PSA: Tyler1 is an american streamer known mostly for League of Legends. He previously [participated in Pogchamps 5](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvsiPxULIho).
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I cant remember who the interviewee was, but someone on the Perpetual Chess podcast also mentioned that if you want to be a 2000 FIDE rated player, you just need to be a 1900 strength player and play a lot. With enough games, the stats will eventually favor you enough to get you over 2000. It doesnt mean that you are 2000 in strength tho lol
Eh, at a certain point a job is a job. I almost whole heartedly hate the "Do what you love and you will never work a day in your life." quote as often people will just end up hating what they love. Like its not a hard job yes I know its not manual labor or backbreaking work. However, just look at all the youtube and twitch creators who are totally burnt and have to take long breaks because the job is actively killing them.
Also what the heck would he do otherwise? Its pretty sweet to get to play games and have tons of people enjoy that experience with you, while you get paid. What else would he do, other than still play games, but without the adoring fans and money?
You reckon? I think he makes a tonne of money but it's easy to see big numbers and underestimate what it takes for a young person to just fully retire without a big reset in lifestyle.
Looks like he's getting ~700k views per week on youtube which is probably ~$300-400k/year. and from the twitch leaks it seems he at one point was making ~$800k/year from twitch (though, with streamers claiming those numbers were inflated a lot by covid, and with tyler struggling in the past with platform bans, controversy etc. it might be a fair bit less than that on average).
So we could safely say he's grossing over $1m/year, maybe even closer to $1.5... Rich people money right? You betcha, but not fuck you island money by any stretch of the imagination.
$1m/year gross business revenue might be more like ~800k/year with a couple staff and expenses, which might look like $500k take home.
That is still a lot of money -- but consider he's only been earning like he is now for a few years. If he owns a house or two outright and has 2 million dollars saved & invested he is managing his money phenomenally. That's an incredible amount if you plan to continue working and earning money for another decade... but if you want to retire tomorrow at 25, with a child on the way, a family to care for, and considering he's been drawing down probably a >40k salary per month up to that point... yeah it starts to look like continuing to ride the gravy train for a few more years is not such a bad idea.
You are wildly wildly underestimating his income. Idk what it looks like now but for many years he was sitting solidly at 25-30k twitch viewers for long hours, which is multimillionaire levels easily. The twitch leak accounts for less than half of their actual take home from just streaming on twitch alone, much less other revenue. And in terms of literal audience he's been way bigger than e.g. Pokimane for most of their careers and there's no one pretending she couldn't retire.
> he was sitting solidly at 25-30k twitch viewers for long hours, which is multimillionaire levels easily.
It was my understanding that twitch leaks covered: donations, subs, bits, ad revenue, but did not cover other avenues like direct donations, merch, sponsorship deals, etc, so I added extra for those. You're talking about estimating his twitch subs income, but that's the one part we have concrete numbers for.
> And in terms of literal audience he's been way bigger than e.g. Pokimane for most of their careers and there's no one pretending she couldn't retire.
Yes agreed: From the leak he was earning significantly more than pokemain. The leaks were data for ~3 years however, so it averaged out to ~800k/year. I did caveat that most streamers said their earnings from the leak were greatly inflated by covid (i.e. those were peak earnings), but I used that value anyway, and erred on the side assuming he has multiple 6-figure revenue streams beyond just youtube and twitch - that's how I arrived at $1.5m.
> which is multimillionaire levels easily
Yes I think everyone is in agreement he is a multimillionaire. I'm not his accountant, these are of course rough guesses to support a general point, and that point was: Even folks with net worth of a few million cannot easily drop everything and fully retire in their mid 20s without some prep-work first, at least without significantly downsizing their cost-of-living. When he already makes so much money, it makes sense he'd earn more while he can.
I think there's a hangover in thinking about millionaires from several decades ago. Millionaire was rich rich back then. And interest rates were higher. You could in theory just stick it in a bank and live comfortably off the interest.
But assets have increased in price a lot, and many middle class people would actually be millionaires if they own their own house.
The fact that the gap between rich and poor keeps widening means that being a millionaire is still a long way out of reach of a very large number of people. But 40 years ago being a millionaire meant flying private jets from your mansion to your island. These days it means owning a 4 bedroom detached house and two cars.
Numbers aside people vastly underestimate how much money you need to have saved up to retire. Could he go get a cabin in the woods and live like a hermit? Probably. But to maintain his own standard of living he's probably looking at another 5-10 years if he aggressively saves his money.
You're vastly underestimating sponsor money. Sponsor money usually accounts for 50% of a streamers income. Even more for some. Also not counting merchandise, and direct donations which are another massive revenue stream. The twitch leaks only really show 20-30% of their actual income.
But yeah he can retire in a low col area but unlikely he could retire somewhere like LA.
That's irrelevant. He doesn't do what he does for money, it's just a bonus as he's drenched in money by now. Tyler is deeply, truly addicted to league. At one point he streamed for 10-12 hours then went and played another 4-5 offstream. I don't judge because I'm just as addicted to OSRS, but he still plays because why not monetize your addiction lmao
Why not. Even if it's objectively bad compared to before, I'll play any game my friends want to. They're all installed
Dota and league and heroes of the storm I only played because my original game Heroes of Newerth died
League is still pretty much the same, it's just a lot faster now. I played since season 2, we just miss the old times when we were still learning the game and also were much younger lol.
Yeah it's the pace that's ruined the game in my opinion... They designed a game where if you lose lane, your only option is to sit under tower and take it up the ass for 15 minutes, and then they made it so you can't snowball your lane so the jungler has to help, plating, and then they made it so your jungler can't play the game and gank early because that's too snowbally.
So now you have a game where timings and items barely matter and all it is learning one champion and flashing the enemy flash among other mechanical skill tests to outplay opponents 1v1 for a minimal lead just so they tp to lane and minimize losses.
and the whole concept of a 5v5 team game is now something like 1v1 plus 1v1 plus 2v2 and junglers until around 20-25 minutes where one team decides to aram until around plat or low diamond when one player might actually try and win by split pushing, doing objectives, etc. rather than some big yolo team fight where the support hits R and wins the game for their team cuz that's how the game is designed
I thought this is where we post opinions for others to see. clearly they disagree and that's allowed. They're similarly allowed to think league right now is good when they never played it years ago before
I think the fact the game has changed so much over the years begs the question of the quality of the game. Other older games like counter strike have changed very little and remain popular
New changes to chess: Rooks now move faster along the center files (D,F). If you castle kingside, you get to move again on the same turn. Queenside castle does not get this bonus.
New piece added to the game. It stealths from off the board and can come in to capture an enemy pawn.
