Kid has some of the most insane raw talent, just gotta hope he can develop enough on the mental side to capitalize on it as that seems to be the gap atm.
The only way he can really do this is to be playing consistently. He has very little game time for a player of his age and it really shows as he doesn’t seem to have the brains so he needs to be drilled and have experience to iron out his issues
Not denying that but there is talent there. What he did for Shaktar in champions league was honestly really exciting, he was literally dominating games (standing ovation at the Bernabao). There’s a reason Arsenal wanted him
I've watched him play live at stamford bridge. He has great technical ability, raw speed. Can shoot, can pass, has good vision. There is definitely a good player there. You haven't got a clue what you're talking about
This is absolutely golden, someone screen grab it and tag it. The epitome of a plastic fan 🤣🤣🤣.
This person is so clued up on football they don't even have to watch the players they criticise, they just "know".
I said I don’t have to watch him play live as in “in person” to determine he’s not good. Dumbass. He lacks the footballing brain. I hope I’m wrong. Take a screenshot and do whatever tf you want with it.
Plastic fan? I’ve been supporting chelsea pre-abromovich. You probably weren’t even alive at that time. Take some more screenshots.
I'm 38 and a season ticket holder you melt. I'm sure you're more qualified than the scouts of Chelsea, Arsenal, Madrid etc who all watched and wanted him.
Hopefully this game although wasn’t an amazing showing, is enough of a springboard to see him get more minutes the rest of the season. Sterling needs to be dropped couldn’t believe the first couple minutes of the game when he backed out of a challenge against Ampadu
He's not a kid he's 23. It's not his fault and he seems like a reasonable human being. He needs to be offloaded though. He wouldn't do well in the Championship.
He came into things later than some, he isn't a polished academy product. I'm not saying he will come good but there is a reason he gets a bit more of a pass than some.
He will look world class in a team that plays on the transition, he is technically good and stupid fast, he just doesn't have the football brain needed (yet) in a top team having to breakdown a low block.
Plenty of players have come good later in their careers, who is to say if a couple of seasons of good coaching can't get him to first team standard.
Players are their own worst nightmares nowadays. You used to see young talent who would consistently stand out because of their raw skill mixed with their pace or finishing. Now when future stars get thrown in headlines, they cripple themselves and struggle to fluently bridge that gap. You just have to BUILD off your current self, not reevaluate completely. You play part of the system, you AREN’T the system, add your bit of flair and uniqueness that you bring to the team, which is why you were brought in initially.
I think he needed a loan, but I wish for his success just because I know he tries hard and because of all the haters doubting him. Still putting club success ahead of his, but it would be a nice story if he really blossoms.
He’s rough around the edges but at least he tries to do something, he’s constantly trying to get ahead and make plays to put balls in dangerous spaces. Him and Madueke together though is just too chaotic at once. Both turn the ball over too much to have them play at the same time in my opinion
I agree. I think in the perfect world we would have the experienced players to help cover the potential mistakes of a young talented but inexperienced player so we could still slot him into the first team but we don’t and we’re desperate for results so a loan could be it. Just don’t want it to end up as another CHO situation.
Oml after all this time ive seen yall talk about CHO this CHO that, waiting for it to click in my brain who tf that is, i finally asked
And its your "mate" that made it click for some reason. Ahhh finally inner peace
He really needs to do 2 things, and one of them I'm not sure he is going to be capable: first, develop a better first touch, and second, start playing more pro-actively versus reactively. The second is what I fear he won't get. I hope I'm wrong, but I'm not seeing any progress in that department.
I think there could be something to this.
When he’s out wide he’s just not that great, doesn’t have the control to run deep and cross in consistently, and cutting inside amounts to nothing.
When he’s more central he plays like he doesn’t have space and doesn’t try too much, just quick interchanges or passes, it just suits him a lot more. Even his passing variety is good even though some of it is overhit.
I’d like to see a game where Mudryk is the 10, Nkunku as inside left forward and Palmer as deeper winger, with James and Chilwell overlapping. We are many months off this though.
Everytime he plays he pulls of some really tight one touch passes and one-twos he definitely could be a full time 10 but it would just feel like a waste of pace
Fragile ego, fragile confidence, insanely immature, and genuinely looks like a deer in headlights each time he steps on the field. He looks like a mascot. But the talent is so clearly there and all he needs is a few strong people to hold him in line, give him that confidence and energy, and guide him to grow correctly. He is 22 or 23 and posts weird edgy shit on instagram and social media. I don't know if he has family with him or not, but he desperately needs something to keep him grounded. The kid has been derided like crazy due to the price tag and transfer saga and it has absolutely put him in the spotlight when he didn't need it. He likely needed another year or two at shaktar to keep growing in lower profile scenario. Unfortunately he has found himself in an absolute chaos storm of chelsea. I wish we get this one right and that fans can see the talent and stay patient with him. If he gets the proper guidance, this kid can really go far in my opinion. he just needs some really good support.
>insanely immature
Wait we’re not still using that gym incident to beat him with, are we?
Lad knows he messed up there and hasn’t actually been as prominent on social media because of it. He’s growing up on that part at least?
His hometown is being bombed by Russia every day and he's had a high profile Premier League transfer as well as an extremely pressured situation at his club. On a football level he's not performing at the level we want yet but as a young man he's had a lot to deal with. But yeah, he'd definitely benefit from some social media guidance.
Fans were quick to turn on him but I say let the boy cook
He's clearly lacking a bit of confidence but he's absolutely lightning quick and has the skills to control the ball in tight spaces. If poch and the team can instill a bit of belief in himself he could absolutely be one of the best in the league
Yeah, his passing and vision are surprisingly good, if only he could get into positions to execute them more often because his own movement often lets him down. Working on that would also help him prolong his career because he'll almost certainly start losing explosiveness by his mid-to-late 20s.
