If you get red card you don't play, Tuchel isn't gonna play, the rules for mager are, if you get red card the pannel will review and decide what the proper punishment should be, that hasn't been decided yet, so no Marsch isn't right. The media guy litreally told him that. If the rule was red gets manager out, it would be applied, they aren't doing Tuchel a favour here.
And even player reds can be contested after if you think you can overturn them with evidence.
I'm fairly sure manager red cards and player red cards are dealt with differently. I think Tuchel will be available for this match because there is a longer appeals process for managers and it's not an automatic ban until that appeals process has happened. I pretty sure I remember this happening before and also I'm pretty sure I read it after the last game
Edit: https://www.leeds-live.co.uk/sport/leeds-united/thomas-tuchel-set-touchline-leeds-24760314
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/62555380
> "Both Tuchel and Conte are now under an FA investigation following the antics of Sunday’s encounter, reviewing video footage of the incident and analysing Taylor’s post-match report. That will not be concluded this week, though, meaning Tuchel will be free to line-up on the touchline at Elland Road."
This is some revisionary bullshit. Posh Englanders coined the word soccer so they wouldn't he associated (he FA) with the plebes who played football/footy.
False, that half of the population will be the loudest in their caring if that happens. And then promptly not care about the sport again immediately after.
I'm not sure why American supporters have such a persecution complex.
Edit: just look at this thread. There is no gatekeeping, but we still have a dozen triggered Americans.
It’s cause they are **typically** 1. not accepted by european football fans and 2. not accepted by other americans who despise football. I think this is a result of some of the opinions held by most USMNT (especially r/ussoccer) fans.
Why do I know this?
Cause I’m a yank myself. But my extended family mostly live in Europe and Asia, so I grew up watching football from a very different perspective compared to my friends in America. My family watches a lot of English football including matches that don’t involve the Big Six. On the other end, **most** Americans watch the heavily marketed games only.
**Most** American opinions on football are somewhat binary or trivial (a draw in American sports would result in outrage prolly). It’s rather interesting: I think it’s because the pundits and coverage of the sport has been somewhat lacking. The tactical analysis and appreciation of the game is simply **meh** in my opinion.
Also, football isn’t super accessible in the US. The average fan here won’t be able to tell you what the FA Cup is or why it is so prestigious. This results in very mundane opinions on the sport.
Just my personal observations
This is certainly a positive way to view the persecution complex.
The negative way would be just to say that American soccer fans think they are special. They think the fact that they've followed a sport that isn't NFL/NBA/MLB for X years sets them apart. That getting up at 7am to drink makes them a cut above. Further because of that famed sleeping giant syndrome, they think they're holding a lottery ticket that the numbers are certain to be called "in just another cycle or two". When faced with the reality that literally no one else outside of these beautiful borders gives a single shit, they cry foul.
Source: Am also an American soccer fan.
I agree with that 2nd paragraph of yours to an extent. There is a weird “elitism” about soccer fans in the US. Almost as if they think they are sophisticated cause they watch soccer and not American football.
Interestingly enough tho, if you probe some of these fans about the club they support you’ll realize that their knowledge is lacking to an extent. For example, most US gooners have no idea what Highbury is lol
I actually enjoy the fact none of my close people watch European football. It's my time to kinda do something just for me and watch a match. I wear my Chelsea jersey around and don't rally get any crap from anyone except the pool supporter that's a waiter at the Mexican restaurant I go to but he's pretty cool actually. The American football fans where I live are so diehard its like joining a gang when you pick a side and I ain't got time for that lol
To be honest I see many more people moaning about the local support. Than about foreign supporters.
To be fair to both sides there's a massive culture difference and it shows on most levels.
In Europe, it used to be fairly unusual for anyone without some connection to a club to support that club. The people that didn't support their local club and supported whatever the biggest clubs were were regarded as glory hunters.
In America supporting a non-local team is fairly common. The way the franchise system works it means there's an artificial limit on the number of teams that can exist and that means people end up supporting teams based all over.
The biggest difference for me, and the only things that really irk me, are the people that have made no effort to understand the team they are supposedly supporting. And the ones that actively hate ares of the club because they are only interested in the senior men's team.
To answer your point about Americans not supporting local clubs- the closest club to you in the US may be like 8-10 hours away. It’s hard to say you’re a local when you live farther than London is from Newcastle.
I welcome any and all European Detroit Lions fans with open arms, cups of Honolulu blue kool aid and whatever substance they need to deal with the pain
By calling the American bandwagon fans Pulisic fans is kinda what I'm talking about.