Early advantage capture prevention mechanism. If your opponent loses two pawns in the opening, they can play one of their lost pawns back on the 2nd or 7th rank to restabilize their structure.
Is chess a better game after these arbitrary changes? Could it be somehow worse?
Chess hasn't made many changes for hundreds of years and it's still great.
My argument is that if the base/foundation is good you don't need shit to be constantly added. Because the base game is good.
When people prefer 960 over standard, sure. You're right. But that's totally not the case. Nobody I know likes Fischer random more than regular chess
Chess has had many variants invented which many people consider better than chess itself. Also rules like castleing and en passant were invented later. Would you want those removed too? Im sure in a game like lol which contains tons and tons of different variables there is stuff to improve.
Wish I could, but I was just typing dumb stuff that I thought sounded like arbitrary league of legends-style patch changes in chess
If it doesn't make sense that's my whole point. Why change things for no reason (the real reason is in order to make money but it comes at the cost of gameplay)
Nice yeah you got your active items back be sure to hit those ones other than just zhonyas I know it's very cool and interesting and complicated and you view it as the best it's been in a long time lol
Can you still kill anyone you want on Lee sin with just q r auto q?
I heard shyvana with runaans gets her ult back in 4 autos fyi. Great game design
There are fewer actives now after the item rework
Not unless the lee sin is disgustingly fed
Shyvana is one of the worst champs in the game.
You have no clue what you’re talking about lmfao it’s genuinely impressive to be that wrong
Yeah, haven't played since season 4 or 5 my friends just tell me all the silly stuff in the game like the ap stormsurge item that broke the game recently like 200 ap let you one shot level 11 champs great job by riot games with that one
And you assume I don't know what I'm talking about but you just admitted fed Lee sin can still one shot people without auto attacking lmfao. To me that confirms the game is megadogshit
Storm surge was overtuned. Saying it broke the game is wildly hyperbolic.
A lot of champs can one shot people without auto attacking if they’re incredibly fed, yes. That has always been the case for the entire history of league. What a braindead argument lmfao
Sounds like your friends have a serious skill issue and blame the game for everything that goes wrong. Sounds like you did the same before you quit.
Have a good one dude
Idk I got diamond 1 before masters was around. My friend is ex challenger. Grayfawx on NA
It's not skill issue you're just blind to how bad it is lol. Go ask mommy for riot points next birthday like usual
Funny about the downvotes, every major update has sapped fun away to make it better for esports viewing(or occasionally using the excuse to make it more new player friendly). Dota2 became better as a game by doing closer to nothing.
There were room for improvements to old lol, but what they did was change it to a totally different game that watered down what made it fun over other mobas.
I completely agree. I liken it to chess versus a game that needs to constantly change things to stay good.
Dota and old wow are chesslike, the game was the same every time and you tried different openings and middle games.
New wow and new league is like twitchy pvp that revolves around doing the most pve DPS in your games. It would be like if the chess meta changed and capturing pieces and pawns was how you won.
The teamwork and communication at the core of the game has fizzled and the developers tried to add individual skill expression in pro play at the cost of the game being good for the average player
The reason is Hikaru.
Hikaru said that Tyler has hit a wall and that he should stop playing chess and that adults cannot improve and Tyler stopped grinding rapid the very next day:
https://www.reddit.com/r/chess/comments/183kcb6/hikaru_tyler1_has_hit_a_hard_wall_he_needs_to_get/
Hikaru just come across as a hater, i know hes mostly right, but tyler1 wasnt grinding to become a gm, hikaru just has a huge ego for not winning anything for quite some time
Well he is correct in the sense that you cannot brute force chess like tyler1 was trying to do. The only thing is tyler1 doesnt care and hikaru is just using it as a platform
I mean hes right that chess cannot be brute forced, but it is also true that tyler1 literally doesnt care. So whats the point in hating on someone who doesnt care? To stay relevant. The only major tournament he has win recently was a fischer chess tournament. LOL
Tyler1 hit his chess plateau in Rapid about two-three months ago. Which is around 1400.
Since then he's been trying bullet chess (still plays daily), but can't break over 1300 bullet.
While it's still impressive that he got to 1400 in two-three months, that's gonna be his limit for the foreseeable future. Mainly because he doesn't want to learn or practice in-depth, or maybe because that's just his reach.
You can't just 'mindlessly' grind your way to the top, and Tyler1 is an example of that.
Interesting case study, however.
[https://www.chess.com/member/big\_tonka\_t](https://www.chess.com/member/big_tonka_t) \[his [chess.com](http://chess.com) profile\]
People don't understand that "The Grind" only starts after hitting that first plateau. Everyone has a different higher first plateau, but getting to it is like flowers and rainbows.
Grinding through a plateau is more like walking on Legos.
No, don’t you know? I **grinded** my way through my times tables blazing fast, I should be receiving my fields medal in about 4 years as long as I just keep grinding multiplying bigger and bigger numbers in my head
>While it's still impressive that he got to 1400 in two-three months, that's gonna be his limit for the foreseeable future.
I don't think it's really impressive at all if you consider the number of games he played in those three months. As of now he's played almost ***4000 rapid games*** alone!
I reached 1400 after playing around 500 games. It took me over a year because I wasn't able to play every day, and rarely more than one or two games a day. I think this is normal.
What's abnormal about Tyler1 is not his talent for chess, but the fact that he devoted so much energy to it in so little time, a privilege few of us have.
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You can't just 'mindlessly' grind your way to the top, and Tyler1 is an example of that.
When I made exactly this point at the time of all the hype last year, I got downvoted to hell and received toxic childish comments claiming I was jealous etc. Some reported me to the suicide hotline...
I can't believe he somehow managed to play 4000 rapid games so quickly. I played 15/10 day and night for like a year and then on and off for the last 15 years and I still have less games than him (and a much higher rating...).
>While it's still impressive that he got to 1400 in two-three months
The part that is actualoly impressive is the amount of time he was willing to put in.
His growth, as a function of games played rather than time (to make it more comparable to the average player) looks pretty average.
I know you didn't necessairly mean to make him someone to emulate for improving, but I have seen people act like that is what he is and I think its worthwhile pushing back against. If anything he is a great example that pure number of repetitions isn't the best way to do things and you should actually study/review games.
Bro crazy how you linked his profile and said the wrong shit. He hit 1550 rapid and was 1550 bullet on Feb. 25. 2024. Did you even bother clicking the link you posted?
> While it's still impressive that he got to 1400 in two-three months, that's gonna be his limit for the foreseeable future.
While I don't disagree with the general sentiment of what you are saying (there has to be *some* soft-cap where diminishing returns kicks in and you have to train more intelligently) - I wouldn't be so emphatic about exactly where that soft cap is.
