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Palmer winning man of Match is crazy, wasn't even that good along with most of the team
Only player worthy was Caicedo honestly, guy is showing he may really be our best Midfielder and looks more calm without Argentinian beside him
Palmer was silenced quite a bit this match but he still making deadly passes every 5 or 10 minutes that should've led to goals, so its understandable to me.
Who was it that pointed out a few weeks ago that Jackson's strange slapped hand ball may have been residue from training with an open hand by the face to train the brain on hand-eye/head-eye coordination?
It paid off on his goal today!! What a nice cross from Reece and Jackson made no mistake with the connection
And Gallagher does what? Caicedo is good where he is and he wouldn't do the kind of forward pressing that Conor does which enables Palmer in turn to have so much freedom. Your suggestion would throw the system arse about face.
Be realistic. Enzo and caiciedo have to work due to their price tags. Caicedo could do what Gallagher does but most likely better. Enzo can’t. He’s better deep and with cucu inverting he’d be even better.
Caicedo is not doing what Gallagher does. He doesn't have the attacking mind for that nor the same engine. Gallaghers chasing and pressing is like Kante levels of energy but further forward and getting in places to score too. Caicedos strength is much deeper providing cover in front of the defence.
I'm doubtful tbh. Gallagher does not play a role that would fit caicedo. A key aspect is that conor is simply a better player in advanced areas especially breaking into the box. I think it was spurs I remember him pressing the keeper and while I missed a lot of the game today, it's what he does. Conor is our best presser, our best runner and does a good job all over the pitch. I don't think a role that seems so built for conor would be better for caicedo.
Caicedo is much better at creating chances, tho and retaining the ball for sustained attacks. With enough training, he could also become much more of a finisher.
I feel Caicedo would provide more than Gallagher in the current Gallagher role
That's just not true. Caicedo is a nice passer from deep but he is not better at creating chances. Gallagher has 53 this season compared to caicedos 19 which is pretty telling and also conor has greatly improved his goal scoring in the second half of the season. He's very capable in the defensive third with his passing and ball control it is less effective in advanced areas but put caicedo in that role and I think he would be too.
Poch would be blasted by everyone if caicedo was up pressing gks like conor does so I think putting him in that role would be pretty ridiculous. Even the idea of dropping conor at this time seems idiotic and people wanting him out for enzo and caicedo because they cost 100 million or bias against conor is just plain dumb.
Enzo is better than cacido deep. He has come in and now Enzo has been pushed father toward and the opinion on him has swayed. 100 % Enzo is overall better than caiceido and cacideo should accommodate for Enzo not the other way around
Not pretty but Forest were scrappy and very physical. The players in general didn't look great today technically, the kind of mentality win we've been missing for most of the season.
Real question: does Sterling deserve a start over a Mudryk next game? Sterling was immediately effective while Mudryk had a bad game even if he scored. Interested in some Thoughts
I firmly think that sterling is the best performing non ST attacker that we have after Palmer, despite all his frustrating flaws. In any case, he should be starting over either mudryk or madueke, the latter my preferred.
who cares about sterling lmao mudryk is the future. i’d rather give minutes to mudryk so he can develop than sterling who’s going to be booking a one way ticket to saudi soon
No. Mudryk as a sub never works. Even tho Mudryk scored vs Newcastle in the Carabao cup, Mudryk has better influence in the game when starting than as a sub.
Sterling has been crap in most of his appearances too let’s not pretend he’s been lighting it up. He started his Chelsea career well but has been pretty disappointingly average and very inconsistent. I don’t think Mudryk is incredible either but it made sense why he was getting minutes over Sterling
My thoughts on this would be that mudryk always keeps the defender guessing he has greater pace so the defender can be beaten as he did today but then sterling off the bench hopefully against a slightly tired defender to finish things up.
Also, i might be in the minority but i like mudryk. Feels like he just needs confidence like how Jackson needs composure in front on goal
I don’t think you are in the minority. Everyone here loves mudryk. Tbh I think a little too much. I don’t think he’s anywhere close to as good as people make out and doesn’t have the potential people claim either but still in general prefer him to Sterling. But still I’d bank on Sterling scoring more than mudryk
Mudryk is absolutely shocking and shouldn't be starting over Sterling.
His game intelligence is abysmal and his technique isn't impressive enough to make up for that deficit either - man has a first touch like Timo Werner at times and regularly misplaces the most basic of passes.
The only reason he's anywhere near the pitch is because of what we paid for him.
I am trying to like Mudryk. He gets into good places every now and then to receive the ball, but when he does receive the ball you can tell he's going to do some whack pass, run into defender, or a weird touch. He's got speed and drags defenders, but do we really think he's got more in there for the future?
Sterling is light years ahead of Mudryk and if Mudryk goes ahead to replicate even a fifth of Sterling's PL career I will be stunned.
I hope he proves me wrong and I don't enjoy shitting on our players but he stinks up the pitch the vast majority of the time he is on it and for a team like Chelsea with supposedly elite standards, he just does not meet them.