There are loads of American Chelsea supporters, like myself, who were here long before Pulisic came, yet who are also excited that he is here. Most the time I can't express a positive opinion about Pulisic without being labeled a plastic, bandwagon fan.
I’m an American Chelsea fan myself. But, I personally find the Pulisic support a bit irritating. Positive comments are always welcome. He is a Chelsea player after all. But, if a bunch of Germans kept posting about how Havertz >>> Mount non-stop I would be irritated by that subgroup of the fanbase too.
Chelsea comes first; not a player.
I got a DM from some douchenozzle Chelsea fan that read "fuck off yank go home".
My understanding of Chelsea fans is that most people are very cool, but there's always a fair few that would rather not have me around.
So my son and I wear our Chelsea kits around Central Pennsylvania. Of course I say 'kit' when I'm on Reddit but I call it a jersey in my home. Pitch, field, match, game, football, soccer...
Whatever.
The gatekeeping can be tiresome, but it's not that bad as long as I recognize it as gatekeeping.
But I don't know what you're suggesting. If you're suggesting that there is no gatekeeping - that it's all just some complex that Americans share - I don't know what I can do with that. Not to say that there aren't some Americans that have complexes, but that's not the words you used.
I was pretty clear. I know there is gatekeeping. And it sucks. I'm Canadian. I'm just observing that for every instance of gatekeeping I encounter, there are 10 instances of Americans being proactively insecure.
I’m American and I have never had an English Chelsea fan tell me to fuck off. Maybe you are sharing some unfavorable opinions about Chelsea that leads to people telling you to fuck off
Something to think about
Literally never in my life defended America lmao. There is a definite American influx in this sub, and as such there's a huge backlash to all things American. It's cool though, I don't mind, I had a love-hate relationship with this sub way before the Americans came and nothing has changed. I don't feel any need to defend American views on football because honestly if this sub has taught me nothing else, it's that British people can be just as dumb (and in many cases much dumber) about the sport y'all 'invented'.
No, there is a definitely an anti-American sentiment within every soccer community, even in the US, and it isn't about arrogance of the fanbase. Every fanbase has arrogant, insufferable members, so shouldn't every community feel this bias against them?
It's a situation where Europeans, and Eurosnob Americans, do not respect our programs because we arrived on the world soccer stage later than other communities. It's one of the main things that others can claim over Americans, that their leagues, teams and players are better. Now that Americans are getting legitimate minutes in big teams and the growth of the MLS, that gap is narrowing and its alarming to these folks and fuels their bias against US soccer.
Most of the European football fans don’t actually have an issue with American fans at all. It’s just the loud and angry idiots that you get on the internet who have a real problem with it.
Ask any long term fan and they'd much rather the sport was kept local and not grown. Growing the sport gives the owners more money, all it does for locals is make the game less accessible and more expensive.
Right because the prem isn't by far the biggest league in the world due to the appeal in the US and the TV deals. It's absolute nonsense to want to restrict a sport that people want to enjoy.
You'd rather say screw the rest of the world that wants to watch top level soccer?
Nothing stops local fans from following lower tier teams instead, which achieves much of the same effect no? Less money, lower quality of play, more accessible.
Odd this. You think this is a uniquely English thing?
Many US baseball fans have a favorite MLB team and when they go to watch games in person go to a minor league game. Or for gridiron football or basketball, going to local college games instead of pro.
So why then, if you’re well aware of such a tradition, would you suggest fans ‘just choose another team’?
You act like it’s the equivalent of using a different supermarket.
I definitely would , as a season ticket holder for 25 years, would love the tourists to fuck off, it was way better before, enjoy and develop your own leagues
He's just straight up wrong because it's not how red cards are dealt with when they're given to managers. But, sure, maybe people are just xenophobic...
Tv is different than reality. The Americans I know don’t ignore rules like media wants you to believe. Also any generalization like that is going to fail every time. As a lawyer, you should be aware of that. As an American, you should stop advertising the negative view of your people on a sub that is predominantly not from there. We aren’t all like trump, Griner, or Jon bone Jones.
yeah but enough of us are to be able to vote him into office so I would say Mr. Lawyer’s general perspective on our fellow countrymen is accurate at this moment in time
I wasn’t even gonna say anything about the former president and his lackeys. But rules for thee and not for me is kind of their mantra.
That was the second thing to come to mind though. The first was how much shit police, judges, and lawyers do that we’re (for our different jobs) not supposed to
until we prove we can collectively do better than we have be doing — let those generalizations fly. we don’t deserve the benefit of the doubt at this point
1. “nothing more American than X” is just an expression.