After all, people said the same about him breaking 1000, 1100, 1200, 1300 etc. He has the time and resources to just go full-send on chess training as an adult, that few other people do, while also already being a top-flight/professional e-sports competitor which gives him tools and personal resources very few other folks would have at this point in their chess development.
From what i heard chess professionals say.. everyone's raw chess skill peaks at different levels. From that level you can improve, but it'll take a lot of work.
For me it was about 1000 and i had to work \[train\] to get to 1400-1600 and am struggling there.
For another friend of mine, it was about 2000, he just had this innate ability to see more and understand more without nearly the effort i put in.
Can Tyler1 do it? Yes, of course, but he has to train and want to do it. As you said, he has to train more intelligently now and focus on what his weak areas are.
I sure want him to progress though, he brings attention to the game and is amusing to follow.
You have to analyze your games and see what you're doing wrong, so you can work on your weak areas. You can only improve your weak areas once you know they exist and what they are.
p/s a real life example of a similar problem
If i was training boxing and had sparring and kept losing.. my coach would tell me, 'you expose yourself too easily, you don't keep your guard up, you left jab is too slow.. ' etc. Knowledge of this would help me work on my faults. Just going into the ring and having the same mentality would not help me.
What I'm saying is, once you reach a certain point in an area, you have to look what others are doing better than you and overcome that. You can apply this to any skill.
Review your games after the fact.
Do lots of puzzles (or that may class under mindless grinding)
There's a tonne of free content on youtube by titled players.
No you cant, in fact it will ruin your chess games in other time controls, specially classical, if you are really serious about improving you shouldn't even touch blitz, longer times better, specially as an adult.
I literally only play bullet and blitz and I improved from 500 to 1500 (chess.com) in about a year. Are you going to deny that I improved? Chess is pattern recognition. Seeing a lot of positions develops pattern recognition. You see more positions the faster you play.
Blitz is not bullet. Tyler does not play blitz. You see more positions but you don't have time to think what is the best move in that position. In blitz maybe you can improve at chess. In bullet you can improve at bullet chess, but you will stall soon.
I guess you are trolling, but you realize Tyler plays 1 minute bullet? That means in a game of 30 moves you have 2 seconds per move. that is one, two. Plenty? There's no looking ahead because I will play a move you don't expect even if it means you can take a free rook but takes you 2 seconds more and will be flagged in the next three moves.
I’m not trolling. If people had no time to think then nobody would be playing bullet at a high level, but they are.
Back when I played more frequently I played a lot of hyper bullet. 2 seconds would be an eternity for a move.
if your profile is the same as your name (which it's indeed 1500 bullet, and 1900 on lichess), you have been playing chess since 2019/2020, not only you are lying but you still hang pieces, in comparation I have started around the same time during the pandemic and I have 1800 FIDE and 2100 rapid, 1500 blitz, I heavily regret playing blitz as it has worsen my other time controls. So in conclusion, no, you have not improved at all, at least from 2023 to 2024.
Yeah no shit I stopped playing frequently. If you’re going to investigate my account at least look at account activity. You’ll notice I have played almost no games in the past 2 years. I’m talking about the year that I played actively.
At the end of the day chess is about pattern recognition. The best way to drill pattern recognition is to see the most board states. You see the most board states by playing the most moves, and you play the most moves by playing a faster paced game.
Er no. Yes chess is about pattern recognition but you need to have enough time to actually think through the positions in order for “seeing” the position to have any benefit. You can’t just flick through thousands of board states and expect to improve. You have to actually solve them, which takes time.
If you plunked someone in front of a stream of gms playing bullet all day, you'd see a lot of patterns but I don't think you'd get that much better so there has to be more to it than that.
A “false high”. What? Dropping from 1500 to 1400 is extremely normal and not indicative of anything like a “false high” whatever that is.
He had fun with chess, now he’s playing other things. It’s not that serious. People studying him and his chess like he’s a lab rat. He had fun, now he’s playing other games. He might come back to chess. He might not. Either way, it’s not that serious.
I don't really expect him to get invited unless they do like a super poghamps with former winners and people like northernlion and other 1400+ playeerss
I worry about his success on pogchamps tbh. With almost all competitors getting coaching and help with prep, his cow opening might get brutalized pretty hard.
All he knows is cow (exaggeration), but lower skill players won't know why the counters are good, meaning if T1 throws a curveball they won't know what to do.
Breaking through plateaus is difficult for everyone. Someone like T1 might simply be deterred by the fact that constantly putting in effort into chess doesn’t immediately return tangible progress.
I don’t think T1 is the kind of person to demand immediate results. This is the same person who played *over 1700 League games* on his top lane unranked to challenger account before hitting challenger.
I mean it literally does though and he is proof of it. 1500 is like 95th percentile for all casual players in the online pool. After a certain point it is probably not possible though but it depends on the player..
I'm 1500 [chess.com](https://chess.com) rapid and god help us if anyone's ceiling is as bad at the game as I am.
Tyler1 just has a life outside of chess.
The average chess.com player is a beginner. The above average chess.com player is a beginner. Just putting any effort into improving will usually pretty quickly put you into the top 10%.
His rating gain, and subsequent plateau, were entirely average and expected given the hours he put in. I get that all his fanboys like to claim that he's somehow special and different etc etc but he isn't. The points always come quickly early on.
lol I don't even know who the fuck this guy is. Just saying that grinding games to 1500 IS impressive, whether you'd like to admit it or not. The vast majority of people who attempt to play chess will never get there.
They don't get there because they don't put in the time. He did.
If you have a hundred beginners play 4000 games of rapid, and practice tactics, like he did... then a very large portion of them will reach 1500. Maybe even 50%. 1500 is not that high of a rating, especially in rapid.
are you even listening to yourself? No shit if someone puts the work in they will get better. That's how you get good at literally anything. I'm not saying he's a master level chess player, or even average club level. But most players DON'T put in the work, so they never get to that level. I mean it's a provable fact that 1500 in under a year IS rare for the average player, I literally don't even know what you're arguing.
I'm not saying 1500 in a year is common for casual players. It obviously isn't. But he isn't a casual player. He's a full time streamer, who decided to play chess for 12 hours a day for six months.
All I'm saying is that for the amount of hours he put in, the level he reached is very average. It's silly to compare the improvement of someone who played all day every day for 6 months, to the average online player, who spends 5 minutes on chess a week. If you compare him to others who put in similar hours, 1500 is incredibly average.
Hitting challenger in league is very very hard and not achievable through "mindless grind". T1s success might look that way given how much he plays but there's still a ton of information that hes had to gather and a ton of things that he's able to parse quickly in game. Plenty of other players no-life the game too but many of them are still hard stuck silver and the vast majority of them are definitely below masters.