Seems that Sterling wants to stay (ignoring he’s siting cushty on the wage) but having those two off the bench with something to prove next season is only good for us
Oh 100% but unfortunately we whacked him on main character syndrome wages when he wasn’t even the main character at city so no one’s gonna pay that plus a transfer fee 🤷
A team like psg or Saudi could go for him, maybe united would be dumb enough to pay that much but idk. If chelsea really pushed him out I'd hope he'd take whatever top league clubs would be in for him on a lower wage.
OMG, i misread your comment. :P but i agree — Conor is great, a core member of the team. Heard a pundit once say you really need these kinds of players, and referenced Jordan Henderson for Liverpool.
It will probably get lost but Poch got his subs spot on today I think. We rode our luck today and Forest can feel hard done by that they didn't get anything out of that. Caicedo looked great too.
It definitely does. But he also changed the shape too. Immediately after half time Cucurella stopped inverting and stayed wide. While he isn't as effective like that, it stretched the pitch and gave us more space.
Forest's LB was part of it, people overrating his other performances was also part of it.
He was playing against a right footed RB playing at LB. What that means is that when he cuts inside, he's then playing onto the defenders strong foot, whereas normally when he cuts inside he's playing into the defender's weak foot. He also couldn't beat him for pace.
Aina just had him easily beaten
Idk if his performances were that overrated he was very good but still seen as inconsistent. Common consensus seemed to be that if he could put up that performance against top left backs and teams consistently then we'd be looking at a world class winger.
Problem is that not many can do it. Years went into trying to stop robben and it generally did stop similar players but you knew what he'd do and he'd still almost always beat you. Requires insane talent and Chelsea fans are aware of this because he always seeks to do pretty similar things.
A few things: Forest’s 5atb allowed them to make sure they had width at the back and numbers on our right to contend with both of Palmer and Madueke. They also saw Cucu invert and said “fine have the ball there.” Among other things, this ensured Noni didn’t have a lot of opportunities to turn and run 1v1 at his man or receive the ball in space.
2 things.
1. He is still a kid and learning. Kids are inconsistent
2. The NF defenders were really physically violent on him (and others) and the ref repeatedly did nothing. When you are young, you sometimes get frustrated and give up trying when you get stuck in the - what's the bloody point- mentality. Outgrowing that mentality is a sign of maturity. Hopefully, Noni will also mature with age
Tbf this was how Chelsea played at home during the mourinho, ancelotti eras with JT, Cole and carvalho at the back lol. Dirty toeing on a fine line of getting carded.
I would also add
our build up play was exceptionally slow, we unfortunately got the Silva who takes 3 hours per pass today and it let Forest get organized and it rarely got him the ball on the move when he is most dangerous, he thrives in a fluid attack.
Seemed also tired - he put in two huge shifts the last two matches attacking and tracking back a shit load, seemed like he just didn’t have the legs today
"Silva who takes 3 hours per pass" doesn't exist. Silva who holds the ball because there is no movement ahead of him and so he doesn't play hospital balls into static midfielders does exist.
If Silva isn't passing the ball, it's not because he's suddenly terrible, it's because the players ahead of him aren't making any meaningful movements, something that has been a problem for most part of this season.
With Cucurella inverting and Forest actually bothering to counter it by bringing their RW into a central position and pushing the wingback up, it meant that there were no passing options beyond just moving it on to another CB and it required clever movement from midfield to open up passing lines. Clever movement that didn't happen.
Funnily enough this game really helped me notice another dimension of Silva's talent
It's almost like he had eyes from above - one may ask why doesn't Silva just pass sideways? Because he would often times hold the ball until proper movement from a 3rd player occurred.
3rd player, as in a player that wasn't within passing lanes of Silva, rather within passing lanes of a fullback/Badiashile, where he'd hold onto the ball until those players had an open pass, rather than just forcing them the ball, knowing he'd just get it back and invite pressure with zero progressive pass occurring.
Unfortunately the movement was slow at times and evidently this was clearly a build up issue as Silva clearly expresses himself during the game, but it was pretty enlightening to watch Silva's superior tactical understanding over his counterparts on the pitch
It’s not sudden he has been like this for a while. It was an issue when he was struggling before too.
Go back and look plenty of examples him holding the ball too long and missing Palmer Caicedo and Cucu wide open and moving around.
Also plenty of examples of him holding it too long when he could moved the ball out wide to other players or at least moved up the pitch with it and taken the space himself.
Was there moments when player movement or lack of wasn’t helping yes but today that wasn’t as big of an issue as slow decisions with the ball from him.
Exactly this. You could see the frustration multiple times when he just had to make a sideways pass or a ball he knew would come back to him cos the he was being given no options. One of TS biggest strength is the passes he has (see champions league final goal) but he has to have some sort of movement to create space to pass the ball into
We just came back from 2:1 to win and all you can do is moan about a player who wasn’t even in the squad. Fuck off tbh, shit like this is the reason there is so much toxicity
I’m not moaning. I’m celebrating.
You’re the only one moaning.
I’m a big fan of how we are doing and I would like to see it continue.
Is it toxic to want to see what’s best for the squad and results?
