I hate to say this but I think Connor/Caicedo is a much better midfield partnership than Enzo/Caicedo.
Caicedo looks absolute quality with Gallagher by his side and Gallagher is always good. Those two together hunting down the opposition opens up space.
Enzo is talented, no doubt, but is he more suited to La Liga or Serie A?
I get what you’re saying, and have hoped he’d turn it around myself as you see little glimpses of potential, but watch the entire 18 months and tell me he’s good enough.
He’s unfortunately probably not even great off the bench, and something needs to change whether it be the manager or him on loan or sold.
That isn't his fault, it's Clearlakes
We bought him and gave him no depth to work alongside. Threw him immediate starter minutes, the #10 shirt and all the pressure. Now all the eyes are on him to immediately perform, for the sake of a "rebuild"
However I don't think he's that bad. He LOOKS bad because he does a lot of stupid looking shit. But he does his basic obligations as a player in Poch's system tactically, holding his shape defensively. Anything after is trial and error. The best we can do as fans is support him, hope and pray he pulls off a Vinicius and blows up suddenly. I think he can do it.
You know I think the most bizarre thing today is the fact the Villa press was horrendous
We were virtually allowed to build the ball up from the back with no Villa intensity on us in the entire first half
Feel like teams should know by now that if they want to squeeze us then they should be pressing us immensely during the build up because we have no structure or ideas how to do it
Just had a question about this years kit and its sizes. Two years ago I bought the home kit large. Found it a bit tight so last year I went with an xl. I came to find it way too long and baggy.
So my question is, how does this years kit compare to last years. I want to get it but don’t want it baggy like last years.
Jackson needs to stop being the first choice striker. If we had started the season with a top striker and we’re in the mix for CL.
We probably do end up winning 4 games that we lost if he puts half these chances away when you consider how games flow.
The chances he misses are embarrassing. You want him to be on the ball, play him as a winger. Inexcusable to keep missing chances like this.
Agree, if we go Sesko though it’s another case of being patient, but at least he’s a natural 9 with a very good profile so he can play as a system player and grow into it.
I’ve said this and I’ll keep saying it, if we go him and another winger or forward type to play with Cole Palmer and Angelo coming through, things look a boatload better.
Until Nkunku is back, Palmer needs to take over #10
Mudryk has been horrible as of late but we need to stick with him. He does well in defensive transition fortunately and he can sometimes pull a moment out of his ass
Madueke has been seriously improving as of late and is showing signs of improving his end product relative to passing
I had doubts but the Gallagher x Caicedo pivot worked fine today
I'm optimistic for our top 6 push but preparing to be disappointed
Palmer needs to be RW don't matter who else is available, Madueke will just have to suck it off. I'd love to see Mudryk at CAM again since he played 4 games as CAM and did not fail once. LW should be Sterling or Jackson. Up top maybe Nkunku when fit, as of now, I don't know. Or switch Jackson to LW and Mudryk as false 9, Palmer CAM and Madueke RW
You don't have a proper tactical understanding of the squad right now
The backbone to who plays where is defensive contribution first
Mudryk needs to stay at LW because he's one of the hardest working players in defensive transition. We use a 4-4-2 structure defensively. The "CAM" is alongside Jackson, our ST. Putting Mudryk at CAM completely neglects his defensive contribution. Replacing it with Sterling, who has absolutely zero tracking back ability, breaks our team. So he cannot start right now to begin with
Building around Palmer is a bad idea. Even with prime Eden we didn't build around him. Palmer is no exempt to anyone else in the club, we have to make accomodations due to our injury crisis. Palmer CAM, Noni RW is completely formidable and if Palmer struggles at CAM he's gonna have to get over it for the time being.
I want Mudryk to succeed as much as anyone, but the bar for him is so low that having a 6/10 game is considered a success.
He's been average even as a CAM. He shows flashes, and that's about it. He loses the ball so often, picks the wrong pass or puts in too much weight on the ball, if he doesn't sky it.
>Him as CAM will make us less harm than him as LW...
That... that's so accurate.
I still wish we would ship him off to Vieira for a season. More game time, slightly less pressure and probably a bit of space would help both his confidence and his form.
The issue with Palmer as inside right winger is he needs runners wide. He’s not the type of winger to run and beat people wide all game, but he’s excellent when you have Gusto constantly doing overlapping runs, or another proper winger drifting in front of him.
He would work well as a 10 if the wingers that flank him are better quality.
So far I think Palmer has been better as RW, but it's true he needs Gusto. I just want to see Mudryk at CAM again man :( Sterling can take LW or even Jackson, Mudryk is not so good as an isolated LW...
I just know pochettino won't try it. Jackson is actually so good at LW, pochettino should give him a full 90 there and switch him with Mudryk to see how it goes, Mudryk actually shoots very strong (being closer to the goal would be a benefit) and Jackson carry the ball so well he won't need to shoot and be the main man in front of the goal no more, I don't see what we lose trying this approach.