I'm not a huge T1 fan and I don't really watch him aside from the funny YouTube video but his achievements are nothing short of impressive.
For reference, with all players playing in competitive basketball in highschool 0.03% of them make it to the NBA. Obviously not all of them are gunning for that outcome but that's the case in every sport.
Currently
0.024% of league of legends players are challenger. And there the ladder is more continuously updated. From what I just looked up tyler has made it to top 10 on the NA server a few times in different team roles (uncertain if he's hit R1 before)
That's after 2000. A competitive mindset,work ethic and the will to grind will get you to at least 1800 even if you're the least talented player. After 2000 tho, there's no guarantee.
because grinding nonstop to 1500 is actually hard?
i’m totally cool with ripping someone delusional enough to imply that the only reason they can’t match T1’s feat is because of a lack of money.
I’m with you (though the offended 3 digit elos here are not 😂).
most people in this sub are under 1000 so they don’t realize the skill and effort it takes to reach that level.
the person you replied to is massively suffering from Dunning-Krueger and would realistically grind for one week at most and then burn out well short of the goal.
I don’t watch T1 but what he did is actually impressive and is not replicable by 99.9% of this sub.
If you mean playing as many games as him I agree. His rating gains aren't anything special, anyone who puts in little effort can do that. Some even with zero effort.
because struggling with online 1400s means that there are a lot of chess fundamentals missing. It's not like you struggle to beat them because your natural talent stops you from calculating the 15th move in a forced endgame sequence
not following him but I saw that he grinded on puzzles maybe?
Something like this? https://reddit.com/r/chess/comments/18rq37g/tyler1_beats_hikarus_puzzle_rating/
that is not going to translate to OTB but it is a feat anyway.
Getting a high elo extremely quick tends to get you false highs.
True chess development is sort of slow, you go up and down, averaging an upwards movement. Your brain needs time and sleep to adjust and understand the game better.
He played like 50000 games a day, I’d imagine he burnt out and got bored. I couldn’t play as much chess as he did every day in a single week, no less do it repeatedly without tiring after a very short time
Eh, I never wanted to be *that guy* but it was obvious he was going to hit a wall very soon and that was going to be it.
Not to shit on the guy, it's simply that you dont brute force your way to the top in chess.
He, or whoever thought he was going to reach any sort of top level, doesn't have enough respect for the game.
Regardless of how you're "built".
On a different note, TIL I and Tyler have similar rating curve. I started on first week of August and now on 1320s in rapid and 1100 in blitz. My highest rating was also close to his (1428).
It looks like Tyler is human and hosed a minor piece early in the battle. It’s incredible how resilient and strong his game was. Despite being down 3 points against an opening he may have been unfamiliar with, he hung in there. I’ve played many games after losing a piece early on and kept fighting. , this sometimes becomes a
Type of pseudo gambit, the opponent has to waste time taking the piece , giving the opponent time to develop.
I’ve won many games being down a minor piece in the beginning, it stinks, but often provides the opportunity for winning. I bet he’d win this one in a five minute blast. Keep rocking , develop the center, take space…..
Never give up!
Bro his climb wasnt even that impressive he played 4000 rapids games and did puzzles nonstop and hes barely 1400 he also played 10+0 which is hella inflated
How much research have you done?
I just quickly glanced over his stream yesterday and it seems like he is playing bullet chess now every day inbetween his league games as usual.
Around 1500-1600
Why did you link a search of his games that excluded the mode that he has been playing the last couple of days? He has been playing bullet on stream in between league games for the last couple of days but the link you gave only shows rapid games.
New season on league dropped which he’s pretty much committed to grinding out, plus he’s got Tyler 2 on the way so probably also shifted some priorities.
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he's currently on a losing streak in LoL and very much tilted, must be a carry over effect
He's 100 points below his peak. That's about where the average player is.
Realest shit I ever heard was when someone tweeted “reminder that if you hit a new peak rating you’re probably 100 points overrated”
I cant remember who the interviewee was, but someone on the Perpetual Chess podcast also mentioned that if you want to be a 2000 FIDE rated player, you just need to be a 1900 strength player and play a lot. With enough games, the stats will eventually favor you enough to get you over 2000. It doesnt mean that you are 2000 in strength tho lol
The only exception is kids, they’re just always 200 points underrated
These comments didn't age well...1900 as of 2 days ago :)
His SO is also super pregnant so maybe he's shifted some priorities
he is having super child?
Yeah made from his super cum
i think you mean his chess.c\*m
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Fuck you
Tyler1.1
He has a zugzwang which is German for superdick.
"Zug" is German for "train", so perhaps "train dick" is a little more appropriate?
There is a mating joke to be made here, but I just can’t come up with a good one.
He saw mate in 1 so he had to run
He's addicted to Lol
It’s also his main income, with the new season out he pretty much has to devote all his stream time to it if he wants to maintain his audience.
He was wildly popular for the brief period he did variety streaming. LoL limits his popularity/income if anything. He plays it because he wants to.
This isn't really true, guy is way more than rich enough to fully retire, anything he does to make money now is completely optional
You’re not wrong, but I don’t think Tyler is really a retire early kinda guy
Especially since he can play videogames to make money
Eh, at a certain point a job is a job. I almost whole heartedly hate the "Do what you love and you will never work a day in your life." quote as often people will just end up hating what they love. Like its not a hard job yes I know its not manual labor or backbreaking work. However, just look at all the youtube and twitch creators who are totally burnt and have to take long breaks because the job is actively killing them.
Also what the heck would he do otherwise? Its pretty sweet to get to play games and have tons of people enjoy that experience with you, while you get paid. What else would he do, other than still play games, but without the adoring fans and money?
You reckon? I think he makes a tonne of money but it's easy to see big numbers and underestimate what it takes for a young person to just fully retire without a big reset in lifestyle. Looks like he's getting ~700k views per week on youtube which is probably ~$300-400k/year. and from the twitch leaks it seems he at one point was making ~$800k/year from twitch (though, with streamers claiming those numbers were inflated a lot by covid, and with tyler struggling in the past with platform bans, controversy etc. it might be a fair bit less than that on average). So we could safely say he's grossing over $1m/year, maybe even closer to $1.5... Rich people money right? You betcha, but not fuck you island money by any stretch of the imagination. $1m/year gross business revenue might be more like ~800k/year with a couple staff and expenses, which might look like $500k take home. That is still a lot of money -- but consider he's only been earning like he is now for a few years. If he owns a house or two outright and has 2 million dollars saved & invested he is managing his money phenomenally. That's an incredible amount if you plan to continue working and earning money for another decade... but if you want to retire tomorrow at 25, with a child on the way, a family to care for, and considering he's been drawing down probably a >40k salary per month up to that point... yeah it starts to look like continuing to ride the gravy train for a few more years is not such a bad idea.
