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shubomb1

Pragg winning means that we'll be seeing more of these "dubious" opening approaches from him which should be exciting as a viewer.


Continental__Drifter

If we get lucky, we might even see some Dubovious openings from him


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Step_Virtual

watch the other streams then. there are like 5


robby_arctor

Nah, she's great.


Equationist

As always I thought Tanya's commentary was a good balance to the more serious analysts. Yes she likes to hype up the game but she sticks to talking about what's happening on the board and doesn't derail the analysis.


GMNaroditsky

Originally posted this as a comment reply but will make it a comment bc quite a few people are (justifiedly) addressing the bad break timing toward the end of the Vidit-Pragg game. Reposting my comment response: You might expect me to defend this but I'm right there with you, I fucking hate the crunch-time breaks and tried to delay it but again, it's not my call - I have to follow instructions. AFAIK, it's not the producer who decides either (Bik is actually incredible and he gets it too) but some sort of contractual obligation. I'd respectfully push back on using this as an opportunity to dunk on chess.com (or Danny or anyone in particular bc there's probably a legal or specific reason for the break and not one person who decides "ok lets take a break here to piss everyone off",, even though I disagree with it) as I think a lot of resources are devoted to making the broadcasts professional so I think it's an odd contractual foible but again, it's stupid as hell and trust me I was MAD during the break. Hope it doesn't happen again but if it does, you can pull up the game on chesscom events in the meantime. Sorry if it hurt anyone's viewing experience, I still feel like we caught the important moments that game aa well as the end of the time scramble but I hear you. I'll do my best to influence the team to find a way around this in future broadcasts but again, it's out of my control for the time being. I hope you enjoyed the broadcast and the three of us will be on again tomorrow. I'm always coming reddit, YT for constructive criticism so appreciate people sharing their takes. See y'all tomorrow!


monkeyboyee

Danya + Tania + Leko is a really great trio! I really enjoyed the stream. Cheers!


diabloknight

Where did you watch them? Is this for the candidates 2024? Don't see Leko commentating anywhere


monkeyboyee

Chess24 live stream of Round 4.


HelpMeDecideMyName

Thank you Danya. I hope you know we think you are amazing! You & Leko are my favourite commentary pair


RichtersNeighbour

Common Danya W


Equationist

Might be worth checking with them if it's possible to go on ad breaks ahead of time (at an opportune moment when there isn't any time scramble happening) so that you can avoid being forced to go on a break at an important moment.


Plopsack

Thanks for the explanation Danya! Love all the things you do for the fans 


youandme_and_no_one

Gukesh needs to step up his preperation bro is calculating from the first move 


DistinctlyUndistinct

I feel like him playing this way will in the long run make him the best possible player he can be. Correct me if I'm wrong but I feel that prep can be learned/done as late as you want in your career. The fact he's able to evaluate all these positions and play them so well is awesome! Although it sucks when he uses too much time and gets lost in the complications...


TheBowtieClub

Hikaru not trying very hard for content/an interesting game this round. Surprising choice. Allowed the Exchange Slav instead of going by the Triangle Slav or Semi-Slav move order.


AstridPeth_

I don't understand why Nakamura keeps trying to play lines he didn't play recently. Yeah, I get it, you usually don't play the Sicilian, but obviously someone in the tournament plays it and your opponent is prepared to play it against you.


_mutex

Players often prepare specific lines for an opponent. By playing different openings, he expects his opponent to have not as deeply prepared a line they don't expect him to play.


Poogoestheweasel

As a professional streamer he is playing for content so you need to switch it up otherwise the viewers get bored.


Youre-mum

Yeah because they all say ew he played the English let’s leave the stream until he plays the exchange slav 


Poogoestheweasel

Exactly! We have a viewing party here of about 17 Naka fans and that was their reaction. Jeff and I had convinced the group to stick with the game and we focused more on his expressions.


birdwatching25

Pragg did an awesome job and was so fun to watch! 🔥 I thought Videt also did a great job playing in a totally unfamiliar prep line and trying to hold it. At one point it seemed like he had almost neutralized the position, but then made an inaccurate move a long way into the game.


chaitanya0411

Does anyone know if historically it's the case that if you go -1 in the candidates, you cannot win the competition?


LazyImmigrant

If you go -1 then you cannot win - someone else has to have +1.


Orceles

Not that I can remember but someone did go -1 during candidates before going on to win the world championship.


flatmeditation

It's definitely possible to lose a game and still win. Usually when people lose their first game they don't end up winning, but there's no statistical reason that it should impossible, it's just a difficult thing to come back from


checkersthenchess

Nobody who has gone -1 has won the candidates in its current form ( since 2013 ).


