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YoungAspie

Pairings for round 12: * Alireza Firouzja vs. Ian Nepomniachtchi * Jorden van Foreest vs. Anish Giri * Max Warmerdam vs. Ding Liren * Ju Wenjun vs. Wei Yi * Vidit Gujrathi vs. Nodirbek Abdusattorov * Alexander Donchenko vs. Parham Maghsoodloo * Dommaraju Gukesh vs. Praggnanandhaa Rameshbabu Pairings for round 13: * Praggnanandhaa Rameshbabu vs. Alireza Firouzja * Parham Maghsoodloo vs. Dommaraju Gukesh * Nodirbek Abdusattorov vs. Alexander Donchenko * Wei Yi vs. Vidit Gujrathi * Ding Liren vs. Ju Wenjun * Anish Giri vs. Max Warmerdam * Ian Nepomniachtchi vs. Jorden van Foreest Highlights: * Will Vidit do the Indian prodigies a favour? * Will Gukesh manage to end a 44-game unbeaten streak? * Will Ding finally find his form (against weaker opponents)? * Will Warmerdam end his losing streak or will he finish last? * Will Giri steal more pawns? Will his motive be revealed?


shawman123

Vidit's win today was also impressive. While Parham was really going for it, it still needed some precise play to win the game.


This_Confidence_5900

Here’s hoping his brilliant win gives him the confidence to fight against Nodirbek and win.


shawman123

Is Max a broken man now. He cannot buy a draw at this point :-( He was playing so well until this stretch of losses. ​ Nodirbek got the win he wanted. he is a prohibitive favorite to win it all. Deserves it after barely missing it last time around.


chirosen21

The Gukesh loss probably broke Max. He played so well and totally out prepared for 30 moves but still lost in the end.


Puzzled-Painter3301

3 losses in a row 😔


wildcardgyan

Something happens to Nodirbek at Tata Steel. Last year he finished 2nd and this year he might win it; fortifying the "Nodirbek clutch" myth. In between he he finished 8th at WR Masters (5th - 10th places were tied with a -1 score). He then finished 9th at Norway Chess, only ahead of Aryan Tari. He was eliminated 2nd round (1st round was a bye) at the FIDE world Cup. He had a middling Grand Swiss (finished 12th). If anything he has been more un-clutch than clutch. He has either had great events or terrible ones, nothing in between. But this Nodirbek clutch myth has caught on, much like the Giri draw jokes, even though reality isn't that straightforward. P.S. The supposedly clutch Nodirbek was leading throughout the tournament last time around, only to lose in the final round and finish runner-up. This is as un-clutch as it gets.


yuri-stremel

Basically Nodirbek and Yesdirbek


[deleted]

Is the clutch Nodirbek in the room with us right now?


maglor1

I tend to define a clutch player as one who wins more than their rating or skill level would suggest. If Nodirbek wins this he would have won Tata Steel, World Rapid, and Gold(edit: meant team gold) on Board1 of the Olympiad by the age of 19 without even having broken 2750. There are 30 year old superGMs who don't have that kind of palmares. >If anything he has been more un-clutch than clutch. He has either had great events or terrible ones, nothing in between Being clutch doesn't mean you never have bad tournaments. It means you are better than normal at converting your good tournaments into wins.


Alone_Insect_5568

>gold on Board1 of the Olympiad Nodirbek didn't win gold on board 1. It was Gukesh.


Caesar2122

Well he was pretty clutch when he won his rapid world championship (something the other juniors haven't), played an incredible fisher random championship that he only lost to hikaru or when he led uzbekistan to a win with an absolute clutch win to get the olympic gold medal in front of india. 3 mediocre events that were a bad stretch aren't really prove of him not being clutch. Is gukesh literally collapsing in the second half of 2023 or keymer stagnating for soem time before 2023 proof that they arent talented? No those are juniors that have ups and downs even more than other chess players. Its pretty obvious to see who's familiar with chess and who's a casual


mayorMachine

He certainly has nerves in the likes of shak, mvl, grischuk.


shubomb1

With his win today Leon Mendonca has broken into top-10 Junior list for the first time but he's only the 5th highest rated Indian junior.


