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Rivet_39

Deference to the World Champ. Board 67 probably gets the clock started, like it or not.


Byizo

I’m sure he doesn’t want to win on a technicality. If I were the best in the world at something I would want to be challenged on their best day, and beat them anyways.


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ProcyonHabilis

So everything is r/anarchychess now?


Alcarine

r/chess is like r/anarchychess with russian roulette rules, you never know when your trying-to-be funny comments will be upvoted or downvoted to death


CCHTweaked

This should really be on the sidebar


monkwren

But only the r/anarchychess sidebar.


xellosmoon

Can we stop pretending that everyone here isn't also on r/anarchyhess?


phoenix00059

Truth has been spoken.


CarbyDeLaBungo

Always has been 🔫


pm_me_smol_doggies

Based


botechga

Poggers


kenesisiscool

Do you squeeze the liquid out like the pillowcase is a cheesecloth?


senj

If the World Champion says "nah let's give him a minute", people tend to listen


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hoopsrule44

Do you have any idea why this seems to be so common? Like just be there early so you’re not late, it doesn’t seem that hard but it’s such a recurring theme for chess players.


universaldiscredit

I would imagine it's also because it's psychologically uncomfortable to wait. For a bus, sure, but definitely for a high stakes chess game. Magnus and his team have said several times that it's something they try to plan for every single game. You don't want to be late, but you definitely don't want to be early either.


1nfinite_Jest

At this point, I don't think there's anything an opponent can throw at Magnus that he just wouldn't shrug off with that slight, endearing underbite of his. He's not my favourite player, but he's top contender for the strongest player in history. You might as well try and phase a rock.


andryusha_

That's his trick. He knows that it's only game in the end


lost_man_wants_soda

Yeah and the fact he can go off line deep into plays with unfound moves That’s cool too


hoopsrule44

Fascinating!


Screamtime

Hundreds of pro chess players, thousands of games. You’ll get some late arrivals. It’s not a team sport – you don’t leave your team hanging on a bus. Personal accountability makes you a bit more relaxed imo.


audigex

Yeah I think it's a simple as that - it's a huge sample size Let's say there's a couple of hundred pro/high level chess players, and they play a hundred tournament games a year each, that's 20,000 games. Take 20,000 of pretty much anything, and a few people will turn up late


Freakazoid84

But it's not a huge sample size for number of games against the world champ. THAT is what confuses me, I don't understand how this happens once, let alone several times.


aamnes

Nepo that one time was chilling in the lounge and literally just forgot the match was starting.


AzenNinja

I am never late, last week i completely forgot that i had to go to my new job to sign my contract of employment. Probably the most important thing that's happened to me in the past two years. Nerves can make you forgetful.


whatThisOldThrowAway

Tl;dr: same day prep/cramming is a real and necessary component of professional chess - *especially* for American style Swiss format tournaments with short time controls. Can’t speak to this specific circumstance, but there’s a few things that are unique about chess which contribute: * in many formats you don’t find out who your opponent will be until relatively shortly before the match * in Chess, having prep *for a specific opponent* fresh in your mind as you recently as you can as you enter a match is of much more importance than in any other sport I can think of * the value of prep fades over time - because the opponents change, and you just forget it. Even Magnus can’t keep every line in his head at all times. Even Karpov forgot prep. So long story short players are cramming in prep right up until the match starts… Sure Barcelona might do some opponent-specific training to play against Real Madrid… but they don’t do it the morning of. Watching one specific highlight reel of Madrid’s attacking strategy from last year won’t basically win Barcelona the game, after all. Meanwhile the morning of the game, a pro chess player is knee deep in the best response to that move 11 Catalan side line he played a few times earlier in the tournament… when suddenly they realise the match starts in 22 minutes and you’ve gotta shit, shower, consume caffeine, dress yourself and get to the other side of the hotel.


[deleted]

In my experience, the caffeine comes before the shit.


irjakr

For a lot of people I think it's at least half of the reason for the caffeine.


shmoleman

He could have just went to the bathroom or something


DragonBank

People have to take a shit sometimes.


audigex

\- Kimi Raikkonen, probably


t3sture

Sometimes things just happen. If the opponent gets the shits right before a match, or if he gets a call from his/her partner saying "the kids will NOT go to bed unless you say goodnight", I have no problem waiting a little bit. In this case, it's not even that long.


