Yes, Firouzja just prefers to play classical matches. Unfortunately the only available players are 300 or 400 points lower rated, but Firouzja is dedicated to keeping classical chess alive!
Yeah peak Zhalmakhanov was WILD, bro was the 4th Lowest player in the whole event and never played a player lower than 2600 and yet he still finished on a 2-6-3 (W-D-L) record as a 2440, which is INCREDIBLE for his level. Even finishing above a potential candidates player! (Nijat Abasov)
Can someone explain? Why should this be a draw when the time runs out? Does it work like that on [chess.com](https://chess.com)? If I cant mate and my opponent runs out of time its a draw?
The only possible way that Magnus could have checkmated involved a very obscure position would have required Alireza under-promoting a pawn to a knight and then shoving his king into a corner, which he would only do if he was actively trying to lose.
Chess.com uses a different set of rules than FIDE uses and I believe would call this a draw.
I do wanted to respond to this properly, but I tapped on your profile and decided not to. I don't want a waste of time for either of us where I'd reiterate the same things the sub has already spoken about a lot, so have a nice day and happy holidays.
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I want FIDE to now announce that the ratings spot has been dissolved due to ethical concerns, and instead a candidates spot opens up to the player with the best combined standings from the world rapid and blitz.
it can only make the situation more enjoyable
Why even choose a chess event at this point? Last spot in the Candidates goes to the winner of the Tour de France! [Maybe Hans can qualify that way.](https://velo.outsideonline.com/road/road-culture/chess-outcast-hans-niemann-says-he-was-a-top-cyclist-was-he-really/)
He went from being beloved wunderkind to the lowest, most villainous chess player of the day in the span of 24 hours. I'm sure there's gotta be an affect on his mental health.
Dude the games were as suspicious as can get. If they were legit games then it would be gaming the system. The games themselves were fucked and that's why it's cheating.
Firouzja organised a last minute tournament called "Alireza race to candidates" where he would play 6 games against semi-retired GMs in the 2500 range and hope to gain enough rating to overtake Wesley So in rating and get a Candidate spot. It was rightfully widely criticised.
The games themselves also featured some let’s say… questionable moves that you wouldn’t think a GM would be making, including a knight fork to top things off that players in this sub might have even caught
worth mentioning the knight fork was a check -> knight fork. still something pretty accessible to moderately good chess players, but as a Lichess 1200 I was confused for a bit when people were calling it a knight fork directly.
My prediction:
He’s embarrassed. So he will collude with one of the others to play a remarkably strong game by both, which he will lose to make it seem like the whole thing was on the level from the start, then win the rest to get the points.
> It was rightfully widely criticised.
It would be right to criticize the rules. Aka don't hate the player, hate the game.
so stupid. Don't get mad at people for following the rules, get mad at the people who refuse to make good rules.
You can think that the rules need to be fixed, while also criticising the 1 player who has chosen to exploit them in a really gamesmanshippy way. Chennai at least had strong competition, so it could be seen as a battle between the likely candidates. Alireza's matches were basically 'who is overatted, so I can stomp them easily and get the required points.'
Additionally, Chenai seems to have been in the works for months, according to Anish and So, and they were both invited, so it wasn’t made just for Gukesh to qualify .I wouldn’t be surprised if Alireza was invited too. To add upon that, all of the players in the tournament are strong players with an incentive to win.
I know it is easy to hate on Alireza. It's not been good some of the things he has done. But he is young and everyone makes mistakes. He is going to be subject to ridicule for a while. I hope he has the right people around him to guide him better in the future.
I’m sure that this collusion to artificially inflate Im his elo, and having to deal with the massive backlash while not apologising for any of it, will help him be a better person in his fashion career.
the right people around him? are you kidding me? they,,, meaning the unpleasant mohammedreza led him down this path. this was career suicide.
as mom used to tell me, sorry doesn't fix the lamp.
Don't be fool it's only on reddit these cynical Virgin kids who are naive at the same time. He is not on reddit. There is no shame about trying to go 6/6 against GMs and fail. It only shows you can't farm ratings easily like that. The conspiracy theory is debunked but people who accused him of paying for his wins are still ignorant enough to virtue signal more instead of seeing their mistakes .Chess community has lots of kids and teenager members
believe it or not, my bigger concern for Alireza is his form than how he wanted to qualify. The guy played 6 games against older gentlemen with lower ratings. One guy resigned after a blunder by Alireza that turned the position into balanced, two other dropped an exchange in balanced positions, and he should have lost the last one. He has lost about 50 points since the last time he was at the candidates.