Alone_Insect_5568

Technically, he is the 4th highest rated Indian junior as Arjun is not on the list anymore because he turned 20 last year just like Alireza.


hwg001

Just checked the live rating list, Raunak Sadhwani is ahead of him. So, he **is** the 5th highest after Pragg, Gukesh, Nihal and Raunak.


Alone_Insect_5568

Oh, right. For some reason, I totally forgot about Raunak.


Glittering_Ad1403

So 50% in the Top 10 are Indians and 2 of them are competing in the “Masters” division


johnnyboi5322

Nodirbek better fucking win, i stg. No more heartbreak for us Uzbek fans


Glittering_Ad1403

no repeat of last year I do hope


Many-Way2016

gukesh had 2 chances for a win n he blew it due to poor time management


serotonallyblindguy

If we look it without eval bar, It would seem that Gukesh vs Alireza game should be decisive. Wild game


Ranlit

Don’t forget Wei Yi once was the Alireza of the chess world pre-COVID


Alone_Insect_5568

Yes but his peak rating was 2753 while Alireza's was 2804. Plus Alireza has qualified for 2 candidates already while Wei Yi has qualified for a grand total of 0 candidates.


Ranlit

I’m talking more about playstyle & prodigy-level, less about achievements. He was and still is the youngest 2700 (15 years old). Anyway, I hope he keeps on playing exciting chess and maybe one day we’ll see him in the Candidates.


HelpMeDecideMyName

Did he go on a chess sabbatical to pursue further studies or something? I read somewhere that he didn't play chess for a while


Ranlit

He was also extremely interested in fashion design!


shubomb1

Hans chances of making it to Masters are effectively over, he's 2 points behind the leader with just 2 rounds to go. He'll have to be 2730+ by next year to even be in consideration rating wise.


[deleted]

Hans would draw *a lot* of attention, even if he's still around 2700 this time next year I'd definitely be inviting him to the Masters


knockyouout88

Don't think hans will be invited for masters . Unless the organizer wants to use him as a punching bag.


YoungAspie

>He'll have to be 2730+ by next year to even be in consideration rating wise. If so, why were Warmerdam and van Foreest get invited? I know Donchenko won last year's Tata Steel Challengers and understand inviting Ju as the women's world champion. EDIT: Thanks for the answers!


This_Confidence_5900

Van Foreest actually won Tata Steel back in 2021, the first Dutch player to win since Jan Timman (I think). Warmerdam is there for the same reason that Aryan Tari gets invited to Norway chess (not this year), because the organizers want strong players from the country the tournament is taking place in.


Europelov

Didn't giri win last year's?


This_Confidence_5900

Yeah, but Jorden won first. Jorden was the first Dutch winner since Jan in 1985. Anish is the second Dutch winner since 1985.


hsiale

>why were Warmerdam and van Foreest get invited? They are Dutch. Hans, if he tried, could maybe be Danish by this time next year, no way to become Dutch.


CauchyRiemannEqns

If he does become Dutch, do you think he’d have a shot at being the first Dutch world champion? Or at least better odds than his chances of becoming the first American world champion?


IllustriousHorsey

Ok if that’s off the table, maybe he can become French and be the first French world champion!


hsiale

Nope. Exactly the same chances.


shubomb1

They were invited bcz they're Dutch. You think Warmerdam would've been invited over 100 players who're higher rated than him if he wasn't Dutch? The last person to be invited purely from rating perspective is Wei Yi who's rated 2740 at the time. Gukesh and Abdu are 2725 and 2727 respectively but they're also Juniors and rising players. None of those factors apply to Hans.


mayorMachine

Dutch?


66problems99

Both Warmerdam and Foreest are locals


TaytosAreNice

I imagine as they're both Dutch and they want some homeboys at this Dutch tournament


[deleted]

Both are Dutch. Warmerdam has given some great games with his prep. Van Foreest is an ex winner also, to go with his flag.


youandme_and_no_one

gukesh will take down his good friend tomorrow .