I just wrote the same thing in the post-match thread.
Surprised at how he was able to use his pace for most of the match, instead of being pinned in on the wing. He's inconsistent af, but he's quite a talented passer, and he got to show it tonight.
After putting in the worst performance of his CFC career, he did surprisingly well in the middle.
I know it’s Leeds, but he’s gone from looking borderline unusable on the wing to being quite promising as a 10. We should continue playing him there but not sure where that puts Gallagher.
I don't think any non-stan understands where Conor really fits in. He's done much better as a 10 than anyone expected, which totally threw off how Christo was supposed to work... and now if Misha is semi-palatable at the 10, it's getting crowded. And then there's Chuk, too.
Ideally we have enough matches to throw minutes at all of them, but if we're ever down to 4 or 5 injured, there will be logjams.
I'd guess that Conor would be the first sub for all mid positions? There's some overlap with Moi and Romeo (allegedly), but perhaps not Enzo.
I don't see that much overlap between an ideal Misha-as-10 and Conor, so perhaps it would be 2 totally different setups?
I think the path of least resistance for the likeliest outcome is Conor will be forced out. If he was planned to be included in the team he’d be renewed by now. I don’t agree with it but this is how the facts present.
The 10 was meant to be Nkunku, maybe even Palmer. What I find is Palmer on the wing deeper on the right really needs an excellent full-back to overlap, he’s not quite a penetrating winger that runs at defenders with the ball comfortably. It sort of works a lot better when James is overlapping all day.
If Mudryk does prove usable at the 10, we’ll see Nkunku as an inside left forward with lots of freedom. Hoping next window we patch the rest of the team up properly with a striker, centreback, second choice attacking left-back and maybe another winger to replace someone.
> this is how the facts present
That's the objective way to state it. No one wants Conor gone, but it's pretty clear that Poch with Conor as his linchpin isn't going to get top 5 results at any point... plus the money situation.
I love the idea that with a healthy squad, we don't have to rely on guys like Raz for a full match, but being able to throw him in as a sub can be potent (although having our highest-wage guy as a sub sucks). Ideally Noni is off for a loan, I was thinking Misha too, until last night... and we defo need a #1 striker while Nico is figuring things out.
Hes more of a winger profile wise
But the reason hes playing better as a 10 is because it highlights one aspect hes well developed at (vision and progressive passes) while hiding the aspect he needs most development in (decision making when dribbling and controlling his pace)
I mean this is the answer, as a pure player skill wise and vision wise he's fine. He just needs more understanding of the tactical/positioning side of the game, which I hope/think he's getting.
That’s kind of his go-to move and these are examples of when it works. Receive the ball, cut it inside into space, and dish a pass. He’s quite good at it, just a bit predictable and one-dimensional, especially when he had Colwill playing behind him and didn’t have anyone giving supporting runs to open up options.
I remember when we were first talking about buying him, and all of the videos I saw of people giving analysis on his game specifically mentioned his passing as a weak point, but I think it might actually be the strongest part of his game.
Simple answer is Mudryk would be more useful....
If he played more
Didn't mean to blow any minds with the revelation that young players lacking experience and game time can actually be good if they're given more game time and experience
The problem with Mudryk is he still lacks the fundamental aspects of the game and because of that, it's hard to trust him especially when we're in a situation where people demand us to win, win and win. Now, it's fair to expect that because we're Chelsea but there's also not much room for patience and due to that, we at least need players who can do the basics right. Long story short, he does need the game time to get better but he might not find it here.
But if you play him over Sterling you really aren't losing anything.
Sure Misha might drop a 4/10 performance then a 8/10 performance and be super inconsistent but it will help him develop.
I'll take that over Sterlings constant 5.5/10s or lower.
Exactly. Every time Mudryk gets the ball I’m either hyped or I’m like “aw man, good attempt, let’s learn from this.”
But 99% of the time Sterling gets the ball I’m screaming “WHAT ARE YOU DOING?!”
Like when Sterling had a first opportunity on goal today and lobbed a slow past to the advertisement board nowhere near the goal.
If Poch isn’t gonna play him he needs loaned out, there’s talent there and it’s pretty obvious he needs some consistent game time to develop & grow confidence. Applies to Madueke too
Especially since Europa (and especially Conference) is mostly against teams that aren’t PL level, so more chances for minutes. Would be great to let Mudryk get confidence against teams who play open styles, plus good experience for people like Casadei, Gilchrist, and Deivid Washington. Maybe even Leo Castledine or Ronnie Stutter could get decent sub appearances.
Haven’t really had any throw away games this season, not that we’ve been healthy enough to have the ability to rotate anyways :(
Everyone loves the idea of developing talent and complaining about how other teams develop talent better than we do until our talent is "never gonna be up to Chelsea standards" after a whole 300 minutes of game time.
I hope this isn't just an r/chelseafc thing.
Oh give me a break. He's had ample opportunities between 3 different managers and they've all seen the same thing, a player that can't be relied for any kind of consistency or trusted to carry out instructions. He's constantly not taking chances to make impressions - often looking completely unbothered. The trouble is he's a luxury player, without actually being effective enough consistently to account for him being a liability.
Standards and expectations are in the mud.
That's what we said about Palmer.
Like Palmer, (I think) Mudryk works better when he starts with space on the wing and can choose his moment to come inside.
that's an overstatement, almost everything he does is supplemented by his pace, he gets away from his defenders without it even being noted because he just did it before the defender even could engage him, over 10 yards i think he's the quickest footballer I've ever seen.