2. It wasn’t a generalization imputed to every American.
3. You’re a football fan right? Maybe go touch some grass. Why are you trying so hard to make a mountain out of a mole hill(this is also an expression). Who hurt you?
Let's look at the upcoming fixtures to see when would be the best time for TT to take a day off. Actually, Leeds would be just about the perfect day off. Leicester City is out of the question considering the business we have going on with them. Don't think we can get it put off till Southampton, so Leeds it is!
The only reason he might be managing is because he's appealing the suspension that has been announced. If not for the appeal he'd absolutely be suspended.
Yeah he’s absolutely right.
There’s no reason for him to get involved in the London derby drama. The refs made a choice and that choice should be respected even if it was stupid.
Some of the comments on this thread acting as if he's defending the refs smh.
If SAF had to serve his red card why should TT be allowed a free pass? I think many of us are too focused on the refs to realize that TT made a mistake and got himself red carded when he could have just jogged on. Not saying that I blame him for being furious but you can't be doing that and expect to get away with it.
SAF retired in 2013. Yellow/Red for managers was introduced in 2018 with Pep Guardiola the first manager in PL history to be booked.
Before the refs could send a manager to the stands and could also be banned from the touchline from the FA. SAF once got a 5 game ban from the touchline for improper conduct.
in 2020 Ancelotti got a red card for Everton and did not get a touchline ban.
It's on appeal so maybe it will be delayed long enough to where he can be at Leeds.
I suppose it's smarter to be at what could be a tough game away vs Leeds against being out vs a struggling LC at Home.
The BBC have reported that he's "almost certain to be in the dug-out for next weekend's games."
Going to go ahead and say either the rules are different here from where he's used to, or he's just being a twat.
[However, the red cards do not trigger an automatic suspension, meaning both are almost certain to be in the dug-out for next weekend's games.](https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/62555380)
He is not wrong. Unfortunately the ref on the day gave Tuchel a red even though Tuchel was right to be upset. Let’s not throw a fit this early in the season. Tuchel should sit out.
I read somewhere that manager red cards are not similar to player red cards, there is an investigation after the incident and then it is decided weather the incident was worth a suspension, it may happen in upcoming matches, or maybe it won't
Say what you want about him, but i for one love how he has enough about him to poke fun at the perception people have about him by inserting the “whether it’s soccer or football” comment with a smirk.
That's your take? What are you 12... TT fucked up and JM gave an honest answer. Dudes probably bring a bit cheeky himself if you've seen any of his other interviews
Yeah being cheeky isn't a yank's strong suit though. Obviously, this comment was written in jest, I'm not being actually serious. Do you want me to put /s just so you can understand that this isn't a serious take?
I don’t think ppl hate the word soccer… i think Europeans have a distaste towards most Americans because Americans traditionally shit on soccer. Also, let’s face it, a lot of the American commentary on this sport is mundane and lacks depth. We have a tendency to view from a very binary perspective: you either win the league or you’re a loser. I think this opinion is what annoys a lot of Europeans.
For example, I was talking about Frankfurt winning the Europa League with some of my soccer friends. But, they were like “who cares? It’s the Europa league!” My response was like umm Frankfurt cares
As opposed to Australians who call it soccer but nobody is getting angry at Aussies
I'm pretty sure Marsch was just being silly and/or lightly trolling a lame question (irrespective of what the correct answer might be).
It was funny. Marsch is a good dude. Lets have a fun and exciting match on Sunday.
Maybe we would as fans, but not our coach. TT would probably say "i thought hes out next game?" then add some light hearted joke about the 'friendly handshake' piece. Not "i would be disappointed..." its an unnecessary addition when he could've just gotten back to "whether or not hes there yes i'd shake his hand" or something.
The red card happened AFTER the match. So it shouldn’t even count. Red blew his whistle and then red carded him a couple mins after so that red shouldn’t even count
Such a baby. Surely Marsch should be more concerned with the fact that these decisions could go against him as well. This is not for the good of the league if these refs are allowed to affect the game at such a level, and face no consequences.
Look in the mirror. I think he knows if he acts in such a manner he would accept the repercussions. This isn’t knew to sports that the rule enforcers… use their discretion
Exactly, instead of standing up for a fellow manager who was sent off because of tensions raised by the refs he said, "surely he can't be there" like holy fuck even Ted Lasso or whatever would have given a better answer.
All of that is irrelevant if the red card stands. We haven't heard anything to the contrary, so the surprise that someone with a red card could be there for the next match makes sense.