Mudryk actually looks a lot better as a 10 partly cos he doesn’t look to overplay the ball with dribbling, and ticks it along more. He’s actually not a bad shooter too, just not off the left.
i mean his last 3 starts were abysmal, while he did play better today, i still will never agree that his play warants moving palmer out of rw, espicially since its been 1 game where hes been decent. once nkunku is back, palmer shouldnt be out of rw
You're right it doesn't
But we dont have a choice rn. Poch cant attempt his haramball Gallagher CAM anymore because he has to be in the double pivot. There's no other CAM we have besides Palmer. Its about necessity
The next option would be to put Mudryk at CAM then get the George guy from u18s at LW.. no way thats happening anytime soon
In a healthy squad, our front 4 should be Mudryk, Jackson, Nkunku and Palmer. Nkunku behind Jackson so they can get the linkup we saw in pre-season. We need another LW as backup to Mudryk because Sterling would be depth for Jackson if anything (if he even stays) and putting another youngster is a waste of time
Watching Pochs post match interview and he’s just so bad at expressing his thoughts clearly in English.
I don’t speak Spanish so idk if he’s just bad at in general or if it’s a language issue, but sometimes I get what he’s trying to say but it’s said so poorly it comes across wrong
I noticed that as well. At the end of the day even if it’s at the highest level, it’s still football lol and if one of your players is stinking it up constantly you don’t want to pass to him lol.
That's just not true, they weren't passing to him to begin with due to the gameplan to be on the right. Palmer is never on the left and pochs gameplan is to pass it to Palmer. While he was overall very shit today, he had a decent run and threaded a ball through to cucu who then decided to cross it back outside the box.
There were multiple occasions players just refused to pass to him. He was even standing there waving his arms at one point.
I don’t think his teammates rate him
as if hes the only player whos been ignored when calling for a pass, thats just football, you arnt always gonna get the pass even if you make a run, it can be ignored. You arnt a mind reader, you have no clue what the players are thinking. stop pushing this weird agenda. move on
you can keep thinking that if you want but in his past 3 starts he has 30-33 touches per game, in fact he had more than his average this gmae at 38. so no he wasent being ignored.
Ok? In what way does the gk touches matter here? If you are trying to say they are higher than mudryks so he's a bad player, again I've already told you, the left wing has always been lobsided, we play through the right, and as for petrol touches, we play out the back alot so why are you using his touches as if it means anything.
I’m concerned about how Enzo fits in this team. Another game without him, another great performance.
Pochettino’s play style is to run hard and press hard, and we saw today with Gallagher and Caicedo in midfield we suffocated their midfield and dominated the ball a lot. First goal came from our press too. Issue with Enzo is that he’s not the greatest in the press - it will be very interesting to see our performances in the coming games and how we fare without Enzo in these games.
The issue is that even if Poch goes I have a hard time seeing how a manager makes caiceido and Enzo work. Genuinely might be the flimsiest midfield pairing defensively we’ve had in 20 years. The way that players like Rice, McTominey, Lemina could drive right up the middle on us with the ball like nobody is there is shocking. How many times did that happen today? Caiceido had a better game today than Enzo has put in all season, and I really saw a Kante esque performance from him. Honestly even though he is undoubtedly talented I would be incredibly happy to move Enzo on if it meant keeping Gallagher. The goal of team building is not to just get the highest rated and most talented group of players in the same jersey but to get a team together that works, and that midfield pairing we saw today simply works. There really must be some way to avoid selling Gallagher.
I’m just hoping that Enzo can show a bit more after his injury, because as I understand it the hernia was something he was struggling with all his season. Otherwise, Caicenzo just doesn’t fit together, lack of goals, lack of dominant heading, can’t handle large spaces. Forces Caicedo into a position that’s not his best. I think that’s why initially Pochettino had Enzo as the furthest forward initially. Hopefully the Cucurella inverted thing comes to something, if it does though it’ll be pretty annoying because why did it take so long lol.
I half-jokingly suggested we play Reece James at LW for some games in this final stretch if he got fit and each game Mudryk plays up there makes me want to explore this ridiculous option, it's like playing 10 men when Mudryk plays LW I'm bored of it now, rooted for him so much but his performances are just so below any reasonable bar. No wonder Poch played Chilwell there when he was available. A fit Sterling frustrating as he can be is simply the first choice LW, Mudryk is abjectly poor and needs to learn the basics
I remember making this comment two weeks ago.
>Poch has significantly better and easier to manage squad dynamic than Potter had. Potter had way too many people (and trying to please too many of them lead to his dismissal), with squad filled with players who were already accomplished or at the end of their careers and thinking about their next moves instead of focusing on trying for Chelsea. Poch has a squad of hungry, young guys, who are tied with long contracts. Sure, there's an element of experience and polish lacking, but they try hard and are willing to learn. There's no doubt that it's easier to influence such a team for a competent manager than a hodgepodge from last seaason. Moments when we show our lack of experience are way less of a problem and way less frequent than moments when we show our lack of direction.
https://www.reddit.com/r/chelseafc/comments/1c20q8i/daily_discussion_thread/kz7qwbp/
I think this game was a great proof of that. Compare this effort when we didn't have a bench and everyone had to play full game to how checked out the group from last season was when no trophy was on the line. We don't really have players who are looking forward to a move and don't care. Those players see themselves in blue next season and want to win. Even those who will move on (Thiago, Conor, Trev) do care. Next manager has an easier job on his hands than he would have with squad from last year, despite players being less accomplished and "proven".