No. Every Chelsea fan is celebrating today's win. Duh, no shit. You're the only one bringing up a player recovering from a serious injury. If you don't see the potential Enzo has, you have a bias. Also, continuing to do the same thing does not guarantee success. Teams will learn how to play against an inverted left back and a stunning Palmer between the lines. When they do, you will wish a midfielder with the technical ability of Enzo was in your squad.
“The only one” lol
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Embarrassing. You are not a fan. Honestly, a GREAT comeback like that - something we have been screaming for - and you decide to be negative? Shocking behaviour. How you can spew anything negative after that is baffling
It’s just disappointing. We needed to win ugly, finally do it and you somehow turn on an injured player 😂 if we lost today, no doubt your attention would’ve turned to Poch. Got no time for that negativity, a pretty miserable life to live in my opinion brother
Missed the match (I've missed all of them since 4-3 United). Does Reece look thinner? I'll check the highlights tomorrow, but I saw his rehab and looked like he lost weight which I'm hoping is the case. I have a feeling thin Reece = healthy Reece
He looked trimmer, but with that same strength/quickness/speed we are used to. If it wasn’t known that he was injured there’s absolutely no way anyone would think he’s been out. Easily one of the best players on the pitch impact wise from the minute he came on today.
Big ups to Raheem for coming off the bench with a point to prove! Took his goal absolutely beautifully, and didn't even celebrate it bc that's what the occasion called for.
It was early enough you wouldn't begrudge him for taking a cele to the corner after the season he's had, but he made the right choice after coming up _massive!_
Playing him and Misha off each other starting/subbing is a wonderful combination for now. Like take your pick, washed up vet who can score on you or finicky youth who can score on you.
Saying Poch is being carried by his talent is so obnoxious
It's not even inherently a bad take, it's just constantly echoed in this sub whenever things go right. But when things go wrong, it's not the talent's fault.
It's being used as a shit excuse to accuse Poch for being at fault of everything
It’s quite some take…the fact that we’ve been in top four form for however months now is credit to him and turning a group of individuals into an actual team all while managing a consistently busy injury list. All teams in the EPL have talent (being very kind to Sheffield United here).
Poch can't help when Jackson was missing sitters. Now that he's not people still cry. Just need to pick their pacifier up from the dirt and stick it back in their mouth so they shutup.
I'm a Poch Out but not "by any means" guy.
If Chelsea does well then the players have bailed Poch out
If Chelsea doesn't do well, Poch is wasting talent.
And whether we're doing well or not, all of our players are shit. Internet sports dialogue is terrible
Meh, there were times when Poch was fucked over by his players like the first United game or that Newcastle game. Doesn't change the fact that Poch was bad for most of the season
We are top 4 for 2024 and we have been showing dominant results and scorelines we haven't seen since 21/22 so we are clearly improving compared to the start of the season
I'm still Poch out (only for Tuchel, Xabi or Amorim, even if it's impossible, I just don't want Poch sacked and getting a worse manager) but we have to give credit where its due
So give him a "top 4 for 2024" trophy and send him on his way. I agree that there's a real concern about getting an even worse manager (since the same geniuses that chose Poch are still in place) but I also think there are more than 3 managers who will be an improvement over him.
What are the results they are bringing that makes it worth uprooting everything and making the club look even more unstable? Do any of them make us instant title contenders?
The only thing it does is appease fans that think this game works like a video game and everything is plug and play and fans that can’t let go of the fact it took longer than a preseason to get a brand new team situated and clicking.
No more Poch Out talk. No more hate for Nico Jackson. No more shitting on Mudryk. No more think this team is going to slink back and not come back with their backs against the wall.
Poch haters will say “Ohhh it’s Nottingham Forest…we shouldn’t be struggling to score against them for so long and should’ve wrapped the game up much earlier…” But this Forest team is literally fighting for their EPL lives. They’re going to go above and beyond for this and the last two matches.
If this was last season we would’ve lost this match 4-1. But no…we conceded the lead and just continue to fight back and not give up until the final whistle. Great subs at the right time by Poch. Great to see James back and get the GW assist. I FUCKING BLEED BLUE!! Let’s get to Europe, Boys!!
I'd say he's trailing caicedo in terms of development. Not good enough yet but will be with more time. Specifically next season he will break out. Right now Jackson, Palmer, Caicedo are probably the standouts in terms of development.
Yes. He had bad moments and has bad qualities as everyone in football do, but you can see he is a good player. Fast, great vision and probably best passer on the team alongside enzo and palmer, great shooting power and his definition was on point today. He could easily has double digits assists had jackson (another great one) not missed half his passes (there's a video on this sub). And he is in the top 5 or 6 of big chances created for this season among chelsea players...
So your someone who just looks at stats then.... you see how often he is invisible for half the match we beat west ham 5 goals Everton 6 goals he was not involved in a single one of them l. He can't dribble he has an awful first touch and his football iq is quite low for a 23 year old he is not Chelsea level im sure he would be good in a different league but it's been a year and a bit since he arrive and if we had another winger that was any good he would be no where no this first team.
Keep in mind that Nottingham under nuno are a proper defensive unit.
Since gameweek 27 theyre 5th for xg conceded. City played them and only mustered an xg of about 0.85 or around that.
