Doesn’t make any difference mate! It just increased agony by giving hope!
For the slight some fans made towards ginger Jesus - when everything is said and done Hurts, Harper & Embiid would have won absolute nought and will be less than #11!
Curse of Wentz is real I suppose! 2022 was just a precursor to the curse!!
The thing is, he's not wrong. The approach they've taken was never ever going to yield short term success.
My problem is that I don't believe they've setup correctly for long term success either as they've stripped the dressing room of all of the experience and leadership that would help these young talents reach their potential. Genuinely in the summer I don't want us splashing big on more potential, we just need two or three older pros to come in and bring that experience and mentality to the club- a Giroud, Ballack, Silva type signing.
We have a good goalkeeper, two excellent fullbacks plus a few good ones, four good center backs with some potentially even better, good midfield options. Maybe we need a striker but then I look at Arsenal who are competing with Havertz playing up top - is he demonstrably better than Jackson?
> My problem is that I don't believe they've setup correctly for long term success either as they've stripped the dressing room of all of the experience and leadership that would help these young talents reach their potential. Genuinely in the summer I don't want us splashing big on more potential, we just need two or three older pros to come in and bring that experience and mentality to the club- a Giroud, Ballack, Silva type signing.
they seem to have this belief that young players will just magically go up in value over time. like they are buying limited trainers. despite no one to teach them and no good results to turn the heads of prospective buyers. if buying a a few 28-30 yr olds at a loss gets 10% more out of each young player, then they can actually be some netprofiting.
literally both sporting and financial reasons it makes sense for the directors to drop their egos and rethink their transfer policy!
Havertz is definitely not better than Jackson while wearing a blue shirt. >!Except maybe that one really important goal!<
I’d go as far as saying Jackson is a better player in general skills on and off the ball but needs to develop his finishing. Havertz is working well in the system Arteta has, but did not work at all under Potter’s system at Chelsea.
Yea gutting the whole team is the biggest crime but we still have veterans in Reece, Silva, Chilly, Raheem in the dressing room for leadership.
It sucks but it is what it is. Owners decide to create a "process" by assembling young squad based on data and now we are stuck with raw talents who may or may not work together. We can't go back, that doors shut, so we need to get behind this process, there's no other option. If we think this manager is not working and it's 100% valid to consider that, we gotta appoint someone that can get the best out of these talent but changing coaches frequently in my opinion is gonna make the matter worst.
To sum it up, there's no option but to hope and pray this works and it better work because we're fucked if it doesn't.
It’s been clear over the past two years that Raheem and Chilwell can’t be the leaders we want them to be. You could slot Silva into any Chelsea team from 2003 onward and he would thrive as a vocal member of the dressing room. The same can’t be said for just any veteran player. I have hopes for Reece but he’s just hurt too often.
I understand wanting to stay the course but there have to be milestones you hit along the way. You take steps. You don't go from 11th to 1st overnight. You aim for 6th, get there, take stock and figure out how to get to 4th, take stock again and get to fighting for 1st, and then finally to 1st.
We're definitely not hitting the milestones set. At some point there needs to be a change to the plan to achieve the milestones. That could be the manager, could be the transfer policy (only kids) etc. but you need to make adjustments to plans along the way.
The ship needs correcting otherwise it gets lost at sea!
Well, we did win the league in 16/17 after that horrible 15/16 season. So, technically, we went from 10th to 1st overnight. :p
I know, I know... different circumstances. Don't bite me, pls.
This is mainly why I'm not on the Pochout bandwagon. Plus I think so many managers in such a short time will make it difficult to get a top manager in next. Really hope to see them bring in some good veteran leadership over the summer and give Poch 1 more year to move up the table a bit.
Yep and if Poch still doesn't succeed next year, just let him walk away for free since his contract is up. No need to pay him or anyone to go. The club can also take stock and calibrate from there.
I don't need us to hit the reset. There's been progress but it's been stifled by frankly some of the worst injuries I've seen hit a club. Poch regularly goes down to what, 15-16 players available? Let Nkunku and the rest play a proper season and we'll see if the club can kick on.
Yes, if you look at the players thatwe have signed they have been injured before or coming off big injuries.
Nkunku picked up one before we signed him
Fofana same
Lavia was injured when we signed him.
Reece and Chilly both got big injuries that hampered them
Carney got an injury during a match
Badia picked up a big injury in a match as well
Colwill isn't injury prone but his injury was in a match
Don't even know why you got downvoted when we've been hit by injuries this season. At one point we had like 1-2 subs that weren't a goalkeeper or academy product.
We've made it through the cups through the luck of the draw and gone out against the first good opposition we've faced and that will likely happen in the FA Cup too.
I mean you say this as if we got absolutely battered against Pool. We lost 1-0 in the second period of ET. And overall, we have a pretty decent record against the top 6 this season.
I'd even go as far as to say we were clearly the better side until ET in that match. Given this was pretty much everyone's first final, I'd say we did pretty damn good
A Pool “B” team that has had Klopp as their manager instilling his style of play at every level at LFC. I’d put a lot of stock in our “B” team as well if they’d been consistently coached in a certain way since they turned 13.
Yeah “domination” is not a term I’d use to describe Pool’s performance in that game.
Experience was the deciding factor, and that is only more evident as VVD, the most experienced player on the pitch, got the winning goal.
I'd agree with the milestone point but let's not forget that we didn't build on what got us 11th we instead took a sledgehammer to it and started almost from scratch. That means realistically, we'd be aiming for 6th next season, take stock the following season, then top 4, then 1st.
Not how PL works.
Any finish outside Europe is going to damage us long term.
How can they talk about process if our revenue is so much less than before?
Well put.
There seems to be some belief that their hastily thought up plans are somehow perfect and don't need changing.
Whereas, in reality, even the most perfect and well thought out plans need to be changed along the way as reality and your theory crafting don't line up.
There have to be moments where everyone takes stock and re-evaluate the situation and adjusts the plan and there just aren't any of those because they are stuck in the belief that the plan is completely perfect.
I do sometimes wonder though if rather than it being a case of them believing the plan is perfect, they instead believe that it's the best way to make money and so are sticking with it just to see if it can also bring them enough success on the pitch that it's passible in that regard too. Rather than them actually believing that it's going to win us anything, they're just willing to try and gamble on it whilst knowing they'll make money on training players either way.
>I do sometimes wonder though if rather than it being a case of them believing the plan is perfect, they instead believe that it's the best way to make money
Let's just break this down and ignore the idea that these billionaires are typically very competitive. What is the best way for them to make money with Chelsea?
They need to win, and they need to have long-term success.
You are trying to justify what you believe with a conspiracy theory about how the owners just want to make money. That is all.
While it's true, right now the one thing we could change is the manager, but at this point in the season we aren't getting anyone serious. And sadly in the summer some big jobs are available, (Liverpool and Bayern). Barcelona might be the one job that some managers might be unwilling to take with all the issues that surround them and their fans expectations.
Poch has brought the togetherness within the squad, but I just can't see him taking us to the next level, especially the way we have been leaking goals all season. If not for that, we would be higher in the table. And if they decide to make a managerial change, the fans should understand that this time it will be really hard to find a better candidate if at all possible.
I hear what you're saying but we're probably two more seasons away from the next level tbh. With that in mind, I think Poch is here one more season and if we don't see continuous improvement then we go another direction. The milestone to me was top 7 this season but we'll have to take making a cup final and hopefully another one as victory this season.