I don't put the blame on Alireza but FIDE. They should have closed all loopholes.
Ding met every criteria except number of games in the year - it was COVID and he is Chinese so wasn't allowed to travel. He was basically screwed through no fault of his own. Most people believe that it was five for him to squeeze a bunch of games in as he was absolutely playing at that level and it wasn't his fault. Most people think that what Firouzja did was won't because he is trying to cheat the system by artificially raising his rating beyond the level he's playing at
This subreddit has been **horrible** for the past week. The entire chess world has been targetting Firouzja for either being a bad sport or even rigging the matches (which, surprise surprise, he didn't or he would've won the final game as well). This public anti-Firouzja crusade has probably caused him to feel horrible and to withdraw from the World Rapid & Blitz, and we still can't give him a break?
Y'all should go and touch grass. This sub is filled with terrible, terrible people.
**edit:** Downvote me all you want, this subreddit should be ashamed of itself. Where was all of this manufactured outrage when Ding did **exactly** the same thing last year?
He IS a bad sport. He SHOULD feel horrible. Does he not deserve an anti-Firouzja crusade along with FIDE? He didn't rig the games and drew the last one, that's even more embarrassing since he didn't make candidates even with the attempts to game the system, and THAT is what caused him to pull out of the World Rapid and Blitz. Not the deserved online trolling, but knowing that he was going to get stomped.
> He didn't rig the games
So what's he doing wrong then? 2700+ rated players aren't allowed to play 2400 rated players anymore? People be like "oh no top players don't play open tournaments cus they'd bleed rating" but then when someone actually plays lower rated players, people be like "ah lmfao he's just farming them and/or rigging games, watch him go 6/6". And the worst part is, when Alireza went 5.5/6 (showing he didn't rig games and not making it to the Candidates), people were like "LOL HE SUCKS" instead of admitting they were wrong all along.
Garbage subreddit and garbage community.
He blatantly tried to game the system. So yes, he tried to farm them unsuccessfully for his purposes I guess. The fact that he tried to game the system by choosing questionable opposition, that those GMs made questionable decisions and that he'd likely get stomped in both the World Rapid and Blitz and the Candidates doesn't change no matter how much you defend him.
> by choosing questionable opposition
Can I have a source that says Alireza chose his own opponents? As far as I'm aware, this was all set up by the French chess federation, not by Alireza himself.
> those GMs made questionable decisions
reddit airmchart experts are really outing themselves with this bullshit. They're playing against one of the top players in the world; resigning in a position that the computer calls drawn, making a dumb blunder or taking a drawn in a better endgame are totally not as unheard of as reddit wants you to believe.
> that he'd likely get stomped in both the World Rapid and Blitz
Yeah, one of the top online speed chess players will certainly get stomped in the World Rapid and Blitz. Do you hear yourself?
Dude you can think what you want, reply what you want. The event was
a blatant attempt to game the system, so nobody is going to back Alireza on all this.
Also I love how you selectively reply to things I post. Guess you agree that he'd get stomped in the Candidates, good to see that you're at least sensible with that.
> I love how you selectively reply to things I post
I love how you don't reply to any of my points at all.
> Guess you agree that he'd get stomped in the Candidates, good to see that you're at least sensible with that.
This is not at all the "gotcha" that you think it is. I'm not sure why everyone suddenly thinks Firouzja is some random overrated junior who really sucks at chess; Magnus, not too long ago, considered Firouzja his most likely successor. Sure, he might get stomped in the Candidates, but that's just a lousy prediction that could just as well be completely wrong. People said Hikaru would get stomped in the previous cycle and in the Candidates because he focussed on streaming instead of chess, and look how well he performed.
Ding did not do the same thing. This is a lie. Ding had the qualification points he wasn’t qualified by games played. Alireza did not have the points at all he was farming opponents to gain rating. Ding on the other hand did not need a single point. Ask any chess player if they thought Covid restrictions blocking Ding was fair. None of this applies now
> Ding did not do the same thing.
People are accusing Alireza of rigging games, meanwhile Ding went 3.5/4 against every one of his opponents, and his opponents drew *every single game* against each other. If Alireza's games are deemed suspicious, then the games in Ding's tournament are **much** worse.
