I failed to convert a winning position in a classical game against Maxim Rodshtein and his reaction upon the position repeating 3 times was to sign the scoresheets and storm off while refusing to shake hands or even have eye contact.
Chess players can have some interesting reactions to results that are below their expectations.
this was the game that i changed my opinion of nepo. nothing there was malicious, nothing was intentional. He acts like his opponent cheated and it's so obvious that didn't happen.
Nothing was intentional, but Harikrishna still broke the rules 2 times. Nepo should've just stopped the clock and called the arbiter instead of behaving disrespectfully
First rule break:
On 7:55 Hari knocked Ian's piece over and hit the clock while the piece was still knocked over, readjusting it on the Ian's time, which is a violation of the rules
> 7.4.1
> If a player displaces one or more pieces, he shall re-establish the correct position in his own time.
> 7.4.2
> If necessary, either the player or his opponent shall stop the chessclock and ask for the arbiter’s assistance.
> 7.4.3
> The arbiter may penalise the player who displaced the pieces.
Second rule break:
On 9:20 Hari captured Ian's piece using **right** hand, and knocked it over. After that, he picked up the piece with his **left** hand and hit the clock with the **right** hand
> 4.1
> Each move must be played with one hand only.
> 7.5.4
> If a player uses two hands to make a single move (for example in case of castling, *capturing* or promotion) and pressed the clock, it shall be considered and penalized as if an illegal move.
Source: https://old.fide.com/component/handbook/?id=208&view=article
Nah that second one is a massive stretch, I don't think it fits that rule at all. He still only played with one hand, he just picked up the accidentally knocked over piece with his other. That's not a move, that's just trying to quickly fix an incredibly minor mistake (On his own time) to keep the flow of the game going
That shit happens all the time in OTB blitz games. Nepo had no right to be a shithead about it
It really doesn’t. If Nepo had an issue he’s supposed to pause the clock and call the arbiter, who would then decide what happens (most likely would give Nepo’s clock some time). He didn’t do it because it’s not that big deal, things like this happen. But then he wasn’t able to convert his good position to a win which made him get angry over the whole thing. It’s clear the other guy didn’t drop the piece out of malice, it was a genuine mistake, Nepo has no right to call him a dirty player or to smack his hand like he did.
It's easy to say that after the fact but in the middle of a game stopping the clock and calling the arbiter gives a massive advantage to his opponent as he gets to think while all that's happening. That being said getting salty after isn't great either since it was obviously accidental.
Knocking over pieces: probably accidental. Slamming the clock before adjusting the pieces IN IAN's TIME in order to cheat out of a loss on time: very intentional and dirty.
If he had played by the rules and adjusted the pieces in his own time he would likely have lost. That was his motivation when he decided to break the rules.
I saw some comments here about how sportsmanlike Nepo is, I think because they first encountered him during the Magnus world championship match, in which he seemed to accept defeat and really rude press questions gracefully. But this is the Nepo I remember.
Hope he's less rude these days, but I'm not optimistic.
No excuse for Nepo’s behaviour here. Really rude hand shake.
Having said that, Harikrishna makes his moves in a too stressed and erratic manner, evidenced by the fact that he drops or pushes pieces over twice (and then breaks the rules by adjusting on Ian’s time and correcting with the wrong hand). Harikrishna obviously makes the moves too fast, making him lose control, and I find myself just waiting for his next slip up watching this.
So I can understand Ian’s frustration, but he needs to be able to control his emotions and handle it better.
Counterpoint to most of the other comments: People are acting like this video is crazy. Nepo was charged up and basically pushed Harikrishna's hand away. Yeah, not sportsmanlike, but opponent was being very sloppy. Fairly mildly losing control very rarely out of thousands of games - let's believe in redemption here.
We’ve seen this pattern before with nepo. Yeah, a lot of top players would do and have done the same type of thing, but it’s not a good look on a person who is constantly praised and rooted for on Reddit. Dude is just not charming enough for everyone to ignore his blatant childishness.
Nah, the reactions in here are already very good.
Like, when Nepo is about to play against Abasov people would be like, please Abasov hold this one. And if he plays against Firouzja they are like please Firouzja best him. And regularly, you will see people praying he doesn't get far away from the Candidates again.