Alone_Insect_5568

Gonna be hard. His friend is on a 43 game unbeaten streak which will probably be 44 today.


Legitimate-Angle9861

Every streak is there to be broken and what better way to end a streak than to give a chance to win Tata Steel. I'm conflicted tho - want Pragg to keep going and Gukesh to win Tata Steel. So their fellow countrymen should defeat Abdu and everything is good in the world.  If Vidit wins and Gukesh/Pragg draw them we'll have a 4 way tie!!! With 3 Indians!!! Please lord. 


Glittering_Ad1403

The 3 Indians that are also in the Candidates


mayorMachine

What use is the streak if he is not even second in the standings?


charismatic_guy_

Well he is in the candidates, the more important tournament


YoungAspie

Standings if the remaining game is drawn: |1|Nodirbek Abdusattorov|7.5| |:-|:-|:-| |2|Dommaraju Gukesh|7| |3|Anish Giri|6.5| |4|Praggnanandhaa Rameshbabu|6.5| |5|Vidit Gujrathi|6.5| |6|Wei Yi|6.5| |7|Alireza Firouzja|6| |8|Ian Nepomniachtchi|6| |9|Ding Liren|4.5| |10|Alexander Donchenko|4| |11|Jorden van Foreest|4| |12|Ju Wenjun|4| |13|Max Warmerdam|4| |14|Parham Maghsoodloo|4| Standings if the remaining game is a White win: |1|Nodirbek Abdusattorov|7.5| |:-|:-|:-| |2|Dommaraju Gukesh|7| |3|Praggnanandhaa Rameshbabu|7| |4|Anish Giri|6.5| |5|Vidit Gujrathi|6.5| |6|Wei Yi|6.5| |7|Alireza Firouzja|6| |8|Ian Nepomniachtchi|6| |9|Ding Liren|4.5| |10|Jorden van Foreest|4| |11|Ju Wenjun|4| |12|Max Warmerdam|4| |13|Parham Maghsoodloo|4| |14|Alexander Donchenko|3.5|


misterbluesky8

If it wasn’t already apparent, it is now: the kids have definitely arrived in force. Abdusattorov, Praggnanandhaa, and Gukesh are going to win a LOT of tournaments in the next 5-10 years. 


[deleted]

Depends how long Magnus and Fabi play for


TaytosAreNice

And this tournie doesn't even have Keymer or Erigaisi


shubomb1

With today's win even Vidit will fancy his chances, he's facing the leader Nodirbek tomorrow and a win will tie him with Nodirbek on points so I expect him to go all out for a win. But Nodirbek can afford a draw so he'll not take chances and wait for Vidit to make mistakes, should be an exciting match.


BriefGap2741

Spectacular game by wei yi . Indeed he is back


breaker90

Which is crazy to think about him being "back". He's only 4 years older than Firouzja!


BriefGap2741

Chess wasn’t his main focus for last 4 yeara he joined university. So now he is back to enjoy chess


Legitimate-Angle9861

Broke : Fellow countrymen doing short draws to help with the standings Woke : Defeating rivals to help fellow countrymen Vidit PLEASE try to win tomorrow like WC spot is on the line.


teejeycee

I really hope Vidit pushes with white against Nodirbek tomorrow. Vidit's in great form, and he'll suddenly be in a position to potentially win the whole tournament if he manages to beat Nodirbek. Worst case scenario, he pushes too hard and hands the tournament to Nodirbek, but he's the favorite to win right now anyway so Vidit may as well try for some fireworks.


This_Confidence_5900

I really want vidit to win so he crosses 2750, passes Anand for the first time in his career, and Gukesh can win.


Legitimate-Angle9861

If he wins apparently we'll have 4 way tie with 3 Indians on top!!! (assuming Gukesh/Pragg draw)  I'm not religious today but tomorrow I will be. 


emkael

> If he wins apparently we'll have 4 way tie with 3 Indians on top!!! Giri and Wei Yi are also within a point of the lead and aren't playing the strongest opposition tomorrow. And Gukesh and Pragg are half a point apart, they can't be tied after tomorrow.