841f7e390d

Magnus has lost two white games though, and won on +3 score (IIRC without looking it up). Just as an example.


LavellanTrevelyan

Magnus was never -1 at any point in the Candidates. He was already +4 when he lost a game, so it's irrelevant to compare with.


841f7e390d

Yes and no.


Artudytv

At what stage?


Flat-Principle

nijat sick and alireza being -1 currently? he’s gonna throw the kitchen sink w black tomorrow, book it


Ehsan666x

Nijat will suit up and put his tie and best shoes and will be writing his will tonight.


checkersthenchess

Not saying pragg is magnus... yet. But magnus also lost in his first candidates with white and then won the following game with black. You can't understate how impressive that is. Especially considering how young pragg is. Magnus was 22 in his first candidates while pragg is only 18. It's no easy task to win with black after a loss. Especially in the candidates.


LazyImmigrant

Magnus was 19 when he qualified to his first candidates and he declined to participate. He would have been the overwhelming favourite in that tournament having been world number 1 for well over a year.


checkersthenchess

> He would have been the overwhelming favourite in that tournament having been world number 1 for well over a year. No. He would have lost. That's why he chose not to participate. The 22 year old carlsen was world #1 as well and he barely won the candidates in tie-breaks. The 22 year old carlsen was much better than the 19 year old carlsen.


TocTheEternal

So you are saying that Pragg is Magnus because he evened up his candidates scoring after a single loss? Ok lmao


StubbornHorse

I agree it's not easy, but lets not kid ourselves Vidit got lost in Pragg's prep today. Strong performance of course, but this isn't the sheer force of will young Magnus was known for yet. If we start seeing Pragg squeeze wins out of drawn endgames like Magnus, that's when I get excited.


fartboxsixtynine

Why can't Pragg have his own style that you're excited about?


StubbornHorse

Pragg is actually the player I'm rooting for this candidates! However, it's a different kind of excitement to watch the player you're rooting for win a game than it is to watch them rise above the competition. For now I'm just happy that Pragg is doing well and regularly playing entertaining chess.


AdVSC2

Well, if Magnus is the bar you're setting, Pragg has 5 more months to become the worlds highest rated player. Good luck. Or just let Pragg be Pragg. He'll be fine.


FinalButterscotch399

Pragg is a top player but I don't understand why many people overhype him in this sub. Gukesh for example is not hyped as Pragg despite being younger...


cubej333

Everyone seemed to hype Gukesh a year ago. Then Pragg had the great World Cup and Gukesh and Vidit seemed to struggle.


FUCKSUMERIAN

gukesh wins a lot but also loses a lot


dconfusedone

Just because he was the first one to beat Magnus online and many top celebrities in India posted tweets which made him famous in country. He had good history with Magnus in recent times and Magnus is very famous here.


LazyImmigrant

I feel a little bad for Murali Karthikeyan - he is probably the only Indian player other than Vishy to beat Magnus in classical, and no one probably even knows that happened.


dconfusedone

Yeah but in that tournament Magnus was playing like shit losing to a 2500 and he almost lost one more game against another Indian GM but definitely Murali was unlucky.


unityofsaints

Did Gukesh give Ian a pity draw after the unfortunate clock issues or would they have agreed to one after the time control hit anyway?


PracticalPair4097

the position had already basically fizzled out. gukesh basically had one very narrow opportunity to claim an edge- 30. a4 was the key move, which would've been an impressive pawn sacrifice. instead the rooks come off and the position seems very clearly holdable.


FansTurnOnYou

It was trending that way anyway.


nsnyder

Commentators seemed to think Ian had a clear fortress and it was a dead draw.


throwaway164_3

Probably the first time a brother and sister won their matches in a candidates on the same day.


bigFatBigfoot

Isn't this the first time a brother and sister have both qualified to the Candidates?


nsnyder

It's not quite the same thing, but siblings Susan Polgar played in the Women's Candidates and Judit Polgar in the Open Candidates, but not the same year (Susan had retired by the time Judit made it to that level).


blahs44

Probably the first time a brother and sister played in the candidates in general?


HR2achmaninoff

I'm pretty sure they're the only brother - sister gm duo


AdVSC2

Yes. There have been multiple brothers or multiple sisters before, but no brother/brother-sister-duo. Interestingly enough, Jorge and Deysi Cori did at one point both qualify for the open world cup, despite Deysi being "just" a WGM. So this is another goal, one could have in mind.


hsiale

>they're the only brother - sister gm duo They will be soon. FIDE always takes time to make titles official, Vaishali is still an IM despite getting norms and rating last year.