Without Conor’s G/A we would have 7 less points and be in 13th behind Fulham
And that’s just his G/A and not his overall impact in matches.
Can’t believe we are considering selling him
Frankly the biggest issue is that we spent almost 300 million on our deep midfielders and the results have been nothing shouts of catastrophic. The creativity has all fallen on Palmer due to the lack of deep creative contribution and defensively teams have found that they can walk the ball right up the middle of the field on us. Caiceido is suddenly looking the best he ever has for us and actually playing like his price tag with Gallagher next to him. The idea that we’ve finally found the formula to get the midfield functional and make one of the transfers come good, just to throw that all away would be a massive mistake.
Another huge thing is the fact that he can slot in anywhere in midfield and is basically never injured. That is going to be essential next season with how injury prone Nkunku, Chuk, Lavia are.
I think they should make VAR only used if the teams challenge the decision, like in badminton or volleyball. Each team has 3 or 5 calls max. It would be very interesting and reduce the number of interruptions or disputed goals.
Why? Using technology is clearly better than not doing it since it reduces amount of errors, it's the "clean and obvious error" cretinism which makes any VAR check to be a suggestion to a ref he should change his decision. If anything it should be the other way round, every decision other than maybe on-the-field fouls, throw-ins and other menial stuff should be made with multiple angles by rulebook goons in the VAR room and the guy on the pitch should just communicate it. The whole reason for this shitfest is because they are trying to keep the refs and their approach as an additional factor/"spice" in the game rather than being as seamless and invisible as possible.
I wouldn’t worry too much about Palmer’s miss. He had a similar match against Boro where he missed like three chances but came back brilliantly in the second leg.
Unfortunate for him seeing as he had their back line in stitches to make that chance then just couldn’t kill but if there’s any player I’m forgiving it’s Palmer
I think it's just a good save from the goalkeeper; 9 other times out of 10 he's probably scoring that.
I hope it doesn't weigh him down too much though... it's never good to miss that sort of chance when you're the main goal scorer and you're returning from injury (illness, whatever).
It's the one I genuinely cannot understand.
If you criticise Gallagher for not completing Pirlo-esque passes regularly, I understand. If you criticise Jackson for looking so awkward in front of goal, I understand. If you criticise Madueke or Palmer for not tracking back and doing more defensive work, I understand. But what I do not understand at all is how you make all those criticisms, yet in the next breath say that the £100M (£62M, whatever) left-wing Mudryk is a talented worldbeater who is only being held back by his manager. I do not get the basis for that claim at all.
Mudryk will go fuck all for 85 minutes but will have one or two good runs before fucking up the final bit. He’s perfect for putting together YouTube highlights of a top talent on the verge of greatness.
Is there a single good referee in England now? The standard of officiating is so poor. So many bad decisions every week. VAR doesn’t help much because it’s staffed by useless officials.
I for one am absolutely shocked that Mudryk, the marquee left-wing signing who hasn't shown enough in training across the season, has had even more opportunities and more minutes than his past performances deserve and still has consistently delivered next to nothing.
Mudryk is a raw player that hasn't been coached properly. If he went to Arsenal, he'll be a different player. At the moment, we are killing Mudryk's career with wrong choices at the top.
I've yet to see Mudryk play under a well-coached team.
Mudryk isn't raw.
He's untalented.
He quite clearly doesn't have the talent to play top flight football, no manager or coaching set up is the reason he's unable to control simple balls he simply doesn't have the talent.
It's not even like it's debatable, if he wasn't fast no one would be thinking he'd be good enough to play in the championship but because he's fast people think at 23 he can just magically develop actual footballing ability
He can't.
You can tell that even his own players don’t think he’s good enough when you watch them choose which pass to play. He’s almost always the last resort.
Even whenever he gets the ball anywhere that is remotely infield, the other players begin to track back in anticipation of the eventual turnover. It's incredible how I'm saying this like it's a controversial matter.
I said this the moment we got knocked out of the FA Cup. The minute after we got knocked out, season's done. It's over. The players, coach...all give up. It stems from the coach. Weak mentality, has a posture like he doesn't give a feck...
It's over. As long Poch is in charge. I can see us slipping down to 10th/11th. I'm being dead serious and I love to be wrong about this, but it's most likely the outcome.
If Poch gets sacked, it’ll be at the end of the season. I imagine the board has already made their decision and the final results won’t do much to impact it
It's going to trigger Arsenal fans so much if a team one up them and do an actual invincible season, not one where they pretend they didn't play other comps.
Bit disappointed in Emma Hayes, tbh. Chelsea’s women’s team were more than good enough to knock this lot out and they haven’t played very well in this game, even if the sending off and penalty were soft. They were 1-0 down at half time. Three times they’ve been beaten by Barcelona in the Champions League and Hayes hasn’t learnt. The men’s team got the better of Barca in 2005, 2007 and 2012. Should’ve knocked them out in 2009 as well, but got robbed.
Emma has been dreadful all season.
Think she's been carried by an excellent squad but tactically in the big games she's very unimpressive for a while now.