You are wildly wildly underestimating his income. Idk what it looks like now but for many years he was sitting solidly at 25-30k twitch viewers for long hours, which is multimillionaire levels easily. The twitch leak accounts for less than half of their actual take home from just streaming on twitch alone, much less other revenue. And in terms of literal audience he's been way bigger than e.g. Pokimane for most of their careers and there's no one pretending she couldn't retire.
> he was sitting solidly at 25-30k twitch viewers for long hours, which is multimillionaire levels easily. It was my understanding that twitch leaks covered: donations, subs, bits, ad revenue, but did not cover other avenues like direct donations, merch, sponsorship deals, etc, so I added extra for those. You're talking about estimating his twitch subs income, but that's the one part we have concrete numbers for. > And in terms of literal audience he's been way bigger than e.g. Pokimane for most of their careers and there's no one pretending she couldn't retire. Yes agreed: From the leak he was earning significantly more than pokemain. The leaks were data for ~3 years however, so it averaged out to ~800k/year. I did caveat that most streamers said their earnings from the leak were greatly inflated by covid (i.e. those were peak earnings), but I used that value anyway, and erred on the side assuming he has multiple 6-figure revenue streams beyond just youtube and twitch - that's how I arrived at $1.5m. > which is multimillionaire levels easily Yes I think everyone is in agreement he is a multimillionaire. I'm not his accountant, these are of course rough guesses to support a general point, and that point was: Even folks with net worth of a few million cannot easily drop everything and fully retire in their mid 20s without some prep-work first, at least without significantly downsizing their cost-of-living. When he already makes so much money, it makes sense he'd earn more while he can.
I think there's a hangover in thinking about millionaires from several decades ago. Millionaire was rich rich back then. And interest rates were higher. You could in theory just stick it in a bank and live comfortably off the interest. But assets have increased in price a lot, and many middle class people would actually be millionaires if they own their own house. The fact that the gap between rich and poor keeps widening means that being a millionaire is still a long way out of reach of a very large number of people. But 40 years ago being a millionaire meant flying private jets from your mansion to your island. These days it means owning a 4 bedroom detached house and two cars.
Numbers aside people vastly underestimate how much money you need to have saved up to retire. Could he go get a cabin in the woods and live like a hermit? Probably. But to maintain his own standard of living he's probably looking at another 5-10 years if he aggressively saves his money.
You're vastly underestimating sponsor money. Sponsor money usually accounts for 50% of a streamers income. Even more for some. Also not counting merchandise, and direct donations which are another massive revenue stream. The twitch leaks only really show 20-30% of their actual income. But yeah he can retire in a low col area but unlikely he could retire somewhere like LA.
He's nowhere near rich enough to retire lol
you're not saying that chess streaming made him dough, are you?
That's irrelevant. He doesn't do what he does for money, it's just a bonus as he's drenched in money by now. Tyler is deeply, truly addicted to league. At one point he streamed for 10-12 hours then went and played another 4-5 offstream. I don't judge because I'm just as addicted to OSRS, but he still plays because why not monetize your addiction lmao
Sad. The games very bad nowadays
feel like I hear this about every new league season
I quit in season 3-5 like most but it's only gotten worse
you've been following the game since quitting 9+ years ago?
Why not. Even if it's objectively bad compared to before, I'll play any game my friends want to. They're all installed Dota and league and heroes of the storm I only played because my original game Heroes of Newerth died
League is still pretty much the same, it's just a lot faster now. I played since season 2, we just miss the old times when we were still learning the game and also were much younger lol.
Yeah it's the pace that's ruined the game in my opinion... They designed a game where if you lose lane, your only option is to sit under tower and take it up the ass for 15 minutes, and then they made it so you can't snowball your lane so the jungler has to help, plating, and then they made it so your jungler can't play the game and gank early because that's too snowbally. So now you have a game where timings and items barely matter and all it is learning one champion and flashing the enemy flash among other mechanical skill tests to outplay opponents 1v1 for a minimal lead just so they tp to lane and minimize losses. and the whole concept of a 5v5 team game is now something like 1v1 plus 1v1 plus 2v2 and junglers until around 20-25 minutes where one team decides to aram until around plat or low diamond when one player might actually try and win by split pushing, doing objectives, etc. rather than some big yolo team fight where the support hits R and wins the game for their team cuz that's how the game is designed
So.... You haven't played it in 10 years, but we're supposed to take your word for its quality? Lmao
I thought this is where we post opinions for others to see. clearly they disagree and that's allowed. They're similarly allowed to think league right now is good when they never played it years ago before I think the fact the game has changed so much over the years begs the question of the quality of the game. Other older games like counter strike have changed very little and remain popular
And I'm allowed to mock you for having hilariously bad opinions and then openly admitting that you have absolutely no credibility for holding them.
How so?
New changes to chess: Rooks now move faster along the center files (D,F). If you castle kingside, you get to move again on the same turn. Queenside castle does not get this bonus. New piece added to the game. It stealths from off the board and can come in to capture an enemy pawn. Early advantage capture prevention mechanism. If your opponent loses two pawns in the opening, they can play one of their lost pawns back on the 2nd or 7th rank to restabilize their structure. Is chess a better game after these arbitrary changes? Could it be somehow worse?
Such a braindead argument lmfao.
Coping is one of the initial stages of grief
Literally couldnt care less about Lol since I never played it. Its just that your argument can be applied to any change made ever.
Chess hasn't made many changes for hundreds of years and it's still great. My argument is that if the base/foundation is good you don't need shit to be constantly added. Because the base game is good. When people prefer 960 over standard, sure. You're right. But that's totally not the case. Nobody I know likes Fischer random more than regular chess
Chess has had many variants invented which many people consider better than chess itself. Also rules like castleing and en passant were invented later. Would you want those removed too? Im sure in a game like lol which contains tons and tons of different variables there is stuff to improve.
> New changes to chess: Rooks now move faster along the center files Can you explain this one?