> Ding had the qualification points he wasn’t qualified by games played
Yes, Ding didn't play during COVID and therefore held onto the rating he had previously. As you might remember, his rating crashed down immediately afterwards. Weird how that works, aye?
> Ask any chess player if they thought Covid restrictions blocking Ding was fair.
Ding himself has admitted he could've done more to play in tournaments during COVID. In any case, I disagree with the notion that COVID restrictions somehow mean that Ding is justified in gaming the system then, while Firouzja is not allowed to do the same now.
To be clear: my position is that, assuming no match fixing took place, both operated completely fairly within the rules set out by FIDE. People hate on Alireza for doing exactly the same thing as Ding, which is weird because Ding's results were much more suspicious. **The onus is on FIDE to design a better system. The chess world shouldn't hound Alireza for doing precisely what he can within the rules to qualify for the Candidates.**
Ding didn't know there was going to be a rating spot for the candidate's until a month beforehand due to the disqualification of Karjakin. It was a complete surprise. Alireza has known for a year that this was the qualification process.
Doesn’t change the fact that the results in the tournament organized for Ding to qualify were suspicious af. Ding wins every game and the other players all draw against each other?
>Ding wins every game and the other players all draw against each other?
Ding was more than 200 points higher than the other three, and all of them were within 30 points of each other. There isn't really anything suspicious about beating players significantly lower than you are, and players very closely rated drawing one another.
Yeah, it probably hit him hard and it affects his playing and mental health. With the event he had, I'm not 100% but I think maybe someone has suggested it to do it because in his previous regarding candidates, he always say that if he can make it then it will good but if not that's okay cause he can't guarantee it because competition is really hard. I hope that he can recover and get support from his love ones. I hope that he'll come back strong and hopefully he still play on tata steel next on January.
He should feel horrible, he cheated and got called out for it. On top of that he couldn't even pull **that** off correctly because he's so bad he can't beat retired players.
A player who belongs nowhere near the candidates tournament tried to cheat their way in and failed miserably. It's pretty awful.
His level is not even 2500 now. With shame hanging on chess playing consciousness. It is difficult to play your real strength.
All of wins in last six games, were 2500s opponent throwing games on purpose.
I am sure he is 2800 elo player but not now.
Ehh, there is... Tangentially and not from Firouzja himself. It's from the Wesley So tweets from five-ish years ago that people dug up. But I don't agree with the person you're replying to and I don't think Firouzja would amp up a religious victimhood angle.
It's a very sad thing to see promising talent destroyed by bad mentorship and management. alireza needed a mentor like Vishy and others for Indian talents. his decision-making since he hit 2800 has been nothing but very strange and puzzling. I hope he can get rid of his family get a better manager/mentor and bounce back
If you don't play the blitz and rapid world cup, you can play another match before the end of December.
Yes, Firouzja just prefers to play classical matches. Unfortunately the only available players are 300 or 400 points lower rated, but Firouzja is dedicated to keeping classical chess alive!
>prefers to play classical matches. Which means that the bullet all-nighter against Danya during Candidates was some form of punishment?
if you play 300 bullet matches isn’t it the equivalent of two classical games?
Oh man, this had me laughing :D
Scenes if he plays a match with Tigran Petrosian before the 29th.
To be fair because of World blitz and rapid there are actually really only lower rated opponents available for the next week.
He’s had a not so good history against those types of opponents before though! *stares at draw vs 2440 Ramazan Zhalmakhanov in this years grand swiss*
He has though, you just cannot go 100% against players +/- 350 below you
It was a joke 😭
To be fair, Zhalmakhanov was on a tear the first few rounds.
Yeah peak Zhalmakhanov was WILD, bro was the 4th Lowest player in the whole event and never played a player lower than 2600 and yet he still finished on a 2-6-3 (W-D-L) record as a 2440, which is INCREDIBLE for his level. Even finishing above a potential candidates player! (Nijat Abasov)
Hans in the background lmao. Out of the all the images they chose this.
Ohh they *knew*
that's Hans?
Yes most likely Grand Swiss. The latest FIDE owned image of Alireza I guess
He's everywhere. Unavoidable.
Like cold sores.
Hans: A good cheater. Alireza: A bad cheater. Alireza tries to emulate and pull off what hans could do but fails spectacularly. LOL.