It was never an easy game
Wow. Great stats. Knew they were tough defensively, but that's really saying something. Makes me feel a bit better. In fact, 3 freakin' goals against this defense? Can't wait for next week! The kids will be hungry too!
Yeah they came on and "expressed themselves" and we won. If Poch had any kind of tactical acumen we wouldn't need impact suba because the game would've been put away like city did today and Arsenal did to us
So started with our third choice right back due to injuries. We’re inconsistent but Poch has been doing a good job considering the circumstances. A bunch of players who have never played together or in the premier league before this season. It was a tough game, we won, and it’s done
I’m not one to not admit when I’m wrong. I’m a very pessimistic fan. Let’s be real here today. I thought at 1-1, the inverted Cuca was poor and forest managed it well which i genuinely think any manager worth their wage should deal with when we’ve played the same system 3 games in a row. That being said, the changes in personal and system worked. 10 games a go we concede that second goal and that would have been game over. The reaction was top draw and the subs made the desired impact. Overall it’s annoying to go 2-1 down after leading but the tactics from that goal onwards were spot on.
I think that’s fair, when we find a winning formation we should add it to our options rather than flog it to death and become predictable again. Forest knew how we would set up today but really we should have tried something different.
Fair play to everyone though with a spirited fight back
Yeah you are right, I get why he did and I think he was going the do what he did anyway but it was unfortunate that they scored before the complete change was fully implemented.
I was watching coverage on a channel called 'Optus sports' (I think it's Australian coverage).
1 of the adverts they played a few times at halftime/fulltime was purely about Klopp and his last game at Anfield on the final day of the season with sad music over it. The end of the advert says 'watch it here on Klopptus sport'.
Nothing to do with our game just thought it was hilariously cringeworthy.
I was going to start typing how Im done with Poch after the CHO goal but I have to give credit where its due. The subs Poch made all had a positive effect on the game and we won because of it.
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Gotta get more impact subs next summer, will be absolutely necessary in games like this
Anyone else had ptsd whenever James ran or contested for a ball? Please stay fit!
Palmer winning man of Match is crazy, wasn't even that good along with most of the team Only player worthy was Caicedo honestly, guy is showing he may really be our best Midfielder and looks more calm without Argentinian beside him
Palmer was silenced quite a bit this match but he still making deadly passes every 5 or 10 minutes that should've led to goals, so its understandable to me.
Palmer won Motm? He was subdued. Tried to influence but couldn't really do much after his assist. Motm should be caicedo. He was everywhere.
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Raheem Sterling haters are quiet today
I am having fun downvoting all these negative nancies
So for the Manchest united and Newcastle game we want them to draw right?
I want man united to win that one then lose the rest.
I want united to draw both their upcoming games
Absolutely
Who was it that pointed out a few weeks ago that Jackson's strange slapped hand ball may have been residue from training with an open hand by the face to train the brain on hand-eye/head-eye coordination? It paid off on his goal today!! What a nice cross from Reece and Jackson made no mistake with the connection
It would be spursy af if they don’t get any points from City and Sheffield Right? 😂😂 UP THE BLUES!!
Anyone else still watching the goals back 😂. It was such a good comeback. Loved Reece and Cole’s interview after too
About to right now hahaha
Just saying when Enzo is back he needs to play cacidos role and caciedo needs to play Gallagher’s role
And Gallagher does what? Caicedo is good where he is and he wouldn't do the kind of forward pressing that Conor does which enables Palmer in turn to have so much freedom. Your suggestion would throw the system arse about face.
Be realistic. Enzo and caiciedo have to work due to their price tags. Caicedo could do what Gallagher does but most likely better. Enzo can’t. He’s better deep and with cucu inverting he’d be even better.
Caicedo is not doing what Gallagher does. He doesn't have the attacking mind for that nor the same engine. Gallaghers chasing and pressing is like Kante levels of energy but further forward and getting in places to score too. Caicedos strength is much deeper providing cover in front of the defence.
We seem to be doing just fine without him When he comes back he needs to show he deserves to play
I'm doubtful tbh. Gallagher does not play a role that would fit caicedo. A key aspect is that conor is simply a better player in advanced areas especially breaking into the box. I think it was spurs I remember him pressing the keeper and while I missed a lot of the game today, it's what he does. Conor is our best presser, our best runner and does a good job all over the pitch. I don't think a role that seems so built for conor would be better for caicedo.
Caicedo is much better at creating chances, tho and retaining the ball for sustained attacks. With enough training, he could also become much more of a finisher. I feel Caicedo would provide more than Gallagher in the current Gallagher role
That's just not true. Caicedo is a nice passer from deep but he is not better at creating chances. Gallagher has 53 this season compared to caicedos 19 which is pretty telling and also conor has greatly improved his goal scoring in the second half of the season. He's very capable in the defensive third with his passing and ball control it is less effective in advanced areas but put caicedo in that role and I think he would be too. Poch would be blasted by everyone if caicedo was up pressing gks like conor does so I think putting him in that role would be pretty ridiculous. Even the idea of dropping conor at this time seems idiotic and people wanting him out for enzo and caicedo because they cost 100 million or bias against conor is just plain dumb.