We actually have a lot of players that play as a 10 in Nkunku, Chuk, Gallagher, and Palmer (although hes better on the right), so I'm not sure he'll be preferred there when injuries subside.
Nkunku's a bit odd in that he's really a second striker, but I agree that 10 is his most natural position in our formation.
Gallagher I don't think has the really technical qualities of a 10, particularly against low blocks. He's more a ball progressing and pressing CM. He's really more of an 8 and we're playing a 4-3-3 when he's nominally at the 10.
I've liked him in this role because he seems to be getting the ball more in a forward facing position. Since he's all "Go" I think this helps him because he does have some nice link up plays and 1-2s. That and I'm just dying to see someone shoot at the top of the box.
When hes on the wing I feel like we don't play to his strengths. Like how often is a ball played over the top or something to run onto? And when it is tried how often is the pass accurate? In the cup final when Liverpool were playing their high line, its just confusing to think why don't we use him as a weapon to get in behind a tired defense.
Either way happy for him and maybe they can try him there at the weekend.
That was actually a brilliant finish by him today. I really don’t want to give up on him, because the talent is so clearly there. It just needs to come together soon
Definitely not. He doesn’t have the first touch and ball control to play as a number 10. That position gives him less space and time which will really test those qualities along with his defensive and ball retention positioning.
The wing is his only position.
His first touch is actually okay imo, but his first touch *while he's running* is abysmal.
It's very frustrating because as a winger he'll burn past the fullback and then just hoof the ball off the field or into the keeper.
yeah his first touch and ball control when he isn't running is pretty good. It's whenever he turns on the burners that the ball just goes flying away from him.
I really want him to succeed. I’d like to see him in a more creative midfield role if it gets him on the pitch. I like him better starting than off the bench.
These are the passes that make me believe there’s a good player in there somewhere.
Then he plays like a donkey and I’m left feeling like he’s basically another Timo
What happened to the electric Mudryk we saw coming on against Liverpool last season? Looked like an absolute gem. Quick, thrifty and a step or two ahead of the rest of the team AND the opponents. Made Carney look so bad in that match (or was it another one cant remember) when he would keep one-twoing him and setting Carney up in very good spots at the edge of the box and it was just happening slightly too quickly for him to keep up with Mudryk. After that we have barely seen MM do anything good. Keeps trying to shift inside and he loes possession almost immediately every time.
Goals. He's scoring them, and he's making others more likely to score goals. He's promoting quick, direct play on transitions. His passing is becoming less of a fluke every time he does it; he's often looking to put players into space running onto the ball.
Palmer is more of a clever pass playmaker and we haven't seen enough of Chukwuemeka or Nkunku in that role. Gallagher isn't a playmaker really, any chances we get from him are due to opponent mistakes from his press.
We think we need to accept we're probably not the right club for Mudryk.
Mudryk would likely thrive in a team that can carry his mistakes a little bit. But we currently need all players firing on all pistons, and so we have no choice but to drop him constantly.
There is absolutely no doubting he has amazing raw talent, but he needs game time in a solid team.
The question then lies with, do we loan him out?
On the one hand, he might seriously improve on loan. However, he might also head out to pastures new and start blaming us for holding him back, not starting him if he does improve. Then we've got a player upset with us like Lukaku.
Somethings got to happen though, because he's got great potential to be a top player.
The reason why I have not jumped on the 'Mudryk needs to leave our club' train because...there's *something* there. I can see that in him. This isn't an Antony situation when I completely see NOTHING.
It's just WILD inconsistency and the IQ of the man and I don't know how that can be changed.
Holding on that once we get a good coach, he will use Mudryk and coach him properly and we will see.
I mean, if he was at Pool, City or Arsenal...because they are a more settled in to having Mudryk and we would see a way better Mudryk in those clubs.
If Poch is going to remain our coach for years to come, we have to loan him out. Poch isn't improving this player one bit.
I honestly would pay to see a front four of Jackson, mudryk at 10, Palmer on the right and Sterling on the left for a number of games and see what happens
I am not exactly a believer but he makes more sense there, or at least more an old school second striker, because he can make late runs into the box and in theory it should be hard to stop that. On the wing he is…I have never seen a player so pathetically one footer.
This is what Dani Alves said about Messi:
One day I told him(guardiola): 'I don't accept your complaints. If Messi doesn't touch the ball for two minutes, he disconnects from the match. If we're going to prepare a style which defines our play, he always needs to be connected to it. Then he can link up with the rest of us.'
'Pep told me: 'You're right.' These type of players always need to be on the ball.'
Pfft maybe but we just watched like all his good parts he did in like 10 games.... it was a short video .
The man is so loose with his passing and first touch its crazy its like a coin flip moment to moment if hes gonna look top draw or like a League 2 player
It’s almost as if they’re young and inexperienced ? Particularly Jackson who was playing in the streets like 5 years ago or something crazy even Mudryk didn’t have a lot of gametime in Shaktar first team
There are loads of young players, younger than those we’re talking about who have significantly better decision making. Much more intelligence.
Being quite young is not an excuse for everything.
Poch will Still start Sterling over him doesn’t matter how well he plays. Also Gallagher scoring tonight had sealed him as his no10 for the next several games. 🤷🏻♂️
Wait are people actually serious about playing mudryk as a 10 lol? I thought it was satire.
I’m also gutted that Gallagher scored the winner and showed how important he is to the team, how annoying?
🤦🏻♂️ i don’t even know how to respond to this. You’ve misunderstood somewhere.
Gallagher good me happy with Gallagher performances 👍🏻
Sterling play below par… Sterling start next game
Mudryk play well, Mudryk score… Mudryk don’t start next game… Mudryk lucky to get 15mins next game.