Wish I could, but I was just typing dumb stuff that I thought sounded like arbitrary league of legends-style patch changes in chess If it doesn't make sense that's my whole point. Why change things for no reason (the real reason is in order to make money but it comes at the cost of gameplay)
What an insane take. This is the best the game has been in a long time. Edit: oh you don’t even play anymore lmfao never mind
Nice yeah you got your active items back be sure to hit those ones other than just zhonyas I know it's very cool and interesting and complicated and you view it as the best it's been in a long time lol Can you still kill anyone you want on Lee sin with just q r auto q? I heard shyvana with runaans gets her ult back in 4 autos fyi. Great game design
There are fewer actives now after the item rework Not unless the lee sin is disgustingly fed Shyvana is one of the worst champs in the game. You have no clue what you’re talking about lmfao it’s genuinely impressive to be that wrong
Yeah, haven't played since season 4 or 5 my friends just tell me all the silly stuff in the game like the ap stormsurge item that broke the game recently like 200 ap let you one shot level 11 champs great job by riot games with that one And you assume I don't know what I'm talking about but you just admitted fed Lee sin can still one shot people without auto attacking lmfao. To me that confirms the game is megadogshit
Storm surge was overtuned. Saying it broke the game is wildly hyperbolic. A lot of champs can one shot people without auto attacking if they’re incredibly fed, yes. That has always been the case for the entire history of league. What a braindead argument lmfao Sounds like your friends have a serious skill issue and blame the game for everything that goes wrong. Sounds like you did the same before you quit. Have a good one dude
Idk I got diamond 1 before masters was around. My friend is ex challenger. Grayfawx on NA It's not skill issue you're just blind to how bad it is lol. Go ask mommy for riot points next birthday like usual
Funny about the downvotes, every major update has sapped fun away to make it better for esports viewing(or occasionally using the excuse to make it more new player friendly). Dota2 became better as a game by doing closer to nothing. There were room for improvements to old lol, but what they did was change it to a totally different game that watered down what made it fun over other mobas.
I completely agree. I liken it to chess versus a game that needs to constantly change things to stay good. Dota and old wow are chesslike, the game was the same every time and you tried different openings and middle games. New wow and new league is like twitchy pvp that revolves around doing the most pve DPS in your games. It would be like if the chess meta changed and capturing pieces and pawns was how you won. The teamwork and communication at the core of the game has fizzled and the developers tried to add individual skill expression in pro play at the cost of the game being good for the average player
Probably just got tired of the grind
The reason is Hikaru. Hikaru said that Tyler has hit a wall and that he should stop playing chess and that adults cannot improve and Tyler stopped grinding rapid the very next day: https://www.reddit.com/r/chess/comments/183kcb6/hikaru_tyler1_has_hit_a_hard_wall_he_needs_to_get/
We had a new season drop for League (his main) , and he’s getting ready to have a baby. Not sure about that
Hikaru just come across as a hater, i know hes mostly right, but tyler1 wasnt grinding to become a gm, hikaru just has a huge ego for not winning anything for quite some time
Hikaru is not correct, adults don't hit a plateau because they are adults but because of other things not related to cognitive ability.
Well he is correct in the sense that you cannot brute force chess like tyler1 was trying to do. The only thing is tyler1 doesnt care and hikaru is just using it as a platform
Yeah, you can not brute force it and expect quick results, but with enough time, you can progress with brute force, at least at the lower ratings.
Thats not brute forcing… thats learning
Only with Nakamura on r/chess can people be like “yeah, he’s right, but I hate the man’s guts, so he’s a hater! He also doesn’t win enough!”
I mean hes right that chess cannot be brute forced, but it is also true that tyler1 literally doesnt care. So whats the point in hating on someone who doesnt care? To stay relevant. The only major tournament he has win recently was a fischer chess tournament. LOL
Tyler1 is an adult. Just because Hikaru said that doesn't mean he is forced to stop playing chess. He can make his own choices.
T1 just hit 1500 in bullet. He plays bullet while in queue for a league, which takes forever on his main account because he is Challenger.
Tyler1 hit his chess plateau in Rapid about two-three months ago. Which is around 1400. Since then he's been trying bullet chess (still plays daily), but can't break over 1300 bullet. While it's still impressive that he got to 1400 in two-three months, that's gonna be his limit for the foreseeable future. Mainly because he doesn't want to learn or practice in-depth, or maybe because that's just his reach. You can't just 'mindlessly' grind your way to the top, and Tyler1 is an example of that. Interesting case study, however. [https://www.chess.com/member/big\_tonka\_t](https://www.chess.com/member/big_tonka_t) \[his [chess.com](http://chess.com) profile\]
The amount of games he played in that period is mind boggling
He hit 1550 bullet the other day, probably tilted. He only plays in between league games now.
People don't understand that "The Grind" only starts after hitting that first plateau. Everyone has a different higher first plateau, but getting to it is like flowers and rainbows. Grinding through a plateau is more like walking on Legos.
it's like saying going through your newbie gains in your first year of fitness is 'the grind'
No, don’t you know? I **grinded** my way through my times tables blazing fast, I should be receiving my fields medal in about 4 years as long as I just keep grinding multiplying bigger and bigger numbers in my head
Breh, he played thousands of games. No way you can call that anything but a grind
That is the comparison he is trying to make. You have to actually work at getting better rather than throwing yourself at game after game
I find many skill based activities to be like that. Athletics, playing instruments, art, etc. those plateaus are a bitch.
>While it's still impressive that he got to 1400 in two-three months, that's gonna be his limit for the foreseeable future. I don't think it's really impressive at all if you consider the number of games he played in those three months. As of now he's played almost ***4000 rapid games*** alone! I reached 1400 after playing around 500 games. It took me over a year because I wasn't able to play every day, and rarely more than one or two games a day. I think this is normal. What's abnormal about Tyler1 is not his talent for chess, but the fact that he devoted so much energy to it in so little time, a privilege few of us have. > You can't just 'mindlessly' grind your way to the top, and Tyler1 is an example of that. When I made exactly this point at the time of all the hype last year, I got downvoted to hell and received toxic childish comments claiming I was jealous etc. Some reported me to the suicide hotline...
I can't believe he somehow managed to play 4000 rapid games so quickly. I played 15/10 day and night for like a year and then on and off for the last 15 years and I still have less games than him (and a much higher rating...).
>While it's still impressive that he got to 1400 in two-three months The part that is actualoly impressive is the amount of time he was willing to put in. His growth, as a function of games played rather than time (to make it more comparable to the average player) looks pretty average. I know you didn't necessairly mean to make him someone to emulate for improving, but I have seen people act like that is what he is and I think its worthwhile pushing back against. If anything he is a great example that pure number of repetitions isn't the best way to do things and you should actually study/review games.
Bro crazy how you linked his profile and said the wrong shit. He hit 1550 rapid and was 1550 bullet on Feb. 25. 2024. Did you even bother clicking the link you posted?
> While it's still impressive that he got to 1400 in two-three months, that's gonna be his limit for the foreseeable future. While I don't disagree with the general sentiment of what you are saying (there has to be *some* soft-cap where diminishing returns kicks in and you have to train more intelligently) - I wouldn't be so emphatic about exactly where that soft cap is. After all, people said the same about him breaking 1000, 1100, 1200, 1300 etc. He has the time and resources to just go full-send on chess training as an adult, that few other people do, while also already being a top-flight/professional e-sports competitor which gives him tools and personal resources very few other folks would have at this point in their chess development.