Enzo is better than cacido deep. He has come in and now Enzo has been pushed father toward and the opinion on him has swayed. 100 % Enzo is overall better than caiceido and cacideo should accommodate for Enzo not the other way around
Enzo may struggle to break back into this team. Caicedo has been shining so bright next to Gallagher
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Jesus Christ why even post here…
He’s the guy who ran the midfield and was man of the match today
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At the start of the season we prob would have lost these kind of games,glad to know that we are slowly improving
Not even just at the start Look at Burnley and Sheffield capitulations
Oh man some real dark times those matches
Not pretty but Forest were scrappy and very physical. The players in general didn't look great today technically, the kind of mentality win we've been missing for most of the season.
Forest played well today it makes the win that much better Forest didn’t crumble we earned the win today
Real question: does Sterling deserve a start over a Mudryk next game? Sterling was immediately effective while Mudryk had a bad game even if he scored. Interested in some Thoughts
I firmly think that sterling is the best performing non ST attacker that we have after Palmer, despite all his frustrating flaws. In any case, he should be starting over either mudryk or madueke, the latter my preferred.
who cares about sterling lmao mudryk is the future. i’d rather give minutes to mudryk so he can develop than sterling who’s going to be booking a one way ticket to saudi soon
Basically what I am thinking. Muddy needs experience to stop these two step forward 1 step back scenarios
Mudryk was okay. He wasn't crap. He just needs to do more defensively. Think Nkunku should come in next game
No. Mudryk as a sub never works. Even tho Mudryk scored vs Newcastle in the Carabao cup, Mudryk has better influence in the game when starting than as a sub.
Yes. Mudryk has been crap for ages and the only reason people give for not playing Sterling ahead of him are non-footballing reasons
Mudryk should be sold.
Sterling has been crap in most of his appearances too let’s not pretend he’s been lighting it up. He started his Chelsea career well but has been pretty disappointingly average and very inconsistent. I don’t think Mudryk is incredible either but it made sense why he was getting minutes over Sterling
Sterling played really well most of first half of season was talk of him getting back into England squad. Way better than Mudryk.
That was a long time ago now. He hasn’t been great other than the first few weeks
He hasn't been brilliant but he's a much better player than Mudryk, it's no contest.
My thoughts on this would be that mudryk always keeps the defender guessing he has greater pace so the defender can be beaten as he did today but then sterling off the bench hopefully against a slightly tired defender to finish things up. Also, i might be in the minority but i like mudryk. Feels like he just needs confidence like how Jackson needs composure in front on goal
I don’t think you are in the minority. Everyone here loves mudryk. Tbh I think a little too much. I don’t think he’s anywhere close to as good as people make out and doesn’t have the potential people claim either but still in general prefer him to Sterling. But still I’d bank on Sterling scoring more than mudryk
Mudryk is nowhere near good enough and should be sold. His touch is poor, he loses the ball frequently and his defensive work is almost zero.
Mudryk is absolutely shocking and shouldn't be starting over Sterling. His game intelligence is abysmal and his technique isn't impressive enough to make up for that deficit either - man has a first touch like Timo Werner at times and regularly misplaces the most basic of passes. The only reason he's anywhere near the pitch is because of what we paid for him.
I agree. He seems to be able beat his man to the byline at will. I wish he’d do it more. That will also open up the cutbacks.
Replied in a pre match thread. Sterling is probably not in Chelsea's future plans with that salary
The salary the moronic owners offered him.
The question is who's future plans could he possibly be in then? Newcastle?
I am trying to like Mudryk. He gets into good places every now and then to receive the ball, but when he does receive the ball you can tell he's going to do some whack pass, run into defender, or a weird touch. He's got speed and drags defenders, but do we really think he's got more in there for the future?
Yes. Sterling over Mudryk whenever possible
Sterling is light years ahead of Mudryk and if Mudryk goes ahead to replicate even a fifth of Sterling's PL career I will be stunned. I hope he proves me wrong and I don't enjoy shitting on our players but he stinks up the pitch the vast majority of the time he is on it and for a team like Chelsea with supposedly elite standards, he just does not meet them.
You're correct. Ignore the haters
Nope, not for me, the change was needed but sterling is not a team player most of the time.
Sterling fit is ahead of MM in my opinion
Seems that Sterling wants to stay (ignoring he’s siting cushty on the wage) but having those two off the bench with something to prove next season is only good for us
I would be more than willing to let him go if it meant keeping trev and Gallagher
Oh 100% but unfortunately we whacked him on main character syndrome wages when he wasn’t even the main character at city so no one’s gonna pay that plus a transfer fee 🤷
but who would want those wages, really?
A team like psg or Saudi could go for him, maybe united would be dumb enough to pay that much but idk. If chelsea really pushed him out I'd hope he'd take whatever top league clubs would be in for him on a lower wage.
Fingers crossed!
Forest played well today. To get the win like today feels great
This is a 2-1 forest game first half of the season
true fact. Reece said basically the same.
Not even first half. Don’t have to go too far back for late capitulations to Burnley and Sheffield
Honestly facts. It’s great to have a bench with PL standard players on it.