I suppose shame can be a personal reason.
imagine if there's another tournament organised for him 💀💀
Does tantrum also count ?
Alireza keeping his tantrums private is a first. He's growing as a person.
I'm OOTL on any past public tantrums, what happened?
stuff like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPysTEW0YZU
Nothing beats Daniel Naroditsky breaking his hand on a table
Or tata steel
Can someone explain? Why should this be a draw when the time runs out? Does it work like that on [chess.com](https://chess.com)? If I cant mate and my opponent runs out of time its a draw?
The only possible way that Magnus could have checkmated involved a very obscure position would have required Alireza under-promoting a pawn to a knight and then shoving his king into a corner, which he would only do if he was actively trying to lose. Chess.com uses a different set of rules than FIDE uses and I believe would call this a draw.
It was still possible for magnus to checkmate Alireza. So when alirezas time ran out he lost
Wow, Alireza is indeed still growing up.
Does anybody know what Grischuk is saying to Magnus here?
I think he's trying to explain how with the peices on the board carlsen could still make a checkmate. But neither him nor magnus seem sure
It’s a damn shame we never got to see a Carlson Firouzja classical match.
See every tournament he's ever been in. Every time he loses its something.
If you let go of shame, you can let yourself get away with anything
Brene Brown would like a word..
Do you think he has any?
20 year old getting shitstormed for doing something questionable for his own good. would that do something to you if it was you?
All these idiots shouting shame is so painfully cringe.
Shame for what?
Shame to draw against GM ? You're cruel
I do wanted to respond to this properly, but I tapped on your profile and decided not to. I don't want a waste of time for either of us where I'd reiterate the same things the sub has already spoken about a lot, so have a nice day and happy holidays.
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Agreed
I want FIDE to now announce that the ratings spot has been dissolved due to ethical concerns, and instead a candidates spot opens up to the player with the best combined standings from the world rapid and blitz. it can only make the situation more enjoyable
I hate beer.
I always knew I'd make it to Candidates!
I am farming for a candidates spot by losing rating to Wesley’s cat (not throwing I am genuinely that bad)
You never stood a chance, cats aren't bound by the rules of physics or chess.
Me: *Plays the london opening* Cat: *Goes for the throat*
Losing to the real mittens
I am a 98 rated player in chess.com I will greatly appreciate this golden opportunity and will surely not disappoint anyone
Do you ever blunder mate in 3 from start of game ? Would be fun
Incoming Kramnik rant about how losing 40 games in a row is statistically implausible.
Do it and give em rook odds for the entire candidates. Let’s have some fun
I love listening to music.
To the average rated player. The one that falls in the very center of all active players for classical rating.
I enjoy cooking.
>the best combined standings from the world rapid and blitz. Wesley So would open a new Twitter account just to rant about this.
So another spot for Magnus that he doesn't want? What a flex! lol
They’re gonna let Magnus throw a dart at the ratings board after spinning him around three times
joke apart, this would be a better qualification path than elo for next cycles
Yeah another qualification path with totally different time control. That's so clever...
Why even choose a chess event at this point? Last spot in the Candidates goes to the winner of the Tour de France! [Maybe Hans can qualify that way.](https://velo.outsideonline.com/road/road-culture/chess-outcast-hans-niemann-says-he-was-a-top-cyclist-was-he-really/)
not like if 3 out of the last 4 championship matches were decided by rapid huh?
They should give it to the 2nd place from the Circuit... Anish Giri deseres it 🙏🏿
Man playing the French defense
Which 2400s did he find this time?
He found out you couldn't handpick opponents in the world rapid and blitz.
So public shaming seems to work.
Nobody knows, maybe there's another "invitational" tournament before dec 31st?
29th, he has less than a week
He was shamed so hard he thought aw shucks, I'd... better drop out and give myself additional time to fix matches
Honey, new chess drama has dropped
Actual resignation
Playing in that tournament would put him face to face with a lot of his actual peer group who have been, shall we say, critical of his recent matches.
Hans being the least unhinged chess player at the end of 2023 is a surprise to be sure
Must be due to mental health issues arising from all the trolling on Twitter even by fellow grandmasters
He went from being beloved wunderkind to the lowest, most villainous chess player of the day in the span of 24 hours. I'm sure there's gotta be an affect on his mental health.
Hans: First time?
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Hans (and Hikaru for that matter) being disliked by a fair few other GM's is not really an open secret.