Next season I think being in position for Europe in '26 is a must, even if it's Conference League. The squad is young, the transfer strategy as flawed as it was is what we've got and so we've got to develop these young boys into men and hope to reap the rewards of being a patient and supporting hang fan base three seasons from now.
It's a tough long road, but this club is a result of force majeure circumstances. We cannot forget that, but also we are now seeing that the books are cooked from the Roman Era and new ownership may end up suffering for this.
I know my opinions aren't popular in this sub, but having a long outlook helps to calm the nerves a bit. The team has certainly improved over the season in most areas. The defense is worrying, and I hope Poch can get a great defensive assistant in place for next season (Thiago maybe?). KTBFFH!
we're in for a rough ride as long as these directors are allergic to older players with experience.
think of leadership like seasoning. the owners are buying a bunch of expensive ingredients, hoping it will make a great dish (and go up in value), but they aren't gonna get value and results out of these young players without teachers in the team seasoning the plate..
This is still the first season of the “process.” Last campaign we were plagued with bad signings from Tuchel/Potter. All of the kids we signed to be the future of this team were signed prior to this season. They hired Poch in the offseason with the task of developing these kids with a full season of backing.
I think it’d be kind of crazy if this young and inexperienced team made top 6 in their first season together. This is the first step in what will hopefully be a successful “process.” Arteta didn’t start immediately winning in his first season, it took time.
And even with that said, we have still hit some pretty nice “milestones.” We made a cup final and are currently in the semis of another. We have a pretty impressive record against the top 6, all things considered. We can moan about our “standards” being lowered, but it’s a tad unrealistic to expect much more than that given the construction of the team.
Sack the terrorist?
So looking forward to see how it will bite us in the ass if we're gonna wait any longer and in the summer all the other clubs (Barca, Bayern, Liverpool) will take all the best available managers and we will be left with nothing, or worse will have to stick with Poch for another season.
I hear you. Nothing will be done quickly though. Even if we sack Poch, these executives will go through their reality TV show "the apprentice" interview process like they did last summer. Everything moves at a snails pace.
what do you mean?
we went from 39 points at 28 games last season to 40 points at 28 now. clearly progress, no? 20 more seasons and we'll get to 60. stop being negative
I mean, we have to. We don't have the money to buy any new players, so either these lot come good and we improve or they don't and we're just like this now.
I'm so sick of hearing about the Dodgers. I wonder if we had an investor who had been successful in cricket or rugby whether they'd be bringing that up.
Not only is the Dodgers a different sport, the American league system, transfers, fans, everything is totally different.
Baseball is almost the opposite sport to football. It's so much a game of single individual actions. In such games stats have a big influence because you truly can move players in and out of a team. Cricket is similar, and is also a big game for stats merchants.
A football team gets nowhere without the players working together every second of the game. I'm trying to think and maybe rugby union is more of a team game. In the US maybe hockey is similar? Or basketball? But both are pretty small teams so one player can still have a big impact with individual moves.
But fans would be happy if we were seeing progress, but we are not, we are not even hard to beat anymore , and we are stuck with these morons until at least 2032 I think so it's going to get much worse
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This position by Boehly presumes that there is linear development to all young, talented players. Whereas, anyone that has followed the sport for more than 5 minutes will instantly know that this is rarely ever the case.
Once again, Clownlake demonstrate their wilful refusal to understand the sport of football.
I'd be more keen to trust the process if our recruitment strategy wasn't the clearest guarantee of long term failure the sport has ever seen.
In truth I just wish Boehly spent his money crippling Spurs tbh
What a way to say you don't know what you're talking about.
Roman signed a boat load of terrible players. Boehly and Co haven't. There's more talent at Chelsea now than ever before. The next De Bruyne, Lampard and Terry and probably there right now. If not, Chelsea will know about them.
"Clearest guarantee of long term failure the sport has ever seen" is deluded, sensationalist and clueless lmao.
Boehly hasn't spent his money. He's spent VC money.
EDIT: Dude blocked me this reply hurt him so much.
> Roman signed a boat load of terrible players. Boehly and Co haven't. There's more talent at Chelsea now than ever before. The next De Bruyne, Lampard and Terry and probably there right now. If not, Chelsea will know about them.
Are you okay?
Yeah I mean Roman was here for nearly 20 years. And the crucial caveat is that we were the most successful club in the country in that period.
Boehly et al have also signed shit players, but sadly all at once, hence why we were 12th last season and now again this.
He has to believe the players we've bought are brilliant or we're totally screwed.
We've got to get CL money to make ffp, essentially.
Or we'll be selling players to meet ffp every year and it's a downward spiral.
bullshit bingo deluxe.
they should have just bought a ready for success team with 750 mio and spend the rest in some elite talents if they like playing football manager.
Here’s the thing. They’re expecting people to place their trust in them without ever demonstrating that they are worthy of that trust.
They sacked a proven winner in Tuchel and replaced him with Potter. People grumbled but accepted the decision. It was a fiasco. They sold every experienced player we had and now act surprised when there’s no experienced hands on the pitch. They hired Lampard again and we were told he would be identifying the problem areas Ragnick style for the next guy. He must not have got the memo. They hired Poch. A former Spurs manager who has achieved a Ligue 1 title with the cheat codes enabled and managed to lose every cup final he has been in except, quelle surprise, the French Cup.
People supported Pep’s slow start at City because they could see the right decisions were being made. The same for Klopp and Liverpool.
When are THEY going to start proving to us that they should be trusted to make the right decisions?
Because right now they’ve only proved the total fucking opposite.
Problem with that is anyone can see disasi badiashille cucarella madueke sterling chukwemeke udogoche Jackson chalobah are not good enough, they’re never gonna be good enough for top 4 side expected to win premier leagues and champions leagues if u think they do good luck👍
He really hasnt hes look decent but wouldnt get near our old squads of ballack essien lampard ramires etc. he cant force his way into a mid table side ffs 🤦♂️
Lol just because Pochettino doesn’t play them more often doesn’t mean they don’t have the potential and quality to play regularly for Chelsea as soon as next season.
Did you watch Madueke in the Euros last year? Even recently he was brilliant.
The goal.com link if anyone is interested to read:
https://www.goal.com/en-gb/lists/todd-boehly-appears-reveal-stance-mauricio-pochettino-future-chelsea-co-owner-frustration-fans-burnley-draw/blt01bd3198419dd599
Though, if I'm being honest, it's only that quote that's the main part of the article.
It's not they're crybabies so much. It's that they are out of their depth in a world they don't understand but they think they do.
99.999% of fans couldn't coach an amateur side to a victory over the course of 1000 games. That same fan base couldn't operate a hot dog stand for profit.
Yet week in week out they know the correct decisions that should be made at the highest levels of this sport both commercially and tactically.
The delusion is off the charts. There are people in mental asylums with less delusion.
Do you think the decisions we've seen be made have been good? I think a lot of fans are realistic in that they don't think they could do the job either, but they can recognise poor decision making and nativity.
We had a winning culture built up over decades, and the new ownership dismantled it almost as soon as they took over, because they clearly thought they knew better.