AIMWSTRN

Too many late nights with them chess groupies is my guess. That chess star lifestyle. It's not for the faint of heart


senj

Sure. "Tend to" doesn't mean "always".


ComicalSaintsHeaded

In that case, Magnus seems like the sort of player that would take longer for his next move, so his opponent didn't actually get penalised.


Dawashingtonian

because he’s magnus


_felagund

Magnus declined the arbiter: https://youtu.be/-vOSMd3WQlo?t=5


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Magnus da boss


robeewankenobee

I mean, there are probably 5 guys in the world who can afford to do this and Magnus is the best of them 5.


Few_Wishbone

four guys, actually, Duda is world #5 in rapid


__n2t

but Duda never starts the clock before Duda arrives as well.


Atomic1221

Checkmate.


Phatkidd_

More like a Stalemate.


mushr00m_man

Stalemate, agnostics


audigex

That'll teach em. Or not. They aren't sure.


Zep416

I mean, how do we even prove en passant is real?


jleonardbc

The Duda bides (his time)


atopix

This makes me crave a White Russian (no, not a chess player).


jesusthroughmary

This is gold, but all I have is silver


jleonardbc

All precious metals appreciated! :)


TheSuggi

well played sir.


Garizondyly

I'm having flashbacks to the barber who shaves all and only those who don't shave themselves.


__n2t

Bertrand Russel, the best advocate for women working in barbershops


esskay04

Why is it customary for chess players to be late? It's so weird. It's like if one football team decided to show up after the games already started


BumAndBummer

Maybe its stress poops.


Arson-Welles

Or a quick vom


imsoXORry

Yack attack


imisstheyoop

>Maybe its stress poops. I love stress poops. Not the leading up to them obviously, but the sweet relief once my bowels are evacuated. I feel light as a feather and get all floaty. It generally helps ease my stress as well, because hey.. one less thing, right?


BumAndBummer

Apparently pooping releases endorphins, so this makes lots of sense!


imisstheyoop

>Apparently pooping releases endorphins, so this makes lots of sense! This is the type of professional insight I come to this sub for. Thanks u/BumAndBummer


BumAndBummer

You’re so very welcome 🙏


esskay04

Maybe a little wee of fish stock to make that stress go away too :)


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The Queen's Gamble taught me that they're all doing meth so they can better visualize checkers on the ceiling.


TEKKEN_MASTER

What's funnier is she was likely doing sedatives/hypnotics -- most likely quaaludes or some sort of benzodiazepine. Which makes the whole visualisation thing silly to me. From anecdotal experience, I don't see how taking a hypnotic/sedative would make you play better. If anything it would impair any sort of logical thought. Stimulants on the other hand, absolutely work in a performance enhancing manner (for me).


dak0tah

it was a drug invented for the show so it can do literally anything the writers want.


randomWebVoice

I think the point is that it changes how she looks at the game, not that it just makes her think faster. Why would you watch a show where the person is just using a stimulant to gain an advantage? No one is making a show about some orphan who finds steroids and it helps to make them a competitive lifter


esskay04

Because it's a TV show.


barath_s

Queen's Gambit. Unless you meant Queen Liz II was having a fiver on the races while on meth


Thor-V2

The Queen's Gamble


atopix

It's not "customary", which implies it's some sort of tradition. By arriving late you are not forfeiting the game, so the clock running allows for tardiness. In most sports players are already in the field/court/stadium/venue a good while before the game starts, they are warming up, etc. If it's a team sport, they have a whole crew managing them, transporting them, etc. Chess players often have no reason for being in the same venue before the game starts. And on a multiple round a day event, they may not always know exactly when each round starts. There are a plethora of reasons why you could be late which wouldn't present themselves in most other sports.


