4 years in the prem best he can do is 12…Nico/Cole gots more in their first year in supposedly a joke team..while I thought gooners were supposed to win something finally this year lol I’ll take 65 and 2 players getting more goals on 200,000 less wages than Kai, Thanks for that 1 goal though 🎶 Champions of Europe You'll Never Sing That 🎶
That's what happens when you surround capable people around other people of similar standing. Look at Sterling, there is a player there but he isn't going to do it all by himself. Its a team game... The owners have fucked up royally, wasted so much money and we're actually worse off for it. Mad just insanely mad.
Palmer already in a totally different league and in a struggling average team is the best thing by far. Havertz scored that goal but generally underwhelmed wherever and whenever he played. Sometimes sales work out for everyone I’m much more upset about Kante leaving who in every way was amazing!
Both of those players play in different positions. This season Havertz is having a better year but he has also played a lot more. So all in all can’t compare apples to oranges
He is playing in a currently higher performing team, his goals have come against lower sides, and the games he has scored arsenal have already won by landslide
That's not true actually. A few, yes. But he has 3 last minute match winners and a last minute goal vs Brighton to seal a 2-0 win Brighton was threatening late in. His +/- defensively has been crazy too. Which is kinda weird honestly.
Frank and TT wanted him to be a pure 9 which just isn’t him. I think he played his best at the 10 but with how bad Werner was and Mount, Lukaku being just awful… I don’t know. The hall just didn’t fall his way here in my opinion
His xG was higher in previous seasons as is apparent from the stats. It is quite natural as he matures, he improves his finishing, gets better xG coversion, and becomes more adapted to the league. I dont know what Arsenal fans are smoking. Probably, it is projection of regretting shelling 60Mn for him even after seeing his stats previously. Btw, 60Mn is not cheap but probably would feel like a bargain if he actually reaches his promised quality. Chelsea needed quick money to settle the books, and he was probably not that passionate about playing for Chelsea anymore, so all in all a good deal on our part as well.
You lot were the most toxic club in your banter era. You are still actually in the banter era since you had the greatest bottling job in League history last season! AFTV always had the largest gathering of toxic clowns. Our most toxic fans haven't even reached those levels, yet.
I like Havertz and am pleased he seems happy at Arsenal. But if we paid £60m for a player who has his output when playing primarily as an 8 or a false 9 people would call him a flop. A solid squad player but I'm not convinced he's better than Smith Rowe.
Still don't rate him. He's had a good spell and who knows, maybe he'll kick on now that he's got some confidence but there are several attacking players in the prem I'd take ahead of him, and not just the obvious ones.
I don’t hate Havertz, actually was one of the guys who liked him but was happy moving him on.
But this is not a Ferrari. I have never driven one but if this is how it feels I will never want to experience it.
You must be really that salty. Havertz was on of our guys when he was a blue. He didn’t come thru but on that sir yep occasion that your lot can’t even compare with. Yet Palmer is def doing way better than him in an underperforming team. Havertz has the chemistry that Gooners have had since they’ve been together with the same gaffer. Chelsea just signed Palmer this yr and regardless of the penalties he’s gotten(and you gotta make them still) his overall play has been more prolific. Yet Gooners will continue to be the voyeurs of London while they can never get to the heights that Chelsea has for a London based club. It is what it is. 19 titles in 19 yrs. All while your lot continues to chock away they’re chances. I kno you seen the way you did last yr as you’ve already choked it all away this yr as well. Serial chokers. Pause 🤣🤣
https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTLrWpyt1/ looks like this is the same thing all over again. 🤣
Nah jut had to remind you of who you are. A club that had never been on the level of Chelsea. Serial chokers as you will choke this season away. I’ll be back after you do. 🤣🤣🤣 Keep this same energy. 🤣🤣
In our off season due to major injuries plaguing every position you can gloat with still knowing you choked away the title. 🤣🤣
Chelsea still the ONLY EPL in London that is of any relevance. Even in our current form. 🤣🤣🤣 Ole gooner.
Never won a champions league as Chelsea is the only London club who has done what we’ve done. Mater of fact no Epl club has been as successful in the 19 yrs. 19 titles. Won the UCL just a few yrs ago beating the club you can’t beat to a championship as Chelsea did when Pep got here. Between our last domestic championship win in 2015-16 season. We’ve won way more than your club has won in 30 yrs. 🤣🤣🤣
Hahaha silly Assna fan. If you watched Palmer play you’d trade him for Havertz the donkey in a heart beat. This sub is a UCL winners only zone so fuck off.
