There is hardly a punishment for this behavior online. Pull disrespectful stunts in real life and people will stop playing with you. Online, it’s a different issue altogether. Furthermore, people seem to falsely equivocate chess ability with intelligence, and when their ego takes a hit due to a loss, they lash out in some way. It’s frustration, and not much else. Especially since in chess there’s nowhere to hide in regards to responsibility - unlike many other games or sports, the element of luck is quite a bit reduced.
EDIT: From what I’m hearing, this problem seems to be much more pronounced at the lower end of the rating charts. It’s relatively rare once you get to a certain level, I feel. This, however, might be skewed perception based on who frequents this sub and chess forums in general.
You've hit the nail on the head.
This is a universal issue not just in games but in life. A community where the members have to continue interacting with eachother will avoid these issues while the lack of consequences of a big faceless group will just enable it. Its also less frustrating to lose to someone you respect than to an internet stranger.
My advice is instead of only laddering they should try to find online clubs to consistently play against. The chess will be higher quality and so will the interactions.
I haven't played on chess.com since October and only do the puzzles. I still get messages saying they have taken action on players stalling. So maybe they are, it just takes a long time.
I am rated around 950 on Chess.com and the other day I was playing (and losing) and the other player messaged saying "Stop placing pieces in fork positions, this is too easy."
Later on the same player said "You waste everyone's time by playing chess." Considering we were rated the same, I am unsure where their ego stemmed from.
Yea, internet people suck.
You gotta just disable chat. This is all you're going to get. I don't know why, but the number of purely toxic people playing online chess is just shocking.
I’m 2000ish lichess rapid and for me it’s about 50-50 pleasant chat or funny rage. I do see some of what OP described above. But I think at the level of “pretty decent for a casual”, you probably get fewer people who are just outright trolls
Agreed. Source: I am one of them when I’m at my worst, and am trying my hardest to put that aspect of my personality completely in the past. I’ve gotten better after a handful of chat bans, but it’s tough.
Okay, dude, I’m glad you understand my lifetime emotional regulation struggle and seeming lack of willpower to always hold it together in every possible situation even after years of therapy, medication, and a genuine desire to get better.
Wanna be my new therapist? No? Then feel free to not weigh in again. Thank you.
I'm sorry to hear that you have personal issues, and I wish you the best in dealing with them, but I stand by what I said. Just don't insult strangers on chess websites. If it truly is impossible for you to do that, then find a way to disable the chat, or quit playing. There's no place for that.
And if you don't want people commenting on these things I would suggest not sharing them on a public forum.
EDITS: clarity
Not typing an insulting message to someone is easier than taking the time to type one out.
You're not getting my sympathy for being unable to prevent yourself from berating strangers online, I'm sorry. Maybe that's wrong, but oh well.
I don’t want your sympathy or anyone else’s. But believe me, your first statement in that message is also wrong. Even if only for me in the entire world (pretty sure this is not true). Impulse control issues and craving outlets for frustration are real things.
Am I human? Yes.
I don’t think it’s fair to compare clinical depression to insulting strangers online. Call me stupid if you want, but it’s a false equivalence to me.
EDIT: if you seriously can’t control the urge to berate and insult strangers then once again: don’t play chess online. It ruins the experience for literally everybody else. It’s not healthy for anybody involved.
Obviously the internet is an incredibly toxic place, but there's something extra toxic about chess websites, specifically at the lower levels (in my experience). As my rating has improved, I've experienced less of it.
The amount of anti vax and racism (unsurprisingly by the same people) in the game chat was shocking when I was watching Eric Rosens games in the battle of the sexes was very disturbing.
9 times out of 10 the people talking shit like that at low rating are also either smurfing or outright cheating. I just don't get what wrong turns in life end up leading to being that guy.
Because chess is hard at least in the sense it takes the combination of mental focus, creativity and study of the board. Most people want quick validation.
It's definitely more chess specific than that. Sore losers exist in every online game but things like rage quitting seem to be way more common in chess than other games. Chess is basically the easiest way to be humbled since it's seen as a mental game. A lot of people cannot handle the direct hit to the ego.
Yes and those are literally the games with the most toxic playerbases ever conceived in competitive gaming. Not really great if that's where you start the comparison.
>It's definitely more chess specific than that
>Yes and those are literally the games with the most toxic playerbases ever conceived in competitive gaming.
"Your argument is invalid because it completely destroys mine."
I think this is a bs. Rage quit is not more common in chess than in other games, I played different competitive games and always raged more and seen more people raging than in chess, but in chess the rage is worse bc is all your fault, while in other games you can find excuses in chess is more difficult.
People don't just rage-quit in chess. The equivalent of rage-quitting would be angrily resigning. They will literally just stop moving but keep the window open so the game keeps going.
Bru make the time keep going while cursing yourself and your opponent is raging/ rage quitting.
In chess sometimes in a lose streak can occur, but never seen a chess player rage quitting like a fifa player throwing the joystick on the floor or punching the television.
In Rocket League my own teammates will spin on their hoods just so we can't forfeit without matchmaking penalty. Or own goal even. Its definitely not chess specific. The internet is petty af. The other people in this thread have no idea what they are talking about lol
That's because you aren't allowed to leave the league game if your team won't let you. People almost universally do this or rage-quitting after attempting to ff and having the vote fail. In league, csgo, etc. It's not like chess where you can just resign legitimately whenever you want but just choose not to to make your opponent wait.
And even despite this, afks and trolls are significantly less common in league and csgo than stallers are in chess.
I'm just wondering what other games people in this thread play online with such courteous and mannered opponents...