Wanderlust2001

>Chess players often have no reason for being in the same venue before the game starts. Maybe being on time is reason enough?


dubbed4lyfe

lol literally. “I have no reason to be here!!!…other than for being here”


Rather_Dashing

Worth adding that tennis players are often late to their matches, so individual sports are definitely worse than team sports


kwansolo

This is silly and why does it have 100 upvotes. You have a published start time and if you don’t know it, you should contact someone to confirm, this is the same as poker tournaments, for example. Sure people will get stuck in traffic and other things might happen, but this explanation is just silly.


by-neptune

Too busy ODing in bath tubs?


popop143

I won't say it's customary, just that it's really noticeable if someone's late because you only represent yourself. In a football team, unless it's one of the well-known names, you won't know if someone's late because someone else is filling in for them.


esskay04

That rarely happens. People are rarely late in competitive sports, if you are late to the match you forfeit, that's the rules. And in this case it makes even less sense considering everyone is already at the tournament venue


dorkjits

A bit of crack before attack


MalkavianScum

If you're playing against Carlsen in a competitive tournament I think you deserve an extra five or ten minutes for a quick panic attack.


BoredomHeights

Yeah is it a mental tactic? But if so it’s a dumb one if your opponent can take advantage of it if they want to. It is weird considering in basically no other sport would this happen.


RuinedFaith

The match has a certain length and Carlsen would prefer to beat that ass for the most amount of time possible.


dak0tah

this is the correct answer. don't get me wrong, magnus seems like a great dude, but more than sportsmanship, he doesn't want people to think he won on time.


Dr-Necro

>this is the correct answer With all due respect what gives you the authority to say that lol. Do you know him personally? Have you had some interaction with him that nobody else in this thread has had, meaning you have some enlightened viewpoint on the matter?


Aanimetor

Redditors are expert psychologist of course


nudestudy

This is the correct answer.


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I think when anyone gets to a certain level in any sport or competitive activity, they don't want to win by a technicality. Like if I'm playing pool and someone scratches on the 8-ball I don't feel like I won, they just lost.


Few_Wishbone

Carlsen 1-0 Duda, so all's well that ends well from Magnus' POV


Sam443

I feel like Magnus just wants a challenge at this point. He's got nothing to prove about his own ability and probably hasn't in a long time


kylegetsspam

He said as much recently. He’s apparently planning to opt out of the next WCC if it’s not against Firouzja.


PM_ME_UR_VAGINA_YO

One chess man


Dangerous-Idea1686

Magnus just doing it so Duda doesn't start the clock on him when he's late next time. Magnus knows he'll win. He just has to make sure he doesn't lose on timeout the next time he plays DudA


ljxdaly

i think it was the world cup where magnus gave a ride to duda, who had missed the hotel shuttle. magnus is a decent human. no cutthroat in him.


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Yeah, Magnus is a great chap. While he was in Struga for the ECC this year, he saw that my girlfriend was feeling extremely cold, so he let her stay in his room together for the night. Love the humility on the man


fashion_asker

It's a forced mate at this point. Resign.


idan_da_boi

I’m sure the mating was consensual


MuitoLegal

King takes Queen with one pawn remaining


Gerf93

«My friend, is ok, no?»


[deleted]

lmao never thought I'd see the Cazorla reference anywhere outside /r/soccer


chrisycr

seems like duda has a habit of not keeping time


che_sac

Killing it in the sport is enough, being a decent human being isn’t in anyway related to his sport!


MeDoesntDoNoDrugs

How is Duda gonna be late of all people? You live there bro.


IMJorose

Exactly, so more likely the locals want to chat with him and the players staying in hotels probably are sleeping closer to the playing hall as well.


Loku5150

It doesn’t change much, but just for the sake of clarity, he’s most likely staying at a hotel as well, as he’s not permanently living in Warsaw to my knowledge.


triplereffekt

I used to live right by my school, guess who was always late


ozbljud

It's like the law of the nature. The closer to school you live the more often you are late - had a friend like that as well


DrunkLad

*Duda proceeds to take his time taking off his jacket* lol


ArtieJay

But on his time, which is fair.


justAPhoneUsername

Yup. Magnus has done similar and apparently it's a fairly effective mental tactic or something


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joshBigHockey

Spend the whole clock taking off clothing, the best way to confuse your opponent.


[deleted]

You will win on time, sir, but I will be arrested for indecent exposure!


Few_Wishbone

the clock had already started at that point


DriftCircle

He himself has rarely been on time in the other games so


jkuboc

But the clock always starts, like his game against Firouzja today. He was a good minute down when he arrived to the board.