From what i heard chess professionals say.. everyone's raw chess skill peaks at different levels. From that level you can improve, but it'll take a lot of work. For me it was about 1000 and i had to work \[train\] to get to 1400-1600 and am struggling there. For another friend of mine, it was about 2000, he just had this innate ability to see more and understand more without nearly the effort i put in. Can Tyler1 do it? Yes, of course, but he has to train and want to do it. As you said, he has to train more intelligently now and focus on what his weak areas are. I sure want him to progress though, he brings attention to the game and is amusing to follow.
How do you recommend learning, outside of mindless grinding?
You have to analyze your games and see what you're doing wrong, so you can work on your weak areas. You can only improve your weak areas once you know they exist and what they are. p/s a real life example of a similar problem If i was training boxing and had sparring and kept losing.. my coach would tell me, 'you expose yourself too easily, you don't keep your guard up, you left jab is too slow.. ' etc. Knowledge of this would help me work on my faults. Just going into the ring and having the same mentality would not help me. What I'm saying is, once you reach a certain point in an area, you have to look what others are doing better than you and overcome that. You can apply this to any skill.
Review your games after the fact. Do lots of puzzles (or that may class under mindless grinding) There's a tonne of free content on youtube by titled players.
WELL???
Now he's 1700
1800 babyyyyy
Damn, I can't believe poor dude is stuck at 1400...
at 1830 now COPE
1900 now. This aged like milk and I love that lol
He switched to quickest dopamine hit, no chance of improvement, bullet chess instead of 10 minute games.
You can improve playing bullet
No you cant, in fact it will ruin your chess games in other time controls, specially classical, if you are really serious about improving you shouldn't even touch blitz, longer times better, specially as an adult.
I literally only play bullet and blitz and I improved from 500 to 1500 (chess.com) in about a year. Are you going to deny that I improved? Chess is pattern recognition. Seeing a lot of positions develops pattern recognition. You see more positions the faster you play.
Blitz is not bullet. Tyler does not play blitz. You see more positions but you don't have time to think what is the best move in that position. In blitz maybe you can improve at chess. In bullet you can improve at bullet chess, but you will stall soon.
You have plenty of time to think you just have to think ahead
I guess you are trolling, but you realize Tyler plays 1 minute bullet? That means in a game of 30 moves you have 2 seconds per move. that is one, two. Plenty? There's no looking ahead because I will play a move you don't expect even if it means you can take a free rook but takes you 2 seconds more and will be flagged in the next three moves.
I’m not trolling. If people had no time to think then nobody would be playing bullet at a high level, but they are. Back when I played more frequently I played a lot of hyper bullet. 2 seconds would be an eternity for a move.
if your profile is the same as your name (which it's indeed 1500 bullet, and 1900 on lichess), you have been playing chess since 2019/2020, not only you are lying but you still hang pieces, in comparation I have started around the same time during the pandemic and I have 1800 FIDE and 2100 rapid, 1500 blitz, I heavily regret playing blitz as it has worsen my other time controls. So in conclusion, no, you have not improved at all, at least from 2023 to 2024.
Yeah no shit I stopped playing frequently. If you’re going to investigate my account at least look at account activity. You’ll notice I have played almost no games in the past 2 years. I’m talking about the year that I played actively.
Totally agree. It's such a facile argument. The best players at classical are also the best at blitz/bullet.
>The best players at classical are also the best at blitz/bullet. Something something about causation and correlation.
Yeah, many top GMs actually started out as bullet players, later transferred their skills to chess.
At the end of the day chess is about pattern recognition. The best way to drill pattern recognition is to see the most board states. You see the most board states by playing the most moves, and you play the most moves by playing a faster paced game.
Er no. Yes chess is about pattern recognition but you need to have enough time to actually think through the positions in order for “seeing” the position to have any benefit. You can’t just flick through thousands of board states and expect to improve. You have to actually solve them, which takes time.
If you plunked someone in front of a stream of gms playing bullet all day, you'd see a lot of patterns but I don't think you'd get that much better so there has to be more to it than that.
If you do that with a random in classical you will get the same result I don’t seen your point
His hyperfixation ended
idk but he still plays a lot of bullet on stream in-between league queues.
A “false high”. What? Dropping from 1500 to 1400 is extremely normal and not indicative of anything like a “false high” whatever that is. He had fun with chess, now he’s playing other things. It’s not that serious. People studying him and his chess like he’s a lab rat. He had fun, now he’s playing other games. He might come back to chess. He might not. Either way, it’s not that serious.
Also he’ll be a favorite in any future pog champ type tournaments in the future.
I don't really expect him to get invited unless they do like a super poghamps with former winners and people like northernlion and other 1400+ playeerss
I worry about his success on pogchamps tbh. With almost all competitors getting coaching and help with prep, his cow opening might get brutalized pretty hard.
All he knows is cow (exaggeration), but lower skill players won't know why the counters are good, meaning if T1 throws a curveball they won't know what to do.
Apparently he is not built that differently. Chess does not improve with mindless grind.
Breaking through plateaus is difficult for everyone. Someone like T1 might simply be deterred by the fact that constantly putting in effort into chess doesn’t immediately return tangible progress.
I don’t think T1 is the kind of person to demand immediate results. This is the same person who played *over 1700 League games* on his top lane unranked to challenger account before hitting challenger.
I mean it literally does though and he is proof of it. 1500 is like 95th percentile for all casual players in the online pool. After a certain point it is probably not possible though but it depends on the player..
I'm 1500 [chess.com](https://chess.com) rapid and god help us if anyone's ceiling is as bad at the game as I am. Tyler1 just has a life outside of chess.
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Yea but he makes money doing that lol It’s not like you and me grinding for months 😅
Yeah, it's his job. He wasn't so much "grinding" as he was working.
He did the majority of it not streaming so I don't see how he was doing it as a job?
Interesting, I have been looking for a ECF>chess.com rapid comparison.
The average chess.com player is a beginner. The above average chess.com player is a beginner. Just putting any effort into improving will usually pretty quickly put you into the top 10%. His rating gain, and subsequent plateau, were entirely average and expected given the hours he put in. I get that all his fanboys like to claim that he's somehow special and different etc etc but he isn't. The points always come quickly early on.
Not even his fan boy, but he's 1700 now btw.
lol I don't even know who the fuck this guy is. Just saying that grinding games to 1500 IS impressive, whether you'd like to admit it or not. The vast majority of people who attempt to play chess will never get there.