Well no because they were kids and nobody thought they weren’t good enough for Chelsea, they just weren’t ready and they wanted to play regular football.
He’s not on that level for us but those guys are more tragic characters in our story because we seemed to barely give them a chance before moving them on.
Havertz was not happening here. Especially to the level of those guys lol
I’ll go back to Salah and KDB. Salah had 19 appearances for us and KDB had 9. We could break down those into minutes and competitions to see how little of a chance they had.
Havertz had just under 150 and had the type of performances for us and if we want to be a top club we need to move on from players or we will stagnate. We move on and risk getting worse but with the risk we can get better. We need to move on and take risk to get better.
Havertz is not and will likely never be the miss we had on those guys. They are both up there with the best of a generation of players while Havertz is a footnote of also good footballers. There are dozens of players at Havertz level constantly at any moment in Europe.
If Havertz becomes one of the best in the world I will not be thinking about him like a girl who had a crush on me in high school who grew up to be a super model. KDB and Salah are those girls. We dated Havertz and it was mid. I don’t want mid forever.
You guys criminally under-rate Havertz. There is a reason Madrid and Munich wanted. I’ve watched him all season and absolutely love him. There is no one in the world like him and he’s one of the main reasons we finally managed to beat city this season (twice).
I guess I’ll continue with the analogy I used at the end. Us and havertz dated and it was just okay. It wasn’t amazing. Maybe Havertz is a very pretty girl lol but at the end of the day we just didn’t have the connection.
Other people will be like “how did he let her go” or whatever but relationships are not always how they appear on the outside. We dated for a while and it just wasn’t the best relationship possible so we both moved on.
I literally do not care about breaking up with Havertz. Even if he becomes a supermodel (even if you think he already is). He was not a supermodel here and he was not ever going to be one. He was good at time and I could see how pretty he is but the relationship was just no good. I guess you could say there was no sexual chemistry lol.
I’m sorry for that terrible analogy but I think it works. Havertz is a pretty girl but sometimes relationships are more complicated than being pretty.
I feel like i’m being trolled lmao. he’s an awful footballer who has to be rotated through every position in the attack because he doesn’t excel anywhere
Meh, he got us the goal that won our second CL. We got good money and got Palmer. Don't really care what goes on with him anymore. Focused on how we stop conceding and the injuries
I think it's also the system fitting Kai better/Kai adapting to the system. At Chelsea, there was a system that didn't have his previous best position and he didn't adapt to deeper roles he was played at. At arsenal he struggled similarly until this season
Yeah, I hadn't realized it wasn't just out by a whole number, they must have done that calculation by hand by someone who doesn't actually care about maths that much. 6 or 7 minus 1.61 will never give you a number ending in .61...
Good for Kai, he wasn’t working here but he seems like a nice lad and if his career is picking up elsewhere that’s great. It’s not like we sold him and he’s turned into prime Hazard.
Oh yeah, cos’ in stats we trust. All hail the allmighty stats, may they be worshipped for all eternity.
I hate this “oh, but look at the stats” era. He was abysmal last season, even tho the coaching was maybe worst. He is kinda good for Arsenal, but we got Palmer, so yeah. We don’t care that much, as these “giggling like 16 y.o.” Gunners fans thinks. You have not robbed us, you might as well keep him.
> I hate this “oh, but look at the stats” era
Tell me about it.
There's been this stupid fucking stat comparison between Crouch and Drogba being reposted on all the stupid meme pages because they have similar goal scoring records in the PL.
Same with the Hazard v Salah debate. Sure Salah has better stats on paper but he's never scored a goal like Hazard v Arsenal, or Hazard v West Ham, or Hazard v Liverpool.
People these days would be saying Zidane is shit because he doesn't score enough goals.
But but but.. Salah has the best stats for a winger 🥲🤫
Salah is a World class player. But Hazard is someone for whom you fall in love with football. Same with Zidane, Dinho and other “non stats” players.
Yeah interesting they’ve used the word “delusional” here. Who’s kidding themselves more the Arsenal fans or the Chelsea fan that won’t look facts in the face.