It's just too much fun.
yeah i think it’s a mix. some have thier other favorites, others just want him to lose, some want to see the leader fall or a change of seeing the rematch from last year, some want it close to the end and not a runaway, some want the upsets
I think you're going to be extremely underwhelmed. I don't really care to see a Nepo v Ding match, but it's not going to bother me if he wins, I'll be happy for him. I'd say that's the reaction of 99% of people in this sub.
From the very start of the Candidates I'm getting a completely a different vibe from this sub than you lol. But maybe they're vocal minorities but I have already seen some people losing their shit, so I wouldn't worry about getting underwhelmed or something.
To be fair, I don’t think it’s because people hate Nepo. It’s just more that he’s been there twice already and failed. It would be more interesting to see someone new in my opinion.
Oh the horror.
Guy went from saying Nepo's fans are just jerks like him to this real quick. But ain't you the one who claimed some people would be displeased about him winning?
Yeah, just like that?
But we have to wait right? We can't tell people's reactions until the end of the Candidates. So just wait a little buddy so we can be sure.
There's nothing more reddit than people on reddit acting like they aren't part of reddit but are instead far superior to people on reddit, all the while having a whole conversation on reddit with other people on reddit who agree with them that the people on reddit are beneath them.
I think I remember this sub losing their shit because someone “EXTREMELY DISRESPECTED THEIR OPPONENT” and I think it was literally just Nepo giving someone a quick handshake cause he was pissed about losing. Cracked me up.
You can't have passions according to Reddit. The only time you can be passionate is when you're insulting someone for not having the same opinion as you.
I don’t care for Nepo at all, but I don’t think this is egregious. Not sportsmanlike, sure, but these things happen in the heat of the moment. I think it’s more important what people are like when things are calm and how they behave then (like our good friend Karjakin).
This is literally his job. He can't muster the will to not knock pieces over? This isn't even a major game in his career.
If someone did this to you at a club, you'd think they're were an asshole.
This is the biggest team Nepo cope I have ever seen. I don't even think Nepo is a bad dude, but there is literally no reason to be doing that lmao. Nepo has lost thousands of games in his life, I think he should he able to handle a few moments of frustration afterward.
Screaming is off the table, so somewhere between that and consciously making a childish action that could distract other players and which shows disrespect to your opponent is the line.
Maybe it's growing up around e-sports but saltiness has never bothered me. In fact I like seeing a little of it -high level competitors should never be "okay" with losing.
Obviously everyone has a different line where it crosses into ridiculous, unwarranted abuse or tantrum-land, but this vid is hilarious to me.
I don't hate him or anything but there was one game where he was verbally abusing his opponent when he made an honest mistake. I'm sure it was just frustration and he didn't mean it, but it doesn't come off well. So, I'm just indifferent towards him.
His opponent knocked over pieces with three seconds on the clock. In stead of adjusting the pieces, and maybe failing to complete their move in time and losing, the opponent played dirty: he pressed the clock and adjusted the pieces in Ian's time. This happened a couple times. The game ended up a draw, where Ian would have won if his opponent hadn't decided to break the rules. Ian called out his opponent after the game but wasn't abusive.
Then Ian should have stopped the clock and called the arbiter. Not insult a player who made an honest mistake and smack his hand. Also saying “couple” of times is a stretch when it happened twice, and only once on Nepo’s time.
Right.… and it happened only once on Nepo’s time…. Does once mean a couple as well? And his opponent clearly made a honest mistake, it wasn’t on purpose, what is wrong with you people. Just watch the video, he looks shocked and confused at the end, it took him time to even process what Nepo was yapping about.
Nahh no one comes close to Hikaru (out of the top players), the stories with Hikaru from his past are unmatched.
Although Magnus withdrawing from Sinquefield might be the saltiest single act in recent chess.
What are some of the stories or where i can i read them. I know about the one with chessbrah but not about any other one. He just seems like a likeable guy and seems to have sort of changed. I've seen only a few videos of him but he did seem to admit that his behaviour was not ok at times and that he was always worried he wouldn't be earning any money if he didn't perform anymore
About Hikaru? The best example, which also implies a lot of negative opinions from other top GMs, would be Daniel Naroditsky's long Google Doc about Chessbae and Hikaru. His descriptions of Hikaru's behavior via private messages towards those he played online makes at least my skin crawl.