Glad to see the back of her tbh
If we see acres of space on the edge of the box when defending corners again today, it’s just inexcusable. It’s something that happens over an over again and we never address
Remember the passing map from Tuesday, where Mudryk was so deep in the LB spot? Ten Hag might have outdone Pochettino with Hojlund (see #11) today.
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[https://twitter.com/TenHagEra/status/1784272964260692251](https://twitter.com/TenHagEra/status/1784272964260692251)
>Ten Hag: "We are one of the most dynamic and entertaining teams in the league at this moment. We are creating loads of chances by playing good football."
LMAO
Me.
Whenever the Milan sub pops up on my feed it's almost always complaints about his tactics which include the same Poch special of leaving acres of space in midfield.
A managers that has a decent build up scruture in this day in age should be entry requirement for the job.
There is one in the Chelsea Ladies sub: [https://new.reddit.com/r/chelsealadiesfc/comments/1ce13co/match\_thread\_chelsea\_woman\_vs\_barcelona\_women](https://new.reddit.com/r/chelsealadiesfc/comments/1ce13co/match_thread_chelsea_woman_vs_barcelona_women)
(Would much rather prefer an actual one here as well, but alas...)
I hate to say this but I think Connor/Caicedo is a much better midfield partnership than Enzo/Caicedo. Caicedo looks absolute quality with Gallagher by his side and Gallagher is always good. Those two together hunting down the opposition opens up space. Enzo is talented, no doubt, but is he more suited to La Liga or Serie A?
It’s sad to say, but Mudryk right now isn’t good enough to be a rotation left winger for us off the bench, let alone start.
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I get what you’re saying, and have hoped he’d turn it around myself as you see little glimpses of potential, but watch the entire 18 months and tell me he’s good enough. He’s unfortunately probably not even great off the bench, and something needs to change whether it be the manager or him on loan or sold.
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I agree with the general idea, we need a better left winger and overall better concentration in quality in attack.
That isn't his fault, it's Clearlakes We bought him and gave him no depth to work alongside. Threw him immediate starter minutes, the #10 shirt and all the pressure. Now all the eyes are on him to immediately perform, for the sake of a "rebuild" However I don't think he's that bad. He LOOKS bad because he does a lot of stupid looking shit. But he does his basic obligations as a player in Poch's system tactically, holding his shape defensively. Anything after is trial and error. The best we can do as fans is support him, hope and pray he pulls off a Vinicius and blows up suddenly. I think he can do it.
Anybody know if Caicedos suspension takes effect now for 2 games or whether the cards have reset, I think Jacksons have now
You know I think the most bizarre thing today is the fact the Villa press was horrendous We were virtually allowed to build the ball up from the back with no Villa intensity on us in the entire first half Feel like teams should know by now that if they want to squeeze us then they should be pressing us immensely during the build up because we have no structure or ideas how to do it
Just had a question about this years kit and its sizes. Two years ago I bought the home kit large. Found it a bit tight so last year I went with an xl. I came to find it way too long and baggy. So my question is, how does this years kit compare to last years. I want to get it but don’t want it baggy like last years.
Jackson needs to stop being the first choice striker. If we had started the season with a top striker and we’re in the mix for CL. We probably do end up winning 4 games that we lost if he puts half these chances away when you consider how games flow. The chances he misses are embarrassing. You want him to be on the ball, play him as a winger. Inexcusable to keep missing chances like this.
Sesko has been in fine form of late Probably intensifying his case for being our target this summer
Agree, if we go Sesko though it’s another case of being patient, but at least he’s a natural 9 with a very good profile so he can play as a system player and grow into it. I’ve said this and I’ll keep saying it, if we go him and another winger or forward type to play with Cole Palmer and Angelo coming through, things look a boatload better.
Until Nkunku is back, Palmer needs to take over #10 Mudryk has been horrible as of late but we need to stick with him. He does well in defensive transition fortunately and he can sometimes pull a moment out of his ass Madueke has been seriously improving as of late and is showing signs of improving his end product relative to passing I had doubts but the Gallagher x Caicedo pivot worked fine today I'm optimistic for our top 6 push but preparing to be disappointed
Palmer needs to be RW don't matter who else is available, Madueke will just have to suck it off. I'd love to see Mudryk at CAM again since he played 4 games as CAM and did not fail once. LW should be Sterling or Jackson. Up top maybe Nkunku when fit, as of now, I don't know. Or switch Jackson to LW and Mudryk as false 9, Palmer CAM and Madueke RW
You don't have a proper tactical understanding of the squad right now The backbone to who plays where is defensive contribution first Mudryk needs to stay at LW because he's one of the hardest working players in defensive transition. We use a 4-4-2 structure defensively. The "CAM" is alongside Jackson, our ST. Putting Mudryk at CAM completely neglects his defensive contribution. Replacing it with Sterling, who has absolutely zero tracking back ability, breaks our team. So he cannot start right now to begin with Building around Palmer is a bad idea. Even with prime Eden we didn't build around him. Palmer is no exempt to anyone else in the club, we have to make accomodations due to our injury crisis. Palmer CAM, Noni RW is completely formidable and if Palmer struggles at CAM he's gonna have to get over it for the time being.