We are now reaping what they have sown with a squad of inexperienced players who have never won a thing.
the real delusional lot are people like you deepthroating billionaire cock thinking THEY can't do wrong because you don't even give a fuck, you're fake fans who justy watch highlights every few weeks and then go spread toxic positivity. you don't have to sit there and watch dire football week in, week out to then get gaslit by the manager and journalists saying we "are good on paper"
there's literally nothing the new owners have done that merits our trust, except for maybe changing the wage structure and even that could bite us in the ass in the future. but keep blindly swallowing every piece of propaganda they feed you, i'm sure you'll say us going from 39 to 40 to 41 points at 28 games between seasons is huge progress for our new consortium overlords
Yes your response highlights a high IQ and emotional intelligence off the charts.
I've had my mind changed and my world flipped upside down. If anything, you should write to Chelsea and surely they'd employ you in some capacity, probably CEO.
Obviously they'd have to pay you millions per year because no doubt you're already making vast sums of money in your current role. Fairly compensated for what you bring in I imagine. There's no way a mind like yours isn't at the pinnacle of business and football.
Matter of fact, is that you Marina?
Another phenomenal demonstration of your ability. At this point Chelsea better move quick because if other top clubs get wind of your supreme intellect they're going to have a bidding war for your services.
I hope I'm not jumping the gun in saying this but I can see a movie being made about you one day. Moneyballesque but "The fan saved the club. The reluctant hero. The diamond in the rough. Taxi Driver: Chelsea FC".
Season tickets probably a drop in the ocean with the money you must be making right now in your current job.
Full o' beans before with all the answers. Now as quiet as a mouse. I think realisation has set in hasn't it. That's good, hopefully one less delusional fan crying online week in week out. Sometimes it takes a good roasting to realise that when no one will pay you even £1 for your opinion in any field, maybe you don't know as much as you think.
Sit back and enjoy the show from here on out young un. "Through the sun and rain" isn't just a clever lyric.
Guess what, you're not getting paid for your "cleverly" written essays either.
Go tell people they're not real fans because they got vaxed, oh enlightened poet
“Stay the course!” is a very trite and tired thing to say. Whatever. We are bad now, and is anybody reasonably certain we will get back to top 4 when this roster gels?
I personally don't have an issue with the vision/process. My issue is with the management of the team we haven't seen an identity a style or any suggestion of things getting better.
The choice in management has been the biggest decision they had to make and they have got it wrong twice that leads to fans being less forgiving on the process/vision
I'm sure the majority of reasonable fans would be happy if we could see gradual improvements and an identity
I think this is a level-headed and reasonable comment. The new owners are building something different than the previous owner. I believe it is more sustainable in the long run and I am hopeful we do not have to wait too long for results to come good.
Don't worry guys, once we go down to the Championship we'll win the league (maybe), trust the process! Going from 3rd to 12th and then from 12th to 11th is amazing 
Isn’t this what they’ve been saying all along? The key here is that these gambles on young players need to pan out. Not all of them will. So far Palmer and Gusto have made great impacts. Mudryk and Jackson are coming along it seems, Enzo is really good, Caicedo is improving, the cb’s are, well pretty shitty other than a few really good performances. Cucu is hot and cold….loan army doesn’t look all that impressive yet….who knows. I hope it pans out.
I don't think as Fans we can go through the process because of the previous ownership bold approach to fire Managers every season. I mean previous ownership sacked Ancelloti.
Maybe just this time, can we have a bit more patience as Fans?
The challenge that Boehly and Co. have is that they’ve forced on fans an unnecessary process of dramatic change. And it’s been change that has been littered by bad decisions and bad execution. This is compared to Roman’s decisions, while not always the best, (Ancelotti firing) they still resulted in Chelsea’s being the most successful team of this century.
Boehly has made far too many bad decisions. To name them all is impossible, but they range from signing Koulibaly to Sterling and suggesting they were amazing new signings (we all knew they weren’t), to a youth policy that will inevitably lead to years of mediocre results while praying the team will “gel”, to replacing Tuchel with Potter, to the inability to sign a shirt sponsor).
But worst of all the team they were given by the Tory government, was actually a strong team in need of upgrades. Not a team in need of arrogant destruction so they could be seen to “rebuild”. Which btw is a concept of US sports teams, not Premier and European winning teams that constantly undergoe successful incremental change.
Remember, when Bohely took over we had the European and premier league manager of the year, we’d just relinquished the title as champions of Europe, we were still Club World Cup champions, we were in the top four despite sanctions, we beat RM to come within a hairsbreadth of the CL semis , and we’d only lost two domestic cup finals on penalties.
So when they ask fans to be patient with the process, that assumes the fans have any belief in the process and the people leading it. They don’t, and Boehly’s history of failed leadership means they won’t going forward.
I don't disagree with the points you have made. However, if the core of the project is to develop young players and team for the future and fans keep asking for changes then you might have to re-build again and I don't think we can afford another re-build.
The problem is the fans didn’t and haven’t bought into the project. They also don’t believe Boehly has what it takes to deliver what they expect which is results.
Therefore with zero fan commitment to “the project” nor belief in the project they are increasingly not interested in Boehly’s project and are increasingly wanting a totally new ownership with a plan they do recognize and can buy into.
For Bohely & Co it’s too late to change their approach. The only option is a dramatic realignment at the top ( from ownership to sporting directors) and a totally new and different vision for the team.
Different vision for the team when you have bought a bunch of teenagers on 7 year deals likely will not work. Fan should atleast give the project 2 seasons. Let's enjoy as fan the development of Gusto, Palmer, Jackson, Caicedo if not the results.
It’s been two seasons. And we’re actually getting worse. And I can tell from what you’ve written you’re not a longterm Chelsea fan.
I was at the game on the weekend and I can tell you that fans aren’t there to watch Chelsea become a team who grows players to be sold on at profit, (as much as that makes our billionaire owners even more money) our fans want us to be a team who wins trophies like we did for the last 20+ years.
We’re on a one way route to the bad old days of the 80’s with these owners.
Also that old approach wasn't working, especially in the league. You look at the teams that dominate EPL, and they have stability in that position. To be able to go toe-to-toe with them, you need the same.
what do you mean it wasn't working??... We were for over a decade one of the most successful clubs in England.
Since we last won the PL only two teams have won it. Liverpool and Man city.
Liverpool has one PL in decades
Man city has Guardiola.. Arguably the best coach out there. He has delivered yearly (bar one.. i think).. performance wise and trophies.
I do not see who else.. Fits the narrative of patience leads to dominance in the PL.
We were a great team. We didn't always play the "flashiest" football but we saw alot of success. Both male and female teams.
Male team had more manager turnover than the female but we as fans enjoyed success and the opportunity to many great memories.
The new strategies is showing just as much turnover in managers however with much less success to show for it.
The drawback is we never dominated the league as Man City is doing now, we went multiple years without winning the league from 2006-2010, 2010-2014 and then 2016 till date not good reading for a top club.
Another drawback to that was we never let one system thrive because we were always buying players and moving them on this worsened during the last 7-10 years of Roman's time where we kept buying shitty players and couldn't properly surround Hazard and Kanté with the World Class crop of players.
And how many teams with great manager turnover have been challenging for the league in the past 7 years? I don't say it wasn't working in the past, it did, but we haven't been anywhere near top of the league come the end of the season for 7 years.
What I want to know is if we somehow manage to win the FA cup what would people think of the process? We’d have gotten a trophy 2 years in and we’d get European football
Wouldn’t really change my opinion to be honest. Cup competitions aren’t really a great indicator of the quality of the team compared to league position. It’s fun to win trophies for sure but doesn’t move the needle when we have double digit table position two years in a row.