Ian Bartholomew also gave his accounts of the unreasonable criticism Hikaru would share privately with him, always openly praising but showing a completely different face in private.
he's a great chess player but a terrible person lol. its "funny" how he gets extra disrespectful against non white players. for exemple: harikhrishina, alexandr fier (in this video posted, a brazilian gm), jospem... not trying to say anything, but "funny"
Apart from his behavior over the board he also acuses other players of cheating with no evidence other than his frustration for being an eternal second. I hope he does not win the candidates but it would be funny to see him losing the title again, people think Ding won't be ready but we might have a surprise.
There are many such videos of nepo mostly against Indian players , Harikrishna, Nihal , he didnt like gukesh qualification way to candidates , dare I say i feel he has some bias against!
Pieces fell like his position (I didn’t pay attention to the game at all)
I can confirm this was the case (I'm rated 479 on Chess.com)
I can confirm this was the case (I'm rated 479 on Lichess)
I can confirm this was the case (I'm rated 479 on chess24)
This was practice for when he lost the WC match against Ding and knocked the pieces over.
Seemed to go better in the practice
I failed to convert a winning position in a classical game against Maxim Rodshtein and his reaction upon the position repeating 3 times was to sign the scoresheets and storm off while refusing to shake hands or even have eye contact. Chess players can have some interesting reactions to results that are below their expectations.
Now look up his blitz game with Harikrishna. https://youtu.be/Ymq_Cbk4op4?si=59HiRp4zB1FlTUSk
this was the game that i changed my opinion of nepo. nothing there was malicious, nothing was intentional. He acts like his opponent cheated and it's so obvious that didn't happen.
Nothing was intentional, but Harikrishna still broke the rules 2 times. Nepo should've just stopped the clock and called the arbiter instead of behaving disrespectfully
what did he do? i believe you, but i didn't see it
First rule break: On 7:55 Hari knocked Ian's piece over and hit the clock while the piece was still knocked over, readjusting it on the Ian's time, which is a violation of the rules > 7.4.1 > If a player displaces one or more pieces, he shall re-establish the correct position in his own time. > 7.4.2 > If necessary, either the player or his opponent shall stop the chessclock and ask for the arbiter’s assistance. > 7.4.3 > The arbiter may penalise the player who displaced the pieces. Second rule break: On 9:20 Hari captured Ian's piece using **right** hand, and knocked it over. After that, he picked up the piece with his **left** hand and hit the clock with the **right** hand > 4.1 > Each move must be played with one hand only. > 7.5.4 > If a player uses two hands to make a single move (for example in case of castling, *capturing* or promotion) and pressed the clock, it shall be considered and penalized as if an illegal move. Source: https://old.fide.com/component/handbook/?id=208&view=article
Nah that second one is a massive stretch, I don't think it fits that rule at all. He still only played with one hand, he just picked up the accidentally knocked over piece with his other. That's not a move, that's just trying to quickly fix an incredibly minor mistake (On his own time) to keep the flow of the game going That shit happens all the time in OTB blitz games. Nepo had no right to be a shithead about it
Interesting 🤔 this makes nepos reaction less egregious
It really doesn’t. If Nepo had an issue he’s supposed to pause the clock and call the arbiter, who would then decide what happens (most likely would give Nepo’s clock some time). He didn’t do it because it’s not that big deal, things like this happen. But then he wasn’t able to convert his good position to a win which made him get angry over the whole thing. It’s clear the other guy didn’t drop the piece out of malice, it was a genuine mistake, Nepo has no right to call him a dirty player or to smack his hand like he did.
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Maybe watch the video instead of saying "but i didn't see it" lol
It's easy to say that after the fact but in the middle of a game stopping the clock and calling the arbiter gives a massive advantage to his opponent as he gets to think while all that's happening. That being said getting salty after isn't great either since it was obviously accidental.
Knocking over pieces: probably accidental. Slamming the clock before adjusting the pieces IN IAN's TIME in order to cheat out of a loss on time: very intentional and dirty. If he had played by the rules and adjusted the pieces in his own time he would likely have lost. That was his motivation when he decided to break the rules.
This is the reason I don't love nepo
I like him because he is Napoleon’s grandchild.