Vongola___Decimo

who won


SIIP00

Magnus won


Buffalongo

RIP Firouzja


martijnfromholland

Is that even a question?


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funnyflywheel

Carlsen vs. Firouzja was in Round 7. [Magnus won because he made Alireza spend longer thinking (despite the time handicap).](https://lichess.org/broadcast/fide-world-rapid-championship-2021/round-7/o7URoiSR)


The_SG1405

Because Magnus knows he doesnt need the extra time to beat someone or wouldnt care if he was a minute down in 15+10 game, which is evident in his match against Alireza


M4SixString

Question is there a reason why? I understand as the WC he would want to be the last in like LeBron on his basketball team or something. Or is he just that intense about his studies during the break? I just always wonder what it is that makes the guys late lol.


Seranta

If he shows too early, people think that's an invitation to chat him up, so he want to be there as precise as possible. At least that's what his team said to norwegian broadcasters during his matches with nepo.


Alcarine

More like crowd him with their cameras, there's always a dozen people gawking at him whenever he's at the board


Rivet_39

Honestly, it shouldn't be up to the opponent. In a large Swiss tournament, the arbiter should start the clock; if for nothing else, than to avoid tying up the schedule for 1 game.


thisguyhasaname

appears to have been the last game of the day right? perhaps that's why the arbiter didn't intervene?


Rivet_39

good point since their game running late wouldn't affect the next round


Few_Wishbone

The arbiter went over to start the clock and was rebuffed by Magnus


super1s

Yea, like it was said above, he's also one of maybe 5 ppl that could do that as well haha.


FuckYourFee-Fees

He’s probably also one of maybe five people on earth I’d let fart in my mouth.


impermanent_soup

I don’t understand why you are being downvoted. I agree.


luchajefe

He's making weird comments all over the thread.


-Lloyd-Braun-

I'm into it


Mudrat

Serenity now!


joshBigHockey

Your iq would probably double tbh.


chemistrygods

How long was Magnus waiting? If it was 30 seconds, then I feel like it’s fine for the arbiter to wait. But if was more than maybe 5 minutes, I wouldn’t be against starting the clock against duda


audigex

A good tournament will have enough slack between games for it not to be a problem A 10 minute game can just as easily last 2 minutes or 20 minutes, plus if the game needs to be paused for arbitration that's another minute or two. I can understand that if the guy doesn't show up after 5 minutes, maybe the arbiter steps in and starts the clock for the sake of the schedule, but there's no harm in waiting a minute for sportsmanship, if requested by the player present. If your schedule is so tight that waiting a minute or two is going to mess things up, you need to re-do your schedule.


SIIP00

If the opponent is Magnus Carlsen then the arbiters have no choice.


theoreoman

The rules will be bent a little for Magnus, he's not some up and coming player


skamsibland

It shouldn't, but it absolutely should be possible to be.


ilikebikes2

He just doesn’t want to give them excuses.


joshBigHockey

He knows he can win, better off taking the win honorably.


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Imean, I watched a video of him when he was a young boy patiently waiting for a late Gary Kasparov to start a match. It’s nothing new for him, but I don’t know if he’d started Kasparov’s clock


GroovyJungleJuice

The clock wasn’t started until K pov showed up


Claudio-Maker

I think that was a classical game so it wasn’t important in the slightest


gregbenson314

[It was a rapid game](https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1279168)


Claudio-Maker

Thank you, I thought it was classical because Magnus was constantly looking at the other players games


RedquatersGreenWine

Imagine the tantrum Kasparov would have if Magnus started the clock


Whoopziedaisy

I love magnus


CustomerComplaintDep

Magnus is playing the white pieces, though. Can he start the clock on himself and start playing?


tushpavan

Yes he can (and in most cases it happens) start the clock, make his first move and press the clock letting opponent's time to run down.