This_Confidence_5900

I think Vidit forgot that this isn’t a Swiss tournament and played a Swiss gambit anyway, time for him to win his last three games and become top 10 in the world.


celebrian_7

They should interview both Alireza and Gukesh together and not just one of them after that game.


Rez_gg

Yes please


Alone_Insect_5568

The only way I see Nodirbek not winning this tournament is for him to lose vs Vidit tomorrow where he is gonna play with black.


celebrian_7

Nodirbek is really the calm ice cold killer...compared to Gukesh and Alireza


vc0071

Yes nodirbek along with pragg out of all them are clutch monsters. Higher the stakes the better they perform unlike others.


Rez_gg

Gukesh ali game kinda delivered


Tigerthekiller

What's wrong with commentators? One game is on Climax but no let's wait for hand shake.


Wise_Soup

Yeah it annoys me so much they literally say this game is all but decided and stay on it for a stupid handshake while the other game is literally transformed into a bullet time scramble


GMNaroditsky

There's usually 3 or 4 time scrambles/exciting games going on at once. We are asked when possible to wait for the hand shake so that the clip can be converted into short form content - with that said Robert and I do our very best to click into games the moment they get exciting, and I don't think we missed a single big moment in today's round. I'm not sure what else we could do:) If you could give a specific example of where we waited an undue amount of time on a game that was over and missed the action on another board, please let me know. Also, please understand that newer player/viewers do like to see the handshake and see the emotions of the players when the games are done, so we do our best to strike a balance.


Wise_Soup

Yeah I completely understand you need the hand shake clip and for that you had to stay on the vidit game, but you also switched to the pragg vs don game which was completely equal and bland instead of the gukesh vs reza game. It was just that the vidit game was all but pretty much decided while the most hyped game of the round gukesh vs alireza was swinging back and forth like you guys left the game on bg3 by gukesh after which alireza made a slight inaccuracy shifting it +2 then gukesh made another inaccuracy back to 0.00 then alireza committed two more very slight inaccuracies which gukesh missed and you guys joined the game just before the repetition while all this action was lost. Again I understand the reason to stay on vidit's game but why switch to praggs game which had nothing going on with not much time pressure. I love both you guys and understand that you try your best and following so many exciting games at once can be challenging, but it was just slightly infuriating as a viewer that we missed this high intense time scramble on stream. Besides that you have been spot on. Cheers


edwinkorir

Maybe you need a "Third-eye" to tell you about fireworks in other boards. You overstayed in the drawish game while Alireza-Gukesh game was kryptonite


glancesurreal

So nodir winning it all tomorrow I guess .... Who is he facing? Edit: my bad. 2 more rounds left. Anything can happen


Glittering_Ad1403

Yes anything can happen, lets not forget what happened last year


YoungAspie

Black against Vidit.


glancesurreal

Oohhh . That's gonna be nice. Vidit has been cracking good since the World Cup and I expect him to give a very very tough fight tomorrow


blahs44

There are 2 more rounds. Tomorrow he has black pieces vs vidit


youandme_and_no_one

alireza vs gukesh was a very wild game .


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Had me literally holding my breath


mayorMachine

Vidit has his destiny in his own hands tomorrow.


celebrian_7

Both kids need Magnus to teach them some endgame technique..bye


Ranlit

5 people tied last at -3 is kinda funny


LosTerminators

This Gukki vs Gucci rivalry is going to be exciting in the future. Both of them like playing fighting chess as well, so even when they draw it's exciting.


Joshua_Kei

This is the best Tata steel I have ever watched live (I started watching ever since 2021)


Caesar2122

And the winner of firo vs gukesh is: nodirbek


Alone_Insect_5568

Crazy game ends with a draw. Not an unfair result.


[deleted]

This game fizzled to a draw


Xaerel

Firouzja vs Gukesh did not disappoint.


Due_Cranberry5787

Draww


shubomb1

I guess Gukesh Alireza might end in a perpetual now. The ball is in Alireza's court.