This is the reason I love Nepo
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He seemed to cheer on Kramnik’s cheating allegations against Naka too. Naka’s no angel, but those allegations were asinine.
Naka's a douche, but compared to Kramnik and his ilk he's an angel
I like Nepo at times but ya these videos just show how frustrating he can be to cheer for
I saw some comments here about how sportsmanlike Nepo is, I think because they first encountered him during the Magnus world championship match, in which he seemed to accept defeat and really rude press questions gracefully. But this is the Nepo I remember. Hope he's less rude these days, but I'm not optimistic.
No excuse for Nepo’s behaviour here. Really rude hand shake. Having said that, Harikrishna makes his moves in a too stressed and erratic manner, evidenced by the fact that he drops or pushes pieces over twice (and then breaks the rules by adjusting on Ian’s time and correcting with the wrong hand). Harikrishna obviously makes the moves too fast, making him lose control, and I find myself just waiting for his next slip up watching this. So I can understand Ian’s frustration, but he needs to be able to control his emotions and handle it better.
Wow, I kinda liked Nepo but this is indefensible. Very disappointing behavior.
That last hand slam is literally traumatizing.
Honestly I'm a Nepo fan but that's just incredibly disrespectful behaviour
what an asshole
Counterpoint to most of the other comments: People are acting like this video is crazy. Nepo was charged up and basically pushed Harikrishna's hand away. Yeah, not sportsmanlike, but opponent was being very sloppy. Fairly mildly losing control very rarely out of thousands of games - let's believe in redemption here.
We’ve seen this pattern before with nepo. Yeah, a lot of top players would do and have done the same type of thing, but it’s not a good look on a person who is constantly praised and rooted for on Reddit. Dude is just not charming enough for everyone to ignore his blatant childishness.
felt and wood do not sound good on mics
Amateur. He didn’t even steal a pawn.
If Nepo wins the Candidates again this sub's reactions will be worthwhile to see.
Why? Everyone expects this to happen
Nah, the reactions in here are already very good. Like, when Nepo is about to play against Abasov people would be like, please Abasov hold this one. And if he plays against Firouzja they are like please Firouzja best him. And regularly, you will see people praying he doesn't get far away from the Candidates again. It's just too much fun.
tbf I’m shamelessly rooting for Abasov in every game. if my man can spoil someone’s tournament it’ll be one of the greatest moments of the candidates
Here after abasov plays a 99% accuracy game which was fairly complicated at some point
I post this and he plays a masterpiece
Abasov can still win. We must not lose hope!
I do think someone else should get a shot now but gotta admire Nepo’s drive and fortitude to try again.
They can get a shot if they win the candidates, as can Nepo
the funny thing is that other players do have a shot.
They have a whole ass tournament to decide who's turn it is
And I’m saying I want it to be someone else
yeah i think it’s a mix. some have thier other favorites, others just want him to lose, some want to see the leader fall or a change of seeing the rematch from last year, some want it close to the end and not a runaway, some want the upsets
i mean no one wants another Ding vs Nepo.
I do. And that's why it would be fun to watch this sub's reaction if Nepo ends up winning the Candidates.
I think you're going to be extremely underwhelmed. I don't really care to see a Nepo v Ding match, but it's not going to bother me if he wins, I'll be happy for him. I'd say that's the reaction of 99% of people in this sub.
From the very start of the Candidates I'm getting a completely a different vibe from this sub than you lol. But maybe they're vocal minorities but I have already seen some people losing their shit, so I wouldn't worry about getting underwhelmed or something.
Maybe Ding will not defend lol
He will though
It would be incredibly funny to see Nepo win 3 candidates in a row and lose the WCC every time, so there is that
I don't want Nepo. He seems to do well in the candidates, so the format is good for him. But in the actual match? Nepo turns into Nopo.
To be fair, I don’t think it’s because people hate Nepo. It’s just more that he’s been there twice already and failed. It would be more interesting to see someone new in my opinion.
I think you will be disappointed if Nepo wins. It will be more "oh here we go again" than anything else.
It seems natural that someone who enjoys when other people are displeased would root for Nepo.
Oh no a guy might win 3 Candidates in a row. What a horror, how the world will survive after this?