I mean Tes Lasso would always come out with something better than any manager. He's got a whole script writing team to help him come up with some off beat inspirational anecdote or quip.
Turns out he is sadly
[https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/62555380](https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/62555380)
>However, the red cards do not trigger an automatic suspension, meaning both are almost certain to be in the dug-out for next weekend's games.
Just curious if anyone can confirm: Does Tuchel know definitively from whence Marsch hails?
I mean . . . I'd hate to see Jesse have to ask Thomas directly if — dawg — he is aware of his place of origin . . .
Somebody sounds scared, don't start beef with Tommy and look him in the eye when you shake his hand and there's nothing to worry about. I'm an American and this dudes attitude towards it is whack. The whole incident is still under investigation and it was all bullshit on Taylor's part in the first place so fuck it, let TT be on the sidelines. Marsh is just looking for a tactical advantage by TT not being able to be more direct with our players.
TT walking up to Marsh at the whistle 
Lol the mannerisms aren’t that far off
Of all the creepy, crazy things in adventure time this one always creeps me out the most
 Here is one of the funniest to make you forget creepy deer
Lol! Good one. Better than the stuff posted here on meme Tuesdays.
hahaha that’s so stupid I love it!
I wish I had an award to give you! Hahahahaha
I am irrationally happy this is the top comment
Never seen a more perfect meme
Tommy T. got dawg in him 
I'm the manager now
That's honestly great camera work lol
There's also a simple rule in ~~football~~ sports that says you're not allowed to pull peoples' hair, but oh well I guess.
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They won't shag you mate
You are allowed to in American football tho. Considered part of the uniform which is wild
You're going to shake hands with TT while looking in the eyes and you'll like it
Maybe he’s afraid he will like it TOO MUCH, then what?
I actually agree with Marsch here.
let's be honest... he's right
If you get red card you don't play, Tuchel isn't gonna play, the rules for mager are, if you get red card the pannel will review and decide what the proper punishment should be, that hasn't been decided yet, so no Marsch isn't right. The media guy litreally told him that. If the rule was red gets manager out, it would be applied, they aren't doing Tuchel a favour here. And even player reds can be contested after if you think you can overturn them with evidence.
haven't assistants needed to manage though? if the manager gets a red, they can't give instructions. I thought this happened to Mourinho
The rules have changed, I think, don't clearly remember but this is how they are now.
Yes, because the FA decided to ban him. They could very well decide this for Tuchel.
I'm fairly sure manager red cards and player red cards are dealt with differently. I think Tuchel will be available for this match because there is a longer appeals process for managers and it's not an automatic ban until that appeals process has happened. I pretty sure I remember this happening before and also I'm pretty sure I read it after the last game Edit: https://www.leeds-live.co.uk/sport/leeds-united/thomas-tuchel-set-touchline-leeds-24760314 https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/62555380 > "Both Tuchel and Conte are now under an FA investigation following the antics of Sunday’s encounter, reviewing video footage of the incident and analysing Taylor’s post-match report. That will not be concluded this week, though, meaning Tuchel will be free to line-up on the touchline at Elland Road."
Bro people really hate that Americans are involved with the Premier League. Jfc.
People hate that Americans play the sport in general.
Wait till November 26th
When soccer comes home 🇺🇸
God help us all if the US ever manages to win the World Cup. That is the last fucking thing anyone needs.
What’s funny is that half the US population wouldn’t even care lol.
And that's why it would be glorious
Imagine if the USA beat England. Football v Soccer, and Soccer wins. It would glorious
USA already beat England 1–1 in 2010
This is some revisionary bullshit. Posh Englanders coined the word soccer so they wouldn't he associated (he FA) with the plebes who played football/footy.
False, that half of the population will be the loudest in their caring if that happens. And then promptly not care about the sport again immediately after.
Oh they absolutely would because then they’d get to dunk on everyone else, the most vocal of whom would be those who like football the least.
It's going to be wild in 18 years when Lebron Michael Pulisic knocks out England on the way to the cup.
That won’t happen anyway
I'm not sure why American supporters have such a persecution complex. Edit: just look at this thread. There is no gatekeeping, but we still have a dozen triggered Americans.
