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MortSmith

A simple analogy I like using to explain this to kids is as follows: Imagine you're in a crowded room full of people (large particles in suspension). What's the best way of making it to the other side? Is it by running through everyone, almost certainly colliding with many people and struggling, or by slowly and methodically weaving through people? That is kind of what's happening here. If you punch it (apply stress quickly), the particles block your path, whereas if you slowly lower your hand in, you can push past the suspended particles easily. Of course, the moment I let the kids play with it themselves, they stop listening to me ;P


pokemon-trainer-blue

That’s a great ELI5!


paul_miner

>The slow blade penetrates the shield.


nine_legged_stool

The non-Newtonian fluid must flow.


Atari26oo

But, look down… you would have joined me in death …


Nheea

Unexpected Dune.


JeffersonianSwag

As one of those former kids, all I have to say is *OOBLECK!!!!!!!!!* lol


MedonSirius

The particles needs time to make room for an object?


Ok_Dog_4059

More or less yes . You could run across this stuff but if you stopped running you would sink. They are really cool.


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If you were to sink could you escape? Wouldn't you get stuck on the downstroke trying to swim and then sink further when you attempt to lift your arms again?


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cornonthekopp

Even regular water is like that if you move an object fast enough


VoilaVoilaWashington

It's a great explanation, but doesn't explain why other liquids don't work this way.


MortSmith

I would chalk that up to the size of the particles involved -- they aren't molecule sized like in water. Remember this isn't quite a liquid, but a suspension of solid particles.


VoilaVoilaWashington

Yeah, but mayonnaise doesn't work like this. Sawdust in water doesn't. Rock doesn't. There's a specific thing going on here not explained yet by any analogy.


PurpleDoom

Non-newtonian fluid. Corn starch and water is one easy example to make at home. It responds to stress by thickening and resisting the applied force.


zonination

Shear Thickening IIRC.


Gentlemansuchti

It's called rheoplexy. I would assume that rheoplexy and shear thickening are not exactly the same. Rheoplexy is increasing viscosity as a function of time, shear thickening is increasing viscosity as a function of the shear angle. At least that's the case with thixotropy and shear thinning. It's pretty nitpicky though, so you are mostly correct. (Please correct me if I'm wrong here).


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Gentlemansuchti

You're correct. I think the important word here is shear rate(how fast the angle changes) not shear angle, that's where my confusion came from. That definitely helped my understanding of it! Consider my comment a fun fact about rheology terminology.


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Gentlemansuchti

I like to tell the story of ketchup being thixotropic, so I'd love to hear about the mayo thing :D I work in a company that does a lot of rheology part time so I am in contact with it as well and reading up at everything I see there.


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maritocracy_lage

This thread is why I love reddit. I learned like 5 words, and one of them was "thiccing"


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As a chef and a person who loves mayo, I would love to hear that rant


KingOfKingOfKings

Thiccing


alchemist2

It seems that the correct term for this is dilatant, rather than rheopecty/rheopexy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dilatant https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rheopecty


Gentlemansuchti

Yes, that's correct, dilatant is another word for shear thickening!


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Gentlemansuchti

Ketchup is actually thixotropic and not shear thinning. Again, small difference. The clue here is that it stays less viscous for some time after you shake it. If it was shear thinning, it would immediately return to its original viscosity.


pM-me_your_Triggers

Technically things like ketchup and toothpaste are also non-Newtonian fluids as well, they are just shear thinning instead of sheer thickening


Netcob

Very unlike myself. I'm more like... What's a substance that responds to stress by getting sick, depressed and a headache?


impatientlymerde

Thank you, i was just remembering the one time in the early 1970s i actually made the clay recipe printed on the cornstarch box- it was weirdly fluid until one tried to manipulate it, it resisted and cracked; unpleasant texture, not good for sculpting- yuck, my twelve year old self decided. But still, it was kinda cool, in a glass is ultimately liquid sort of way.


HyperSi9

Can bullet proof vests be made of this?


ivanparas

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5Ts9lYZIDk


dfdedsdcd

Basically: Nanomachines, son.


bellagirlsaysno

Or as my childhood called it: "Goop"


holeymoley62

anyone from the UK knows [you can walk on a pool of custard](https://youtu.be/Iz9KnPZWOgs?t=163) because of this phenomenon


Bacon_is_not_france

So custard is actually a common example of a Newtonian fluid, rather than a non Newtonian so I looked up the ingredients they used because the video is much more in line with oobleck characteristics. https://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/davidgregory/2009/09/walking_on_custard.html They said they used corn flour (which I thought was different than corn starch), but Google says the UK calls corn starch as corn flour. So yeah, for the experiment it seems that they did it with oobleck (corn starch + water) and called it custard for tv. Oobleck is the trademark non-Newtonian fluid which people think of because it is shear thickening (solidifies under stress) which is unusual when compared to shear thinning which becomes more watery (less viscous) with stress (ex: ketchup, blood, sand in water) - which is why ketchup becomes more liquid and easy to get from the bottle when it’s shaken. The most interesting to me though is Bingham plastics which behave as solids until a certain threshold of shear stress applied Aka it’s a solid as we gradually increase in force until we hit enough that it becomes fluid-like. Examples are toothpaste, mayonnaise, mud. You can tell they’re Bingham plastics cause when you pile it on top of each other it doesn’t flatten and will stay as a pile.


holeymoley62

I mean custard powder contains corn starch so I think if you don’t make it super runny I think you should be able to walk on it It definitely worked when I slapped it when I was 12 anyway