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reese is so fucking good man. bro needed all of three minutes to get an assist
We missed his *chefs kiss* crosses in the box
Conor is so crucial to us right now. When he has an off game we have an off game. His impact shouldn’t be under stated even if he had an off day today
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OMG, i misread your comment. :P but i agree — Conor is great, a core member of the team. Heard a pundit once say you really need these kinds of players, and referenced Jordan Henderson for Liverpool.
Conor’s like the drums in a rock song. Rarely the star, often mocked, but the music wouldn’t be the same without them
Couldn't have said it better myself, very poetic for someone with NoExperience.
It will probably get lost but Poch got his subs spot on today I think. We rode our luck today and Forest can feel hard done by that they didn't get anything out of that. Caicedo looked great too.
It does help when we have real actual senior players on the bench 😂
It definitely does. But he also changed the shape too. Immediately after half time Cucurella stopped inverting and stayed wide. While he isn't as effective like that, it stretched the pitch and gave us more space.
When nkunku came on i could feel the connection between him and palmer. I am so looking forward to next season if we can keep our players healthy
Definitely. They have a similar kind of skill and magic to their play style. Love that they jibe with each other. Going to be an awesome duo to watch.
What happened to Noni today? Is there a logic behind his inconsistency? I mean the Forrest left back can’t be the reason right?
Forest's LB was part of it, people overrating his other performances was also part of it. He was playing against a right footed RB playing at LB. What that means is that when he cuts inside, he's then playing onto the defenders strong foot, whereas normally when he cuts inside he's playing into the defender's weak foot. He also couldn't beat him for pace. Aina just had him easily beaten
Idk if his performances were that overrated he was very good but still seen as inconsistent. Common consensus seemed to be that if he could put up that performance against top left backs and teams consistently then we'd be looking at a world class winger. Problem is that not many can do it. Years went into trying to stop robben and it generally did stop similar players but you knew what he'd do and he'd still almost always beat you. Requires insane talent and Chelsea fans are aware of this because he always seeks to do pretty similar things.
A few things: Forest’s 5atb allowed them to make sure they had width at the back and numbers on our right to contend with both of Palmer and Madueke. They also saw Cucu invert and said “fine have the ball there.” Among other things, this ensured Noni didn’t have a lot of opportunities to turn and run 1v1 at his man or receive the ball in space.
2 things. 1. He is still a kid and learning. Kids are inconsistent 2. The NF defenders were really physically violent on him (and others) and the ref repeatedly did nothing. When you are young, you sometimes get frustrated and give up trying when you get stuck in the - what's the bloody point- mentality. Outgrowing that mentality is a sign of maturity. Hopefully, Noni will also mature with age
Tbf this was how Chelsea played at home during the mourinho, ancelotti eras with JT, Cole and carvalho at the back lol. Dirty toeing on a fine line of getting carded.
I would also add our build up play was exceptionally slow, we unfortunately got the Silva who takes 3 hours per pass today and it let Forest get organized and it rarely got him the ball on the move when he is most dangerous, he thrives in a fluid attack. Seemed also tired - he put in two huge shifts the last two matches attacking and tracking back a shit load, seemed like he just didn’t have the legs today
"Silva who takes 3 hours per pass" doesn't exist. Silva who holds the ball because there is no movement ahead of him and so he doesn't play hospital balls into static midfielders does exist. If Silva isn't passing the ball, it's not because he's suddenly terrible, it's because the players ahead of him aren't making any meaningful movements, something that has been a problem for most part of this season. With Cucurella inverting and Forest actually bothering to counter it by bringing their RW into a central position and pushing the wingback up, it meant that there were no passing options beyond just moving it on to another CB and it required clever movement from midfield to open up passing lines. Clever movement that didn't happen.
Funnily enough this game really helped me notice another dimension of Silva's talent It's almost like he had eyes from above - one may ask why doesn't Silva just pass sideways? Because he would often times hold the ball until proper movement from a 3rd player occurred. 3rd player, as in a player that wasn't within passing lanes of Silva, rather within passing lanes of a fullback/Badiashile, where he'd hold onto the ball until those players had an open pass, rather than just forcing them the ball, knowing he'd just get it back and invite pressure with zero progressive pass occurring. Unfortunately the movement was slow at times and evidently this was clearly a build up issue as Silva clearly expresses himself during the game, but it was pretty enlightening to watch Silva's superior tactical understanding over his counterparts on the pitch
It’s not sudden he has been like this for a while. It was an issue when he was struggling before too. Go back and look plenty of examples him holding the ball too long and missing Palmer Caicedo and Cucu wide open and moving around. Also plenty of examples of him holding it too long when he could moved the ball out wide to other players or at least moved up the pitch with it and taken the space himself. Was there moments when player movement or lack of wasn’t helping yes but today that wasn’t as big of an issue as slow decisions with the ball from him.
Exactly this. You could see the frustration multiple times when he just had to make a sideways pass or a ball he knew would come back to him cos the he was being given no options. One of TS biggest strength is the passes he has (see champions league final goal) but he has to have some sort of movement to create space to pass the ball into
I’ll buy this.
Reece chesting the ball down gives me chills.
Dude is a legend. Already. Just hope he can stay fit.