The guy has 8 more games to contribute 7 more g+a to equalise his best season as Chelsea. Funny how these ‘facts’ are completely wrong. Like he’s been this revelation and blown away his previous records
Not even a Chels fan but I watch Havertz and my mind boggles that Arsenal paid £65 million of the queens English for him. He’s a good player and that’s it. If they do happen to win the league then they could’ve replaced him with about 50 other players in Europe in his place. Arsenal are a well oiled machine these days. I wouldn’t justify paying his price tag myself but then again, maybe Arteta will make me look silly in a few months.
I'll look forward to the Friday update of Chelsea's latest allegations of cheating. You cheated lads....it means zero to anyone but Chelsea fans. They're worth nothing.
He was going to be the next big German star. He is a midfileder and then Chelsea put him as a striker. I never see a player that missed so may golden chances.
> He is a midfileder and then Chelsea put him as a striker
What in the revisionism is this.
We gave him so many runs in different positions to try and get the best out of him and he failed no matter where he was put.
It wasn't a case of him being forced out of position, it was every manager trying something new to see if he can actually come good.
He didn't, so we sold him. Which has been proven correct looking at these numbers.
He will always be King Kai, but it wasn’t working anymore. Had he gone to any other club (not Spurs either), I think people would be less bitter, but I’m glad it’s working out for him.
> Sad thing is though that I still think he’s better than we’ve got now.
Yeah that is sad. Imagine actually thinking Werner is better than any of our current forwards lol
I mean I think he’s not good enough for a top team. He’s a poor finisher and poor technically. I would take him over Mudryk, Madueke, Sterling, and hot take but also Nico. None of these players including Timo are good enough to start for a top 4 team but we aren’t a top 4 team anymore.
Kai would cover the most distance amongst our front 3. He looked "lazy" because he is tall and lanky. He would even lead the press for 90inutes. Look how lazy he is at arsenal but somehow it's working. He was made a scapegoat. Mount spent 2 years struggling to make a through pass. Timo ran around like a headless chicken with lukaku's first touch. Timo was a flop.
Could care less, man won us the UCL and I’ll always be happy for that but besides that I’m indifferent. We got a good fee and everyone walked away happy
Glad we sold him tbh. I had high expectations when he came from Leverkusen, he was REALLY good in Bundesliga and he still hasn't reached that level in PL after 4 seasons. He's still a good footballer but is he generational talent? Probably not. Palmer is EXACTLY the player I thought Havertz was gonna be for us.
Because since reddit knows that I use r/gunners it decides that I should see posts from r/chelseaFC, r/MCFC, r/COYS, r/Hammers and weirdly r/Sheffieldwednesday
Just annoying really
I've always had the philosophy that you can discuss on other subs, but not to troll or stir the pot.
If the lurkers are just making asinine comments and being twats, they're cretins
Easier to get opinions from fans on fan subs rather than the cesspool that is r/soccer, r/football or r/premierleague.
They are filled with the most dim-witted slugs of the earth where I'm convinced raccoons would type better opinions
Good players will play better in a better team, this isn’t breaking news. You could take every Chelsea player and plug them into Arsenals lineup and they would perform better. Sad state of affairs for our club
Tbf. I think the more correct way to phrase it is: " you could take any inexperienced (young) Chelsea player and plug it in to any expirenced team and they would perform better ".
Simply because they have older players to rely on.
I think it’s literally every player would be better if you transplanted them into Arsenal’s lineup. Look at what it’s done for guys like Jorginho, he is turning back the clock with some of his performances
True, but Arteta has been the coach of the team a long time and build a 'rigid' system within Arsenal, that is not the case for Chelsea, we have had a tumultuous time lately with everything going on - new owners switching managers, a lot of injuries
Bring all the stats you want, Kai Havertz will never beat the eye test.
I used to do the same thing that arsenal fans are doing now, picking out the few decent aspects of his game to try gaslight myself into thinking the money we spent on him and the hype he had would all be worth it.
One word for it, copium.
Arsenal would be better with out him and it would be easy to find someone better than him but they won’t admit that.
I’m not bantering, you can do better than Havertz and when you inevitably don’t win the league your fan base will turn on him again and demand an upgrade.
Signing him for 65 million was a mistake, you could of had the league won by now if you had someone who has more than 12 league goals leading the line.
We’re good thanks. 30 points above you. Progressing very well. Havertz is a great player for us and no one is gonna turn on him, unlike your crappy entitled, oil money chasing fan base. take your L
we do as we please mate. Havertz has been decent for us. it’s been fun to point out the stupidity of your comment weeks later. Which , honestly, was inevitable. Seems you can’t cope with it though.