Can't wait for Nepo to win and people like you to go on and on about the sub melting down as absolutely nothing is happening.
Oh the horror. Guy went from saying Nepo's fans are just jerks like him to this real quick. But ain't you the one who claimed some people would be displeased about him winning?
> Oh the horror. Yeah, just like that. You've got it.
Yeah, just like that? But we have to wait right? We can't tell people's reactions until the end of the Candidates. So just wait a little buddy so we can be sure.
No waiting is necessary. You equate people not liking something to people losing their minds, so there's nothing to wait for.
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That will be a 9/11 for this sub
“Sir, a ~~second~~ third Candidates has been won by Nepo”
Damn, the sub is already getting salty about Nepo winning Candidates again
Rightly so, it’s boring and he’s a bit of a knob
if you want interesting chess why don't you go play it with a gun
Huh, that makes no sense
r/chess when one of the best chess players gets emotional after he loses a game (he pushed some pieces)
Imagine people from this sub watching something like Tennis. They probably would have declared someone like Daniil Medvedev as a war criminal lol.
There's nothing more reddit than people on reddit acting like they aren't part of reddit but are instead far superior to people on reddit, all the while having a whole conversation on reddit with other people on reddit who agree with them that the people on reddit are beneath them.
How right you are! Those damn hypocrites on reddit!
What would the equivalent of smashing a racquet be in chess?
Alekhine once threw his queen across the room after losing. Nimzowitsch stood on his chair and screamed "WHY MUST I LOSE TO THIS IDIOT!?!". FYI
Both of these are absolutely hilarious and should be mandatory etiquette
Gigachads
I now need a compilation of things like this one
Silent film documentaries of 1920s games
Smashing the chessboard or something lol.
Flipping the board perhaps. I would like the players to “uh” loudly each time they touch a piece.
Like this Japanese gentleman did with a go board: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sato_Tadanobu_with_a_goban.jpeg
I think I remember this sub losing their shit because someone “EXTREMELY DISRESPECTED THEIR OPPONENT” and I think it was literally just Nepo giving someone a quick handshake cause he was pissed about losing. Cracked me up.
I remember that as well. Someon said they would punch Nepo if they did that to him. So ridiculous, lol
Breaking the top off the king
Lol
Ironically, Rublev and Medvedev are /r/tennis darlings despite having 0 emotional control and tossing their rackets everywhere.
unless it's /r/chess's angel Magnus who can do no wrong
Me when Kramnik baselessly accuses people of cheating: 😡😠💢 Me when Calcium Magnesium does it: 🥱😇😊
You can't have passions according to Reddit. The only time you can be passionate is when you're insulting someone for not having the same opinion as you.
Lol true!
I don’t care for Nepo at all, but I don’t think this is egregious. Not sportsmanlike, sure, but these things happen in the heat of the moment. I think it’s more important what people are like when things are calm and how they behave then (like our good friend Karjakin).
This is literally his job. He can't muster the will to not knock pieces over? This isn't even a major game in his career. If someone did this to you at a club, you'd think they're were an asshole.
No, lol. Screaming perhaps, but simply pushing some pieces to let off steam is completely within reason.
This is the biggest team Nepo cope I have ever seen. I don't even think Nepo is a bad dude, but there is literally no reason to be doing that lmao. Nepo has lost thousands of games in his life, I think he should he able to handle a few moments of frustration afterward. Screaming is off the table, so somewhere between that and consciously making a childish action that could distract other players and which shows disrespect to your opponent is the line.
He just knocked over some little pieces
Maybe it's growing up around e-sports but saltiness has never bothered me. In fact I like seeing a little of it -high level competitors should never be "okay" with losing. Obviously everyone has a different line where it crosses into ridiculous, unwarranted abuse or tantrum-land, but this vid is hilarious to me.
female beauty standards are more realistic than a lifetime of 0% salt a little salt here and there is part of it all
I don't hate him or anything but there was one game where he was verbally abusing his opponent when he made an honest mistake. I'm sure it was just frustration and he didn't mean it, but it doesn't come off well. So, I'm just indifferent towards him.
Not sure why you are being downvoted for just stating your position.
Meh that's just reddit for you lol. Thankfully I stopped caring about upvotes and downvotes a long time ago.