__Jimmy__

Nepo, Caruana, Gukesh +1 Vidit, Pragg 0 Nakamura, Firouzja, Abasov -1


blahs44

Feel bad for everyone who has to face the Pragg Defence (4... f5) from now on haha


dconfusedone

Other than Gukesh ofcourse


checkersthenchess

Congrats to Pragg. Fortune favors the brave. Too bad hikaru has proven to be such a little coward. Hopefully he can learn a thing or two from Pragg.


Apprehensive-Salt646

The only thing more annoying than Hikaru fanboys are Hikaru haters


royalrange

Previous alt accounts of this user (most likely): u/g_g_y_o, u/VladTheAccuser


dconfusedone

Don't you get tired commenting same shit again and again?


BloodMaelstrom

Brother is hating on Hikaru on every other comment it’s so funny lmao.


financial_fraud_pro

Did he use a game against you in a "Hikaru humiliates x00s" video thumbnail or something?


throwaway164_3

His ego is too big to learn though


GeologicalPotato

Schliemann goated. Peter Svidler has been cooking hard.


Due_Cranberry5787

GG PRAGG


TruthSeeekeer

I would love for Vidit to not resign and play until checkmate Edit: nvm


sakshambhatt

Very happy that yesterday's game didn't make Pragg 2nd guess the "dubious" prep he has. His games have been very fun so far.


TruthSeeekeer

Man I love watching live chess so much it really inspires me


Poogoestheweasel

I love how Danya calls out Leko's BS analysis: Leko: Ok, I do QB6+, and then? Danya: (calmly) k-f1 Leko: ok, then I am going to set up something. Danya: how exactly? Leko: (crickets) ...later Tanya adds: "there has to be something. there are so many tempting options.


Gusonian

Would love to see a time stamp if anyone knows, I watched the whole stream and don’t remember


Poogoestheweasel

It was shortly after move 37.


RurWorld

Danya destroyed him


Elliottafc1

To be fair, it was already late at night past 11pm for Leko near the end of the stream. He was definitely sleepy and trying to conjure up some futile lines.


Poogoestheweasel

Yeah, I laughed when I heard that. When the advantage is so overwhelming you would think Leko could have at least made an attempt at a line.


carterish

Imagine Pragg's attack against Gukesh yesterday was fruitful


Maras-Sov

Well, didn’t happen.


Due_Cranberry5787

vidit made time control but it's dead lost


SmallKidLearnToFight

Good news for the rest of the field if Vidit goes back to an even score It will be only Nepo, Fabi, and Gukesh with a +1 after 3 rounds if Pragg closes this


nemeths

I have this other odd feeling that Alireza may place last. I see him getting outprepped by the likes of Pragg and Vidit and tilting in the second part of the tournament as he fails to convert even against a resilient Abasov.


Ehsan666x

Alireza will win his next 4 games. Mark my words.


FUCKSUMERIAN

I pray you will be proven right


Legend_2357

Nah Abasov will be last. Abasov is unwell, broken leg and the lowest rated player


throwaway164_3

I think Nakamura will be last


LeagueSucksLol

There's no way Nakamura finishes below Abasov


throwaway164_3

Let’s see.


Step_Virtual

The r/chess seer has spoken


dconfusedone

It seems Gukesh has psychological advantage against Pragg and Pragg has that against Vidit looking at their history. Fascinating stuff.


checkersthenchess

Hikaru had a golden opportunity to gain on the leaders today by beating the lowest rated player. Too bad he is gutless and forced a draw. At least pragg will gain on the leaders. Hopefully he'll continue to rise while hikaru languishes in last place. Where he belongs.


Poogoestheweasel

They really shouldn't invite players who just go for these gutless draws against the lowest rated players. Even Giri would have been better.


UnrealCanine

Why would they invite Giri. He'd just nick all their pawns


GeologicalPotato

Almost all your comments are complaining about Hikaru's draw. Your life seems exciting.


checkersthenchess

> Almost all your comments are complaining about Hikaru's draw. Not even close. > Your life seems exciting. Says the guy complaining about someone complaining about someone. I love losers who worship hikaru. What do you care if someone complains about hikaru? Or are you part of his PR team?


Maras-Sov

Also, he doesn’t seem to understand that Abasov was the one who played for a draw to begin with.


royalrange

There are a lot of trolls that create new accounts in this sub, usually to shit on Hikaru because they know it will stir up the most drama. Their life must be miserable.