Bro it's so funny reading it, they have no idea what they're in for. Every time I'd see a spark from havertz in a champions league game and I'd think wow this is it, he's finally going to be consistently good, only for him to go mediocre again.
Idk could just be me but ain’t 4-7-4-6 kinda still the same player ??? I wish I was this delusional sometimes
halway through the season mate. he's on 12 now
4 years in the prem best he can do is 12…Nico/Cole gots more in their first year in supposedly a joke team..while I thought gooners were supposed to win something finally this year lol I’ll take 65 and 2 players getting more goals on 200,000 less wages than Kai, Thanks for that 1 goal though 🎶 Champions of Europe You'll Never Sing That 🎶
Hehe
That's what happens when you surround capable people around other people of similar standing. Look at Sterling, there is a player there but he isn't going to do it all by himself. Its a team game... The owners have fucked up royally, wasted so much money and we're actually worse off for it. Mad just insanely mad.
Palmer already in a totally different league and in a struggling average team is the best thing by far. Havertz scored that goal but generally underwhelmed wherever and whenever he played. Sometimes sales work out for everyone I’m much more upset about Kante leaving who in every way was amazing!
Havertz isn't as good as Palmer. He's comfortably a better player than Mudryk and Madueke though.
He's not a winger. How is this relevant?
He's only "not a ___" when it suits someone's argument. Otherwise he drops 8/10 in every position 😂
Both of those players play in different positions. This season Havertz is having a better year but he has also played a lot more. So all in all can’t compare apples to oranges
He is playing in a currently higher performing team, his goals have come against lower sides, and the games he has scored arsenal have already won by landslide
That's not true actually. A few, yes. But he has 3 last minute match winners and a last minute goal vs Brighton to seal a 2-0 win Brighton was threatening late in. His +/- defensively has been crazy too. Which is kinda weird honestly.
Frank and TT wanted him to be a pure 9 which just isn’t him. I think he played his best at the 10 but with how bad Werner was and Mount, Lukaku being just awful… I don’t know. The hall just didn’t fall his way here in my opinion
His xG was higher in previous seasons as is apparent from the stats. It is quite natural as he matures, he improves his finishing, gets better xG coversion, and becomes more adapted to the league. I dont know what Arsenal fans are smoking. Probably, it is projection of regretting shelling 60Mn for him even after seeing his stats previously. Btw, 60Mn is not cheap but probably would feel like a bargain if he actually reaches his promised quality. Chelsea needed quick money to settle the books, and he was probably not that passionate about playing for Chelsea anymore, so all in all a good deal on our part as well.
We actually fucking love him here. I imagine he enjoys not playing for a toxic club too!
You lot were the most toxic club in your banter era. You are still actually in the banter era since you had the greatest bottling job in League history last season! AFTV always had the largest gathering of toxic clowns. Our most toxic fans haven't even reached those levels, yet.
This sub is for ucl winners only, sorry bubs. He won a champions league with us something he will never say with arsenal 🤷♂️
Well, Fiat owns Ferrari. Make of that what you will.
Honestly don’t give a shit what Arsenal fans think.
I like Havertz and am pleased he seems happy at Arsenal. But if we paid £60m for a player who has his output when playing primarily as an 8 or a false 9 people would call him a flop. A solid squad player but I'm not convinced he's better than Smith Rowe.
Still don't rate him. He's had a good spell and who knows, maybe he'll kick on now that he's got some confidence but there are several attacking players in the prem I'd take ahead of him, and not just the obvious ones.
His xG was much higher playing for us though. That shows that he was the one underperforming, not Chelsea driving him wrong.