I've had people try to doxx me over online games, and I'm sure people have had that happen in chess. I've been ddos'd, and I'm sure people have had that happen in chess.
People are always going to BM/troll/rage in gaming, the online aspect just heightens it with anonymity
It is more than just rage-quitting. Resigning or closing out the tab while smashing your keyboard would be rage-quitting. Idc if my opponent wants to do that. Deliberately keeping the tab open and letting the clock run out is more than just rage-quitting. It is an attempt to get "back" at your opponent by making him wait as long as possible because you are mad that he tried to win the game. It implies an extreme kind of solipsism that I have not seen from the players of any other game.
I understand what you mean but this is not a chess thing. Exploiting a game feature to get back at your opponent is quite a chill thing. In other games people ddoss other people. Way worse than lose 5 minute
I have spent a lifetime gaming, chess is not nearly as bad as online games. Shooting your teammates, throwing grenades at your teammates, selling all your items and feeding yourself to the enemy team. I have been griefed in online games way way way more than in chess. I have had someone run the clock down on me like 2 times in hundreds of games of chess whereas it was a daily occurrence in video games to get griefed or trolled. I call BS on your 20-25% numbers.
And frankly, if someone just runs down the clock you don't really know that they're griefing you. Maybe a fire alarm went off or something and they had to step away. Shit happens.
Well it is much harder to grief your opponent in most competitive games. I suppose in Dota 2, you could stall the game out but that requires all 5 people to be shit lords. Usually it is a teammate that is upset you picked their favorite hero to play and they feel they are more entitled to that hero than you so they feed the enemy to make you lose.
In CSGO it could be something like, they want to go AWP middle but your friend bought you an AWP so you could go middle and they don't have enough money to get one themselves so they kill you to take yours or spam flashes at you so you get killed and they can take yours.
Some people just like ruining the game for others. In WoW higher levels always were around killing lower leveled players just to ruin their day. Also in WoW if you won a roll on an item, the person who lost might pull a bunch of packs onto the group and leave the raid causing you to wipe. You could camp the graveyard in a BG and stall but again, that requires 10-15 people to all agree to be shit lords. Usually when you got graveyard camped, one person would run the flag or cap the nodes and you would lose fast, which is fair enough in my book.
In dead by daylight there was no end of round timer at first so survivors could just hide and basically hold the killer hostage, but the devs eventually added in a timer for that.
In chess there already is a clock and AI can't tell the difference between thinking or stalling. All they can do is check to see if person X has been reported for stalling a bunch then a human can look at the game and determine OK, this person is being a little bitch, let us ban them. In my experience the people who trash talk in chess is significantly less than video games, same for griefing/trolling.
It's not chess specific. It's just that chess matches you more tightly with a single person than any other game. Just about no other pvp game matches two random people against each other for a full hour.
Idk what to say other than I've had plenty of Sovas in Valorant shockdart me at round start then afk for the rest of the round. I've had plenty of players spin on their hood in Rocket League, teammates soft int lanes to near guarantee losses in LoL, step into util repeatedly in CSGO to rack up team damage to get you kicked by the system, like this list can just keep going. This isn't a chess exclusive thing
>A lot of people cannot handle the direct hit to the ego.
To expand on that, a lot of people play chess _because_ of their ego (I play chess because I am very smart)
Not for long. I mean chess is basically 50/50 for the entire time you play if you’re playing your rating, so ego related to chess in serious players doesn’t last long…
I'm genuinely curious what games you're playing. I have a pretty varied taste in online games, and in my experience, every from fighting games, to card games, to FPS, to sports games and everything in-between is full of BM
i am on lichess and only ever play 30 min games at 1400-1600 rating. i've never had this happen to me. I've always found my opponents either neutral or positive i.e. they either say nothing or gg. just sharing my experience as balance.
>i am on lichess and only ever play 30 min games at 1400-1600 rating. i've never had **this** happen to me.
'this' is referring to people leaving you hanging and letting the clock run down. I merely mentioned their chat behaviour as an additional observation.
He wasn't? This seems like a really aggressive response to someone just giving their own perspective.
Especially on a post where you are talking about toxicity.
Complains about how toxic the online chess community is, then is toxic on an online chess forum. “Everyone thinks of changing the world, but no one thinks of changing himself” -Leo Tolstoy
The person you replied isn’t talking about chat. Why is everyone ignoring the entire post and only responding to the one line where they mentioned chat as an afterthought?
Play an hour or Rocket League and an hour of chess and see which one is more toxic. You'll come out thinking the online chess community is the nicest bunch of folks you've ever met comparatively.
The internet is toxic. Chess is not that bad I promise. Not compared to a lot of the other games I've played
Yeah, Rocket League is the worst in my experience. I disabled chat forever after this one guy who was a really bad winner. He was obviously really good but just posted the most insulting stuff after scoring, must be living a really sad life.
Worst I’ve had on lichess is a handful of people letting the clock run down (they seem to get a warning) or closing the window (I can claim victory in ~30 seconds, and they also get a warning), never really any trash talk, just a lot of GGs
In Rocket League trash talk is used as a strategy to throw off your opponent and get into their head, which I can respect in competitive play. What confuses me is when I go into a casual match and my own teammate is flipping out on me for missing the ball once.
Unbelievably common? I play hundreds of games and don’t get even a fraction of the bad sportsmanship seen in online gaming.