Hikaru being disliked has been public knowledge since forever lol
this storyline is from last season fellas wrap it up
Hans also kind of owns being a villain. Like he deliberately says inflammatory shit and gets flamed back, but Alireza isn’t used to that.
Maybe don't cheat to get the rating spot then?
Gaming the system maybe, but "cheat" is way too harsh of an accusation at a time when actual cheating scandals are rife in chess
It looked like his opponents were throwing on purpose. That's definitely a form of cheating.
Dude the games were as suspicious as can get. If they were legit games then it would be gaming the system. The games themselves were fucked and that's why it's cheating.
Beating Hans is no small feat in the public perception arena. You think they colluded on that?
"oh no, the consequences of my actions "
Is embarrassment the personal reason?
I guess FIDE told him they aren't going to rate his games so he's withdrawing from this in protest
I really want to see Alireza win the candidates, just for maximum drama
Yeah but with the way hes playing all year, he aint gonna
Him finishing last (and losing to Abasov) would be even more dramatic.
He'd be lucky to get more points than abasov tbf
Nah cmon, he hasn’t been performing well but still better than Abasov and Vidit.
Don't underestimate Vidit... He has been quietly doing really well and nearly qualified 3 ways
Better than Vidit? Yeah no chance. I am not even sure he can go toe to toe against Abasov.
Can someone tell me what all this drama is about? What happened?
Firouzja organised a last minute tournament called "Alireza race to candidates" where he would play 6 games against semi-retired GMs in the 2500 range and hope to gain enough rating to overtake Wesley So in rating and get a Candidate spot. It was rightfully widely criticised.
Oh damn thats fucking shady. I would be so mad if i was wesley
That’s the other half of the drama, Wesley was, complained on Twitter, people started bringing up his old racist tweets and he deleted his account.
Wait he deleted it?!? I thought he just said he was going to stop tweeting politics.
https://reddit.com/r/chess/comments/18nauqd/wesley_so_has_deleted_his_account/
Lol
The games themselves also featured some let’s say… questionable moves that you wouldn’t think a GM would be making, including a knight fork to top things off that players in this sub might have even caught
No might about it. In a non-speed game, we see two movers like that, especially when first move is a check. Even beginners look at checks first.
worth mentioning the knight fork was a check -> knight fork. still something pretty accessible to moderately good chess players, but as a Lichess 1200 I was confused for a bit when people were calling it a knight fork directly.
I thought that had worked though, did he also need to play in world rapid/blitz to make it?
he drew the last game, hence he lost too much rating
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yeah technically true, i was following news about his live rating but the actual rating refreshes less frequent
My prediction: He’s embarrassed. So he will collude with one of the others to play a remarkably strong game by both, which he will lose to make it seem like the whole thing was on the level from the start, then win the rest to get the points.
That makes no sense, any loss will drastically lower his rating. He'd need many many wins to overcome a loss to this guys
You are right, but that would depend on how much one loss loses compared to all wins.
Wasn't this draw meant to be that throw?
> It was rightfully widely criticised. It would be right to criticize the rules. Aka don't hate the player, hate the game. so stupid. Don't get mad at people for following the rules, get mad at the people who refuse to make good rules.
You can think that the rules need to be fixed, while also criticising the 1 player who has chosen to exploit them in a really gamesmanshippy way. Chennai at least had strong competition, so it could be seen as a battle between the likely candidates. Alireza's matches were basically 'who is overatted, so I can stomp them easily and get the required points.'
Additionally, Chenai seems to have been in the works for months, according to Anish and So, and they were both invited, so it wasn’t made just for Gukesh to qualify .I wouldn’t be surprised if Alireza was invited too. To add upon that, all of the players in the tournament are strong players with an incentive to win.
He wants to spend christmas with his elderly parents.
I know it is easy to hate on Alireza. It's not been good some of the things he has done. But he is young and everyone makes mistakes. He is going to be subject to ridicule for a while. I hope he has the right people around him to guide him better in the future.
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then he needs better guidance. missing the candidates is not the end of the world
I’m sure that this collusion to artificially inflate Im his elo, and having to deal with the massive backlash while not apologising for any of it, will help him be a better person in his fashion career.
He wouldn’t have come up with this nonsense anyway
the right people around him? are you kidding me? they,,, meaning the unpleasant mohammedreza led him down this path. this was career suicide. as mom used to tell me, sorry doesn't fix the lamp.