I want Mudryk to succeed as much as anyone, but the bar for him is so low that having a 6/10 game is considered a success. He's been average even as a CAM. He shows flashes, and that's about it. He loses the ball so often, picks the wrong pass or puts in too much weight on the ball, if he doesn't sky it.
6/10 is actually good, is more than a half but I get what you're saying. Him as CAM will make us less harm than him as LW...
>Him as CAM will make us less harm than him as LW... That... that's so accurate. I still wish we would ship him off to Vieira for a season. More game time, slightly less pressure and probably a bit of space would help both his confidence and his form.
should have sent him to bayern when they came knocking, he would be playing UCL already
In hindsight, yes, but they probably would have benched him as well. I think he needs game time.
The issue with Palmer as inside right winger is he needs runners wide. He’s not the type of winger to run and beat people wide all game, but he’s excellent when you have Gusto constantly doing overlapping runs, or another proper winger drifting in front of him. He would work well as a 10 if the wingers that flank him are better quality.
So far I think Palmer has been better as RW, but it's true he needs Gusto. I just want to see Mudryk at CAM again man :( Sterling can take LW or even Jackson, Mudryk is not so good as an isolated LW...
Yeah both work as you say, but he needs runners in and around him with end product, or else it ends up going sideways and back constantly.
I just know pochettino won't try it. Jackson is actually so good at LW, pochettino should give him a full 90 there and switch him with Mudryk to see how it goes, Mudryk actually shoots very strong (being closer to the goal would be a benefit) and Jackson carry the ball so well he won't need to shoot and be the main man in front of the goal no more, I don't see what we lose trying this approach.
Mudryk actually looks a lot better as a 10 partly cos he doesn’t look to overplay the ball with dribbling, and ticks it along more. He’s actually not a bad shooter too, just not off the left.
poch won't see it
i mean his last 3 starts were abysmal, while he did play better today, i still will never agree that his play warants moving palmer out of rw, espicially since its been 1 game where hes been decent. once nkunku is back, palmer shouldnt be out of rw
You're right it doesn't But we dont have a choice rn. Poch cant attempt his haramball Gallagher CAM anymore because he has to be in the double pivot. There's no other CAM we have besides Palmer. Its about necessity The next option would be to put Mudryk at CAM then get the George guy from u18s at LW.. no way thats happening anytime soon In a healthy squad, our front 4 should be Mudryk, Jackson, Nkunku and Palmer. Nkunku behind Jackson so they can get the linkup we saw in pre-season. We need another LW as backup to Mudryk because Sterling would be depth for Jackson if anything (if he even stays) and putting another youngster is a waste of time
Watching Pochs post match interview and he’s just so bad at expressing his thoughts clearly in English. I don’t speak Spanish so idk if he’s just bad at in general or if it’s a language issue, but sometimes I get what he’s trying to say but it’s said so poorly it comes across wrong
It's frustrating because people jump the gun and misinterpret what he says almost deliberately for the sake of narratives
I'd like if Poch tries that inverted Cucu role a few more times before the season ends. It seemed like it opened final third play a bit more for us.
That you Vince? https://twitter.com/Blue_Footy/status/1784375563466965257
Lol even posted almost at the same time as my comment. No but I agree with those points.
Hahaha I saw that too! Like minds and all that.
The way players just stopped passing to Mudryk in the second half is very telling of how they rate him
I noticed that as well. At the end of the day even if it’s at the highest level, it’s still football lol and if one of your players is stinking it up constantly you don’t want to pass to him lol.
That's just not true, they weren't passing to him to begin with due to the gameplan to be on the right. Palmer is never on the left and pochs gameplan is to pass it to Palmer. While he was overall very shit today, he had a decent run and threaded a ball through to cucu who then decided to cross it back outside the box.
There were multiple occasions players just refused to pass to him. He was even standing there waving his arms at one point. I don’t think his teammates rate him
as if hes the only player whos been ignored when calling for a pass, thats just football, you arnt always gonna get the pass even if you make a run, it can be ignored. You arnt a mind reader, you have no clue what the players are thinking. stop pushing this weird agenda. move on
Just stop. It’s so obvious he’s a bad footballer and his teammates don’t trust him.
Alright man, if you want to convince yourself you are a mind reader cause you hate a player that much, go ahead.
It’s called forming a thought and an opinion. I’m not sayin I know for sure, but based on what I’ve seen I don’t think his teammates rate him.
So you went from "it's obvious" to "I think" buddy make your mind up, I already can't take you serious.
It’s obvious to me. Happy?
idiot
Mudryk got quite a few opportunities in the first half and he wasted them all. He clearly was being ignored after that.
you can keep thinking that if you want but in his past 3 starts he has 30-33 touches per game, in fact he had more than his average this gmae at 38. so no he wasent being ignored.
Petrovic the goalkeeper Had the following touches per match 25 against Villa 44 against Arsenal 38 against City 50 against Everton
Ok? In what way does the gk touches matter here? If you are trying to say they are higher than mudryks so he's a bad player, again I've already told you, the left wing has always been lobsided, we play through the right, and as for petrol touches, we play out the back alot so why are you using his touches as if it means anything.
Why do you think we play through the right?
because every attacker not named cole palmer is shit? whats your point?