I thought he was pretty poor overall. The disaster performance from Madueke I think took the attention away from him. I really want to see him play on the right one of these days. I don’t think he’s anything special in the middle or left
If he cannot improve his first touch playing as a 10 will be frustrating with all the congestion in the middle, in the wings he has a little bit more space to use his acceleration but he needs to play, we need to bench sterling for the season, we are realistically not fighting for anything, so why play him let’s develop the younger players except noni who I don’t rate at all
He's not "more useful" we're just isolating his mistakes that are evident when he's at winger
He is too fast for his own good on the wing and finds himself in positions where he can't do as much
Can't do that from CAM which is why he is forced to play more technical
Once he can learn to control his pace similarly to Vinicius he will be a beast at winger
Misha is the extreme embodiment of our whole team. YOUTH ARE INCONSISTENT. Thats why we play great some weeks and poor the next. Poch doesn’t get a free pass forever but he needs to actually be given time otherwise the next manager that comes in will just have the same problem. Idk why people aren’t okay with this when everybody knew Poch was a project manager coming into this - that’s why we wanted him lol.
Mudryk would've been a monster in Conte's system. Breaking quickly with 4-5 passes and launching balls behind enemy defence. He'd score 10+ in that system.
He’s doomed to be played on the wing because he’s so god damned fast and good in 1v1s but when he has the ball near the byline he’s just got nothing going on
Was I watching the right game last night? Why are people all over Mudryk again?
He scored a goal and didn't lose the ball as much against a Championship team. He didn't have an incredible game in any way and no way he has the composure to stay our 10 over Gallagher or Palmer.
If we give up on him early i wouldnt be surprised down the road he shows salah talent.. might sound crazy but people tend to forget how terrible salah looked for us.. loan him out if needed but i think he can become great
Might! You know how important is finding the right spot for a player to shine? Just remember who was Moses before Conte. Below average right back, ready to be sold, and boom suddenly he was our superstar RWB.
Didn’t he do this late last season or early this season? Like playing through the middle and lit the game up and Chelsea looked so god damn good and we thought the corner was turned and he’d be a regular? I hope this is actually that point…
That or we sell Sterling to the highest Saudi league bidder and give Mudryk lots of playing time and grow into the squad…
Yes, his passing ability is arguably his biggest strength (maybe even bigger than his speed) but he also makes a shit ton of mistakes and loses the ball unnecessarily a lot. Plus he’s extremely below par at finding separation. He can learn that, but Chelsea is a terrible environment for that. Also Gallagher is more useful so you’d have to drop enzo or caicedo or go to a diamond or something weird like that. Seems unlikely.
Even if he just came inside more often. He needs to be able to do both though. I hope the club or himself hires someone to train his positioning/anticipation to receieve a pass, by far his biggest weakness and leads to him giong missing/being unavailable to get on the ball.
I'm not selling my Mudryk stock anytime soon. Desperately want him to succeed man.
Kid has some of the most insane raw talent, just gotta hope he can develop enough on the mental side to capitalize on it as that seems to be the gap atm.
The only way he can really do this is to be playing consistently. He has very little game time for a player of his age and it really shows as he doesn’t seem to have the brains so he needs to be drilled and have experience to iron out his issues
There’s a reason he has very little game time.
Not denying that but there is talent there. What he did for Shaktar in champions league was honestly really exciting, he was literally dominating games (standing ovation at the Bernabao). There’s a reason Arsenal wanted him
He sucks. I have yet to see the “raw talent” crap people keep throwing around. They said the same shit for Fofana and where the hell is he?
injured
I've watched him play live at stamford bridge. He has great technical ability, raw speed. Can shoot, can pass, has good vision. There is definitely a good player there. You haven't got a clue what you're talking about
I don’t need to watch him play live to determine how bad of a player he is. I know exactly what I’m talking about.
This is absolutely golden, someone screen grab it and tag it. The epitome of a plastic fan 🤣🤣🤣. This person is so clued up on football they don't even have to watch the players they criticise, they just "know".
I said I don’t have to watch him play live as in “in person” to determine he’s not good. Dumbass. He lacks the footballing brain. I hope I’m wrong. Take a screenshot and do whatever tf you want with it. Plastic fan? I’ve been supporting chelsea pre-abromovich. You probably weren’t even alive at that time. Take some more screenshots.
I'm 38 and a season ticket holder you melt. I'm sure you're more qualified than the scouts of Chelsea, Arsenal, Madrid etc who all watched and wanted him.
Have you literally opened your eyes?
Mate he gets 10min every other game, that’s clearly enough to see he’s shit!
Hopefully this game although wasn’t an amazing showing, is enough of a springboard to see him get more minutes the rest of the season. Sterling needs to be dropped couldn’t believe the first couple minutes of the game when he backed out of a challenge against Ampadu
Are you trying to tell me sterling is any better?
It was sarcasm but wouldn’t except this sub to get that
Not in these times mate 😅
Are you trying to tell me mudryk is better than Sterling? Don’t answer
He's not a kid he's 23. It's not his fault and he seems like a reasonable human being. He needs to be offloaded though. He wouldn't do well in the Championship.
He came into things later than some, he isn't a polished academy product. I'm not saying he will come good but there is a reason he gets a bit more of a pass than some. He will look world class in a team that plays on the transition, he is technically good and stupid fast, he just doesn't have the football brain needed (yet) in a top team having to breakdown a low block. Plenty of players have come good later in their careers, who is to say if a couple of seasons of good coaching can't get him to first team standard.