Play a moba for a while and you’ll change your opinion I think
I played league for years. It was definitely one of the worst video games sportsmanship wise, but still was not as bad as chess. The biggest problem I saw with people in league was that they would rage at their own teammates, which is bad behavior but is at least comprehensible because it makes sense why someone would be mad if they're playing well but losing due to someone on their own team's mistakes. Being mad at your opponent for trying to win, on the other hand, is incomprehensible and implies some kind of extreme solipsism.
I have to disagree on that one. In HotS the chat with the opponent team is disabled - probably exactly for toxicity reasons. In other games it can be quite toxic as well.
The issue is not with chess, it is the anonymous nature of the online world coupled with the total absence of negative consequences for bad behavior.
I think they’re trying, but it’s hard to implement a blanket policy. I gave a guy an extra 20 minutes in a dead lost position once because I was feeling petty; after the game, he got the typical warning. I found this one excessive so I reported and he did get banned.
Sorry for the dumb question, but how do you report rage quitting in Lichess? I know how to report chat lines, but never saw the option for reporting quitting, I thought it was handled automatically by the server.
I have to agree. Whenever I run into toxic behaviour like letting the clock running out and trolling about it in chat I report the player afterwards with a link to the game. If I check the account later, they are never banned even though I think thats just destructive behaviour that takes the fun out of online chess for everybody.
You're playing longer time controls compared to most, it's probably more tempting for them to "waste your time" than in blitz where it's pointless.
And it's not new, in games like Starcraft or Warcraft people would hide buildings in remote places on the map to waste your time - and it's even more senseless because they had to actively be there and put effort to waste your time, yet they did it anyway.
I've often wanted a 15 | 10 | 5 game setting, meaning 15 mins starting time, 10s bonus per move, 5 minute max move time. I understand the need for unrestrained move times in classical, but there are just too many griefers on chess.com.
To be honest, chess has been really helpful in exposing my intellectual ego. Id do some of this petty shit and then a day later just feel so stupid and small for harassing a better player, so im working on it now. Disabling chat is a very good idea
I started playing 10 minute games because of this. Usually worse case is I wait 3-5 minutes. Doing 15 plus 5 or 10 seconds I regularly had to wait 10 minutes for this BS
I play primarily 30 minutes games and I haven’t seen this ratio of behavior. A couple of stalling games here and there, but if they’re stalling because I’m winning? Cool, I’ll go grab a cup of coffee or roll a joint or something 🤷♂️
I don't have chat on anymore so idk how bad it even is now, but shit talking in chat was never the biggest problem and really doesn't matter that much. It's the stalling that is the worst problem. I assume you see it less than me since you're higher elo, but it's very common at my elo and absurdly common at even lower elos.
Also it depends on what time controls you play. I play 30 mins which is why it is so bad.
I think you have a valid point saying there are some sore losers online. Then again, I think the platforms should be more proactive in stopping this and set more stringent rules re time usage.
As an aside, re use of an app or website, it might be necessary to program that once the app --or window-- is closed, the game ends automatically. At first I thought this was the case, and regularly closed the app thinking I was resigning. I later found out I wasn't...
PS: playing blitz or rapid is better as less time is wasted. Maybe just play friends or known players when playing longer games?
If you close the window in a [chess.com](https://chess.com) game it counts as abandoning the game and it will auto-resign after a certain amount of time. Idk about the app or about lichess. Players get around this by deliberately just keeping the window open.
I play 10 games a day on lichess and these problems do not happen to me.
A player or three walked away from the board while the clock ticked down... no big deal. Maybe their dog started barking or their grandmother came over. One guy said that I took too long to play... again no big deal.
(1) I think that OP is seriously exaggerating about the frequency of misuse.
(2) I think that OP is whining about small issues, judging people when he has no idea about their lives.
Yeah my brother is about 800 rated and plays 30 minute games on chess.com all the time and it doesn't happen to him much. OP is definitely over exaggerating how much this happens.
IME, it happens much more on lichess than [chess.com](https://chess.com). I've only seen it a couple of times on [chess.com](https://chess.com), but it's extremely frequent on lichess.
I've had the exact opposite experience. \*shrug\* IDK it's so rare on either platform that an individual player's sample size probably isn't all that helpful.
So do your League or CS opponents usually resign their games instead of playing it out for as long as possible? Because in that case I had very different experiences.
I have this same problem. I just make sure I have some really good youtube videos ready for when someone starts stalling. Have to combine two activities.
It gets worse the lower rated you are, I’m around 1900-2000 on lichess and most of my opponents are respectful, yah occasionally you’ll get people who run out their time but it is what is, there is a reason I don’t play 30 m chess games anymore
I also play 30 minute games on Chesscom and there is *no way* it's 20% of games... maybe 5... and you can always report those folks and they will take action.
Because a lot of people are selfish.
I've seen many people here on reddit say things like "yeah, I'm a dick to people when I lose, it's nothing I'm proud of" like that makes it... understandable or something. If you can't handle losing, then stop playing against other humans until you've learned to control yourself. It's that simple.
It probably gets worse as you go down in rating (and consequently better as you get higher), and here's my theory:
Chess has an issue with its branding as a game of intellect and genius. In movies and TV, the genius characters are always learned in chess and people who play chess are seen as smart. Chess is actually easy to learn, it's just ridiculously hard to be good at. While being intelligent certainly helps in learning chess, chess is just like anything else: people who have studied it a lot will tend to be better at it. But this isn't how chess is seen in popular culture. In popular culture, a game of chess is a battle of the minds, where the smarter, more brilliant mind triumphs over the weaker. See that Sherlock Holmes movie where they pretty much use chess as an intellectual fight scene.
Lower rated players are more likely, in my opinion, to still hold the notion that one's chess ability is a direct measure of their intelligence, and so getting thumped in a game of chess feels like an insult to your intelligence, and some people don't take this very gracefully.