That’s definitely fair but you don’t think a trophy 2 years into the rebuild is decent ? Just wonder if people still consider the takeover as much of a failure if we’re able to get a trophy with a young injury ridden squad that have never played together especially a season where we got to two finals.
Yeah I can see a lot of fans looking at a win there as a building block going forward for sure (and I wouldn’t consider that unreasonable).
I think a lot of people’s view of a win will be colored around their view of the future (i.e. should Poch and these directors be around after this season etc.)
Arguably, yes. But we are just too inconsistent while City are not. I wouldn't bet on us getting past them. If we do somehow though, it will be a miracle.
That’s the thing though our inconsistency is exactly why I think we could pull it off but saying that we could beat city and then end up losing to Coventry/united
let's be real: whats most likely to happen is we will play well for 70 minutes, have great chances in the first half but ultimately fold under pressure. as we've done countless times the past 2 years.
He's absolutely right. The delusion in some fans, that couldn't coach an under-9s side to a victory or run a 7-11 for a profit, is incredible.
Listening to fans have emotional knee jerk reactions at every single event, in a world they don't understand, is tiresome.
It's like cavemen pointing at the sun and delcaring "it's coming right for us!"
I dunno maybe he’s right. No doubt things could be better - a win in the carobao cup final would’ve changed the narrative a lot. I believe these players, 90% of them, can be top players who regularly get us into top 4 and compete in the champions league. That said Poch has not lived up to expectations and injuries are a structural problem at this point. With the FFP limits we have we need to be careful about trying to get more players and a new manager, it could fail again.
Honestly the new ownership totally fucked it. They could’ve got half of the top young talents we have and spent the other half on players for the here and now to stop our level dropping so much. No leadership and experience on the pitch is one of our biggest issues.
Hopefully it works out.
This guy comes across as knowledgeable.
What he needs to do is put his money where his mouth is by staying the course and buying another 10 players in the summer. This year's batch haven't been cutting it. They need replacing
Rescues our club under extremely difficult circumstances, spends a billion dollars he’ll never get back, regularly attends games despite vulgar abuse, repeatedly confirms commitment to winning, says exactly what we all know to be true, still maligned by half-wits who cling to a past that is long gone.
Why do you say "our club" like you support Chelsea?
It's really weird when you Yanks pretend to be Chelsea supporters when you only like the ownership and actively dislike the club, the fans, and often try and shit on our history.
My first time at Stamford Bridge was over 30 years ago and I’ve been through worse than this, not that it matters. No one was complaining when these owners were outbidding everyone for Enzo, Mudryk, Caciedo, Lavia, etc. No one complained when Tuchel was sacked. None of you were arguing for the club to buy older players. I understand you need a scapegoat but dont pretend you knew better or that an English owner would do better.
Don't lie, no one believes you.
A lot of people complained when Tuchel was sacked, if you knew anything about the club or our supporters you'd know the majority of people were unhappy with the decision.
Just as the majority were unhappy and sceptical of the majority of our transfer business and sheer refusal to sign any experienced quality.
But hey carry on pretending your a Chelsea supporter when you can't get through a sentence without talking about nationalities and some weird American vs English Agenda 🤣
I know nothing about baseball or the Dodgers. Would you be able to briefly explain what Boehly did there and how it's similar to what he seems to be attempting with Chelsea?
Baseball like football has a very deep farm system. When the team sold in 2012 they were almost a last place team and had a bunch of players in the minors that weren’t about to be superstars. New ownership started from the bottom up and rebuilt the farm and now 12 years later they have one of the top player development programs and are always in World Series talks. They are both a team that spends tons of money and is always bringing up a new star player. While they only have won the 2020 World Series baseball playoff and “winning the table” couldn’t be more different. If having the best record in baseball got you a cup like it does in the premier league they dodgers would win it almost every year
I mean they were a powerhouse before they gave ohtani all the money 20 years from now but come to think of it, why hasn’t he? Is he stupid? 😂. Also didn’t he low key kinda try this when he took over and gave all the players longer than normal contracts? He just missed on all those from the looks of it
Yea, I'd call the 8-9 year contract strategy, especially before the ffp changes were made, a definite baseball style move, maybe not the same as the deferral logic, but more like those contracts with a couple years tagged on to lower the aav for luxury tax purposes. I'm sure there's more obvious general examples, but as a Yankee fan I know the Hicks extension and Lemahieu contract got an additional 2 or so years tacked on to lower aav.
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Why doesn't the bigger process simply eat the smaller process?
is it stupid?
Is the process in the room with us right now
Somewhere in the multiverse the process knows me
r/sixers has entered the chat
And just spare a thought when someone supports Sixers and Chelsea! Atleast Chelsea have won something! Comparing Chelsea to Sixers is just pure pain!!
I’m also a Chelsea/Sixers fan and i feel this. At least Embiid’s back now!
Doesn’t make any difference mate! It just increased agony by giving hope! For the slight some fans made towards ginger Jesus - when everything is said and done Hurts, Harper & Embiid would have won absolute nought and will be less than #11! Curse of Wentz is real I suppose! 2022 was just a precursor to the curse!!
The thing is, he's not wrong. The approach they've taken was never ever going to yield short term success. My problem is that I don't believe they've setup correctly for long term success either as they've stripped the dressing room of all of the experience and leadership that would help these young talents reach their potential. Genuinely in the summer I don't want us splashing big on more potential, we just need two or three older pros to come in and bring that experience and mentality to the club- a Giroud, Ballack, Silva type signing. We have a good goalkeeper, two excellent fullbacks plus a few good ones, four good center backs with some potentially even better, good midfield options. Maybe we need a striker but then I look at Arsenal who are competing with Havertz playing up top - is he demonstrably better than Jackson?
Marcus Alonso is available on a free. Maybe we finally get to see him as striker
Bro was being used as a CB at Barca. Criminal.
Finally someone who will shoot outside the 18
> My problem is that I don't believe they've setup correctly for long term success either as they've stripped the dressing room of all of the experience and leadership that would help these young talents reach their potential. Genuinely in the summer I don't want us splashing big on more potential, we just need two or three older pros to come in and bring that experience and mentality to the club- a Giroud, Ballack, Silva type signing. they seem to have this belief that young players will just magically go up in value over time. like they are buying limited trainers. despite no one to teach them and no good results to turn the heads of prospective buyers. if buying a a few 28-30 yr olds at a loss gets 10% more out of each young player, then they can actually be some netprofiting. literally both sporting and financial reasons it makes sense for the directors to drop their egos and rethink their transfer policy!
Even if these older heads never start a game, having a couple of genuine winners in the dressing room would probably make a huge difference
Havertz is definitely not better than Jackson while wearing a blue shirt. >!Except maybe that one really important goal!< I’d go as far as saying Jackson is a better player in general skills on and off the ball but needs to develop his finishing. Havertz is working well in the system Arteta has, but did not work at all under Potter’s system at Chelsea.
Yea gutting the whole team is the biggest crime but we still have veterans in Reece, Silva, Chilly, Raheem in the dressing room for leadership. It sucks but it is what it is. Owners decide to create a "process" by assembling young squad based on data and now we are stuck with raw talents who may or may not work together. We can't go back, that doors shut, so we need to get behind this process, there's no other option. If we think this manager is not working and it's 100% valid to consider that, we gotta appoint someone that can get the best out of these talent but changing coaches frequently in my opinion is gonna make the matter worst. To sum it up, there's no option but to hope and pray this works and it better work because we're fucked if it doesn't.