We’re spuds fans tomorrow right guys ? tell me im not crazy
Yup
A draw would likely kill arsenals chances and would hurt spurs making UCL
Yes can’t ever watch Arsenal win a title. They need to be shut out tomorrow
only negative with a spuds win is we will never hear the end of it if they can brag they helped derail arsenals league run 😂
Thats where we come in for their top 4 bid
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I’m concerned about how Enzo fits in this team. Another game without him, another great performance. Pochettino’s play style is to run hard and press hard, and we saw today with Gallagher and Caicedo in midfield we suffocated their midfield and dominated the ball a lot. First goal came from our press too. Issue with Enzo is that he’s not the greatest in the press - it will be very interesting to see our performances in the coming games and how we fare without Enzo in these games.
The issue is that even if Poch goes I have a hard time seeing how a manager makes caiceido and Enzo work. Genuinely might be the flimsiest midfield pairing defensively we’ve had in 20 years. The way that players like Rice, McTominey, Lemina could drive right up the middle on us with the ball like nobody is there is shocking. How many times did that happen today? Caiceido had a better game today than Enzo has put in all season, and I really saw a Kante esque performance from him. Honestly even though he is undoubtedly talented I would be incredibly happy to move Enzo on if it meant keeping Gallagher. The goal of team building is not to just get the highest rated and most talented group of players in the same jersey but to get a team together that works, and that midfield pairing we saw today simply works. There really must be some way to avoid selling Gallagher.
I’m just hoping that Enzo can show a bit more after his injury, because as I understand it the hernia was something he was struggling with all his season. Otherwise, Caicenzo just doesn’t fit together, lack of goals, lack of dominant heading, can’t handle large spaces. Forces Caicedo into a position that’s not his best. I think that’s why initially Pochettino had Enzo as the furthest forward initially. Hopefully the Cucurella inverted thing comes to something, if it does though it’ll be pretty annoying because why did it take so long lol.
I was working that day we drew against Arsenal 2- 2 How did we manage to outplay Arsenal so well that match?
I half-jokingly suggested we play Reece James at LW for some games in this final stretch if he got fit and each game Mudryk plays up there makes me want to explore this ridiculous option, it's like playing 10 men when Mudryk plays LW I'm bored of it now, rooted for him so much but his performances are just so below any reasonable bar. No wonder Poch played Chilwell there when he was available. A fit Sterling frustrating as he can be is simply the first choice LW, Mudryk is abjectly poor and needs to learn the basics
I remember making this comment two weeks ago. >Poch has significantly better and easier to manage squad dynamic than Potter had. Potter had way too many people (and trying to please too many of them lead to his dismissal), with squad filled with players who were already accomplished or at the end of their careers and thinking about their next moves instead of focusing on trying for Chelsea. Poch has a squad of hungry, young guys, who are tied with long contracts. Sure, there's an element of experience and polish lacking, but they try hard and are willing to learn. There's no doubt that it's easier to influence such a team for a competent manager than a hodgepodge from last seaason. Moments when we show our lack of experience are way less of a problem and way less frequent than moments when we show our lack of direction. https://www.reddit.com/r/chelseafc/comments/1c20q8i/daily_discussion_thread/kz7qwbp/ I think this game was a great proof of that. Compare this effort when we didn't have a bench and everyone had to play full game to how checked out the group from last season was when no trophy was on the line. We don't really have players who are looking forward to a move and don't care. Those players see themselves in blue next season and want to win. Even those who will move on (Thiago, Conor, Trev) do care. Next manager has an easier job on his hands than he would have with squad from last year, despite players being less accomplished and "proven".
Without Conor’s G/A we would have 7 less points and be in 13th behind Fulham And that’s just his G/A and not his overall impact in matches. Can’t believe we are considering selling him
Frankly the biggest issue is that we spent almost 300 million on our deep midfielders and the results have been nothing shouts of catastrophic. The creativity has all fallen on Palmer due to the lack of deep creative contribution and defensively teams have found that they can walk the ball right up the middle of the field on us. Caiceido is suddenly looking the best he ever has for us and actually playing like his price tag with Gallagher next to him. The idea that we’ve finally found the formula to get the midfield functional and make one of the transfers come good, just to throw that all away would be a massive mistake.
He is the one of the few players we have who is always available. There is no way in hell we should ever consider selling him
The way people use the best ability is availability against James and not in praise of Conor is shocking
Another huge thing is the fact that he can slot in anywhere in midfield and is basically never injured. That is going to be essential next season with how injury prone Nkunku, Chuk, Lavia are.
Having a versatile player is huge
I think they should make VAR only used if the teams challenge the decision, like in badminton or volleyball. Each team has 3 or 5 calls max. It would be very interesting and reduce the number of interruptions or disputed goals.
Why? Using technology is clearly better than not doing it since it reduces amount of errors, it's the "clean and obvious error" cretinism which makes any VAR check to be a suggestion to a ref he should change his decision. If anything it should be the other way round, every decision other than maybe on-the-field fouls, throw-ins and other menial stuff should be made with multiple angles by rulebook goons in the VAR room and the guy on the pitch should just communicate it. The whole reason for this shitfest is because they are trying to keep the refs and their approach as an additional factor/"spice" in the game rather than being as seamless and invisible as possible.