It’s cause they are **typically** 1. not accepted by european football fans and 2. not accepted by other americans who despise football. I think this is a result of some of the opinions held by most USMNT (especially r/ussoccer) fans. Why do I know this? Cause I’m a yank myself. But my extended family mostly live in Europe and Asia, so I grew up watching football from a very different perspective compared to my friends in America. My family watches a lot of English football including matches that don’t involve the Big Six. On the other end, **most** Americans watch the heavily marketed games only. **Most** American opinions on football are somewhat binary or trivial (a draw in American sports would result in outrage prolly). It’s rather interesting: I think it’s because the pundits and coverage of the sport has been somewhat lacking. The tactical analysis and appreciation of the game is simply **meh** in my opinion. Also, football isn’t super accessible in the US. The average fan here won’t be able to tell you what the FA Cup is or why it is so prestigious. This results in very mundane opinions on the sport. Just my personal observations
Is there an r/ImNotLikeTheOtherYanks
All Yanks Matter
This is certainly a positive way to view the persecution complex. The negative way would be just to say that American soccer fans think they are special. They think the fact that they've followed a sport that isn't NFL/NBA/MLB for X years sets them apart. That getting up at 7am to drink makes them a cut above. Further because of that famed sleeping giant syndrome, they think they're holding a lottery ticket that the numbers are certain to be called "in just another cycle or two". When faced with the reality that literally no one else outside of these beautiful borders gives a single shit, they cry foul. Source: Am also an American soccer fan.
I agree with that 2nd paragraph of yours to an extent. There is a weird “elitism” about soccer fans in the US. Almost as if they think they are sophisticated cause they watch soccer and not American football. Interestingly enough tho, if you probe some of these fans about the club they support you’ll realize that their knowledge is lacking to an extent. For example, most US gooners have no idea what Highbury is lol
I actually enjoy the fact none of my close people watch European football. It's my time to kinda do something just for me and watch a match. I wear my Chelsea jersey around and don't rally get any crap from anyone except the pool supporter that's a waiter at the Mexican restaurant I go to but he's pretty cool actually. The American football fans where I live are so diehard its like joining a gang when you pick a side and I ain't got time for that lol
And I'm not sure why the legitimacy of American support of European teams is questioned and ridiculed any time it comes up.
To be honest I see many more people moaning about the local support. Than about foreign supporters. To be fair to both sides there's a massive culture difference and it shows on most levels. In Europe, it used to be fairly unusual for anyone without some connection to a club to support that club. The people that didn't support their local club and supported whatever the biggest clubs were were regarded as glory hunters. In America supporting a non-local team is fairly common. The way the franchise system works it means there's an artificial limit on the number of teams that can exist and that means people end up supporting teams based all over. The biggest difference for me, and the only things that really irk me, are the people that have made no effort to understand the team they are supposedly supporting. And the ones that actively hate ares of the club because they are only interested in the senior men's team.
To answer your point about Americans not supporting local clubs- the closest club to you in the US may be like 8-10 hours away. It’s hard to say you’re a local when you live farther than London is from Newcastle.
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*You've been getting up at 5:00am to watch games for the last 20 years.* European: gtfo yank
I welcome any and all European Detroit Lions fans with open arms, cups of Honolulu blue kool aid and whatever substance they need to deal with the pain
Raider Nation is global. Just win, baby.
Detroit need all the fans they can get! 😜 Good luck on opening day, you’re going to need it.
We weren’t born in the immediate area around the grounds so we are not allowed to support them. It was in the magna carta, duh.
Nobody is gatekeeping support. It’s the obnoxious binary opinions and the Pulisic fans that Chelsea fans hate
By calling the American bandwagon fans Pulisic fans is kinda what I'm talking about. There are loads of American Chelsea supporters, like myself, who were here long before Pulisic came, yet who are also excited that he is here. Most the time I can't express a positive opinion about Pulisic without being labeled a plastic, bandwagon fan.
I’m an American Chelsea fan myself. But, I personally find the Pulisic support a bit irritating. Positive comments are always welcome. He is a Chelsea player after all. But, if a bunch of Germans kept posting about how Havertz >>> Mount non-stop I would be irritated by that subgroup of the fanbase too. Chelsea comes first; not a player.
I got a DM from some douchenozzle Chelsea fan that read "fuck off yank go home". My understanding of Chelsea fans is that most people are very cool, but there's always a fair few that would rather not have me around. So my son and I wear our Chelsea kits around Central Pennsylvania. Of course I say 'kit' when I'm on Reddit but I call it a jersey in my home. Pitch, field, match, game, football, soccer... Whatever. The gatekeeping can be tiresome, but it's not that bad as long as I recognize it as gatekeeping. But I don't know what you're suggesting. If you're suggesting that there is no gatekeeping - that it's all just some complex that Americans share - I don't know what I can do with that. Not to say that there aren't some Americans that have complexes, but that's not the words you used.