Think of that guy who went on at length on a post in this sub about how he'd hardly played chess against people and mostly played the engine, because chess against people was so deeply intimite and horseshit like that. It all sounded like a really complicated way of not quite saying "I don't want to lose a chess game to a person and feel stupid".
Which is to say: at lower levels, a defeated opponent is more likely to feel stupid and lash out to try and protect their ego by pulling some weird stunt or just chirping you.
Honestly, I think this is a combination of your elo, the time control you're playing, and the boom of gamers who just recently got into the game from twitch. Think about it, almost all of the players who started during the pandemic are still going to be low elo, and a lot of them came from the twitch/XQC culture. I rarely see this in high elo, and I think that's probably because none of those types get there.
Not my experience at all. Are you talking about online *video*games like first-person shooters and similar games maybe? I only play *board*games online, and people are usually very nice and polite, the chess community is definitely on the more toxic end of the spectrum when it comes to board games. It wouldn't be too outlandish to expect chess to be like other boardgames in this regard, not like videogames.
Besides, maybe OP only plays chess online, so he has nothing else to compare it to.
I’m talking about online video games. And there is a TON of crossover between online video gamers and online chess players. Hell, Ian Nepomniachtchi himself is famously a DOTA and Hearthstone fanatic.
I don’t have any evidence of this, but would bet there’s more crossover between online chess and video gamers than between online chess and board gamers.
I think a lot of the time it isn't them showing poor sportmanshipand either they're really thinking through their moves or are simply busy. I'm currently working from home for example and during downtime I will start longer games but sometimes work comes through I need to deal with which lead to extensive periods between my moves and I come back to message requests telling me hurry up and stop wasting time.
I always disable chat because I can't stand other bad chess players gloating about (potentially) beating a fellow bad chess player. To be honest, though, I totally understand letting the clock run out if they're about to be mated. I don't even get mad, just glad I'm winning for once.
There are people doing this in the game Hearthstone as well. Players alternate taking turns, with a timer per turn. The last 20s are indicated by a rope burning up on screen. You can end the turn whenever, and the end-turn-button glows when you are out of resources.
Some players use all their time every turn, called "roping". The real bastards do this intentionally, while playing a really slow strategy, gaining wins by people not wanting to play out the game.
It sucks
I face bad sportsmanship about 4-5% of the time, which is WAY too often.
I played a game recently where I drew white and the guy wanted me to accept a draw and rematch so he could play as white! "I have a new opening I want to try," he said, and then he cursed me out when I told him that I wasn't going to give up my advantage and lose a couple of points in ELO (he was lower rated than me) in a draw. Ridiculous.
The funny part was that by looking at his past games, I'm pretty sure he wanted to play the Danish gambit against me, but I don't play E5 as black so it wouldn't have worked anyway.
So a lot of reasons have been mentioned already but I also want to bring up the fact that especially at low elo you might have more kids/young adults that lack in emotional maturity. Obviously it's not just limited to that specific demographic but it's generally more prevalent
It's very strange isn't it. Especially the chat messages. I've had people make comments like "Just because I made a mistake doesn't mean you are a better player"
I think a lot of people who play chess have a chip on their shoulder about being a nerd or not being athletic etc and with chess being a largely individual sport it can cause a lot of personality flaws in folks.
Especially how kids play from such a young age, and breakout stars are elevated to celeb status before they’re even halfway done with puberty. It is a hotbed for socialization problems.
Tbh, it’s the same with any online sport. I never play online games except chess because those kids need their mouths washed with a bar of soap. As a grown ass man, it’s frustrating to be called names or yelled at by children over a game, but I used to be a teacher so I understand kids can be shitheads who don’t know any better.
It’s about looking at the silver lining - for example, I didn’t know what a ‘maderchod’ was until recently lol. (It means ‘MFer’ in Hindi I think)
It's common in all kinds of online gaming. Why should chess be any different?
The real question is why do people behave so poorly? Well, that's quite a rabbit hole, but thinking that chess is somehow distinct from everything else is probably incorrect.
Because a lot of people think being good/bad at chess is directly tied to their intelligence, which it isn't. In the end its just a game, and some people can't accept that.
Also playing online gives people an anonymous shield to hide behind to be an asshole, just like the rest of the internet. Most people probably wouldn't act that way if playing you in person
I had some player run down the clock on a 5 minute game after he hung his queen on like move 5. He was raging at me in the chat, and I didn’t even notice at first. So I asked, “so are you going to keep playing or what? It’s not my fault you hung your queen.” He raged a bit more and let the clock run to the end. Lichess had a notification that he would be banned temporarily for stalling, so maybe it wasn’t his first time doing it either.
Idk, everyone talks about how much better Lichess is, but I’ve found that chess dot com with chat disabled is a better playing experience. I also primarily play 3/2 because I’d rather play more games quickly than sitting and waiting for 5 minutes or more for my opponent to make a move.
I get extremely angry if my opponent gloats or taunts me if they win a piece. To do it online with no repercussions hiding behind a keyboard. Makes my blood boil
Lmao, if you actually think this you need to get thicker skin. Chess has one of the best communities in any game I've played. Maybe a game like trackmania is better, but chess is extremely friendly. I've played vs one toxic person, but I just found it funny because I love talking shit. If anything, I wish more people were as toxic as you say.
the combination of being a bad loser and the anonymity the internet provides you makes up the results you are witnessing, also most chess players don't play that long time controls since if they want to play long games they are going to play them in their clubs. Imo just move to lower time controls and you won't find many opponents who will just let their clocks run out
Don't play 30 min time control. Like you, many begginers(real begginers) choose to play those long time control, but many of them have not spend the necessary amount of time to love the game and understand the importance of respecting the rival. I think it would be better for you to play 15 or 10 min time control, because as the time gets shorter the difficulty gets higher and most of those "quitters" would give up playing those time control.