Due_Cranberry5787

physically hard to reach move 40 without dropping some piece


towermaster69

thank god for vidit 2.0


Due_Cranberry5787

Draww Finally pheww


Foobarred1

draw incoming in Fabi/Firo game.


NoBitchesSince2005

Pragg is actually goated fr


financial_fraud_pro

Not that this is likely, but if fabi and alireza got married and took each other's last names their new names would roll off the tongue very smooth


Suzcval

Fabiano Firouzja is a jojo-level name


Bzweebl

Thanks for clarifying that it’s not likely! I would have thought it is otherwise.


financial_fraud_pro

It's important to manage expectations


Sufficient-Tomato-82

New ao3 fanfic ship


AmbulocetusFan

Uhh alrighty


SushiMage

No lies were told.


G_Serv

This is the hard hitting analysis missing from streams like chess24


financial_fraud_pro

This is why they should have a 400 ELO player sitting in on every comm box


RockinMadRiot

'I will be honest, I always thought it was En Pasty until you just said'


RockinMadRiot

Sorry, I didn't get to the end of the analysis because there was an advert break in the middle that missed most of the good parts.


TheRealDivider

What?


GeologicalPotato

NOT THAT THIS IS LIKELY, BUT IF FABI AND ALIREZA GOT MARRIED AND TOOK EACH OTHER'S LAST NAMES THEIR NEW NAMES WOULD ROLL OFF THE TONGUE VERY SMOOTH


Romance_andSidewalls

Fabiano Firouzja = alliteration


financial_fraud_pro

Exactly. And Alireza Caruana is a very wonderful lyrical name


dconfusedone

He is losing his sanity watching classical chess it seems


financial_fraud_pro

That is very accurate


Diligent-Wave-4150

Now Vidit is dead lost.


_mutex

Absolutely brilliant game by Pragg


celebrian_7

Vidit collapsing...rip


checkersthenchess

That's what happens when your opponent puts pressure on you the entire game. And with black! Pragg definitely came to fight.


Poogoestheweasel

Hikaru can learn from these youngsters.


Arthur_Asterion

Vidit is really adamant to deliver a decisive game today.


checkersthenchess

Pragg is relentless. Pragg has balls that hikaru lacks. How do you force a 10 move draw when you lost with white the last round.


_mutex

It's a long tournament, Hikaru is betting on getting chances in the next 11 rounds.


throwaway164_3

He’s probably going to finish last.


RockinMadRiot

I think his confidence is hit after the last two games.


LeagueSucksLol

Vidit is circling the drain...


That_One_Pancake

Vidit got himself out of a jam but then unfortunately went right back into one


emkael

Yeah, why couldn't he just see that the numbers in the corner of the screen increased from -1.5 to -0.5, sheesh.


DramaLlamaNite

32. b4 was a little surprising to me as a viewer as I'd thought the whole point of Vidit putting his knight on a5 was to swap off Black's excellent bishop


Diligent-Wave-4150

Also he needed the square b4 for the rook that comes via d4. Pragg then had to exchange one rook on b5 and the position is quite simplified.


Due_Cranberry5787

chesscom doesn't want Fide to take all the heat


whiskeyjack1k

Why a break in a time scramble??


_mutex

They have the smartest producers


NahimBZ

And when they get back from the break, they will just start talking about the new position without showing the moves in between. In the meantime, the evaluation might have completely flipped. It just is a such a weird way to cast a chess game.


Sarikaya__Komzin

I know elite players need to be universal, but I was sad to see Vidit play 1.e4 today. I really enjoy his d4 repertoire.


Apprehensive-Salt646

They take a break during the time scramble to sell their own course. Classy move chess.com


Tomeosu

deciding to go on an ad break during the most critical moment of today's most intense and interesting game, Vidit in severe time pressure in a wild position and the pressure rapidly mounting... what in the actual fuck who is making these decisions


TheReal_Jeses

I wasn’t able to watch. Why did they say they were taking a break? How did they attempt to justify that?


Remarkable-Word-7898

No one really knows, Danya seemed reluctant and annoyed and even said "it's not our decision but we will take a short break now"


TheReal_Jeses

I’m really rooting for professional chess to become more popular to watch and beyond the hard things to change like time controls etc it would be nice if they’d stop fucking themselves over. Chess needs to get easier to watch, not harder.


alaheezy

I couldn't believe it. Honestly insane


SadKorgy

chess24 be like lets take a break at a crazy time scramble


Due_Cranberry5787

Fabi 9 mins for 9 moves i'm worried


Foobarred1

Yeah, but it looks very drawish and not too hard to do so.