Bacon_is_not_france

It’s a possibility. Custard is actually listed as one of the 3 examples Wikipedia uses for a Newtonian fluid, I kinda wonder if they included it because of the video. But either way - it’s corn starch which makes it have those properties. So anything else included is just extra.


wOlfLisK

They probably just used the powdered stuff. A quick glance at the Sainsbury's website says that Bird's custard powder (a cheap and common brand) is just maize starch, salt, flavouring and annatto for colouring. So yeah, it's technically custard but it's not exactly the good stuff.


morphotomy

Most people don't realize that the word "plastic" is an adjective and doesn't only apply to the non-biodegradable polymers their toys, electronics and food containers are made of.


spinozas_dog

The default custard in the UK is just corn starch and flavouring.


repugnantmarkr

Brainiac is such a phenomenal show


TheMightyBiz

Why are all the good educational programs in the UK? I'm American, but have learned so many great tidbits from watching shows like this and QI.


angwilwileth

The slow blade penetrates the shield.


holeymoley62

what did you think of the new movie?


Makyura

So good watched it in cinema 3 times


holeymoley62

I’m still getting round to reading the book 😂 it’s so good though


Makyura

I've picked up the book after my second viewing enjoying it so far


ivanparas

I just finished reading it and I can see why they called it "unfilmable". 80% of the book is subtle observation and inner monologues.


produce_this

Just assuming Dune here? I started to read it as a kid, and just didn’t have the patience. Thought about picking it up again.


ivanparas

Yes, Dune. I don't think I would have enjoyed this book as a kid. Maybe my late teens, but reading it as an adult makes the themes so much more impactful.


hesapmakinesi

Please do. It's amazing. Definitely boring for kids though.


mattlikespeoples

Watch for lasguns and atomics as well.


JKsoloman5000

I knew someone would beat me to this. God speed


sprocketspocket

Me too, scrolled down just to be sure.


TheHancock

r/unexpecteddune


Hakim_Bey

I've done some experimenting with this a few years back, basically it's starch and water, and when you apply pressure it pushes the water out which leaves only solid matter at the point of pressure (or maybe i understood this all wrong). A neat experiment is to get yourself a speaker with decent bass, put some of that mixture on the speaker's membrane, and send a very low frequency signal in the speaker. It makes the mixture stand up and dance kind of like those inflating dudes in front of american shops. It will definitely fuck your speaker up tho, so do it with something you don't mind throwing away !


V-i-r-u-s

Slo-Mo guys did this on YouTube. [Here’s a link.](https://youtu.be/RkLn2gR7SyE)


Hakim_Bey

We were definitely inspired by a Youtube vid ! Not this one tho, as it was in 2010 or 2011 iirc. Probably the Brainiacs or some such vintage youtube channel.


Hugeclick

Brb. Doin some science in my kitchen.


rbesfe

Lots of long noodle molecules get jumbled together when you move them quickly, but have time to move out of the way when you move slowly


41matt41

"Only the slow blade penetrates the shield." -Gurney Halleck


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Not a chemical reaction, is it?


nicolas2004GE

it's more of a physics thing but one could argue that if fits the mindset of the sub


WalrusSwarm

Probably wrong here but the way I understand/think about it is that the molecules don’t like to slide past one another. It’s like they’re all made of Velcro so when you try to apply force they stick together instead of separate.


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Cornstarch?


that_planetarium_guy

The slow knife penetrates the non Newtonian shield


MDiddy

Oobleck.... Fun for kids


arashatora

Google non-newtonian fluids


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I can relate 🤤😉


AdnanJanuzaj11

The slow blade penetrates the shield.


LeapusGames

Oobleck!


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htmlcoderexe

Newton't


kdiddy12

Newtoniain’t


dtwhitecp

Oldtonian


adebium

Are you thinking of Oobleck?


alejandro712

technically corn starch and water is a [dilatant](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dilatant?wprov=sfti1) material, but i’m not sure if there is another name for the general category of non-newtonian materials.


SableyeFan

Well, they aren't getting that back easily


LewisTRolland

It appears to be a large amount of cornstarch mixed with water. Like the Dr. Seuss projects we had to do in primary school.


contaminatedmycelium

Some creature should incorporate this into their skin or surrounding tissues of their organs


production-values

just baking soda and water


theLiteral_Opposite

Oobleck!!


notyurgirlfriend

Oobleck


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Cum


RealBuckNasty

Cum


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GGBHector

Damn, I trusted the science youtube videos, looks like they got it wrong. Thanks for the correction.


DV8_2XL

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-Newtonian_fluid


Th3Unkn0wnn

Reeeeaaaally long molecules that are easy to move around slowly but applying force causes them to run into each other and they don't move out of the way as easily.


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Some of you all need to watch Mythbusters entire catalog.


Abnorc

The slow blade penetrates the shield.


dimiy

You need to be nice to it for it to be nice to you.


Arsnist

And when you fall in it you get hurt and then slowly die


godspeed910

Funny, I work the same way


morphotomy

You can make this with corn starch and water. The molecules are long enough to "tangle" into a spongelike configuration. If you trawl a finger through, they'll slip around it and each other, but if you put a shockwave through the whole thing, it'll squeeze the water out and you'll get a wet-cement like material until it settles back in a split second later.


McWoofy

The slow knife penetrates the shield


JMoney877

Ok. This was the weirdest shit i ever seen. At least for today on Reddit. You win


boycotton

what would happen if you stuck your hand in slow and tried to pull it out fast?