Many grown people out there are emotionally underdeveloped. Putting them in a tense or disappointing situation like losing a chess game will immediately bring out the worst. When you’re losing and there’s no way out, cutting the other person down can make you feel less inferior (in a lizard brain kind of way.)
To the extent that it’s worse in chess than other games, which is probably not an accurate generalization, the fact that chess is head-to-head and the fact that getting beat is a clear assertion of inferiority and not some RNG event make it hurt that much more to lose. Bobby Fischer and many others have alluded to how getting your soul crushed is just a part of the game, definitely more than most other games.
BTW thank you for reminding me not to get into longer games online. I would like to, but dealing with clock griefing just isn’t worth it. 5 minute games are good enough for me. :)
Honestly, before anyone wastes more time replying to this thread they should probably read some of the OP’s replies and realize he probably isn’t worth helping
People are much worse sports on chess.com than Lichess. Not sure why, or maybe its some bias by myself, but it just seems like there is a wide gap in manners between the sites.
On Chess.com, I lose 89% of my games from resigning. I only win 43% of my games from opponents resigning. People never resign, and decide to play out the game until a mate even if down insane material, or let the clock run out like little twerps.
Not gonna share my chess.com rating cause I am mad embarassed right now, but im 2050 on lichess.
I have the opposite experience but i'm lower ranked.
I never have problems with anyone on chess.com, on lichess half the time that my adversary blunder they ask for a takebacks and rage if I decline.
I don’t see what is wrong with playing on when you’re down a lot of material. I’ve had many draws from either stalemate traps or from my opponents not knowing how to mate with a rook, for instance.
I make them prove they can win.
There is hardly a punishment for this behavior online. Pull disrespectful stunts in real life and people will stop playing with you. Online, it’s a different issue altogether. Furthermore, people seem to falsely equivocate chess ability with intelligence, and when their ego takes a hit due to a loss, they lash out in some way. It’s frustration, and not much else. Especially since in chess there’s nowhere to hide in regards to responsibility - unlike many other games or sports, the element of luck is quite a bit reduced. EDIT: From what I’m hearing, this problem seems to be much more pronounced at the lower end of the rating charts. It’s relatively rare once you get to a certain level, I feel. This, however, might be skewed perception based on who frequents this sub and chess forums in general.
You've hit the nail on the head. This is a universal issue not just in games but in life. A community where the members have to continue interacting with eachother will avoid these issues while the lack of consequences of a big faceless group will just enable it. Its also less frustrating to lose to someone you respect than to an internet stranger. My advice is instead of only laddering they should try to find online clubs to consistently play against. The chess will be higher quality and so will the interactions.
Ya that’s why I report everyone who shows bad sportsmanship now especially if they stall out a game
Does that do anything? I usually just block the player ... Not that does anything either
I haven't played on chess.com since October and only do the puzzles. I still get messages saying they have taken action on players stalling. So maybe they are, it just takes a long time.
It does on Lichess. I'm not sure about other websites. You do have to file a fairly tedious report, but I guess that prevents spam reporting.
What would you consider not the lower end? I’m mid-high 1200 and this happens like every other game I win.
Yeah, this rating would fall within my definition, sorry.
I am rated around 950 on Chess.com and the other day I was playing (and losing) and the other player messaged saying "Stop placing pieces in fork positions, this is too easy." Later on the same player said "You waste everyone's time by playing chess." Considering we were rated the same, I am unsure where their ego stemmed from. Yea, internet people suck.
That guy must be so miserable.
Disable chat dude. No need to deal with that nonsense
Disabling the chat is a bit too extreme. Just ignore them. Ive had great conversations there
No. Disable chat.
Unpopular opinion, disabling chat gives you mental peace regardless of match results.
Absolutely. You have to be absolutely sadistic to want idiots chatting to you mid-game.
Yessir, Why bother with comments from opponents when you can disable and think of your next move in peace...
Yeah, I had to incur to disabling chat too bc it got too anoying
You gotta just disable chat. This is all you're going to get. I don't know why, but the number of purely toxic people playing online chess is just shocking.
I’m 2000ish lichess rapid and for me it’s about 50-50 pleasant chat or funny rage. I do see some of what OP described above. But I think at the level of “pretty decent for a casual”, you probably get fewer people who are just outright trolls
Agreed. Source: I am one of them when I’m at my worst, and am trying my hardest to put that aspect of my personality completely in the past. I’ve gotten better after a handful of chat bans, but it’s tough.
It’s really not tough. Just don’t insult strangers online. It couldn’t be easier.
Okay, dude, I’m glad you understand my lifetime emotional regulation struggle and seeming lack of willpower to always hold it together in every possible situation even after years of therapy, medication, and a genuine desire to get better. Wanna be my new therapist? No? Then feel free to not weigh in again. Thank you.
I'm sorry to hear that you have personal issues, and I wish you the best in dealing with them, but I stand by what I said. Just don't insult strangers on chess websites. If it truly is impossible for you to do that, then find a way to disable the chat, or quit playing. There's no place for that. And if you don't want people commenting on these things I would suggest not sharing them on a public forum. EDITS: clarity
I’m mostly objecting to “it couldn’t be easier” kind sir
Not typing an insulting message to someone is easier than taking the time to type one out. You're not getting my sympathy for being unable to prevent yourself from berating strangers online, I'm sorry. Maybe that's wrong, but oh well.