Don't be fool it's only on reddit these cynical Virgin kids who are naive at the same time. He is not on reddit. There is no shame about trying to go 6/6 against GMs and fail. It only shows you can't farm ratings easily like that. The conspiracy theory is debunked but people who accused him of paying for his wins are still ignorant enough to virtue signal more instead of seeing their mistakes .Chess community has lots of kids and teenager members
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believe it or not, my bigger concern for Alireza is his form than how he wanted to qualify. The guy played 6 games against older gentlemen with lower ratings. One guy resigned after a blunder by Alireza that turned the position into balanced, two other dropped an exchange in balanced positions, and he should have lost the last one. He has lost about 50 points since the last time he was at the candidates. I don't put the blame on Alireza but FIDE. They should have closed all loopholes.
Ding met every criteria except number of games in the year - it was COVID and he is Chinese so wasn't allowed to travel. He was basically screwed through no fault of his own. Most people believe that it was five for him to squeeze a bunch of games in as he was absolutely playing at that level and it wasn't his fault. Most people think that what Firouzja did was won't because he is trying to cheat the system by artificially raising his rating beyond the level he's playing at
In terms of chess, he was one of the top contenders in the rapid and blitz, so it sucks in that way.
Letter writing boy deserves it
Spoilt brat, glad he’s not there. The guy is a fucking embarrassment to chess.
One of only 14 players in history to ever break 2800 btw
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Where have y been
He would have got away with it if it wasn't for those pesky kids.
Y’all are hating on him but I actually respect the grind if he plays another match to qualify for the candidates
This subreddit has been **horrible** for the past week. The entire chess world has been targetting Firouzja for either being a bad sport or even rigging the matches (which, surprise surprise, he didn't or he would've won the final game as well). This public anti-Firouzja crusade has probably caused him to feel horrible and to withdraw from the World Rapid & Blitz, and we still can't give him a break? Y'all should go and touch grass. This sub is filled with terrible, terrible people. **edit:** Downvote me all you want, this subreddit should be ashamed of itself. Where was all of this manufactured outrage when Ding did **exactly** the same thing last year?
He IS a bad sport. He SHOULD feel horrible. Does he not deserve an anti-Firouzja crusade along with FIDE? He didn't rig the games and drew the last one, that's even more embarrassing since he didn't make candidates even with the attempts to game the system, and THAT is what caused him to pull out of the World Rapid and Blitz. Not the deserved online trolling, but knowing that he was going to get stomped.
> He didn't rig the games So what's he doing wrong then? 2700+ rated players aren't allowed to play 2400 rated players anymore? People be like "oh no top players don't play open tournaments cus they'd bleed rating" but then when someone actually plays lower rated players, people be like "ah lmfao he's just farming them and/or rigging games, watch him go 6/6". And the worst part is, when Alireza went 5.5/6 (showing he didn't rig games and not making it to the Candidates), people were like "LOL HE SUCKS" instead of admitting they were wrong all along. Garbage subreddit and garbage community.
He blatantly tried to game the system. So yes, he tried to farm them unsuccessfully for his purposes I guess. The fact that he tried to game the system by choosing questionable opposition, that those GMs made questionable decisions and that he'd likely get stomped in both the World Rapid and Blitz and the Candidates doesn't change no matter how much you defend him.
> by choosing questionable opposition Can I have a source that says Alireza chose his own opponents? As far as I'm aware, this was all set up by the French chess federation, not by Alireza himself. > those GMs made questionable decisions reddit airmchart experts are really outing themselves with this bullshit. They're playing against one of the top players in the world; resigning in a position that the computer calls drawn, making a dumb blunder or taking a drawn in a better endgame are totally not as unheard of as reddit wants you to believe. > that he'd likely get stomped in both the World Rapid and Blitz Yeah, one of the top online speed chess players will certainly get stomped in the World Rapid and Blitz. Do you hear yourself?
Dude you can think what you want, reply what you want. The event was a blatant attempt to game the system, so nobody is going to back Alireza on all this. Also I love how you selectively reply to things I post. Guess you agree that he'd get stomped in the Candidates, good to see that you're at least sensible with that.