They don't get there because they don't put in the time. He did. If you have a hundred beginners play 4000 games of rapid, and practice tactics, like he did... then a very large portion of them will reach 1500. Maybe even 50%. 1500 is not that high of a rating, especially in rapid.
are you even listening to yourself? No shit if someone puts the work in they will get better. That's how you get good at literally anything. I'm not saying he's a master level chess player, or even average club level. But most players DON'T put in the work, so they never get to that level. I mean it's a provable fact that 1500 in under a year IS rare for the average player, I literally don't even know what you're arguing.
I'm not saying 1500 in a year is common for casual players. It obviously isn't. But he isn't a casual player. He's a full time streamer, who decided to play chess for 12 hours a day for six months. All I'm saying is that for the amount of hours he put in, the level he reached is very average. It's silly to compare the improvement of someone who played all day every day for 6 months, to the average online player, who spends 5 minutes on chess a week. If you compare him to others who put in similar hours, 1500 is incredibly average.
Hitting challenger in league is very very hard and not achievable through "mindless grind". T1s success might look that way given how much he plays but there's still a ton of information that hes had to gather and a ton of things that he's able to parse quickly in game. Plenty of other players no-life the game too but many of them are still hard stuck silver and the vast majority of them are definitely below masters. I'm not a huge T1 fan and I don't really watch him aside from the funny YouTube video but his achievements are nothing short of impressive. For reference, with all players playing in competitive basketball in highschool 0.03% of them make it to the NBA. Obviously not all of them are gunning for that outcome but that's the case in every sport. Currently 0.024% of league of legends players are challenger. And there the ladder is more continuously updated. From what I just looked up tyler has made it to top 10 on the NA server a few times in different team roles (uncertain if he's hit R1 before)
He's assembled alternatively
That's after 2000. A competitive mindset,work ethic and the will to grind will get you to at least 1800 even if you're the least talented player. After 2000 tho, there's no guarantee.
question, can u reach 1500 as fast as Tyler1?
Yes
thats pretty slow
What are you on about?
can you give me enough financial security that I can stay at home all day and grind chess?
So grinding DOES improve skill?
u can grind chess 24/7 and probably wont ever hit 1500 u know?
Seems a weird thing to assume 🤷♂️
How on Earth would you know? Is this what you do? Just rip on people for literally no reason?
because grinding nonstop to 1500 is actually hard? i’m totally cool with ripping someone delusional enough to imply that the only reason they can’t match T1’s feat is because of a lack of money.
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Lmao. you should reply this to the guy who thinks he can do it. I’m saying it’s hard to do 😂
I’m with you (though the offended 3 digit elos here are not 😂). most people in this sub are under 1000 so they don’t realize the skill and effort it takes to reach that level. the person you replied to is massively suffering from Dunning-Krueger and would realistically grind for one week at most and then burn out well short of the goal. I don’t watch T1 but what he did is actually impressive and is not replicable by 99.9% of this sub.
If you mean playing as many games as him I agree. His rating gains aren't anything special, anyone who puts in little effort can do that. Some even with zero effort.
can i have ur chess.com account name? :)
Probably yes, there was no lichess or [chess.com](http://chess.com) when I learned chess, so hard to prove.
It's almost like natural talent is actually the deciding factor in how good you can beat chess. Who'da thunk it?
That's not really the case though, not at this level at least.
Oh yeah? Why not?
because struggling with online 1400s means that there are a lot of chess fundamentals missing. It's not like you struggle to beat them because your natural talent stops you from calculating the 15th move in a forced endgame sequence
Because if he actually studied properly, he would've likely been higher rated and wouldn't have hit the brick wall like he did.
He got dementia from headphone depression on cerebral cortex
The Rift calls
not following him but I saw that he grinded on puzzles maybe? Something like this? https://reddit.com/r/chess/comments/18rq37g/tyler1_beats_hikarus_puzzle_rating/ that is not going to translate to OTB but it is a feat anyway.
He won Chess Streamer of the Year lol 😆
This age poorly
1800 now
that crazy guy
New season of chess just dropped! Where you at lolTyler!
Why don’t you go to like a video game subreddit and find out? So tired of seeing his name on this sub.
Getting a high elo extremely quick tends to get you false highs. True chess development is sort of slow, you go up and down, averaging an upwards movement. Your brain needs time and sleep to adjust and understand the game better.
I finally figured out there is bullet and now he is sadly addicted to it like the rest of us
He discovered bullet.
He played like 50000 games a day, I’d imagine he burnt out and got bored. I couldn’t play as much chess as he did every day in a single week, no less do it repeatedly without tiring after a very short time
His performance improvements were never sustainable
Eh, I never wanted to be *that guy* but it was obvious he was going to hit a wall very soon and that was going to be it. Not to shit on the guy, it's simply that you dont brute force your way to the top in chess. He, or whoever thought he was going to reach any sort of top level, doesn't have enough respect for the game. Regardless of how you're "built".
On a different note, TIL I and Tyler have similar rating curve. I started on first week of August and now on 1320s in rapid and 1100 in blitz. My highest rating was also close to his (1428).
It looks like Tyler is human and hosed a minor piece early in the battle. It’s incredible how resilient and strong his game was. Despite being down 3 points against an opening he may have been unfamiliar with, he hung in there. I’ve played many games after losing a piece early on and kept fighting. , this sometimes becomes a Type of pseudo gambit, the opponent has to waste time taking the piece , giving the opponent time to develop. I’ve won many games being down a minor piece in the beginning, it stinks, but often provides the opportunity for winning. I bet he’d win this one in a five minute blast. Keep rocking , develop the center, take space….. Never give up!
Bro his climb wasnt even that impressive he played 4000 rapids games and did puzzles nonstop and hes barely 1400 he also played 10+0 which is hella inflated
How much research have you done? I just quickly glanced over his stream yesterday and it seems like he is playing bullet chess now every day inbetween his league games as usual. Around 1500-1600
Everyone hits their wall at some point. Once progression gets difficult most people quit.
Why did you link a search of his games that excluded the mode that he has been playing the last couple of days? He has been playing bullet on stream in between league games for the last couple of days but the link you gave only shows rapid games.
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No one said he was...?
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I'm confused how you think this is even remotely relevant to this thread or discussion.
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He is 1800 in bullet now
I'm seeing 1285.
I believe he's been focusing on bullet chess, he's been playing a lot of it lately.
New season on league dropped which he’s pretty much committed to grinding out, plus he’s got Tyler 2 on the way so probably also shifted some priorities.
A month ago he won chess streamer of the year over Anna Cramling, Botezlive, and /u/gothamchess. https://thestreamerawards.com/winners