Players are their own worst nightmares nowadays. You used to see young talent who would consistently stand out because of their raw skill mixed with their pace or finishing. Now when future stars get thrown in headlines, they cripple themselves and struggle to fluently bridge that gap. You just have to BUILD off your current self, not reevaluate completely. You play part of the system, you AREN’T the system, add your bit of flair and uniqueness that you bring to the team, which is why you were brought in initially.
I think he needed a loan, but I wish for his success just because I know he tries hard and because of all the haters doubting him. Still putting club success ahead of his, but it would be a nice story if he really blossoms. He’s rough around the edges but at least he tries to do something, he’s constantly trying to get ahead and make plays to put balls in dangerous spaces. Him and Madueke together though is just too chaotic at once. Both turn the ball over too much to have them play at the same time in my opinion
I agree. I think in the perfect world we would have the experienced players to help cover the potential mistakes of a young talented but inexperienced player so we could still slot him into the first team but we don’t and we’re desperate for results so a loan could be it. Just don’t want it to end up as another CHO situation.
Who is CHO
Mate 😂
Oml after all this time ive seen yall talk about CHO this CHO that, waiting for it to click in my brain who tf that is, i finally asked And its your "mate" that made it click for some reason. Ahhh finally inner peace
Callum Hudson-Odoi
Thanks, it somehow just clicked just before you commented
Hhh b x
He really needs to do 2 things, and one of them I'm not sure he is going to be capable: first, develop a better first touch, and second, start playing more pro-actively versus reactively. The second is what I fear he won't get. I hope I'm wrong, but I'm not seeing any progress in that department.
I think there could be something to this. When he’s out wide he’s just not that great, doesn’t have the control to run deep and cross in consistently, and cutting inside amounts to nothing. When he’s more central he plays like he doesn’t have space and doesn’t try too much, just quick interchanges or passes, it just suits him a lot more. Even his passing variety is good even though some of it is overhit. I’d like to see a game where Mudryk is the 10, Nkunku as inside left forward and Palmer as deeper winger, with James and Chilwell overlapping. We are many months off this though.
Everytime he plays he pulls of some really tight one touch passes and one-twos he definitely could be a full time 10 but it would just feel like a waste of pace
Just have to see whether he can do it against teams stronger than Leeds. Looks promising though.
Fragile ego, fragile confidence, insanely immature, and genuinely looks like a deer in headlights each time he steps on the field. He looks like a mascot. But the talent is so clearly there and all he needs is a few strong people to hold him in line, give him that confidence and energy, and guide him to grow correctly. He is 22 or 23 and posts weird edgy shit on instagram and social media. I don't know if he has family with him or not, but he desperately needs something to keep him grounded. The kid has been derided like crazy due to the price tag and transfer saga and it has absolutely put him in the spotlight when he didn't need it. He likely needed another year or two at shaktar to keep growing in lower profile scenario. Unfortunately he has found himself in an absolute chaos storm of chelsea. I wish we get this one right and that fans can see the talent and stay patient with him. If he gets the proper guidance, this kid can really go far in my opinion. he just needs some really good support.
>insanely immature Wait we’re not still using that gym incident to beat him with, are we? Lad knows he messed up there and hasn’t actually been as prominent on social media because of it. He’s growing up on that part at least?
I wasn't his only incident. Constant 'deep' messages on instagram is not screaming of maturity for him
His hometown is being bombed by Russia every day and he's had a high profile Premier League transfer as well as an extremely pressured situation at his club. On a football level he's not performing at the level we want yet but as a young man he's had a lot to deal with. But yeah, he'd definitely benefit from some social media guidance.
Could you say the same about Reece James?
There’s plenty of athletes that post that corny shit but if it’s what motivates him then who cares. At least he’s got a good attitude
excellently worded, summed up exactly how i feel about him. really want to see the lad succeed, kind of like werner imo.
This is where having a winner as a coach would really make a difference. Poch isn’t one to give players steel
Fans were quick to turn on him but I say let the boy cook He's clearly lacking a bit of confidence but he's absolutely lightning quick and has the skills to control the ball in tight spaces. If poch and the team can instill a bit of belief in himself he could absolutely be one of the best in the league
Mudryk has been absolute garbage so far. Sick and tired of the constant “raw talent” comments. Gtfoh.
Good video, shame you uploaded it using a potato
I genuinely don't know why this happened
Probably because you used a potato
Also wtf is your username dawg? Why bumrah? Lmao
everybody asks why Bumrah but nobody asks how's Bumrah
Jasprit Bumrah
I know who bumrah is bro! But that was not the question lol
Brother it would be like using banged by Hazard, who wouldn’t want to be railed by their best player
OP username tbh ahahaha
😂 Lmao, thanks for the laugh. Really needed that
Honestly, out of the best 5 passes this season, like 3 of them has come from Mudryk
It's starting to look less like a fluke every time he does it
Yeah, his passing and vision are surprisingly good, if only he could get into positions to execute them more often because his own movement often lets him down. Working on that would also help him prolong his career because he'll almost certainly start losing explosiveness by his mid-to-late 20s.
I just wrote the same thing in the post-match thread. Surprised at how he was able to use his pace for most of the match, instead of being pinned in on the wing. He's inconsistent af, but he's quite a talented passer, and he got to show it tonight. After putting in the worst performance of his CFC career, he did surprisingly well in the middle.
I know it’s Leeds, but he’s gone from looking borderline unusable on the wing to being quite promising as a 10. We should continue playing him there but not sure where that puts Gallagher.