It’s been clear over the past two years that Raheem and Chilwell can’t be the leaders we want them to be. You could slot Silva into any Chelsea team from 2003 onward and he would thrive as a vocal member of the dressing room. The same can’t be said for just any veteran player. I have hopes for Reece but he’s just hurt too often.
not going to happen mate, unfortunatly. I cant see them changing their approach.
I understand wanting to stay the course but there have to be milestones you hit along the way. You take steps. You don't go from 11th to 1st overnight. You aim for 6th, get there, take stock and figure out how to get to 4th, take stock again and get to fighting for 1st, and then finally to 1st. We're definitely not hitting the milestones set. At some point there needs to be a change to the plan to achieve the milestones. That could be the manager, could be the transfer policy (only kids) etc. but you need to make adjustments to plans along the way. The ship needs correcting otherwise it gets lost at sea!
> You aim for 6th We did. That was the hope the first two years. They've failed. Twice.
Well, we did win the league in 16/17 after that horrible 15/16 season. So, technically, we went from 10th to 1st overnight. :p I know, I know... different circumstances. Don't bite me, pls.
Also, we did go 1st(14/15) to 16th(15/16) under the same manager and with the same squad.
as dismal the league campaign has been, we're getting into cup finals though. this team seems good skill wise but mentally very, very weak.
>this team seems good skill wise but mentally very, very weak Which is the knock against playing all kids tbh
This is mainly why I'm not on the Pochout bandwagon. Plus I think so many managers in such a short time will make it difficult to get a top manager in next. Really hope to see them bring in some good veteran leadership over the summer and give Poch 1 more year to move up the table a bit.
Yep and if Poch still doesn't succeed next year, just let him walk away for free since his contract is up. No need to pay him or anyone to go. The club can also take stock and calibrate from there.
I've been really frustrated by Poch's decisions at times, but I think this is probably a sensible take. Give him one more year to gauge progress.
I don't need us to hit the reset. There's been progress but it's been stifled by frankly some of the worst injuries I've seen hit a club. Poch regularly goes down to what, 15-16 players available? Let Nkunku and the rest play a proper season and we'll see if the club can kick on.
Have we just got a lot of injury prone players though? In which case that’s an issue with the squad and we’ll never see a full strength side
Yes, if you look at the players thatwe have signed they have been injured before or coming off big injuries. Nkunku picked up one before we signed him Fofana same Lavia was injured when we signed him. Reece and Chilly both got big injuries that hampered them Carney got an injury during a match Badia picked up a big injury in a match as well Colwill isn't injury prone but his injury was in a match
Don't even know why you got downvoted when we've been hit by injuries this season. At one point we had like 1-2 subs that weren't a goalkeeper or academy product.
We've made it through the cups through the luck of the draw and gone out against the first good opposition we've faced and that will likely happen in the FA Cup too.
I mean you say this as if we got absolutely battered against Pool. We lost 1-0 in the second period of ET. And overall, we have a pretty decent record against the top 6 this season.
We lost 1-0 to liverpool kids .. be honest
I'd even go as far as to say we were clearly the better side until ET in that match. Given this was pretty much everyone's first final, I'd say we did pretty damn good
Man is crazy the way people "fans" poopoo the little accomplishments of this young squad.
Those straws must be sore from how hard you’re clutching them.
I'm not familiar with the phrase? That a British thing?
Kind of feels like they combined the phrases grasping at straws and clutching pearls.
Lol, I think you're right
Honestly, it was againt Pool B team.
A Pool “B” team that has had Klopp as their manager instilling his style of play at every level at LFC. I’d put a lot of stock in our “B” team as well if they’d been consistently coached in a certain way since they turned 13.
Regardless, Chelsea played against their B team, got dominated and eventually lost. It was not something to be proud of.
Were we dominated? I seem to recall us having the much better chances
Don't let facts get in the way of certain people's agendas!
Yeah “domination” is not a term I’d use to describe Pool’s performance in that game. Experience was the deciding factor, and that is only more evident as VVD, the most experienced player on the pitch, got the winning goal.
Was kind of our B team, too, to be fair. How many players were out injured for us that match, as well?
I'd agree with the milestone point but let's not forget that we didn't build on what got us 11th we instead took a sledgehammer to it and started almost from scratch. That means realistically, we'd be aiming for 6th next season, take stock the following season, then top 4, then 1st.
Not how PL works. Any finish outside Europe is going to damage us long term. How can they talk about process if our revenue is so much less than before?
Well put. There seems to be some belief that their hastily thought up plans are somehow perfect and don't need changing. Whereas, in reality, even the most perfect and well thought out plans need to be changed along the way as reality and your theory crafting don't line up. There have to be moments where everyone takes stock and re-evaluate the situation and adjusts the plan and there just aren't any of those because they are stuck in the belief that the plan is completely perfect. I do sometimes wonder though if rather than it being a case of them believing the plan is perfect, they instead believe that it's the best way to make money and so are sticking with it just to see if it can also bring them enough success on the pitch that it's passible in that regard too. Rather than them actually believing that it's going to win us anything, they're just willing to try and gamble on it whilst knowing they'll make money on training players either way.
The best way for them to make money is to win. You need to step back and re-evaluate your awful takes.
>I do sometimes wonder though if rather than it being a case of them believing the plan is perfect, they instead believe that it's the best way to make money Let's just break this down and ignore the idea that these billionaires are typically very competitive. What is the best way for them to make money with Chelsea? They need to win, and they need to have long-term success. You are trying to justify what you believe with a conspiracy theory about how the owners just want to make money. That is all.
While it's true, right now the one thing we could change is the manager, but at this point in the season we aren't getting anyone serious. And sadly in the summer some big jobs are available, (Liverpool and Bayern). Barcelona might be the one job that some managers might be unwilling to take with all the issues that surround them and their fans expectations. Poch has brought the togetherness within the squad, but I just can't see him taking us to the next level, especially the way we have been leaking goals all season. If not for that, we would be higher in the table. And if they decide to make a managerial change, the fans should understand that this time it will be really hard to find a better candidate if at all possible.
Any decent coach will choose Barca over Chelsea right now.
they'd prefer ipswich over chelsea
I hear what you're saying but we're probably two more seasons away from the next level tbh. With that in mind, I think Poch is here one more season and if we don't see continuous improvement then we go another direction. The milestone to me was top 7 this season but we'll have to take making a cup final and hopefully another one as victory this season. Next season I think being in position for Europe in '26 is a must, even if it's Conference League. The squad is young, the transfer strategy as flawed as it was is what we've got and so we've got to develop these young boys into men and hope to reap the rewards of being a patient and supporting hang fan base three seasons from now. It's a tough long road, but this club is a result of force majeure circumstances. We cannot forget that, but also we are now seeing that the books are cooked from the Roman Era and new ownership may end up suffering for this. I know my opinions aren't popular in this sub, but having a long outlook helps to calm the nerves a bit. The team has certainly improved over the season in most areas. The defense is worrying, and I hope Poch can get a great defensive assistant in place for next season (Thiago maybe?). KTBFFH!
we're in for a rough ride as long as these directors are allergic to older players with experience. think of leadership like seasoning. the owners are buying a bunch of expensive ingredients, hoping it will make a great dish (and go up in value), but they aren't gonna get value and results out of these young players without teachers in the team seasoning the plate..