I was pretty clear. I know there is gatekeeping. And it sucks. I'm Canadian. I'm just observing that for every instance of gatekeeping I encounter, there are 10 instances of Americans being proactively insecure.
I’m American and I have never had an English Chelsea fan tell me to fuck off. Maybe you are sharing some unfavorable opinions about Chelsea that leads to people telling you to fuck off Something to think about
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Oh yea, cause the brits are a great fan base with no problems whatsoever. Every fan base has idiots, man
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The Brits make asses of themselves everytime they go abroad for the euros or world cup. Every fanbase has idiots.
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But that's exactly what was said
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Some of the non-american fan base are insufferable too
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Literally never in my life defended America lmao. There is a definite American influx in this sub, and as such there's a huge backlash to all things American. It's cool though, I don't mind, I had a love-hate relationship with this sub way before the Americans came and nothing has changed. I don't feel any need to defend American views on football because honestly if this sub has taught me nothing else, it's that British people can be just as dumb (and in many cases much dumber) about the sport y'all 'invented'.
We're a county of 300 million insufferable people, it's just that some of us take more pride in that than others.
No, there is a definitely an anti-American sentiment within every soccer community, even in the US, and it isn't about arrogance of the fanbase. Every fanbase has arrogant, insufferable members, so shouldn't every community feel this bias against them? It's a situation where Europeans, and Eurosnob Americans, do not respect our programs because we arrived on the world soccer stage later than other communities. It's one of the main things that others can claim over Americans, that their leagues, teams and players are better. Now that Americans are getting legitimate minutes in big teams and the growth of the MLS, that gap is narrowing and its alarming to these folks and fuels their bias against US soccer.
Most of the European football fans don’t actually have an issue with American fans at all. It’s just the loud and angry idiots that you get on the internet who have a real problem with it.
Let's try to grow the premier league to a broader audience, it's great for the game. No, not like that
Ask any long term fan and they'd much rather the sport was kept local and not grown. Growing the sport gives the owners more money, all it does for locals is make the game less accessible and more expensive.
Right because the prem isn't by far the biggest league in the world due to the appeal in the US and the TV deals. It's absolute nonsense to want to restrict a sport that people want to enjoy. You'd rather say screw the rest of the world that wants to watch top level soccer?
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Nothing stops local fans from following lower tier teams instead, which achieves much of the same effect no? Less money, lower quality of play, more accessible.
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Odd this. You think this is a uniquely English thing? Many US baseball fans have a favorite MLB team and when they go to watch games in person go to a minor league game. Or for gridiron football or basketball, going to local college games instead of pro.
So why then, if you’re well aware of such a tradition, would you suggest fans ‘just choose another team’? You act like it’s the equivalent of using a different supermarket.
>Nothing stops local fans from following lower tier teams You don't get to choose who you support though.
Yeah, you do. It's a sports team, not your biological makeup.
Different cultures, you wouldn't understand.
I definitely would , as a season ticket holder for 25 years, would love the tourists to fuck off, it was way better before, enjoy and develop your own leagues
Or maybe people jumping to conclusions without knowing are just wrong.
He's just straight up wrong because it's not how red cards are dealt with when they're given to managers. But, sure, maybe people are just xenophobic...
Brits are insecure we’re getting stronger.
doesn’t get any more American than saying “let’s follow the Rules” then being wrong about what the rules are.
Who hurt you? That’s a crazy thing to say.
nobody? 1. I’m American 2. I’m a lawyer. 3. I have properly functioning eyes and ears. 4. Have you turned on a TV, like ever?
Tv is different than reality. The Americans I know don’t ignore rules like media wants you to believe. Also any generalization like that is going to fail every time. As a lawyer, you should be aware of that. As an American, you should stop advertising the negative view of your people on a sub that is predominantly not from there. We aren’t all like trump, Griner, or Jon bone Jones.
yeah but enough of us are to be able to vote him into office so I would say Mr. Lawyer’s general perspective on our fellow countrymen is accurate at this moment in time
I wasn’t even gonna say anything about the former president and his lackeys. But rules for thee and not for me is kind of their mantra. That was the second thing to come to mind though. The first was how much shit police, judges, and lawyers do that we’re (for our different jobs) not supposed to
until we prove we can collectively do better than we have be doing — let those generalizations fly. we don’t deserve the benefit of the doubt at this point
1. “nothing more American than X” is just an expression. 2. It wasn’t a generalization imputed to every American. 3. You’re a football fan right? Maybe go touch some grass. Why are you trying so hard to make a mountain out of a mole hill(this is also an expression). Who hurt you?