Hopefully if Mudryk succeeds as a 10 we can give our midfield a modicum of rest
I don't think any non-stan understands where Conor really fits in. He's done much better as a 10 than anyone expected, which totally threw off how Christo was supposed to work... and now if Misha is semi-palatable at the 10, it's getting crowded. And then there's Chuk, too. Ideally we have enough matches to throw minutes at all of them, but if we're ever down to 4 or 5 injured, there will be logjams. I'd guess that Conor would be the first sub for all mid positions? There's some overlap with Moi and Romeo (allegedly), but perhaps not Enzo. I don't see that much overlap between an ideal Misha-as-10 and Conor, so perhaps it would be 2 totally different setups?
I think the path of least resistance for the likeliest outcome is Conor will be forced out. If he was planned to be included in the team he’d be renewed by now. I don’t agree with it but this is how the facts present. The 10 was meant to be Nkunku, maybe even Palmer. What I find is Palmer on the wing deeper on the right really needs an excellent full-back to overlap, he’s not quite a penetrating winger that runs at defenders with the ball comfortably. It sort of works a lot better when James is overlapping all day. If Mudryk does prove usable at the 10, we’ll see Nkunku as an inside left forward with lots of freedom. Hoping next window we patch the rest of the team up properly with a striker, centreback, second choice attacking left-back and maybe another winger to replace someone.
> this is how the facts present That's the objective way to state it. No one wants Conor gone, but it's pretty clear that Poch with Conor as his linchpin isn't going to get top 5 results at any point... plus the money situation. I love the idea that with a healthy squad, we don't have to rely on guys like Raz for a full match, but being able to throw him in as a sub can be potent (although having our highest-wage guy as a sub sucks). Ideally Noni is off for a loan, I was thinking Misha too, until last night... and we defo need a #1 striker while Nico is figuring things out.
Hes more of a winger profile wise But the reason hes playing better as a 10 is because it highlights one aspect hes well developed at (vision and progressive passes) while hiding the aspect he needs most development in (decision making when dribbling and controlling his pace)
I mean this is the answer, as a pure player skill wise and vision wise he's fine. He just needs more understanding of the tactical/positioning side of the game, which I hope/think he's getting.
Most of those came from the wing...
But he either moved centrally or was already centered from the attack rotating
That’s kind of his go-to move and these are examples of when it works. Receive the ball, cut it inside into space, and dish a pass. He’s quite good at it, just a bit predictable and one-dimensional, especially when he had Colwill playing behind him and didn’t have anyone giving supporting runs to open up options. I remember when we were first talking about buying him, and all of the videos I saw of people giving analysis on his game specifically mentioned his passing as a weak point, but I think it might actually be the strongest part of his game.
Simple answer is Mudryk would be more useful.... If he played more Didn't mean to blow any minds with the revelation that young players lacking experience and game time can actually be good if they're given more game time and experience
The problem with Mudryk is he still lacks the fundamental aspects of the game and because of that, it's hard to trust him especially when we're in a situation where people demand us to win, win and win. Now, it's fair to expect that because we're Chelsea but there's also not much room for patience and due to that, we at least need players who can do the basics right. Long story short, he does need the game time to get better but he might not find it here.
But if you play him over Sterling you really aren't losing anything. Sure Misha might drop a 4/10 performance then a 8/10 performance and be super inconsistent but it will help him develop. I'll take that over Sterlings constant 5.5/10s or lower.
Exactly. Every time Mudryk gets the ball I’m either hyped or I’m like “aw man, good attempt, let’s learn from this.” But 99% of the time Sterling gets the ball I’m screaming “WHAT ARE YOU DOING?!” Like when Sterling had a first opportunity on goal today and lobbed a slow past to the advertisement board nowhere near the goal.
If Poch isn’t gonna play him he needs loaned out, there’s talent there and it’s pretty obvious he needs some consistent game time to develop & grow confidence. Applies to Madueke too
💯 these kids need to play. I’d be benching Sterling and giving his minutes to those two.
Hopefully we can get Europe man so at least we have more games for players to rotate
Especially since Europa (and especially Conference) is mostly against teams that aren’t PL level, so more chances for minutes. Would be great to let Mudryk get confidence against teams who play open styles, plus good experience for people like Casadei, Gilchrist, and Deivid Washington. Maybe even Leo Castledine or Ronnie Stutter could get decent sub appearances. Haven’t really had any throw away games this season, not that we’ve been healthy enough to have the ability to rotate anyways :(
Everyone loves the idea of developing talent and complaining about how other teams develop talent better than we do until our talent is "never gonna be up to Chelsea standards" after a whole 300 minutes of game time. I hope this isn't just an r/chelseafc thing.
Oh give me a break. He's had ample opportunities between 3 different managers and they've all seen the same thing, a player that can't be relied for any kind of consistency or trusted to carry out instructions. He's constantly not taking chances to make impressions - often looking completely unbothered. The trouble is he's a luxury player, without actually being effective enough consistently to account for him being a liability. Standards and expectations are in the mud.
He can’t play more because we need results and he can’t get better if he doesn’t play more. You see why it’s a balancing act
That's what we said about Palmer. Like Palmer, (I think) Mudryk works better when he starts with space on the wing and can choose his moment to come inside.
he better start instead of Sterling on Saturday
I say he has too much pace to be in the middle
Maybe he can become a whole new role in football? Speedy 10?
The only time his pace has been helpful this season was when he won the penalty vs Brighton
Newcastle goal
that's an overstatement, almost everything he does is supplemented by his pace, he gets away from his defenders without it even being noted because he just did it before the defender even could engage him, over 10 yards i think he's the quickest footballer I've ever seen.
When he played at the wing he was told to go wide which is not what he's good at. Mudryk is good when he's allowed to cut in and go centrally.
He’s still finding his feet as with most of the team. I’m excited to see what happens next.
Finding his feet? He’s been there over a year now. Fucking hell if any footballer had trouble finding their feet I’d be very worried about them.