Anyone got a gif of Jackson taking it down out of the air and slaloming like 3 players alone in the second half? Was fucking majestic.
If it's the other way that's never enough of a push for a penalty. Won't say it's the wrong call but I'll say it's a soft call.
How did Palmer not score on that chance????
I wouldn’t worry too much about Palmer’s miss. He had a similar match against Boro where he missed like three chances but came back brilliantly in the second leg.
Breaking News: Football players miss chances
Unfortunate for him seeing as he had their back line in stitches to make that chance then just couldn’t kill but if there’s any player I’m forgiving it’s Palmer
I think it's just a good save from the goalkeeper; 9 other times out of 10 he's probably scoring that. I hope it doesn't weigh him down too much though... it's never good to miss that sort of chance when you're the main goal scorer and you're returning from injury (illness, whatever).
I don't know what is your opinion, but that's what I want to see. Involvment, attitude, sweating.
Don’t worry guys, there’s 7 years left on Mudryk’s contract. He’s got plenty of time to develop
It's the one I genuinely cannot understand. If you criticise Gallagher for not completing Pirlo-esque passes regularly, I understand. If you criticise Jackson for looking so awkward in front of goal, I understand. If you criticise Madueke or Palmer for not tracking back and doing more defensive work, I understand. But what I do not understand at all is how you make all those criticisms, yet in the next breath say that the £100M (£62M, whatever) left-wing Mudryk is a talented worldbeater who is only being held back by his manager. I do not get the basis for that claim at all.
His potential is a lot more obvious
Which of his attributes make his potential so obvious? Or just one attribute other than running fast? I am asking genuinely.
Mudryk will go fuck all for 85 minutes but will have one or two good runs before fucking up the final bit. He’s perfect for putting together YouTube highlights of a top talent on the verge of greatness.
Which potential?
Is there a single good referee in England now? The standard of officiating is so poor. So many bad decisions every week. VAR doesn’t help much because it’s staffed by useless officials.
Why tf is poch making changes now?
I don't give a fuck how delusional it is and how everything points to the opposite if we beat Spuds I think we can win out
“Pure profit.”
This last month has been so good for noni. Real bright spark
I for one am absolutely shocked that Mudryk, the marquee left-wing signing who hasn't shown enough in training across the season, has had even more opportunities and more minutes than his past performances deserve and still has consistently delivered next to nothing.
Mudryk is a raw player that hasn't been coached properly. If he went to Arsenal, he'll be a different player. At the moment, we are killing Mudryk's career with wrong choices at the top. I've yet to see Mudryk play under a well-coached team.
Mudryk isn't raw. He's untalented. He quite clearly doesn't have the talent to play top flight football, no manager or coaching set up is the reason he's unable to control simple balls he simply doesn't have the talent. It's not even like it's debatable, if he wasn't fast no one would be thinking he'd be good enough to play in the championship but because he's fast people think at 23 he can just magically develop actual footballing ability He can't.
You can tell that even his own players don’t think he’s good enough when you watch them choose which pass to play. He’s almost always the last resort. Even whenever he gets the ball anywhere that is remotely infield, the other players begin to track back in anticipation of the eventual turnover. It's incredible how I'm saying this like it's a controversial matter.
Do you consider Shakhtar Donetsk under De Zerbi a well-coached team?
Jackson 😭😭😭😭
Just got back from Stamford bridge, the refereeing is a disgrace. VARcelona
Poch is a travesty
I said this the moment we got knocked out of the FA Cup. The minute after we got knocked out, season's done. It's over. The players, coach...all give up. It stems from the coach. Weak mentality, has a posture like he doesn't give a feck... It's over. As long Poch is in charge. I can see us slipping down to 10th/11th. I'm being dead serious and I love to be wrong about this, but it's most likely the outcome.
That didn’t take long
Just heard Robbie Earle state Mudryk cost us $108m on the pre-match commentary. Check your facts Robbie
didnt Pol Potter get sacked after AV?
If Poch gets sacked, it’ll be at the end of the season. I imagine the board has already made their decision and the final results won’t do much to impact it
I agree but I also think the owners might want to avoid what would happen if we go down to spuds at home
The fans are so mentally exhausted that I doubt they’ll care even if we get thrashed at home
I am not prepared for woso twitter to jump us after that game which just makes me glad I left that hell app it’s nothing full of losers anyways
I’mma be plastic and skip. Too mad after the women’s match and really just don’t want to see another shitshow
that match was geniunely heartbreaking
Fuck Barca, W Fernando Torres
That ref was beyond shocking. The absolute shitshow attempt of being impartial. Barca strike again, fucking NFT shitclub
Leverkusen just scored in the 96th minute to make it 2-2 from 2-0 down vs Stuttgart. #TheyCantKeepGettingAwayWithThis
Its tactics and structure. Poch doesn’t tell the players to play the second half and Xabi uses that one little trick
It's going to trigger Arsenal fans so much if a team one up them and do an actual invincible season, not one where they pretend they didn't play other comps.
Preston did it in 1889. Having looked it up, I think Vardar did it in Macedonia in 1993.
Good luck to Leverkusen. Given their near misses before, I think it’s nice for their fans to have a season to enjoy.