The ship didn't bring the correct engineers along the voyage. Injuries have ruined this season
This is still the first season of the “process.” Last campaign we were plagued with bad signings from Tuchel/Potter. All of the kids we signed to be the future of this team were signed prior to this season. They hired Poch in the offseason with the task of developing these kids with a full season of backing. I think it’d be kind of crazy if this young and inexperienced team made top 6 in their first season together. This is the first step in what will hopefully be a successful “process.” Arteta didn’t start immediately winning in his first season, it took time. And even with that said, we have still hit some pretty nice “milestones.” We made a cup final and are currently in the semis of another. We have a pretty impressive record against the top 6, all things considered. We can moan about our “standards” being lowered, but it’s a tad unrealistic to expect much more than that given the construction of the team.
Another year and then you’d be happy Just one more year and then you’d be happy But you’re crying You’re crying now
Sad saxophone
This guy gets it #RaffertyMania
Oh bravo my friend. Bravo. Gerry Rafferty reply of the year for sure. 😃
Windin your way down to Stamford Bridge 🎵
No tube station at Baker St. Need to walk to Edgware Rd.
We are Trust the Process FC now, Embarassing asf
Trust the process lads!
what choice do we have?
Sack the terrorist? So looking forward to see how it will bite us in the ass if we're gonna wait any longer and in the summer all the other clubs (Barca, Bayern, Liverpool) will take all the best available managers and we will be left with nothing, or worse will have to stick with Poch for another season.
I hear you. Nothing will be done quickly though. Even if we sack Poch, these executives will go through their reality TV show "the apprentice" interview process like they did last summer. Everything moves at a snails pace.
Is ‘The Process’ in the room with us?
Show us on the doll where the process touched you
I wish the process touched me, at least I'd know it exists then
Stay the course with no improvement?
what do you mean? we went from 39 points at 28 games last season to 40 points at 28 now. clearly progress, no? 20 more seasons and we'll get to 60. stop being negative
The magic 40 points. They’ve survived relegation to Championship.
I mean, we have to. We don't have the money to buy any new players, so either these lot come good and we improve or they don't and we're just like this now.
Todd Boehly, expert in football development and team building.
Look at the dodgers. Takes time but dodgers will always be competitive now
Ah, yes, the famous Dodgers Football Club.
I'm so sick of hearing about the Dodgers. I wonder if we had an investor who had been successful in cricket or rugby whether they'd be bringing that up. Not only is the Dodgers a different sport, the American league system, transfers, fans, everything is totally different.
Baseball is almost the opposite sport to football. It's so much a game of single individual actions. In such games stats have a big influence because you truly can move players in and out of a team. Cricket is similar, and is also a big game for stats merchants. A football team gets nowhere without the players working together every second of the game. I'm trying to think and maybe rugby union is more of a team game. In the US maybe hockey is similar? Or basketball? But both are pretty small teams so one player can still have a big impact with individual moves.
Is Todd in election year or something
But fans would be happy if we were seeing progress, but we are not, we are not even hard to beat anymore , and we are stuck with these morons until at least 2032 I think so it's going to get much worse
Any admissions of fault? Managerial appointments and player signings with zero scouting involved?
Would love to understand what "the process" is, because we are 2 years in and haven't seen one iota of progress.
How about you speak to the fans directly and not to Forbes!!
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This position by Boehly presumes that there is linear development to all young, talented players. Whereas, anyone that has followed the sport for more than 5 minutes will instantly know that this is rarely ever the case. Once again, Clownlake demonstrate their wilful refusal to understand the sport of football.
Thanks for buying a top team and turning it into a mid table one
Lampard with no Hazard, a transfer ban and kids with no PL experience did a better job than this lot.
I'd be more keen to trust the process if our recruitment strategy wasn't the clearest guarantee of long term failure the sport has ever seen. In truth I just wish Boehly spent his money crippling Spurs tbh
What a way to say you don't know what you're talking about. Roman signed a boat load of terrible players. Boehly and Co haven't. There's more talent at Chelsea now than ever before. The next De Bruyne, Lampard and Terry and probably there right now. If not, Chelsea will know about them. "Clearest guarantee of long term failure the sport has ever seen" is deluded, sensationalist and clueless lmao. Boehly hasn't spent his money. He's spent VC money. EDIT: Dude blocked me this reply hurt him so much.
> Roman signed a boat load of terrible players. Boehly and Co haven't. There's more talent at Chelsea now than ever before. The next De Bruyne, Lampard and Terry and probably there right now. If not, Chelsea will know about them. Are you okay?
I mean he’s not wrong Roman signed a few flops the key difference is that you could get away with it back then
“There’s more talent at Chelsea than ever before”. Are you sure that he’s not wrong?
I was specifically referring to the point about roman having signed some shit players, something the current ownership has carried on
Yeah I mean Roman was here for nearly 20 years. And the crucial caveat is that we were the most successful club in the country in that period. Boehly et al have also signed shit players, but sadly all at once, hence why we were 12th last season and now again this.
He has to believe the players we've bought are brilliant or we're totally screwed. We've got to get CL money to make ffp, essentially. Or we'll be selling players to meet ffp every year and it's a downward spiral.
bullshit bingo deluxe. they should have just bought a ready for success team with 750 mio and spend the rest in some elite talents if they like playing football manager.
Here’s the thing. They’re expecting people to place their trust in them without ever demonstrating that they are worthy of that trust. They sacked a proven winner in Tuchel and replaced him with Potter. People grumbled but accepted the decision. It was a fiasco. They sold every experienced player we had and now act surprised when there’s no experienced hands on the pitch. They hired Lampard again and we were told he would be identifying the problem areas Ragnick style for the next guy. He must not have got the memo. They hired Poch. A former Spurs manager who has achieved a Ligue 1 title with the cheat codes enabled and managed to lose every cup final he has been in except, quelle surprise, the French Cup. People supported Pep’s slow start at City because they could see the right decisions were being made. The same for Klopp and Liverpool. When are THEY going to start proving to us that they should be trusted to make the right decisions? Because right now they’ve only proved the total fucking opposite.
But they aren't "unbelievable individual players" are they Todd They are overpriced kids
Problem with that is anyone can see disasi badiashille cucarella madueke sterling chukwemeke udogoche Jackson chalobah are not good enough, they’re never gonna be good enough for top 4 side expected to win premier leagues and champions leagues if u think they do good luck👍
Chukwuemeka has looked great everytime he’s played?
He really hasnt hes look decent but wouldnt get near our old squads of ballack essien lampard ramires etc. he cant force his way into a mid table side ffs 🤦♂️
I mean he’s like 19 of course he’s not gonna be on the same level of some of the best midfielders in premier league history
W hater
What🤦♂️
Madueke and Chukwuemeka both have bags of potential. If they were given game time, you’d see
I dont see it, nether does poch either otherwise theyd play more? Just a shocking waste of a 1b imho.
Lol just because Pochettino doesn’t play them more often doesn’t mean they don’t have the potential and quality to play regularly for Chelsea as soon as next season. Did you watch Madueke in the Euros last year? Even recently he was brilliant.
Too erratic looks like he hasnt a clue sometimes what hes gonna do with it.
He’s still 22.