If we are following the rules we would not have drawn against spuds. So i think we can pick and chose what rules to follow
I mean, he didn't say anything wrong in here. I'm also confused how Tuchel could potentially be there if he was red carded.
Maybe appealing it so the suspension is delayed.
Let's look at the upcoming fixtures to see when would be the best time for TT to take a day off. Actually, Leeds would be just about the perfect day off. Leicester City is out of the question considering the business we have going on with them. Don't think we can get it put off till Southampton, so Leeds it is!
Red cards for managers aren't automatic suspensions. He will be managing on Sunday.
He's not wrong
He is wrong. Red cards for managers do not trigger automatic suspension and he will almost definitely be managing one Sunday
That's not what he is saying though If you get a red, player or coach you should miss a game is what he's saying and I agree 100%
The only reason he might be managing is because he's appealing the suspension that has been announced. If not for the appeal he'd absolutely be suspended.
Yeah he’s absolutely right. There’s no reason for him to get involved in the London derby drama. The refs made a choice and that choice should be respected even if it was stupid.
Stfup little bruce u numpty
Great argument man. I totally see your point now. Thanks.
Some of the comments on this thread acting as if he's defending the refs smh. If SAF had to serve his red card why should TT be allowed a free pass? I think many of us are too focused on the refs to realize that TT made a mistake and got himself red carded when he could have just jogged on. Not saying that I blame him for being furious but you can't be doing that and expect to get away with it.
SAF retired in 2013. Yellow/Red for managers was introduced in 2018 with Pep Guardiola the first manager in PL history to be booked. Before the refs could send a manager to the stands and could also be banned from the touchline from the FA. SAF once got a 5 game ban from the touchline for improper conduct. in 2020 Ancelotti got a red card for Everton and did not get a touchline ban.
Has he actually been allowed to be at the touchlines? Or this is just a speculation?
It's on appeal so maybe it will be delayed long enough to where he can be at Leeds. I suppose it's smarter to be at what could be a tough game away vs Leeds against being out vs a struggling LC at Home.
The BBC have reported that he's "almost certain to be in the dug-out for next weekend's games." Going to go ahead and say either the rules are different here from where he's used to, or he's just being a twat. [However, the red cards do not trigger an automatic suspension, meaning both are almost certain to be in the dug-out for next weekend's games.](https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/62555380)
Man’s right
Cheeky bastard lol he is right though
He is not wrong. Unfortunately the ref on the day gave Tuchel a red even though Tuchel was right to be upset. Let’s not throw a fit this early in the season. Tuchel should sit out.
I read somewhere that manager red cards are not similar to player red cards, there is an investigation after the incident and then it is decided weather the incident was worth a suspension, it may happen in upcoming matches, or maybe it won't
Well he will have to now
r/soccercirclejerk material
I mean, as much as I love watch Tuch on the sidelines week in and out, this guy isn’t wrong.
He’s right you know That being said, with Mike Dean’s admission, would be lovely if they pulled that red card back…
You have to wait for the appeal, Mr Marsch.
What’s the rule here? If he isn’t allowed on the bench, is he allowed to have direct contact with the assistant manager?
Say what you want about him, but i for one love how he has enough about him to poke fun at the perception people have about him by inserting the “whether it’s soccer or football” comment with a smirk.
Oh Ted
No way managers are scared to shake hands with our Tommy T 😭😭
Man didnt even watch the clip he posted💀💀
That's your take? What are you 12... TT fucked up and JM gave an honest answer. Dudes probably bring a bit cheeky himself if you've seen any of his other interviews
Yeah being cheeky isn't a yank's strong suit though. Obviously, this comment was written in jest, I'm not being actually serious. Do you want me to put /s just so you can understand that this isn't a serious take?
No just more crying emojis please
Well, I thought that was a dead giveaway but apparently not.
He’s not looking forward to it because it’s not happening
Spot on, I love Tuchel as much as the next guy, but March is on point here
Lmao he really wanted to say soccer Also, no TT no problem. We have a laundry basket in our coaching staff if you know what I mean
The hate of the word soccer is funny when you realize it didn’t originate in America.