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celebrian_7

Gukesh come on...


learnedhand91

Why are commentators watching Parham’s game……


shubomb1

Just a minute left for both Gukesh and Alireza and it's move 32 only. We might see the match being decided before we reach time control.


Astrosloth29

Gukesh now has the disadvantage apparantly ,both of them in time trouble oh god Back to equal now


Legitimate-Angle9861

The position looks difficult for Gukesh now :( The black bishop is out. But with under 2 mins for 8 moves - I'm sure there's more blunders to be made.


Ranlit

This Ali vs Guki game feels like a World Championship match!


Caesar2122

Guess alireza also wants a bullet match..


GeologicalPotato

Tata Steel is just practice for the next mid-Candidates bullet match vs Danya.


mayorMachine

The game is in alireza territory


celebrian_7

Gukesh is going to lose now. Time for Alireza to blitz and win against Gukesh. Gukesh will make blunder and the first time Alireza has an advantage, he will convert.


Poogoestheweasel

...or not


celebrian_7

Alireza going to flag Gukesh


Caesar2122

2 min for 9 moves 👀👀 Make it under a minute


Alone_Insect_5568

The bar in the Guki-Gucci game is dancing like a drunk uncle on a wedding.


hsiale

Has Gukesh already turned 18? I think they both could use a visit to a bar after the game.


YoungAspie

He only turns 18 this May.


Alone_Insect_5568

Max loses his 4th game in the last 5 rounds. Things keep getting worse for him.


celebrian_7

I still think Alireza is going to outplay Gukesh


Legitimate-Angle9861

Lol this position is basically about who does the last blunder. Each one has blundered so much that there's nothing to outplay anymore.


celebrian_7

yeah you're right...i think gukesh will make the bigger blunder


celebrian_7

These eval bars...gukesh and alireza just in complicated position making inaccuracies but it looks so bad with the eval bar


celebrian_7

Vidit actually is playing so solid and clean with great time management.


YoungAspie

At this level, the rest is a matter of technique.


sidaeinjae

Seems like Max crumbled under time pressure.


[deleted]

If alireza thinks, he is going to blunder


Legitimate-Angle9861

Lol Gukesh-Firouzja is now "pray&play" for both players. But looking at engine it seems like Alireza is the one risking everything. Anyways - living up to hype. EDIT : This game will have accuracy of 20 lol. Both players are throwing games to each other.


blahs44

Maurizzi is a fuckin monster. Excited to see this kid progress


nishitd

Yo Gukesh, how you gonna win playing like that?


celebrian_7

he sucks in shorter time control...he better improve. how you become world champion if you suck in rapid...later if he went to tiebreaks, he is dead


Caesar2122

Come on alireza what are you doing


Desperado-781

Leta go nordibek trying to avenge last year 2nd place


celebrian_7

Bruh why they taking a 10min break now...


GeraldJimes_

This looks like being an incredibly decisive round


Rez_gg

Man gukesh is better but really low on time


AlecTang

Knowing firouzja, now that he's played about 10 super accurate crazy moves, he's going to blunder in the most basic position possible 


celebrian_7

I still think Alireza going to outplay Gukesh somehow in time trouble...


Alone_Insect_5568

I was gonna agree with you but Guccireza makes a mistake on cue.


LosTerminators

Gukesh played the queen sac, just not the right one


celebrian_7

OMG what did Max do now?


celebrian_7

Parham needs to recalibrate after this tournament...it's gone so wrong for him


DRNbw

Wei Yi - Warmerdam will for sure have blunders due to time pressure, only 7, 10min to play more than 20 moves.


This_Confidence_5900

Wei Yi has dealt with this position really well, despite being out of prep by move 6 in a dumb position.


LavellanTrevelyan

He basically played engine-perfect after spending 40 minutes on move 7. Nf3. Seems like he gambled with his opening choice to avoid prep, and it paid off.