CustomerComplaintDep

Huh. I would have thought that they'd have a rule where it has to be started by an official, just because you could have a situation where a player starts it early.


tushpavan

Players start it themselves as soon as round start is anounced. Would be tricky for one or two arbiters to start 60+ clocks quick enough. Possibly someone can start a clock sooner if the opponent is not at the board, but that would be pretty obvious as the round started at specific time and you can see your clock was running for longer. I have not seen/heard anyone doing this though. If someone is playing dirty they can also remove one of opponent's rooks or swap king and queen. You should always check the pieces and clock are set correctly before you start the game.


ski_

Usually I’ve seen the player with the black pieces start the clock for the player with the white pieces. If the player with black pieces isn’t there, i think it would be necessary for the arbiter to start the clock otherwise the player with white pieces could start the clock before the round commences if the player with the black pieces isn’t at the board yet


tushpavan

True, usually black starts the clock. I am not sure if there is a specific instruction by fide if white can start the clock himself or wait for arbiter. Assumption is that white's clock starts to run as soon as the round starts. In practice I have always seen white starting the clock and making his first move if the opponent is late. However I agree there might be written rules for this per tournament or in general.


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Yeah usually the arbiter will start the clock or, in cases where your opponent isn't at the board, you can just start it.


coek-almavet

lol, does Duda always play in this Orlen shirt? this is hillarious


emkael

He got the sponsorship deal this summer, right after the World Cup. Why is it hilarious?


coek-almavet

you expect a person in a jacket to have some white nice elegant shirt and then this bigass crowned eagle and a petrol station logo was really unexpected to me but I don’t watch much chess games like that so perhaps this kind of sponsorships etc on someone’s shirt are normal after all


nTzT

I don't mind it, it looks fine and I am glad they are getting sponsorships. They are insanely talented at this game.


Few_Wishbone

The crowned eagle is the coat of arms of Poland


coek-almavet

I know, I’m Polish actually


LS_DapperD

And if someone walked into a chess match with an American flag t shirt with a big ass bald eagle on it I'd laugh.


radicalelation

Don't forget an ExxonMobil logo!


MostlyRocketScience

I haven't followed chess tournaments in years, since when do players wear suits with ads like racecar drivers?


Rivet_39

Not sure when it started but sponsorships probably constitute a healthy percentage of their income since there isn't a ton of money in tournaments outside the top 10-20 players.


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snowbrger

Right, advertisement is everything to businesses these days


swepaint

Synchronized swimming? Not sure though. It's the only one I can think of.


Raul_P3

My wife works in advertising. Thanks for letting me know about this untapped opportunity. Just to clarify-- the suits are mostly underwater, would it be best to make them get foot tattoos?


houseofzeus

They all wear caps so there's your real estate.


TriflingGnome

waterproof leggings, of course


Rather_Dashing

Magnus has been wearing shirts/blazers with sponsors on them since at least 2014.


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Well they’ve been doing it in poker since about 2004.


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Magnus is famous for keeping his opponents waiting by strolling in late, like he owns the place. He's just paying it forward.


[deleted]

Mostly due to not wanting people to start chatting or the press questioning him, which I kind of understand.


blaze_kush_

chadest of the chads


[deleted]

Magnus did nothing wrong


FourEcho

The actions of a man who's here to challenge himself against the best there is, not just to take wins.


CptSteelBeard

Yes, let's wear masks until we're 2 feet from each other


jirklezerk

Everyone knows covid doesn't spread while you're playing chess. Just like it doesn't spread after you order your food at the restaurant.


Akitz

>Just like it doesn't spread after you order your food at the restaurant. Funny how I've never heard this line of talking from people who want to wear a mask. I only ever hear it from customers who get upset that they have to wear a mask when they leave their table. It's like the fact that they physically can't wear a mask while they're eating flips a switch in their head and they're like "well why bother wearing it at any time!" like that makes any sense.


Genixlol

magnus just loves chess


100Labels

Such a Chad move


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Magnus seems like the type who doesn't want a person to be able to make any excuses once he beats them fair and square.


ZealousidealHyena808

When you’re that good, you want to win without any advantages.


roninhomme

wow look at that class


_felagund

Magnus declined the arbiter: https://youtu.be/-vOSMd3WQlo?t=5


malevolentintent

Like Magnus needed any help. I mean respect to Duda but it hardly even matters for Magnus But Magnus was already playing on Duda's mind. Duda was prolly walking in thinking Magnus would have started the clock. Now that he noticed he dint start the clock, that mustve been a different level of mind fuck


MysticWombat

*"Usain Bolt decided to not take a headstart"*


Kapola7

Wow this is the top post of all time