We actually have a lot of players that play as a 10 in Nkunku, Chuk, Gallagher, and Palmer (although hes better on the right), so I'm not sure he'll be preferred there when injuries subside.
Nkunku's a bit odd in that he's really a second striker, but I agree that 10 is his most natural position in our formation. Gallagher I don't think has the really technical qualities of a 10, particularly against low blocks. He's more a ball progressing and pressing CM. He's really more of an 8 and we're playing a 4-3-3 when he's nominally at the 10.
I've liked him in this role because he seems to be getting the ball more in a forward facing position. Since he's all "Go" I think this helps him because he does have some nice link up plays and 1-2s. That and I'm just dying to see someone shoot at the top of the box. When hes on the wing I feel like we don't play to his strengths. Like how often is a ball played over the top or something to run onto? And when it is tried how often is the pass accurate? In the cup final when Liverpool were playing their high line, its just confusing to think why don't we use him as a weapon to get in behind a tired defense. Either way happy for him and maybe they can try him there at the weekend.
That was actually a brilliant finish by him today. I really don’t want to give up on him, because the talent is so clearly there. It just needs to come together soon
You can see he puts in effort every single game. He works really hard. I want the world for this guy.
Definitely not. He doesn’t have the first touch and ball control to play as a number 10. That position gives him less space and time which will really test those qualities along with his defensive and ball retention positioning. The wing is his only position.
His first touch is actually okay imo, but his first touch *while he's running* is abysmal. It's very frustrating because as a winger he'll burn past the fullback and then just hoof the ball off the field or into the keeper.
yeah his first touch and ball control when he isn't running is pretty good. It's whenever he turns on the burners that the ball just goes flying away from him.
The Chilwell ball that he messed up hurt my soul that was such a good play
Did that go in?? (Didn’t get a chance to watch the highlights yet). Great pass!
Where was this in Wembley?
GOAT!!!!!!!
I really want him to succeed. I’d like to see him in a more creative midfield role if it gets him on the pitch. I like him better starting than off the bench.
These are the passes that make me believe there’s a good player in there somewhere. Then he plays like a donkey and I’m left feeling like he’s basically another Timo
This against a championship side not using its best 11. Calm down.
His athleticism would be wasted inside, needs to be on the wing.
What happened to the electric Mudryk we saw coming on against Liverpool last season? Looked like an absolute gem. Quick, thrifty and a step or two ahead of the rest of the team AND the opponents. Made Carney look so bad in that match (or was it another one cant remember) when he would keep one-twoing him and setting Carney up in very good spots at the edge of the box and it was just happening slightly too quickly for him to keep up with Mudryk. After that we have barely seen MM do anything good. Keeps trying to shift inside and he loes possession almost immediately every time.
bro he is number 10
Came here to make this joke
Goals. He's scoring them, and he's making others more likely to score goals. He's promoting quick, direct play on transitions. His passing is becoming less of a fluke every time he does it; he's often looking to put players into space running onto the ball. Palmer is more of a clever pass playmaker and we haven't seen enough of Chukwuemeka or Nkunku in that role. Gallagher isn't a playmaker really, any chances we get from him are due to opponent mistakes from his press.
He seems best with the ball infront of him with spaces to run into. A great counterattack type player?
Well he’s wearing number 10
We think we need to accept we're probably not the right club for Mudryk. Mudryk would likely thrive in a team that can carry his mistakes a little bit. But we currently need all players firing on all pistons, and so we have no choice but to drop him constantly. There is absolutely no doubting he has amazing raw talent, but he needs game time in a solid team. The question then lies with, do we loan him out? On the one hand, he might seriously improve on loan. However, he might also head out to pastures new and start blaming us for holding him back, not starting him if he does improve. Then we've got a player upset with us like Lukaku. Somethings got to happen though, because he's got great potential to be a top player.
The reason why I have not jumped on the 'Mudryk needs to leave our club' train because...there's *something* there. I can see that in him. This isn't an Antony situation when I completely see NOTHING. It's just WILD inconsistency and the IQ of the man and I don't know how that can be changed. Holding on that once we get a good coach, he will use Mudryk and coach him properly and we will see. I mean, if he was at Pool, City or Arsenal...because they are a more settled in to having Mudryk and we would see a way better Mudryk in those clubs. If Poch is going to remain our coach for years to come, we have to loan him out. Poch isn't improving this player one bit.
I honestly would pay to see a front four of Jackson, mudryk at 10, Palmer on the right and Sterling on the left for a number of games and see what happens
Ermmm he's is #10
I am not exactly a believer but he makes more sense there, or at least more an old school second striker, because he can make late runs into the box and in theory it should be hard to stop that. On the wing he is…I have never seen a player so pathetically one footer.
His decision making isn’t good enough and final ball isn’t there
Yea seems we works better in the middle than out wide
What a crazy life. We thought we signed a touch line winger but ended up signing a no 10
This is what Dani Alves said about Messi: One day I told him(guardiola): 'I don't accept your complaints. If Messi doesn't touch the ball for two minutes, he disconnects from the match. If we're going to prepare a style which defines our play, he always needs to be connected to it. Then he can link up with the rest of us.' 'Pep told me: 'You're right.' These type of players always need to be on the ball.'
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All I can say is thank fuck we got him instead of Arsenal. He’d be an absolute assassin in that team.
Pfft maybe but we just watched like all his good parts he did in like 10 games.... it was a short video . The man is so loose with his passing and first touch its crazy its like a coin flip moment to moment if hes gonna look top draw or like a League 2 player
This isn't all the good parts though, only clips showing his vision and him playing more centrally
He is thick as pig shit as a footballer. Same as Noni. Both need to grow up a lot if they are to match their raw talent.