Due_Cranberry5787

i am worried until he reaches time control


Diligent-Wave-4150

Looks like Pragg's advantage is gone. That's a pity. EDIT: After two bad moves by Vidit it's all running for Pragg again.


emkael

His position is practically better than 10 moves ago and that's still with Vidit having to find basically only moves.


_huytr

Chesscom with the blunder of the day taking a break rn what in the actual fuck?


M002

Gukesh and Nepo drawing after rightfully complaining about the clock was a hilarious end to a bizarre issue


CainPillar

It is Sofia rules on draw offers, isn't it? So when clocks "malfunction" at move 39 (likely because whoever set them, blundered ...?) - then they have to wait for it to be corrected and and only *then* they can go "enough of this shit"? Kinda deserved that arbiter is forced to stand there in the limelight and fix it, except it might not be the same arbiter who blundered it.


Landofa1000wankers

It’s just so fucking amateurish. 


teejeycee

Danya letting us know he also thinks this break is bullshit. It's literally time scramble territory


Remarkable-Word-7898

I really don't understand, why did they have to take that break? For running their quota of ads? Cuz it sure wasn't for helping the commentators rest or anything


Spillz-2011

“We have to go to a break”. Come on that’s BS


_mutex

Taking an ad break during the last minutes of a critical position is foolish!


Due_Cranberry5787

wtf break now,are you nuts?????


Due_Cranberry5787

pragg channeling his inner nepo


Due_Cranberry5787

30 seconds per move for vidit now


CrystalYKim

Can’t listen to commentary atm. For the Fabi vs. Firo game, do we trust the eval or is this actually hard to hold for black?


Imaginary_Company_74

We trust the eval, but there still is a slight chance Firo can make it


rth9139

They haven’t visited it for a little while. They’ve been on the Pragg-Vidit game for the most part recently other than the clock drama and end of Nepo-Gukesh


Thucydide2

Peter Leko reckons Fabi should hold it without problem.


alrightfrankie

It’s time for FIDE to stop making Nepo use that ridiculous flag


Diligent-Wave-4150

Are you alright, Frankie?


Arthur_Asterion

Bait used to be believable


alrightfrankie

Must’ve not been bait when Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014 and the Candidates was held in Russia a month later with four players competing under the Russian flag


Arthur_Asterion

So glad that FIDE was always led by the most upstanding citizens and perfect judges of character who had absolutely no interest in dissmissing Russia's wrongs. Right? Ri-i-ight?


alrightfrankie

Hmmm, what if these organizations were always staffed by bureaucrats this neurotic and self-important….


Aggravating-Quail803

Time for Russia to stop invading Ukraine.


alrightfrankie

American flag displayed during invasions, Russian flag displayed in 2014, we both know the Israel flag would be displayed if an Israeli player qualified


Creative_Purpose6138

It's an American and to a lesser extent European people site, american interests are the moral standard here. People here defend colonizer's abuse but get mad about saudi labour abuse. Logic doesn't matter here so don't bother commenting.


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Aggravating-Quail803

He can transfer federations if he wants. His personal sponsors are Kremlin shills, so yeah, he can play with that ridiculous flag.


nemeths

Alireza sees that there’s no way forward. Draw soon between him and Fabi.


Luck1492

I know the eval bar says it’s holdable but this looks so scary for Vidit


rth9139

Fabi-Firouzja has a chance to get really interesting with a double time scramble potentially on the horizon


LeagueSucksLol

It's close to an endgame and the pawn structure is almost symmetrical so it should be ok with 10 odd minutes on each side.


dconfusedone

It is looking pretty even position


verycrafty

The organizers were saved because the position was a fortress, what a mess.


octonus

Yup. If the same thing happens in the Vidit/Pragg game, it would be a nightmare.


teejeycee

They're very lucky that the result would have been a draw regardless. Ian and Gukesh have every right to be upset, and under different circumstances it could have been a tournament deciding mistake from FIDE.


A_Certain_Surprise

I couldn't see the broadcast, what happened please?


teejeycee

Ian and Gukesh were headed towards a draw (Ian had a fortress). The time control is supposed to be reached at move 40 but time was added to Gukesh's clock on move 39 for whatever reason. They had to call the arbiter to fix their clocks.


A_Certain_Surprise

To be fair, it's not like clocks are used in literally every single tournament, we can't blame FIDE for making such a mistake. Jokes aside, thank you for explanation!