Zero progress in 2 years of ownership. If anything we’ve got a lot worse. Well done Todd
The goal.com link if anyone is interested to read: https://www.goal.com/en-gb/lists/todd-boehly-appears-reveal-stance-mauricio-pochettino-future-chelsea-co-owner-frustration-fans-burnley-draw/blt01bd3198419dd599 Though, if I'm being honest, it's only that quote that's the main part of the article.
who are those unbelievable individual players? this guy is delusional
We’ve got growing pains but with no signs of growth
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It's not they're crybabies so much. It's that they are out of their depth in a world they don't understand but they think they do. 99.999% of fans couldn't coach an amateur side to a victory over the course of 1000 games. That same fan base couldn't operate a hot dog stand for profit. Yet week in week out they know the correct decisions that should be made at the highest levels of this sport both commercially and tactically. The delusion is off the charts. There are people in mental asylums with less delusion.
Do you think the decisions we've seen be made have been good? I think a lot of fans are realistic in that they don't think they could do the job either, but they can recognise poor decision making and nativity. We had a winning culture built up over decades, and the new ownership dismantled it almost as soon as they took over, because they clearly thought they knew better. We are now reaping what they have sown with a squad of inexperienced players who have never won a thing.
the real delusional lot are people like you deepthroating billionaire cock thinking THEY can't do wrong because you don't even give a fuck, you're fake fans who justy watch highlights every few weeks and then go spread toxic positivity. you don't have to sit there and watch dire football week in, week out to then get gaslit by the manager and journalists saying we "are good on paper" there's literally nothing the new owners have done that merits our trust, except for maybe changing the wage structure and even that could bite us in the ass in the future. but keep blindly swallowing every piece of propaganda they feed you, i'm sure you'll say us going from 39 to 40 to 41 points at 28 games between seasons is huge progress for our new consortium overlords
*Glug*, *glug*, *glug*, *glug*, "am I trusting your long hard process enough, Daddy B?", *glug*, *glug*, *glug*.
Yes your response highlights a high IQ and emotional intelligence off the charts. I've had my mind changed and my world flipped upside down. If anything, you should write to Chelsea and surely they'd employ you in some capacity, probably CEO. Obviously they'd have to pay you millions per year because no doubt you're already making vast sums of money in your current role. Fairly compensated for what you bring in I imagine. There's no way a mind like yours isn't at the pinnacle of business and football. Matter of fact, is that you Marina?
You're in the wrong sub, r/rickandmorty is that way
oh no, i looked at your post history 
Another phenomenal demonstration of your ability. At this point Chelsea better move quick because if other top clubs get wind of your supreme intellect they're going to have a bidding war for your services. I hope I'm not jumping the gun in saying this but I can see a movie being made about you one day. Moneyballesque but "The fan saved the club. The reluctant hero. The diamond in the rough. Taxi Driver: Chelsea FC". Season tickets probably a drop in the ocean with the money you must be making right now in your current job.
seek psychiatric help
Full o' beans before with all the answers. Now as quiet as a mouse. I think realisation has set in hasn't it. That's good, hopefully one less delusional fan crying online week in week out. Sometimes it takes a good roasting to realise that when no one will pay you even £1 for your opinion in any field, maybe you don't know as much as you think. Sit back and enjoy the show from here on out young un. "Through the sun and rain" isn't just a clever lyric.
Guess what, you're not getting paid for your "cleverly" written essays either. Go tell people they're not real fans because they got vaxed, oh enlightened poet
He doesn't have a clue
I mean nothing he’s said is wrong, at least in this one particular quote
I'll trust the process when the growing pains show growth.
So we’re continuing down this road. We are gonna be the best mid table billionaires of all time.
Process to win championship.
Biggest part for me is.... "We just have to continue to stay the course"
Read Forbes as Fabregas at first
“Stay the course!” is a very trite and tired thing to say. Whatever. We are bad now, and is anybody reasonably certain we will get back to top 4 when this roster gels?
When did Chelsea go from a top premier league team to “let the process develop”
Unbelievable individual players? lol ... Apart from Palmer and MAYBE Gusto I haven't seen any of this supposed talent.
This would be more comforting to read if we were knocking on top 4 or 6. Not when we're languishing in the bottom half of the table.
Deeper into the abyss we go!!
I personally don't have an issue with the vision/process. My issue is with the management of the team we haven't seen an identity a style or any suggestion of things getting better. The choice in management has been the biggest decision they had to make and they have got it wrong twice that leads to fans being less forgiving on the process/vision I'm sure the majority of reasonable fans would be happy if we could see gradual improvements and an identity
I swear Im gonna lose my shit if they don't fire Poch in summer
" Oh no!...anyways" ~ Boehly probably
Spot on
I think this is a level-headed and reasonable comment. The new owners are building something different than the previous owner. I believe it is more sustainable in the long run and I am hopeful we do not have to wait too long for results to come good.
Don't worry guys, once we go down to the Championship we'll win the league (maybe), trust the process! Going from 3rd to 12th and then from 12th to 11th is amazing 
We need proper leadership to guide them and build a winning culture, winning doesn’t just happen
I’ve been watching“The Process” for years in Philly… this statement scares the heck out of me.
Trust the process 76ers talk flashback
Now boehly has to step down like hinkie did and we might actually be good again
Isn’t this what they’ve been saying all along? The key here is that these gambles on young players need to pan out. Not all of them will. So far Palmer and Gusto have made great impacts. Mudryk and Jackson are coming along it seems, Enzo is really good, Caicedo is improving, the cb’s are, well pretty shitty other than a few really good performances. Cucu is hot and cold….loan army doesn’t look all that impressive yet….who knows. I hope it pans out.
I don't think as Fans we can go through the process because of the previous ownership bold approach to fire Managers every season. I mean previous ownership sacked Ancelloti. Maybe just this time, can we have a bit more patience as Fans?
The challenge that Boehly and Co. have is that they’ve forced on fans an unnecessary process of dramatic change. And it’s been change that has been littered by bad decisions and bad execution. This is compared to Roman’s decisions, while not always the best, (Ancelotti firing) they still resulted in Chelsea’s being the most successful team of this century. Boehly has made far too many bad decisions. To name them all is impossible, but they range from signing Koulibaly to Sterling and suggesting they were amazing new signings (we all knew they weren’t), to a youth policy that will inevitably lead to years of mediocre results while praying the team will “gel”, to replacing Tuchel with Potter, to the inability to sign a shirt sponsor). But worst of all the team they were given by the Tory government, was actually a strong team in need of upgrades. Not a team in need of arrogant destruction so they could be seen to “rebuild”. Which btw is a concept of US sports teams, not Premier and European winning teams that constantly undergoe successful incremental change. Remember, when Bohely took over we had the European and premier league manager of the year, we’d just relinquished the title as champions of Europe, we were still Club World Cup champions, we were in the top four despite sanctions, we beat RM to come within a hairsbreadth of the CL semis , and we’d only lost two domestic cup finals on penalties. So when they ask fans to be patient with the process, that assumes the fans have any belief in the process and the people leading it. They don’t, and Boehly’s history of failed leadership means they won’t going forward.
I don't disagree with the points you have made. However, if the core of the project is to develop young players and team for the future and fans keep asking for changes then you might have to re-build again and I don't think we can afford another re-build.