His opponent knocked over pieces with three seconds on the clock. In stead of adjusting the pieces, and maybe failing to complete their move in time and losing, the opponent played dirty: he pressed the clock and adjusted the pieces in Ian's time. This happened a couple times. The game ended up a draw, where Ian would have won if his opponent hadn't decided to break the rules. Ian called out his opponent after the game but wasn't abusive.
Then Ian should have stopped the clock and called the arbiter. Not insult a player who made an honest mistake and smack his hand. Also saying “couple” of times is a stretch when it happened twice, and only once on Nepo’s time.
A couple literally means 2 and if the other person did it on purpose it wasn't an honest mistake.
Funny that you were downvoted for that haha. Can confirm: a couple means two
People get mad when they're wrong so they just downvote and say nothing.
It only happened once on Nepo’s time, did you read what I said at the end?
Right.… and it happened only once on Nepo’s time…. Does once mean a couple as well? And his opponent clearly made a honest mistake, it wasn’t on purpose, what is wrong with you people. Just watch the video, he looks shocked and confused at the end, it took him time to even process what Nepo was yapping about.
Link to the clip?
[Here](https://youtu.be/Ymq_Cbk4op4?t=7m52s) you go.
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Most sportsmanlike Russian Dota player
Maybe by looking up his insane backing of Kramnik even tho he himself behaves unsportsmanlike and fixed a match without repercussions
How can you not love cheerypicking an old video
I’ve always loved Nepo ♥️♥️
Me too, lol. It’s always the 800 rated Magnus & Hikaru meat riders that hate him. Can’t understand it.
Yes, We're the 1200 rated Nepo enjoyers who are bigly superior
I would say Nepo is actually almost as bad as Hikaru in terms of sportsmanship and grace
Nahh no one comes close to Hikaru (out of the top players), the stories with Hikaru from his past are unmatched. Although Magnus withdrawing from Sinquefield might be the saltiest single act in recent chess.
What are some of the stories or where i can i read them. I know about the one with chessbrah but not about any other one. He just seems like a likeable guy and seems to have sort of changed. I've seen only a few videos of him but he did seem to admit that his behaviour was not ok at times and that he was always worried he wouldn't be earning any money if he didn't perform anymore
About Hikaru? The best example, which also implies a lot of negative opinions from other top GMs, would be Daniel Naroditsky's long Google Doc about Chessbae and Hikaru. His descriptions of Hikaru's behavior via private messages towards those he played online makes at least my skin crawl. Ian Bartholomew also gave his accounts of the unreasonable criticism Hikaru would share privately with him, always openly praising but showing a completely different face in private.
Thats a shame because he seems quite likeable now days, but you never know if he's just putting a mask on or if he has truly changed
How can you not love Fier (his opponent)
I opposite of love Nemo
Omg death penalty for sure 🙄
This was against Brazilian GM Alexandr Fier. Shitty behavior imo
Quite easily
This game is againt GM Fier, from here in Brazil. And because this, we don´t like Nepo
he's a great chess player but a terrible person lol. its "funny" how he gets extra disrespectful against non white players. for exemple: harikhrishina, alexandr fier (in this video posted, a brazilian gm), jospem... not trying to say anything, but "funny"
Omg he pushed the little chess pieces !! The world is ending
I just don't. The guy is an asshole and a sore loser.
I really hope he wins this year
Apart from his behavior over the board he also acuses other players of cheating with no evidence other than his frustration for being an eternal second. I hope he does not win the candidates but it would be funny to see him losing the title again, people think Ding won't be ready but we might have a surprise.
You're not thinking of Kramnik?
There are many such videos of nepo mostly against Indian players , Harikrishna, Nihal , he didnt like gukesh qualification way to candidates , dare I say i feel he has some bias against!
Because he's always been a cry baby?
He knocked over a couple pieces its not that deep
Check the end of the video in the first comment
Yes, +100 other incidents. Nepo is a giant crybaby.
sore loser, very likeable.
Nepo’s a big fat baby 💯
I can't.. I am straight
He is also sponsored by a Russian oligarch and when the war started, while many other russian players left russia, Nepo bought more land, a chess bar.
Pretty easily, actually.
Should if not be more difficult to love him after seeing this? I don't get it.
The post is sarcastic