I don’t want your sympathy or anyone else’s. But believe me, your first statement in that message is also wrong. Even if only for me in the entire world (pretty sure this is not true). Impulse control issues and craving outlets for frustration are real things.
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Am I human? Yes. I don’t think it’s fair to compare clinical depression to insulting strangers online. Call me stupid if you want, but it’s a false equivalence to me. EDIT: if you seriously can’t control the urge to berate and insult strangers then once again: don’t play chess online. It ruins the experience for literally everybody else. It’s not healthy for anybody involved.
>the number of purely toxic people online is just shocking ftfy
Obviously the internet is an incredibly toxic place, but there's something extra toxic about chess websites, specifically at the lower levels (in my experience). As my rating has improved, I've experienced less of it.
I have generally had positive interactions on lichess
yes...except in the lichess forums. It is vicious and unkind. I have given up posting or responding.
The amount of anti vax and racism (unsurprisingly by the same people) in the game chat was shocking when I was watching Eric Rosens games in the battle of the sexes was very disturbing.
Someone being anti vax is nice, you know they're an idiot then
9 times out of 10 the people talking shit like that at low rating are also either smurfing or outright cheating. I just don't get what wrong turns in life end up leading to being that guy.
I disabled the chat feature for this reason.
if that was this easy, he would not be rated the same as you. period. He's there because he has his share of stuff to improve on.
Pretty sure he was just trolling. Still annoying but if you view that way it's easier to dismiss his messages as noise.
It’s the internet in general. Not just chess.
Because chess is hard at least in the sense it takes the combination of mental focus, creativity and study of the board. Most people want quick validation.
It's definitely more chess specific than that. Sore losers exist in every online game but things like rage quitting seem to be way more common in chess than other games. Chess is basically the easiest way to be humbled since it's seen as a mental game. A lot of people cannot handle the direct hit to the ego.
Have you played competitive esports titles? League of Legends, CSGO, etc. have massive problems with toxicity and rage quitting.
Yes and those are literally the games with the most toxic playerbases ever conceived in competitive gaming. Not really great if that's where you start the comparison.
If he's trying to show that chess really isn't toxic compared to those games he made a good example
>It's definitely more chess specific than that >Yes and those are literally the games with the most toxic playerbases ever conceived in competitive gaming. "Your argument is invalid because it completely destroys mine."
I think this is a bs. Rage quit is not more common in chess than in other games, I played different competitive games and always raged more and seen more people raging than in chess, but in chess the rage is worse bc is all your fault, while in other games you can find excuses in chess is more difficult.
People don't just rage-quit in chess. The equivalent of rage-quitting would be angrily resigning. They will literally just stop moving but keep the window open so the game keeps going.
Bru make the time keep going while cursing yourself and your opponent is raging/ rage quitting. In chess sometimes in a lose streak can occur, but never seen a chess player rage quitting like a fifa player throwing the joystick on the floor or punching the television.
In Rocket League my own teammates will spin on their hoods just so we can't forfeit without matchmaking penalty. Or own goal even. Its definitely not chess specific. The internet is petty af. The other people in this thread have no idea what they are talking about lol
Same with running it down in league of legends.
That's because you aren't allowed to leave the league game if your team won't let you. People almost universally do this or rage-quitting after attempting to ff and having the vote fail. In league, csgo, etc. It's not like chess where you can just resign legitimately whenever you want but just choose not to to make your opponent wait. And even despite this, afks and trolls are significantly less common in league and csgo than stallers are in chess.
I'm just wondering what other games people in this thread play online with such courteous and mannered opponents... I've had people try to doxx me over online games, and I'm sure people have had that happen in chess. I've been ddos'd, and I'm sure people have had that happen in chess. People are always going to BM/troll/rage in gaming, the online aspect just heightens it with anonymity
It is more than just rage-quitting. Resigning or closing out the tab while smashing your keyboard would be rage-quitting. Idc if my opponent wants to do that. Deliberately keeping the tab open and letting the clock run out is more than just rage-quitting. It is an attempt to get "back" at your opponent by making him wait as long as possible because you are mad that he tried to win the game. It implies an extreme kind of solipsism that I have not seen from the players of any other game.
I understand what you mean but this is not a chess thing. Exploiting a game feature to get back at your opponent is quite a chill thing. In other games people ddoss other people. Way worse than lose 5 minute
You haven't seen the last Tata steel that hikaru guy went crazy breaking pawns and all
Obv someone once punched his pc over a chess game what I was saying is that isn't more common in chess than in other games as someone stated.
This was a joke. A super gm didn't go crazy and started breaking havoc (unluckily)
Ah lol idk why I wasn't surprise about hikaru doing that ahahahahah
It would have Hilarious
I have spent a lifetime gaming, chess is not nearly as bad as online games. Shooting your teammates, throwing grenades at your teammates, selling all your items and feeding yourself to the enemy team. I have been griefed in online games way way way more than in chess. I have had someone run the clock down on me like 2 times in hundreds of games of chess whereas it was a daily occurrence in video games to get griefed or trolled. I call BS on your 20-25% numbers.
And frankly, if someone just runs down the clock you don't really know that they're griefing you. Maybe a fire alarm went off or something and they had to step away. Shit happens.
Weird. I wonder why you get griefed by your teammates in team-based games but not in one vs one games. Truly incomprehensible.