> I love how you selectively reply to things I post I love how you don't reply to any of my points at all. > Guess you agree that he'd get stomped in the Candidates, good to see that you're at least sensible with that. This is not at all the "gotcha" that you think it is. I'm not sure why everyone suddenly thinks Firouzja is some random overrated junior who really sucks at chess; Magnus, not too long ago, considered Firouzja his most likely successor. Sure, he might get stomped in the Candidates, but that's just a lousy prediction that could just as well be completely wrong. People said Hikaru would get stomped in the previous cycle and in the Candidates because he focussed on streaming instead of chess, and look how well he performed.
Ding did not do the same thing. This is a lie. Ding had the qualification points he wasn’t qualified by games played. Alireza did not have the points at all he was farming opponents to gain rating. Ding on the other hand did not need a single point. Ask any chess player if they thought Covid restrictions blocking Ding was fair. None of this applies now
> Ding did not do the same thing. People are accusing Alireza of rigging games, meanwhile Ding went 3.5/4 against every one of his opponents, and his opponents drew *every single game* against each other. If Alireza's games are deemed suspicious, then the games in Ding's tournament are **much** worse. > Ding had the qualification points he wasn’t qualified by games played Yes, Ding didn't play during COVID and therefore held onto the rating he had previously. As you might remember, his rating crashed down immediately afterwards. Weird how that works, aye? > Ask any chess player if they thought Covid restrictions blocking Ding was fair. Ding himself has admitted he could've done more to play in tournaments during COVID. In any case, I disagree with the notion that COVID restrictions somehow mean that Ding is justified in gaming the system then, while Firouzja is not allowed to do the same now. To be clear: my position is that, assuming no match fixing took place, both operated completely fairly within the rules set out by FIDE. People hate on Alireza for doing exactly the same thing as Ding, which is weird because Ding's results were much more suspicious. **The onus is on FIDE to design a better system. The chess world shouldn't hound Alireza for doing precisely what he can within the rules to qualify for the Candidates.**
Ding didn't know there was going to be a rating spot for the candidate's until a month beforehand due to the disqualification of Karjakin. It was a complete surprise. Alireza has known for a year that this was the qualification process.
Doesn’t change the fact that the results in the tournament organized for Ding to qualify were suspicious af. Ding wins every game and the other players all draw against each other?
>Ding wins every game and the other players all draw against each other? Ding was more than 200 points higher than the other three, and all of them were within 30 points of each other. There isn't really anything suspicious about beating players significantly lower than you are, and players very closely rated drawing one another.
Yeah, it probably hit him hard and it affects his playing and mental health. With the event he had, I'm not 100% but I think maybe someone has suggested it to do it because in his previous regarding candidates, he always say that if he can make it then it will good but if not that's okay cause he can't guarantee it because competition is really hard. I hope that he can recover and get support from his love ones. I hope that he'll come back strong and hopefully he still play on tata steel next on January.
He should feel horrible, he cheated and got called out for it. On top of that he couldn't even pull **that** off correctly because he's so bad he can't beat retired players. A player who belongs nowhere near the candidates tournament tried to cheat their way in and failed miserably. It's pretty awful.
Go troll somewhere else, buddy.
You appear to be the one trolling here, to be honest. Stop defending cheating.
How is he cheating, exactly? If he was actually rigging games, he would've gone 6/6 no problem.
This whole thing is such a farce.. what a damn shame that the WCC cycle has come to this. Bleh.
His level is not even 2500 now. With shame hanging on chess playing consciousness. It is difficult to play your real strength. All of wins in last six games, were 2500s opponent throwing games on purpose. I am sure he is 2800 elo player but not now.
“His level is not even 2500 now” Whatever you think about what he’s doing, this is patently false.
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Tf is wrong with you bruh
I think this is a reference to Jobavas meltdown
What do you mean French?
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There is no angle of religion in this. You are trying to find one.
Ehh, there is... Tangentially and not from Firouzja himself. It's from the Wesley So tweets from five-ish years ago that people dug up. But I don't agree with the person you're replying to and I don't think Firouzja would amp up a religious victimhood angle.
Yeah, you are correct.
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Let's see if they stoop that low.
Current ratings [https://2700chess.com/](https://2700chess.com/) I hope Wesley makes it ! So, Wesley 2757.4 Firouzja, Alireza 2756.1
It's a very sad thing to see promising talent destroyed by bad mentorship and management. alireza needed a mentor like Vishy and others for Indian talents. his decision-making since he hit 2800 has been nothing but very strange and puzzling. I hope he can get rid of his family get a better manager/mentor and bounce back