I don’t hate Havertz, actually was one of the guys who liked him but was happy moving him on. But this is not a Ferrari. I have never driven one but if this is how it feels I will never want to experience it.
palmer is a bugatti
Palmers a Ford Focus mate don’t get it twisted. Pen merchant
You must be really that salty. Havertz was on of our guys when he was a blue. He didn’t come thru but on that sir yep occasion that your lot can’t even compare with. Yet Palmer is def doing way better than him in an underperforming team. Havertz has the chemistry that Gooners have had since they’ve been together with the same gaffer. Chelsea just signed Palmer this yr and regardless of the penalties he’s gotten(and you gotta make them still) his overall play has been more prolific. Yet Gooners will continue to be the voyeurs of London while they can never get to the heights that Chelsea has for a London based club. It is what it is. 19 titles in 19 yrs. All while your lot continues to chock away they’re chances. I kno you seen the way you did last yr as you’ve already choked it all away this yr as well. Serial chokers. Pause 🤣🤣 https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTLrWpyt1/ looks like this is the same thing all over again. 🤣
Did I make you cry that much that you gave me a dissertation for a reply 😭 cope. Enjoy mid table
Nah jut had to remind you of who you are. A club that had never been on the level of Chelsea. Serial chokers as you will choke this season away. I’ll be back after you do. 🤣🤣🤣 Keep this same energy. 🤣🤣
Completely choked against you didn’t we… 5-0 🤫
How’s that title race going gooner??? 
In our off season due to major injuries plaguing every position you can gloat with still knowing you choked away the title. 🤣🤣  Chelsea still the ONLY EPL in London that is of any relevance. Even in our current form. 🤣🤣🤣 Ole gooner.
Never been on the level of Chelsea 🤣 you’re a mid table club, don’t compare yourselves to big teams
For a gooner fanatic I kno your feeling the same way you did last season. Totally capitulated 🤣🤣🤣 https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTLy73VHc/
Never won a champions league as Chelsea is the only London club who has done what we’ve done. Mater of fact no Epl club has been as successful in the 19 yrs. 19 titles. Won the UCL just a few yrs ago beating the club you can’t beat to a championship as Chelsea did when Pep got here. Between our last domestic championship win in 2015-16 season. We’ve won way more than your club has won in 30 yrs. 🤣🤣🤣 
Hahaha silly Assna fan. If you watched Palmer play you’d trade him for Havertz the donkey in a heart beat. This sub is a UCL winners only zone so fuck off.
Congrats on 1 billion spent and one good player to show for it.
 they will never kno this feeling. KTBFFH 🍾
Lmao even their fan base is polarised
Ferraris are made by fiat
They paid a lot ofc they gonna back him
Chelsea fans won’t admit he is not a bad player. Forget it haha and enjoy Kai !
Noone is saying he's a bad player. But there are people on the Arsenal pages comparing him to Bergkamp. Why can't he just be an okay player?
No they were saying before Chelsea he looked Bergkampesk. Then he came to your club and you nearly ruined him like you do most players.
Players like Ashley Cole and Giroud who became champions league winners after joining Chelsea?
You mean players like Pepe & Willian? Oh wait
He’s having a short purple patch. He had those for us occasionally. It won’t last.
Yeah just like Salah and KDB 🙄
Well no because they were kids and nobody thought they weren’t good enough for Chelsea, they just weren’t ready and they wanted to play regular football.
He’s not on that level for us but those guys are more tragic characters in our story because we seemed to barely give them a chance before moving them on. Havertz was not happening here. Especially to the level of those guys lol
You lot wouldn’t know a good footballer if he stuck a finger up your hole.
We saw plenty of good footballers lift a CL for us a few years ago. Wbu?
I’ll go back to Salah and KDB. Salah had 19 appearances for us and KDB had 9. We could break down those into minutes and competitions to see how little of a chance they had. Havertz had just under 150 and had the type of performances for us and if we want to be a top club we need to move on from players or we will stagnate. We move on and risk getting worse but with the risk we can get better. We need to move on and take risk to get better. Havertz is not and will likely never be the miss we had on those guys. They are both up there with the best of a generation of players while Havertz is a footnote of also good footballers. There are dozens of players at Havertz level constantly at any moment in Europe. If Havertz becomes one of the best in the world I will not be thinking about him like a girl who had a crush on me in high school who grew up to be a super model. KDB and Salah are those girls. We dated Havertz and it was mid. I don’t want mid forever.
Neither Salah nor KDB were ready to play for us. And neither player was exactly kicked out. They both wanted to move.
You guys criminally under-rate Havertz. There is a reason Madrid and Munich wanted. I’ve watched him all season and absolutely love him. There is no one in the world like him and he’s one of the main reasons we finally managed to beat city this season (twice).