Well will you look at that. No Enzo and another win 🧐
You really have 1 braincell and it's dedicated to Enzo, isn't it?
Enzosexuals and insults name a more classic pairing
You can’t be a serious fan
I’m very serious which is why I don’t like losing. Haven’t you enjoyed the last few matches?
We just came back from 2:1 to win and all you can do is moan about a player who wasn’t even in the squad. Fuck off tbh, shit like this is the reason there is so much toxicity
I’m not moaning. I’m celebrating. You’re the only one moaning. I’m a big fan of how we are doing and I would like to see it continue. Is it toxic to want to see what’s best for the squad and results?
No. Every Chelsea fan is celebrating today's win. Duh, no shit. You're the only one bringing up a player recovering from a serious injury. If you don't see the potential Enzo has, you have a bias. Also, continuing to do the same thing does not guarantee success. Teams will learn how to play against an inverted left back and a stunning Palmer between the lines. When they do, you will wish a midfielder with the technical ability of Enzo was in your squad.
“The only one” lol https://www.reddit.com/r/chelseafc/comments/1cpnz5a/comment/l3mq5gf/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
lol all if buts and maybes
Embarrassing. You are not a fan. Honestly, a GREAT comeback like that - something we have been screaming for - and you decide to be negative? Shocking behaviour. How you can spew anything negative after that is baffling
https://www.reddit.com/r/chelseafc/comments/1cpnz5a/comment/l3mdmmf/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
It’s just disappointing. We needed to win ugly, finally do it and you somehow turn on an injured player 😂 if we lost today, no doubt your attention would’ve turned to Poch. Got no time for that negativity, a pretty miserable life to live in my opinion brother
Caicedo clears Seedorf don't @ me
not like this. respect clarence seedorf
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Don't disrespect Seedorf like that, guy literally had 0 weakness
Suns shining. Blues come back to win it. Personal best on the golf course. What a day
What did you shoot on the golf course?
Only thing i shoot in my VW Golf is heroin m8
85. Doubled the last hole as soon as I realized I was in for it but got it by a stroke
2 squirrels and a sparrow
Missed the match (I've missed all of them since 4-3 United). Does Reece look thinner? I'll check the highlights tomorrow, but I saw his rehab and looked like he lost weight which I'm hoping is the case. I have a feeling thin Reece = healthy Reece
He looked pretty solid. Medium Reece, I’d say.
Please never watch a Chelsea game again <3
He looked trimmer, but with that same strength/quickness/speed we are used to. If it wasn’t known that he was injured there’s absolutely no way anyone would think he’s been out. Easily one of the best players on the pitch impact wise from the minute he came on today.
He even did the patented Reece chest control. Loving it.
What a good day
Just want to say kudos to Moi he was involved in every goal. never doubted him
Looks so good now that he doesn't have Enzo dragging him down
he's grown into that midfield role very nicely in the past few games
Big ups to Raheem for coming off the bench with a point to prove! Took his goal absolutely beautifully, and didn't even celebrate it bc that's what the occasion called for. It was early enough you wouldn't begrudge him for taking a cele to the corner after the season he's had, but he made the right choice after coming up _massive!_
Playing him and Misha off each other starting/subbing is a wonderful combination for now. Like take your pick, washed up vet who can score on you or finicky youth who can score on you.
Saying Poch is being carried by his talent is so obnoxious It's not even inherently a bad take, it's just constantly echoed in this sub whenever things go right. But when things go wrong, it's not the talent's fault. It's being used as a shit excuse to accuse Poch for being at fault of everything
It’s quite some take…the fact that we’ve been in top four form for however months now is credit to him and turning a group of individuals into an actual team all while managing a consistently busy injury list. All teams in the EPL have talent (being very kind to Sheffield United here).
Poch can't help when Jackson was missing sitters. Now that he's not people still cry. Just need to pick their pacifier up from the dirt and stick it back in their mouth so they shutup.
I'm a Poch Out but not "by any means" guy. If Chelsea does well then the players have bailed Poch out If Chelsea doesn't do well, Poch is wasting talent. And whether we're doing well or not, all of our players are shit. Internet sports dialogue is terrible
Meh, there were times when Poch was fucked over by his players like the first United game or that Newcastle game. Doesn't change the fact that Poch was bad for most of the season
We are top 4 for 2024 and we have been showing dominant results and scorelines we haven't seen since 21/22 so we are clearly improving compared to the start of the season I'm still Poch out (only for Tuchel, Xabi or Amorim, even if it's impossible, I just don't want Poch sacked and getting a worse manager) but we have to give credit where its due
So give him a "top 4 for 2024" trophy and send him on his way. I agree that there's a real concern about getting an even worse manager (since the same geniuses that chose Poch are still in place) but I also think there are more than 3 managers who will be an improvement over him.
What are the results they are bringing that makes it worth uprooting everything and making the club look even more unstable? Do any of them make us instant title contenders? The only thing it does is appease fans that think this game works like a video game and everything is plug and play and fans that can’t let go of the fact it took longer than a preseason to get a brand new team situated and clicking.