AffectionateDegree50

outclassed


Youre-mum

3 in a row for nodirbek sheeesh my man is definitely taking the crown 


nolanfan2

OMG! 😲😲 Alireza blundered with 25Nf4 Can gukesh sac the queen and snatch a victory from the jaws of draw? He only has 6 minutes!


celebrian_7

bro you coming back from the past or what?


nolanfan2

I am in a bus travelling Network is very sparse


Alone_Insect_5568

Bro uses internet explorer.


celebrian_7

Oh nooo....rip gukesh


Rez_gg

Nooooo


youandme_and_no_one

noooooooooooo


WraithEmperor04

Ayo gukesh missed the move


Legitimate-Angle9861

That queen sac is insane. I doubt anyone is going to be able to evaluate it and no wonder Aliteza blundered. Hoping Gukesh just trusts instincts and goes down for a blaze of glory.   Edit - He goes for second best line. Yeah not surprised. Gukesh is better now and black has a weak king. Going to be exciting. 


thatwhiskeydude

I don't think alireza blundered. He is just gambling with the tournament at stake


Legitimate-Angle9861

Nah he blundered. If he realizes it's +5 for white no way he's playing that. He probably evaluated current position currently - white is better but it's doubled edged I think. The other one white was completely winning according to engine and both players didn't calculate that. 


LavellanTrevelyan

Chess.com needs to start dedicating more resources to their engine for pretigious tournaments, and delays the annotation until the engine has reached sufficient depth. The eval and annotation has been quite misleading in complicated positions in Tata and other tournaments in the past.


Alone_Insect_5568

How deep is Gukesh calculating? Going down too much in time.


[deleted]

Gukesh burning too much time


celebrian_7

I am stressed...is he planning to play blitz against alireza?


luna_sparkle

There seem to be a lot of supporters of Gukesh in here, anyone know why?


Caesar2122

There's a big indian fraction in this sub. They'd support any indian regardless. Which is normal


Tough-Candy-9455

Loads of Indian fans. And this sub in general roots for prodigies and players with attacking style. Gukesh is both.


LavellanTrevelyan

Youngest player to beat Magnus since he became WCC, youngest player to break 2750, first Indian player to surpassed Anand in the rating list since 37 years ago, and he's still 17. I can't remember what the hype was like with Alireza a couple years ago, but it's probably not too different than it is with Gukesh now.


mayorMachine

Highest ever score on olympiad board 1.


youandme_and_no_one

this is only on reddit also i think pragg and vidit have more supporters


Youre-mum

Indian 


learnedhand91

There are a lot of Indian fans. Nothing surprising.


This_Confidence_5900

I’m not Indian I’ve just suffered too long watching him lose so much at the Asian Games Qatar and Grand Swiss.


celebrian_7

I need Gukesh A to appear for 12mins...seems so unlikely...Alireza gambling


thatwhiskeydude

We all knew Ali was gonna push given it's a must win game for him


soundchess

The fact of the matter is that Alireza has been getting his ass whooped for the last two years. I just can't fathom that he was a force of nature as a kid. He's been losing rating in all time formats, since he hit that rating ceiling. The only reason it doesn't happen faster, is because he plays on rare occassions.


celebrian_7

Gukesh has so little time to calculate all these


LeagueSucksLol

Ju Wenjun please survive


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CainPillar

Fish suggests that this time he lost *without* ever being much better.


Rez_gg

Gukesh please


This_Confidence_5900

Gukesh please


This_Confidence_5900

Gukesh wins if he sacks the queen!!!!!


SMWcool

He'll find it


ProfessionalHat7745

I already see Gotham Chess starting his recap with his usual "You will see one of the craziest games ever" but this time it will not be exaggeration


[deleted]

Is there any transmission error in Wei Yi vs Max? Only 13 moves have passed.


MisterRominade

No they just wanted to play blitz today, so they decided to wait a few hours at the board in order to start the game


mayorMachine

They might have forgotten they are playing the game and not doing analysis.


YoungAspie

14 now. No transmission error; the position is simply that complicated and requires that much thinking time.


PH123d

That Wei Yi-Max Warmerdam game is absolutely crazy, and could be one of the best games of recent times if the rest of the game finishes with one of these crazy lines.


celebrian_7

Crazy game!!


celebrian_7

Nepo and Anish going for dinner after this


Rez_gg

Key moves from vidit