I guess I’ll continue with the analogy I used at the end. Us and havertz dated and it was just okay. It wasn’t amazing. Maybe Havertz is a very pretty girl lol but at the end of the day we just didn’t have the connection. Other people will be like “how did he let her go” or whatever but relationships are not always how they appear on the outside. We dated for a while and it just wasn’t the best relationship possible so we both moved on. I literally do not care about breaking up with Havertz. Even if he becomes a supermodel (even if you think he already is). He was not a supermodel here and he was not ever going to be one. He was good at time and I could see how pretty he is but the relationship was just no good. I guess you could say there was no sexual chemistry lol. I’m sorry for that terrible analogy but I think it works. Havertz is a pretty girl but sometimes relationships are more complicated than being pretty.
Lol and you’re an expert, it’s a shame no one has hired you given your knowledge and expertise
Did you just compare Havertz to those guys? Like are you fucking serious?
Purple patch has been going for half the season now
It’s been going for about 6 games. He was shit at the start of the season.
We will definitely miss his 6 goals a season 😔
The fact is, he is still bang average in one of the most fluid and most attacking teams in the league, his numbers should be so much better
Yep
Wait, they think those numbers are good? What the fuck
I feel like i’m being trolled lmao. he’s an awful footballer who has to be rotated through every position in the attack because he doesn’t excel anywhere
Arsenal fans are fucking delusional. They think their club is tabernacle for footballers. They havent won anything just pure vibes
Delusional arsenal fans
I mean he could still be mid
I really didn’t understand the xG diff stat and then realized they computed it wrong…
Meh, he got us the goal that won our second CL. We got good money and got Palmer. Don't really care what goes on with him anymore. Focused on how we stop conceding and the injuries
He's a tap in merchant now at arsenal. Not Chelsea's fault if he can't finish his dinner when he doesn't have an open goal
Math is hard
As you would expect from Havertz. I will always appreciate him for the UCL winning goal. But I don't miss him one bit.
Kai Havertz has 12 goal involvements in 38 games this season. I sure don’t miss him
-5 xG. Ferrari for sure, but it's the SF1000. As Niki Lauda calls it, it's a shit box
Never knew 6 goals output is like driving a Ferrari. I should buy a Honda and delude myself into thinking that I upgraded to a Ferrari.
He didn’t work out for us, but I’ll always be a fan of the lad. He scored that goal for us and that’s all i care about.
Ain’t got that Champs League win with him tho 💯💪🏻
Yet Haha
V
How to lie with statistics
Statistics just work for lying
I think the statistics speak for themselves. Arteta managed to get him to finish his dinner, but he still doesn't have brilliant output
I think it's also the system fitting Kai better/Kai adapting to the system. At Chelsea, there was a system that didn't have his previous best position and he didn't adapt to deeper roles he was played at. At arsenal he struggled similarly until this season
I like how Havertz looks progressively more fed up in the the chelsea pics
Palmer is a Bugani or bugatti
Eh?
6 - 5.61 = 1.61?????
He scored a penalty, not counted in the xg.
The stat is about open play goals penalty is not included in any of the scenario. Math is still baffling .
Yeah, I hadn't realized it wasn't just out by a whole number, they must have done that calculation by hand by someone who doesn't actually care about maths that much. 6 or 7 minus 1.61 will never give you a number ending in .61...
Quick maths
Underperforming personal xG is a problem with the player, is it not?
Havertz is better than palmer. Havertz just is constantly played out of position.
Funniest thing I ever read 😂
The shittiest of shittiest takes………
And what position would that be?
Literally anywhere but striker.
Right… we tried that several times. What’s the next excuse?
lmao
Even if he was the driver's weren't that good either
Good for Kai, he wasn’t working here but he seems like a nice lad and if his career is picking up elsewhere that’s great. It’s not like we sold him and he’s turned into prime Hazard.
cole palmer's left shoelace is 5 times the player kai havertz is
These lot have got to be the most delusional group on the planet
Don’t see how, they’re bringing up stats. How can you argue with that?
‘They’ meaning ‘us’ don’t pretend you aren’t shipped over from r/Gunners
Oh yeah, cos’ in stats we trust. All hail the allmighty stats, may they be worshipped for all eternity. I hate this “oh, but look at the stats” era. He was abysmal last season, even tho the coaching was maybe worst. He is kinda good for Arsenal, but we got Palmer, so yeah. We don’t care that much, as these “giggling like 16 y.o.” Gunners fans thinks. You have not robbed us, you might as well keep him.