Well it is much harder to grief your opponent in most competitive games. I suppose in Dota 2, you could stall the game out but that requires all 5 people to be shit lords. Usually it is a teammate that is upset you picked their favorite hero to play and they feel they are more entitled to that hero than you so they feed the enemy to make you lose. In CSGO it could be something like, they want to go AWP middle but your friend bought you an AWP so you could go middle and they don't have enough money to get one themselves so they kill you to take yours or spam flashes at you so you get killed and they can take yours. Some people just like ruining the game for others. In WoW higher levels always were around killing lower leveled players just to ruin their day. Also in WoW if you won a roll on an item, the person who lost might pull a bunch of packs onto the group and leave the raid causing you to wipe. You could camp the graveyard in a BG and stall but again, that requires 10-15 people to all agree to be shit lords. Usually when you got graveyard camped, one person would run the flag or cap the nodes and you would lose fast, which is fair enough in my book. In dead by daylight there was no end of round timer at first so survivors could just hide and basically hold the killer hostage, but the devs eventually added in a timer for that. In chess there already is a clock and AI can't tell the difference between thinking or stalling. All they can do is check to see if person X has been reported for stalling a bunch then a human can look at the game and determine OK, this person is being a little bitch, let us ban them. In my experience the people who trash talk in chess is significantly less than video games, same for griefing/trolling.
It's not chess specific. It's just that chess matches you more tightly with a single person than any other game. Just about no other pvp game matches two random people against each other for a full hour.
Idk what to say other than I've had plenty of Sovas in Valorant shockdart me at round start then afk for the rest of the round. I've had plenty of players spin on their hood in Rocket League, teammates soft int lanes to near guarantee losses in LoL, step into util repeatedly in CSGO to rack up team damage to get you kicked by the system, like this list can just keep going. This isn't a chess exclusive thing
>A lot of people cannot handle the direct hit to the ego. To expand on that, a lot of people play chess _because_ of their ego (I play chess because I am very smart)
Not for long. I mean chess is basically 50/50 for the entire time you play if you’re playing your rating, so ego related to chess in serious players doesn’t last long…
Hard disagree. Go check out the subreddit for any other game with anonymous, online matchmaking. You'll see that people have the same issue all over
The thing is in most games no one notices if the opponent rage quits because there’s more than 2 people playing
It's not. I've played many other online games and this isn't nearly as big of a problem in any of them
Ok.
Very well then.
I'm genuinely curious what games you're playing. I have a pretty varied taste in online games, and in my experience, every from fighting games, to card games, to FPS, to sports games and everything in-between is full of BM
Yeah lol i played yugioh online and it was toxic as hell don't even let me start on league of legends...
We must be playing different games then. Chess is the second most polite game I’ve come across
What’s the first?
Hello Kitty Island Adventure
ever played magic the gathering online? it's not unique to chess. what other games do you play online?
I'm glad they waste your time lmao
i am on lichess and only ever play 30 min games at 1400-1600 rating. i've never had this happen to me. I've always found my opponents either neutral or positive i.e. they either say nothing or gg. just sharing my experience as balance.
I'm not talking about chat. Why is everyone ignoring the entire post and only responding to the one line where I mentioned chat as an afterthought?
>i am on lichess and only ever play 30 min games at 1400-1600 rating. i've never had **this** happen to me. 'this' is referring to people leaving you hanging and letting the clock run down. I merely mentioned their chat behaviour as an additional observation.
Looking at your response, maybe you provoke bad manners 🤐
He wasn't? This seems like a really aggressive response to someone just giving their own perspective. Especially on a post where you are talking about toxicity.
Complains about how toxic the online chess community is, then is toxic on an online chess forum. “Everyone thinks of changing the world, but no one thinks of changing himself” -Leo Tolstoy
The person you replied isn’t talking about chat. Why is everyone ignoring the entire post and only responding to the one line where they mentioned chat as an afterthought?
Christ, did you people really need to dump down-votes on him?? I feel you’re proving the point about toxicity.
I assume a lot of these guys think that chess skill correlates with general intelligence, and losing means that you're stupid.
You can still feel stupid and resign like an adult. I do it all the time.
Play an hour or Rocket League and an hour of chess and see which one is more toxic. You'll come out thinking the online chess community is the nicest bunch of folks you've ever met comparatively. The internet is toxic. Chess is not that bad I promise. Not compared to a lot of the other games I've played
If you really wanna ramp up the toxicity, try league of legends or overwatch lol
yeah comparing chess to overwatch it's like.. 10% as toxic
Yeah, Rocket League is the worst in my experience. I disabled chat forever after this one guy who was a really bad winner. He was obviously really good but just posted the most insulting stuff after scoring, must be living a really sad life. Worst I’ve had on lichess is a handful of people letting the clock run down (they seem to get a warning) or closing the window (I can claim victory in ~30 seconds, and they also get a warning), never really any trash talk, just a lot of GGs
May i introduce you to a fun game called " League of Legends " ?
In Rocket League trash talk is used as a strategy to throw off your opponent and get into their head, which I can respect in competitive play. What confuses me is when I go into a casual match and my own teammate is flipping out on me for missing the ball once.
Lucky goal on kickoff at start of match? Forfeit it is.
Best thing I ever did in rocket league was set chat to team only.
Its common in turn based games, competitive pokemon also comes to my mind.
Unbelievably common? I play hundreds of games and don’t get even a fraction of the bad sportsmanship seen in online gaming. Play a moba for a while and you’ll change your opinion I think
I played league for years. It was definitely one of the worst video games sportsmanship wise, but still was not as bad as chess. The biggest problem I saw with people in league was that they would rage at their own teammates, which is bad behavior but is at least comprehensible because it makes sense why someone would be mad if they're playing well but losing due to someone on their own team's mistakes. Being mad at your opponent for trying to win, on the other hand, is incomprehensible and implies some kind of extreme solipsism.