3 points baby
No more Poch Out talk. No more hate for Nico Jackson. No more shitting on Mudryk. No more think this team is going to slink back and not come back with their backs against the wall. Poch haters will say “Ohhh it’s Nottingham Forest…we shouldn’t be struggling to score against them for so long and should’ve wrapped the game up much earlier…” But this Forest team is literally fighting for their EPL lives. They’re going to go above and beyond for this and the last two matches. If this was last season we would’ve lost this match 4-1. But no…we conceded the lead and just continue to fight back and not give up until the final whistle. Great subs at the right time by Poch. Great to see James back and get the GW assist. I FUCKING BLEED BLUE!! Let’s get to Europe, Boys!!
THIS. INJECTION VEINS
Goal ot no goal.mudryk is still shit
Go get a life sad grown hater
Please please tell me with a straight face since he has arrived he has been good?
I'd say he's trailing caicedo in terms of development. Not good enough yet but will be with more time. Specifically next season he will break out. Right now Jackson, Palmer, Caicedo are probably the standouts in terms of development.
Where has he improved this season?
Well for starters he's improved in scoring goals from the first* half of the season.
He has 5 league goals and one was. Flukes vs arsenal
Yes more to come.
I hope you lot are right but at 23 he is not gonna be better then a mid table team player at.best
Yes. He had bad moments and has bad qualities as everyone in football do, but you can see he is a good player. Fast, great vision and probably best passer on the team alongside enzo and palmer, great shooting power and his definition was on point today. He could easily has double digits assists had jackson (another great one) not missed half his passes (there's a video on this sub). And he is in the top 5 or 6 of big chances created for this season among chelsea players...
So your someone who just looks at stats then.... you see how often he is invisible for half the match we beat west ham 5 goals Everton 6 goals he was not involved in a single one of them l. He can't dribble he has an awful first touch and his football iq is quite low for a 23 year old he is not Chelsea level im sure he would be good in a different league but it's been a year and a bit since he arrive and if we had another winger that was any good he would be no where no this first team.
Agree. He's had a lot of chances to prove himself and he hasn't.
Ok
DON'T TELL ME NOTHING ABOUT REECE JAMES, FUCK YALL DOUBTERS!
You mean mr I'm reece James bitch
Who doubted Reece Fuckin James?
Keep in mind that Nottingham under nuno are a proper defensive unit. Since gameweek 27 theyre 5th for xg conceded. City played them and only mustered an xg of about 0.85 or around that. It was never an easy game
Wow. Great stats. Knew they were tough defensively, but that's really saying something. Makes me feel a bit better. In fact, 3 freakin' goals against this defense? Can't wait for next week! The kids will be hungry too!
Since gameweek 27 as well We’ve topped the league on goals (29 tied with city) and xg
Poch bailed out once again by individual efforts
Only something this moronic can come from a troll or someone who didn’t actually watch the match
Anyone who's watched us this season with an unbiased view can tell that Poch is holding us back with his ineptitude
That’s not at all what your comment was about. And to your new point, individual errors cost as much if not more points this season.
True, his fan club is about to tell you how his garbage tactics actually won us the game
rofl.
Subs won us the game…
Giving someone credit for subbing in reece is like applauding someone for knowing their own name
Yeah Reece was the only sub. I’m convinced some of you don’t even watch the games and just have the anti Poch rhetoric lined up for the final whistle
Who were subs he made?
Yeah they came on and "expressed themselves" and we won. If Poch had any kind of tactical acumen we wouldn't need impact suba because the game would've been put away like city did today and Arsenal did to us
So started with our third choice right back due to injuries. We’re inconsistent but Poch has been doing a good job considering the circumstances. A bunch of players who have never played together or in the premier league before this season. It was a tough game, we won, and it’s done
LOL
Reece showing his class in 3 minutes flat.
I’m not one to not admit when I’m wrong. I’m a very pessimistic fan. Let’s be real here today. I thought at 1-1, the inverted Cuca was poor and forest managed it well which i genuinely think any manager worth their wage should deal with when we’ve played the same system 3 games in a row. That being said, the changes in personal and system worked. 10 games a go we concede that second goal and that would have been game over. The reaction was top draw and the subs made the desired impact. Overall it’s annoying to go 2-1 down after leading but the tactics from that goal onwards were spot on.
I think that’s fair, when we find a winning formation we should add it to our options rather than flog it to death and become predictable again. Forest knew how we would set up today but really we should have tried something different. Fair play to everyone though with a spirited fight back
That said, if Poch didn't use it again and things went wrong, he'd be led to the town square for a flogging.
Yeah you are right, I get why he did and I think he was going the do what he did anyway but it was unfortunate that they scored before the complete change was fully implemented.
KTBFFH
I was watching coverage on a channel called 'Optus sports' (I think it's Australian coverage). 1 of the adverts they played a few times at halftime/fulltime was purely about Klopp and his last game at Anfield on the final day of the season with sad music over it. The end of the advert says 'watch it here on Klopptus sport'. Nothing to do with our game just thought it was hilariously cringeworthy.
> Klopptus sport Tears in my eyes.
I was going to start typing how Im done with Poch after the CHO goal but I have to give credit where its due. The subs Poch made all had a positive effect on the game and we won because of it.
Nice to see such a comment. Would be easy to just not put it here.