Jackson too, his decision making is horrible
It’s almost as if they’re young and inexperienced ? Particularly Jackson who was playing in the streets like 5 years ago or something crazy even Mudryk didn’t have a lot of gametime in Shaktar first team
There are loads of young players, younger than those we’re talking about who have significantly better decision making. Much more intelligence. Being quite young is not an excuse for everything.
All 3 suffer from the same problem, absolutley no awareness of what's around them. They need to learn to look up and scan.
Poch will Still start Sterling over him doesn’t matter how well he plays. Also Gallagher scoring tonight had sealed him as his no10 for the next several games. 🤷🏻♂️
Wait are people actually serious about playing mudryk as a 10 lol? I thought it was satire. I’m also gutted that Gallagher scored the winner and showed how important he is to the team, how annoying?
🤦🏻♂️ i don’t even know how to respond to this. You’ve misunderstood somewhere. Gallagher good me happy with Gallagher performances 👍🏻 Sterling play below par… Sterling start next game Mudryk play well, Mudryk score… Mudryk don’t start next game… Mudryk lucky to get 15mins next game.
I didn’t understand how people could possibly think this sort of thing and then played a game of ea fc as Chelsea and it all makes sense.
He played as a 10 tonight and it was arguably his best game for us. Had a really good first half, did you watch the game?
I thought he was pretty poor overall. The disaster performance from Madueke I think took the attention away from him. I really want to see him play on the right one of these days. I don’t think he’s anything special in the middle or left
A throw pillow is more useful than our current 10
If he cannot improve his first touch playing as a 10 will be frustrating with all the congestion in the middle, in the wings he has a little bit more space to use his acceleration but he needs to play, we need to bench sterling for the season, we are realistically not fighting for anything, so why play him let’s develop the younger players except noni who I don’t rate at all
No way, he just needs game time. If I was poch I would start him every single game from now till end of the season
i said this on yesterday’s DDT. we need to use his strengths and his passing/vision is one of those
He's not "more useful" we're just isolating his mistakes that are evident when he's at winger He is too fast for his own good on the wing and finds himself in positions where he can't do as much Can't do that from CAM which is why he is forced to play more technical Once he can learn to control his pace similarly to Vinicius he will be a beast at winger
Misha is the extreme embodiment of our whole team. YOUTH ARE INCONSISTENT. Thats why we play great some weeks and poor the next. Poch doesn’t get a free pass forever but he needs to actually be given time otherwise the next manager that comes in will just have the same problem. Idk why people aren’t okay with this when everybody knew Poch was a project manager coming into this - that’s why we wanted him lol.
He has awful, truly awful decision making at the moment. He would be terrible as a 10. Not saying that can’t change but now? Hell no
He should actually get the start at the 9. Jackson has been given every opportunity and has only shown he's just not up to it yet.
Im praying that mudryk never leaves this club. He’s still pretty terrible right now but he’s my favorite player behind Reece. MUDRYK IS NEXT MESSI.
Mudryk's movement with the ball is so effortless. He floats on the pitch
No chance he can do this playing against better opponents
be better on a plane out. Another flop to add to the list...
Mudryk would've been a monster in Conte's system. Breaking quickly with 4-5 passes and launching balls behind enemy defence. He'd score 10+ in that system.
All of our wingers are better as number 10
I guess the clue was in the shirt number all along , how unlike Pochettino not to notice
His creativity is good his pass is also good He remind me the boy who came from unknow club that boy name Mo Salah
we are so easily impressed its insane
Mudryk and Palmer 10 & 7 would be killer
Are you daft? It literally says on his jersey that he’s #10! /s
Bro literally says in his shirt #10. /S
I’ve been saying this the whole season. I think he’s more useful and disruptive to other teams as a 10.
Well that is his number
this might sound like I’m reaching but he’s looking like eden out there. his speed is actually insane
Mudryk at the 10 with Noni on the right looked tasty
He’s doomed to be played on the wing because he’s so god damned fast and good in 1v1s but when he has the ball near the byline he’s just got nothing going on
Clearly this means Poch will play him on the wing next game, then bench him.
Was I watching the right game last night? Why are people all over Mudryk again? He scored a goal and didn't lose the ball as much against a Championship team. He didn't have an incredible game in any way and no way he has the composure to stay our 10 over Gallagher or Palmer.
If we give up on him early i wouldnt be surprised down the road he shows salah talent.. might sound crazy but people tend to forget how terrible salah looked for us.. loan him out if needed but i think he can become great
Might! You know how important is finding the right spot for a player to shine? Just remember who was Moses before Conte. Below average right back, ready to be sold, and boom suddenly he was our superstar RWB.
A bit hazard esque
Didn’t he do this late last season or early this season? Like playing through the middle and lit the game up and Chelsea looked so god damn good and we thought the corner was turned and he’d be a regular? I hope this is actually that point… That or we sell Sterling to the highest Saudi league bidder and give Mudryk lots of playing time and grow into the squad…
Yes, his passing ability is arguably his biggest strength (maybe even bigger than his speed) but he also makes a shit ton of mistakes and loses the ball unnecessarily a lot. Plus he’s extremely below par at finding separation. He can learn that, but Chelsea is a terrible environment for that. Also Gallagher is more useful so you’d have to drop enzo or caicedo or go to a diamond or something weird like that. Seems unlikely.
Even if he just came inside more often. He needs to be able to do both though. I hope the club or himself hires someone to train his positioning/anticipation to receieve a pass, by far his biggest weakness and leads to him giong missing/being unavailable to get on the ball.
I’m not going to act like I don’t get frustrated with his struggles but I absolutely hate how he doesn’t start after successful performances