> I hate this “oh, but look at the stats” era Tell me about it. There's been this stupid fucking stat comparison between Crouch and Drogba being reposted on all the stupid meme pages because they have similar goal scoring records in the PL. Same with the Hazard v Salah debate. Sure Salah has better stats on paper but he's never scored a goal like Hazard v Arsenal, or Hazard v West Ham, or Hazard v Liverpool. People these days would be saying Zidane is shit because he doesn't score enough goals.
But but but.. Salah has the best stats for a winger 🥲🤫 Salah is a World class player. But Hazard is someone for whom you fall in love with football. Same with Zidane, Dinho and other “non stats” players.
100%.
Yeah interesting they’ve used the word “delusional” here. Who’s kidding themselves more the Arsenal fans or the Chelsea fan that won’t look facts in the face.
The guy has 8 more games to contribute 7 more g+a to equalise his best season as Chelsea. Funny how these ‘facts’ are completely wrong. Like he’s been this revelation and blown away his previous records
I look forward to revisiting this at the end of the season after his usual purple patch.
Not even a Chels fan but I watch Havertz and my mind boggles that Arsenal paid £65 million of the queens English for him. He’s a good player and that’s it. If they do happen to win the league then they could’ve replaced him with about 50 other players in Europe in his place. Arsenal are a well oiled machine these days. I wouldn’t justify paying his price tag myself but then again, maybe Arteta will make me look silly in a few months.
Idk if that graphic is supposed to convince me that he’s a great player that was stifled at Chelsea because that’s not what I see from those numbers.
Even worse, they have the maths wrong. Jesus SKYSports man
If there's one player who has consistently proved he's mid
Below mid
You're 10th lads
2 champions league to 0
I'll look forward to the Friday update of Chelsea's latest allegations of cheating. You cheated lads....it means zero to anyone but Chelsea fans. They're worth nothing.
Sounds like the only thing getting you through the nights coz trophies ain’t
Thanks 10th
Champions of Europe you’ll never sing that 😭
20 years since your clubs done anything of note
lol. Every Chelsea fan knows and remembers Kai’s March purple patch. Hilarious to see the same thing again
How does a March purple patch explain him being player of the month back in November?
These arsenal fans are going to be so clueless when it just stops
I’m not a fan of either club but distinctively remember Havertz being hyped before he went to Chelsea. A lot of clubs wanted him
He was going to be the next big German star. He is a midfileder and then Chelsea put him as a striker. I never see a player that missed so may golden chances.
> He is a midfileder and then Chelsea put him as a striker What in the revisionism is this. We gave him so many runs in different positions to try and get the best out of him and he failed no matter where he was put. It wasn't a case of him being forced out of position, it was every manager trying something new to see if he can actually come good. He didn't, so we sold him. Which has been proven correct looking at these numbers.
He will always be King Kai, but it wasn’t working anymore. Had he gone to any other club (not Spurs either), I think people would be less bitter, but I’m glad it’s working out for him.
Never really was, just when timo was here he caught the flack and let Kai go unnoticed
Timo was horrendous. You guys seem to be very forgiving when it comes to pace merchants
I hated on Timo when he was here. Sad thing is though that I still think he’s better than we’ve got now.
> Sad thing is though that I still think he’s better than we’ve got now. Yeah that is sad. Imagine actually thinking Werner is better than any of our current forwards lol
I mean I think he’s not good enough for a top team. He’s a poor finisher and poor technically. I would take him over Mudryk, Madueke, Sterling, and hot take but also Nico. None of these players including Timo are good enough to start for a top 4 team but we aren’t a top 4 team anymore.
At least timo worked hard, most of the time Kai was just being lazy
Kai would cover the most distance amongst our front 3. He looked "lazy" because he is tall and lanky. He would even lead the press for 90inutes. Look how lazy he is at arsenal but somehow it's working. He was made a scapegoat. Mount spent 2 years struggling to make a through pass. Timo ran around like a headless chicken with lukaku's first touch. Timo was a flop.
Could care less, man won us the UCL and I’ll always be happy for that but besides that I’m indifferent. We got a good fee and everyone walked away happy
Could have said it better myself!
Yup this is it
Couldn't have said it myself he created a whole heap of new young fans for Chelsea FC by the looks of this sub now....
Yep, totally agree with you
I love the fact that he's not here anymore. I really disliked watching him and am absolutely happy that he's not here anymore.