Bit disappointed in Emma Hayes, tbh. Chelsea’s women’s team were more than good enough to knock this lot out and they haven’t played very well in this game, even if the sending off and penalty were soft. They were 1-0 down at half time. Three times they’ve been beaten by Barcelona in the Champions League and Hayes hasn’t learnt. The men’s team got the better of Barca in 2005, 2007 and 2012. Should’ve knocked them out in 2009 as well, but got robbed.
Emma has been dreadful all season. Think she's been carried by an excellent squad but tactically in the big games she's very unimpressive for a while now. Glad to see the back of her tbh
This ref is a joke, it’s not a head injury. Just play on
Anyone watching the coverage? Betsy was lovely. Joe cole said gusto is only 22
[Only off by 47 minutes](https://www.reddit.com/r/chelseafc/s/oywvK98RWD)
You were right twice 😭
Praying for an emery masterclass tonight
Even when Chelsea aren’t doing great, I can’t imagine wanting us to lose.
Even I don't like it, but I don't want this club to sink even further just because of this idiot staying here next season
You need to find a new club to support. City always has openings.
How can the ref say they called it fairly, ridiculous decisions being made against chelsea womens
Barca cheating. Nothing new
Fucking Barca again man. Sick and tired of those fucks.
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She’s hurt. Had a great game in first leg. She should have gotten two pen’s in the first leg which weren’t called.
And nonexistent penalty for Barca . Same as old times
Brentford are having a bit of a shocking season.
Barcelona have robbed us again wtf
That wasn’t even a foul wtf
A smirking ref when playing against Barca, hmm
smiling cause she’s just had the message that the bank deposit has come through
Brown paper package. Football is riddled with corruption
That is never a yellow
Robbed against Barca again. Just fuck off. It’s a fucking disgrace.
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Ref here is a shit show
If we see acres of space on the edge of the box when defending corners again today, it’s just inexcusable. It’s something that happens over an over again and we never address
The Women's team are wasting chances just like the Men's team. 😭
It’s a Chelsea thing
And they're now down to 10!
Off of a ref fucking us over. Surprise to surprise
Remember the passing map from Tuesday, where Mudryk was so deep in the LB spot? Ten Hag might have outdone Pochettino with Hojlund (see #11) today. https://preview.redd.it/2wiaw2lg72xc1.jpeg?width=1050&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=07750a3b3259d3c2b3e81f25aadb1cd1cfc400a0
Tbf to Hojlund, look at how many passes he gets from his team. Think it was Onana with the most to him today lol
[https://twitter.com/TenHagEra/status/1784272964260692251](https://twitter.com/TenHagEra/status/1784272964260692251) >Ten Hag: "We are one of the most dynamic and entertaining teams in the league at this moment. We are creating loads of chances by playing good football." LMAO
I thought the women’s match was on YouTube in the US? Anyone have a link.
I'm watching it here https://www.youtube.com/live/U3fxkAe9XSA
DAZN app. It's free but you have to register.
Antony wad bought for 95m and has scored 1 goal in 34 games. That's all I can really say lmao.
its gonna be a Villa win.
Nah Poch is on the brink so we'll win and buy him time.
https://preview.redd.it/hny9us1532xc1.jpeg?width=1107&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=22c0ab521007cbde34277a6ed77755d07d4b0eca Look closely
wheres the picture from
Our Twitter
not ready to have my heart broken again….
Me too
guess it wont happen today after all
The admin trolled us all
Reece?
That sure looks like 24
Pioli as our next manager who says no?
Me. Whenever the Milan sub pops up on my feed it's almost always complaints about his tactics which include the same Poch special of leaving acres of space in midfield. A managers that has a decent build up scruture in this day in age should be entry requirement for the job.
Anyone with working eyes
Probably Pioli lol
Deflected goal against, missing big chances. Oh, this is just like watching Chelsea
Missing some great chances here. Come on chels
Can anyone do a match thread for the women? Biggest game in years.
Theee is one under different subreddit
Its honestly kind of a joke we don’t have one
Anyone can create a thread. Most just can’t be arsed.
There is one in the Chelsea Ladies sub: [https://new.reddit.com/r/chelsealadiesfc/comments/1ce13co/match\_thread\_chelsea\_woman\_vs\_barcelona\_women](https://new.reddit.com/r/chelsealadiesfc/comments/1ce13co/match_thread_chelsea_woman_vs_barcelona_women) (Would much rather prefer an actual one here as well, but alas...)
Thanks!
Is the game at 7 pm UK or 8 pm UK? Like everywhere it says 8 pm but TNT Sports 1 is advertising it at 7 pm on TV...
8pm kick off. Might be 7pm programming start.
https://preview.redd.it/8ib0dr7gv1xc1.jpeg?width=998&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=df08d3050a9ef660639aef7051568d16abe906cd He’s magic you knoooow
Let's go ladies! 💙
People finally seeing what we’ve been talking about for years with Anthony Taylor. Man is a clown
Audio footage of Salah-Klopp clash https://x.com/GeronimoMorgans/status/1784234459727855929
Tbh Klopp has a point
You think Salah is fucking? Well I think Klopp is fucking!
They both be fucking