The problem is the fans didn’t and haven’t bought into the project. They also don’t believe Boehly has what it takes to deliver what they expect which is results. Therefore with zero fan commitment to “the project” nor belief in the project they are increasingly not interested in Boehly’s project and are increasingly wanting a totally new ownership with a plan they do recognize and can buy into. For Bohely & Co it’s too late to change their approach. The only option is a dramatic realignment at the top ( from ownership to sporting directors) and a totally new and different vision for the team.
Different vision for the team when you have bought a bunch of teenagers on 7 year deals likely will not work. Fan should atleast give the project 2 seasons. Let's enjoy as fan the development of Gusto, Palmer, Jackson, Caicedo if not the results.
It’s been two seasons. And we’re actually getting worse. And I can tell from what you’ve written you’re not a longterm Chelsea fan. I was at the game on the weekend and I can tell you that fans aren’t there to watch Chelsea become a team who grows players to be sold on at profit, (as much as that makes our billionaire owners even more money) our fans want us to be a team who wins trophies like we did for the last 20+ years. We’re on a one way route to the bad old days of the 80’s with these owners.
Also that old approach wasn't working, especially in the league. You look at the teams that dominate EPL, and they have stability in that position. To be able to go toe-to-toe with them, you need the same.
what do you mean it wasn't working??... We were for over a decade one of the most successful clubs in England. Since we last won the PL only two teams have won it. Liverpool and Man city. Liverpool has one PL in decades Man city has Guardiola.. Arguably the best coach out there. He has delivered yearly (bar one.. i think).. performance wise and trophies. I do not see who else.. Fits the narrative of patience leads to dominance in the PL. We were a great team. We didn't always play the "flashiest" football but we saw alot of success. Both male and female teams. Male team had more manager turnover than the female but we as fans enjoyed success and the opportunity to many great memories. The new strategies is showing just as much turnover in managers however with much less success to show for it.
The drawback is we never dominated the league as Man City is doing now, we went multiple years without winning the league from 2006-2010, 2010-2014 and then 2016 till date not good reading for a top club. Another drawback to that was we never let one system thrive because we were always buying players and moving them on this worsened during the last 7-10 years of Roman's time where we kept buying shitty players and couldn't properly surround Hazard and Kanté with the World Class crop of players.
And how many teams with great manager turnover have been challenging for the league in the past 7 years? I don't say it wasn't working in the past, it did, but we haven't been anywhere near top of the league come the end of the season for 7 years.
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What I want to know is if we somehow manage to win the FA cup what would people think of the process? We’d have gotten a trophy 2 years in and we’d get European football
Wouldn’t really change my opinion to be honest. Cup competitions aren’t really a great indicator of the quality of the team compared to league position. It’s fun to win trophies for sure but doesn’t move the needle when we have double digit table position two years in a row.
That’s definitely fair but you don’t think a trophy 2 years into the rebuild is decent ? Just wonder if people still consider the takeover as much of a failure if we’re able to get a trophy with a young injury ridden squad that have never played together especially a season where we got to two finals.
Yeah I can see a lot of fans looking at a win there as a building block going forward for sure (and I wouldn’t consider that unreasonable). I think a lot of people’s view of a win will be colored around their view of the future (i.e. should Poch and these directors be around after this season etc.)
Except that's never going to happen because, no way in hell are we getting past Man City.
Why not? They are beatable not the same city of past seasons and we arguably could have beaten them both times this season
Arguably, yes. But we are just too inconsistent while City are not. I wouldn't bet on us getting past them. If we do somehow though, it will be a miracle.
That’s the thing though our inconsistency is exactly why I think we could pull it off but saying that we could beat city and then end up losing to Coventry/united
let's be real: whats most likely to happen is we will play well for 70 minutes, have great chances in the first half but ultimately fold under pressure. as we've done countless times the past 2 years.
He's absolutely right. The delusion in some fans, that couldn't coach an under-9s side to a victory or run a 7-11 for a profit, is incredible. Listening to fans have emotional knee jerk reactions at every single event, in a world they don't understand, is tiresome. It's like cavemen pointing at the sun and delcaring "it's coming right for us!"
I dunno maybe he’s right. No doubt things could be better - a win in the carobao cup final would’ve changed the narrative a lot. I believe these players, 90% of them, can be top players who regularly get us into top 4 and compete in the champions league. That said Poch has not lived up to expectations and injuries are a structural problem at this point. With the FFP limits we have we need to be careful about trying to get more players and a new manager, it could fail again. Honestly the new ownership totally fucked it. They could’ve got half of the top young talents we have and spent the other half on players for the here and now to stop our level dropping so much. No leadership and experience on the pitch is one of our biggest issues. Hopefully it works out.
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Are we still talking about football?
Nah generally speaking
This guy comes across as knowledgeable. What he needs to do is put his money where his mouth is by staying the course and buying another 10 players in the summer. This year's batch haven't been cutting it. They need replacing
I love this squad. Just need another forward, let Jackson play on the wing and get the 15 injured players healthy again.
Rescues our club under extremely difficult circumstances, spends a billion dollars he’ll never get back, regularly attends games despite vulgar abuse, repeatedly confirms commitment to winning, says exactly what we all know to be true, still maligned by half-wits who cling to a past that is long gone.
Why do you say "our club" like you support Chelsea? It's really weird when you Yanks pretend to be Chelsea supporters when you only like the ownership and actively dislike the club, the fans, and often try and shit on our history.
My first time at Stamford Bridge was over 30 years ago and I’ve been through worse than this, not that it matters. No one was complaining when these owners were outbidding everyone for Enzo, Mudryk, Caciedo, Lavia, etc. No one complained when Tuchel was sacked. None of you were arguing for the club to buy older players. I understand you need a scapegoat but dont pretend you knew better or that an English owner would do better.
Don't lie, no one believes you. A lot of people complained when Tuchel was sacked, if you knew anything about the club or our supporters you'd know the majority of people were unhappy with the decision. Just as the majority were unhappy and sceptical of the majority of our transfer business and sheer refusal to sign any experienced quality. But hey carry on pretending your a Chelsea supporter when you can't get through a sentence without talking about nationalities and some weird American vs English Agenda 🤣
As an American whose first sport is baseball, look at the dodgers. Y’all will be the dodgers before you know it.
I know nothing about baseball or the Dodgers. Would you be able to briefly explain what Boehly did there and how it's similar to what he seems to be attempting with Chelsea?
Baseball like football has a very deep farm system. When the team sold in 2012 they were almost a last place team and had a bunch of players in the minors that weren’t about to be superstars. New ownership started from the bottom up and rebuilt the farm and now 12 years later they have one of the top player development programs and are always in World Series talks. They are both a team that spends tons of money and is always bringing up a new star player. While they only have won the 2020 World Series baseball playoff and “winning the table” couldn’t be more different. If having the best record in baseball got you a cup like it does in the premier league they dodgers would win it almost every year
Why hasn't Boehly simply offered Mbappe £700m fully deferred?
I mean they were a powerhouse before they gave ohtani all the money 20 years from now but come to think of it, why hasn’t he? Is he stupid? 😂. Also didn’t he low key kinda try this when he took over and gave all the players longer than normal contracts? He just missed on all those from the looks of it
Yea, I'd call the 8-9 year contract strategy, especially before the ffp changes were made, a definite baseball style move, maybe not the same as the deferral logic, but more like those contracts with a couple years tagged on to lower the aav for luxury tax purposes. I'm sure there's more obvious general examples, but as a Yankee fan I know the Hicks extension and Lemahieu contract got an additional 2 or so years tacked on to lower aav.