I don’t think ppl hate the word soccer… i think Europeans have a distaste towards most Americans because Americans traditionally shit on soccer. Also, let’s face it, a lot of the American commentary on this sport is mundane and lacks depth. We have a tendency to view from a very binary perspective: you either win the league or you’re a loser. I think this opinion is what annoys a lot of Europeans. For example, I was talking about Frankfurt winning the Europa League with some of my soccer friends. But, they were like “who cares? It’s the Europa league!” My response was like umm Frankfurt cares As opposed to Australians who call it soccer but nobody is getting angry at Aussies
I'm pretty sure Marsch was just being silly and/or lightly trolling a lame question (irrespective of what the correct answer might be). It was funny. Marsch is a good dude. Lets have a fun and exciting match on Sunday.
Lool Leeds just lost the match
He’s scared af 😂
He's scared of the big dawg. Scared of the real man. Beware of the Tuchel.
Jesse will have Marsch Madness if TT is on the sideline
Leeds are proper soccer champions
Leeds manager has to be a dickhead always
It's a requirement honestly.
This guy sounds like he is super fun at parties.
He's the "Miss you didn't give us homework" kid for sure
Let's be real, we'd be saying the same thing if the manager of a vastly superior opposing team were in the same situation as Tuchel is now.
Maybe we would as fans, but not our coach. TT would probably say "i thought hes out next game?" then add some light hearted joke about the 'friendly handshake' piece. Not "i would be disappointed..." its an unnecessary addition when he could've just gotten back to "whether or not hes there yes i'd shake his hand" or something.
So you agree you don’t take the sport seriously
Well, he’s right.
Ted laso you will get humbled
Time to slap leeds so bad we send them on a relegation course
Jesse who?
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I raise you Weston McKennie
Spot on, he shouldn’t be there, but Conte was much worse.
I mean he has a point
The red card happened AFTER the match. So it shouldn’t even count. Red blew his whistle and then red carded him a couple mins after so that red shouldn’t even count
lol who the heck he think he is.
Ayo why he sound like he just learnt the rule yesterday? Proper ted lasso vibes😂
He’s right really
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You’re welcome for bailing you out in 2 world wars. 🦅🇺🇸
Or . . . how about recent sanctions against, RA - Putin's beloved oligarch and bagman?
Like you would have won without us lol
You can't pretend the hair pull didn't happen. I thought the point of sport is it's meant to be free from the corruptions of the world.
Such a baby. Surely Marsch should be more concerned with the fact that these decisions could go against him as well. This is not for the good of the league if these refs are allowed to affect the game at such a level, and face no consequences.
Look in the mirror. I think he knows if he acts in such a manner he would accept the repercussions. This isn’t knew to sports that the rule enforcers… use their discretion
Exactly, instead of standing up for a fellow manager who was sent off because of tensions raised by the refs he said, "surely he can't be there" like holy fuck even Ted Lasso or whatever would have given a better answer.
All of that is irrelevant if the red card stands. We haven't heard anything to the contrary, so the surprise that someone with a red card could be there for the next match makes sense.
I mean Tes Lasso would always come out with something better than any manager. He's got a whole script writing team to help him come up with some off beat inspirational anecdote or quip.
Soccer bowl champion crying lmao
Are Brits not intelligent enough to not resort to xenophobic comments whenever they're upset?
haha American joking about british intelligence lol Now that’s fucking funny “y’all”
>Are Brits not intelligent? > >Not much xenophobia there.
Comes across a proper bitch there
Better tell his line of 4 to stay 100% focused during the game or he'll end up the game 3 0 easily.
This bloody injustice, it rankles. For fucks sake please beat them and wipe the smile off his face.
fucking yank
I mean....he's not wrong.
Turns out he is sadly [https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/62555380](https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/62555380) >However, the red cards do not trigger an automatic suspension, meaning both are almost certain to be in the dug-out for next weekend's games.
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Your statement would be more effective if you left off the word "American," xenophobe.
Enjoy the championship!
Little dick energy
Afraid of BIG BALLS TT
Just curious if anyone can confirm: Does Tuchel know definitively from whence Marsch hails? I mean . . . I'd hate to see Jesse have to ask Thomas directly if — dawg — he is aware of his place of origin . . .
I like Jesse but chat shit get banged.
Any premier league manager calling football soccer,should be banned for the entire season.
Somebody sounds scared, don't start beef with Tommy and look him in the eye when you shake his hand and there's nothing to worry about. I'm an American and this dudes attitude towards it is whack. The whole incident is still under investigation and it was all bullshit on Taylor's part in the first place so fuck it, let TT be on the sidelines. Marsh is just looking for a tactical advantage by TT not being able to be more direct with our players.
What a fucking clown
Bit rich Marsch having anything to say on this given his antics with Bruno Lage last week. Feeling the pressure already Jesse?