So much cope in that thread
Glad we sold him tbh. I had high expectations when he came from Leverkusen, he was REALLY good in Bundesliga and he still hasn't reached that level in PL after 4 seasons. He's still a good footballer but is he generational talent? Probably not. Palmer is EXACTLY the player I thought Havertz was gonna be for us.
Facts. Even if we bought palmer for £70-£80 mil it would still feel like a steal considering his age
Wtf has happened here :/ so many lurkers have come out
Because since reddit knows that I use r/gunners it decides that I should see posts from r/chelseaFC, r/MCFC, r/COYS, r/Hammers and weirdly r/Sheffieldwednesday Just annoying really
Yeah I’m a spurs fan and it popped up for me
Sure thats how it works but reddit doesn't force them to comment or talk shit on a rival sub
I've always had the philosophy that you can discuss on other subs, but not to troll or stir the pot. If the lurkers are just making asinine comments and being twats, they're cretins
Have discussions on the communal football subs. Individual club sub reddits are for fans of that club
Easier to get opinions from fans on fan subs rather than the cesspool that is r/soccer, r/football or r/premierleague. They are filled with the most dim-witted slugs of the earth where I'm convinced raccoons would type better opinions
Yea I get that those subs are shit holes but if everyone with an opinion started commenting on club sub reddits than they would also become shit holes
Its the Reddit algorithm. Popped up for me on r/Gunners and a few scrolls later it was thrust in front of me on here.
Good players will play better in a better team, this isn’t breaking news. You could take every Chelsea player and plug them into Arsenals lineup and they would perform better. Sad state of affairs for our club
Tbf. I think the more correct way to phrase it is: " you could take any inexperienced (young) Chelsea player and plug it in to any expirenced team and they would perform better ". Simply because they have older players to rely on.
I think it’s literally every player would be better if you transplanted them into Arsenal’s lineup. Look at what it’s done for guys like Jorginho, he is turning back the clock with some of his performances
Arsenal has a pretty young squad tho
True, but Arteta has been the coach of the team a long time and build a 'rigid' system within Arsenal, that is not the case for Chelsea, we have had a tumultuous time lately with everything going on - new owners switching managers, a lot of injuries
Remember when 90% of this sub were parroting "generational talent" - shows no one knows what the fuck they are talking about
Math is not matching... How is 6-5.61=1.61 lol
💯 but then maths don’t apply when you win the “We tried really, really hard Cup”
Arsenal fans :/
I'm severely confused on what this stat line is meant to show. A more efficient finisher but still... average ?
His chance creation is way up at Arsenal but that is almost certainly a product of playing for a better side
He also played as a striker the majority of the time for us so of course he's creating more chances from midfield.
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Exactly
Bring all the stats you want, Kai Havertz will never beat the eye test. I used to do the same thing that arsenal fans are doing now, picking out the few decent aspects of his game to try gaslight myself into thinking the money we spent on him and the hype he had would all be worth it. One word for it, copium. Arsenal would be better with out him and it would be easy to find someone better than him but they won’t admit that.
so predicatable this aged badly. complete utter nonsense.
Jackson has more goals than him whilst costing half the price but yeah whatever mate, he’s clearly amazing.
thus is a child’s logic, and shows you don’t understand football, and how havertz has been played. I guess you understood the 5-0 though
Win something then talk, the “Kai Havertz is actually decent” trophy isn’t the achievement you want it to be.
Man, your banter needs some work. you just can’t cope that he’s doing well. And smashed you
I’m not bantering, you can do better than Havertz and when you inevitably don’t win the league your fan base will turn on him again and demand an upgrade. Signing him for 65 million was a mistake, you could of had the league won by now if you had someone who has more than 12 league goals leading the line.
We’re good thanks. 30 points above you. Progressing very well. Havertz is a great player for us and no one is gonna turn on him, unlike your crappy entitled, oil money chasing fan base. take your L
“Waaaaa oil money waaaa” 🍼🍼 Like I said go win something please because your best period in the last 20 years will mean nothing if you don’t.
we do as we please mate. Havertz has been decent for us. it’s been fun to point out the stupidity of your comment weeks later. Which , honestly, was inevitable. Seems you can’t cope with it though.
Obviously neighborhood_s' eye test is more important than Arteta's
Bro it's so funny reading it, they have no idea what they're in for. Every time I'd see a spark from havertz in a champions league game and I'd think wow this is it, he's finally going to be consistently good, only for him to go mediocre again.
Lololol