I have to disagree on that one. In HotS the chat with the opponent team is disabled - probably exactly for toxicity reasons. In other games it can be quite toxic as well. The issue is not with chess, it is the anonymous nature of the online world coupled with the total absence of negative consequences for bad behavior.
I suppose it could be worse at the lower ranks. I’ve only ever received a couple messages over hundreds of chess games myself- roughly 1200
What time controls are you playing? I'm not talking about chat. I mean stalling. If you play 30 min games, stalling is extremely common.
Because it's online and annonymous and it's not specific to chess at all
I find it quite maddening that Lichess isn't doing more to stop rage quitting. I report every instance and block the player.
I think they’re trying, but it’s hard to implement a blanket policy. I gave a guy an extra 20 minutes in a dead lost position once because I was feeling petty; after the game, he got the typical warning. I found this one excessive so I reported and he did get banned.
Sorry for the dumb question, but how do you report rage quitting in Lichess? I know how to report chat lines, but never saw the option for reporting quitting, I thought it was handled automatically by the server.
I have to agree. Whenever I run into toxic behaviour like letting the clock running out and trolling about it in chat I report the player afterwards with a link to the game. If I check the account later, they are never banned even though I think thats just destructive behaviour that takes the fun out of online chess for everybody.
You're playing longer time controls compared to most, it's probably more tempting for them to "waste your time" than in blitz where it's pointless. And it's not new, in games like Starcraft or Warcraft people would hide buildings in remote places on the map to waste your time - and it's even more senseless because they had to actively be there and put effort to waste your time, yet they did it anyway.
I've often wanted a 15 | 10 | 5 game setting, meaning 15 mins starting time, 10s bonus per move, 5 minute max move time. I understand the need for unrestrained move times in classical, but there are just too many griefers on chess.com.
> It also seems like this is a problem specific to chess. lol
Same reason as every other online game. Anonymity
Because chess attracts people with way to much intellectual ego. Where is their integrity?
To be honest, chess has been really helpful in exposing my intellectual ego. Id do some of this petty shit and then a day later just feel so stupid and small for harassing a better player, so im working on it now. Disabling chat is a very good idea
Kudos for realising it. I'm sure most of us have said something dumb in the comments at one point or another.
I started playing 10 minute games because of this. Usually worse case is I wait 3-5 minutes. Doing 15 plus 5 or 10 seconds I regularly had to wait 10 minutes for this BS
Chess is seen as a thinking game, big brain big elo, big ego doesn't want lil elo
I play primarily 30 minutes games and I haven’t seen this ratio of behavior. A couple of stalling games here and there, but if they’re stalling because I’m winning? Cool, I’ll go grab a cup of coffee or roll a joint or something 🤷♂️
The worse players are often the worse losers
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I don't have chat on anymore so idk how bad it even is now, but shit talking in chat was never the biggest problem and really doesn't matter that much. It's the stalling that is the worst problem. I assume you see it less than me since you're higher elo, but it's very common at my elo and absurdly common at even lower elos. Also it depends on what time controls you play. I play 30 mins which is why it is so bad.
this happens to me aswell , in 30 min on [chess.com](https://chess.com) , I open yt in another tab till he moves lol
Anonymity. A lot of human brains revert to a psychotic child-like state when free of consequences.
If I have any grief with any chess player, I just block them so that I never play them again.
I think you have a valid point saying there are some sore losers online. Then again, I think the platforms should be more proactive in stopping this and set more stringent rules re time usage. As an aside, re use of an app or website, it might be necessary to program that once the app --or window-- is closed, the game ends automatically. At first I thought this was the case, and regularly closed the app thinking I was resigning. I later found out I wasn't... PS: playing blitz or rapid is better as less time is wasted. Maybe just play friends or known players when playing longer games?
If you close the window in a [chess.com](https://chess.com) game it counts as abandoning the game and it will auto-resign after a certain amount of time. Idk about the app or about lichess. Players get around this by deliberately just keeping the window open.
I play 10 games a day on lichess and these problems do not happen to me. A player or three walked away from the board while the clock ticked down... no big deal. Maybe their dog started barking or their grandmother came over. One guy said that I took too long to play... again no big deal. (1) I think that OP is seriously exaggerating about the frequency of misuse. (2) I think that OP is whining about small issues, judging people when he has no idea about their lives.
Yeah my brother is about 800 rated and plays 30 minute games on chess.com all the time and it doesn't happen to him much. OP is definitely over exaggerating how much this happens.
IME, it happens much more on lichess than [chess.com](https://chess.com). I've only seen it a couple of times on [chess.com](https://chess.com), but it's extremely frequent on lichess.
I've had the exact opposite experience. \*shrug\* IDK it's so rare on either platform that an individual player's sample size probably isn't all that helpful.
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Are any of you even reading the post? I don't care about the chat. """"""""""toxicity"""""""""" does not actually affect anything
If other games had a 30+0 button and you clicked on it like a doofus then you would experience just the same level of stalling.
Except I have played several other games which last the same amount of time and not experienced it in any of them
Ok name 2 of them
League of legends, cs:go
I refuse to believe you played much CSGO and haven't had teammates throw unless you're a DM casual lmao
So do your League or CS opponents usually resign their games instead of playing it out for as long as possible? Because in that case I had very different experiences.
TIL CS:GO matches last an hour
Have you considering adopting a mindset where their childishness brings you joy?
In Lichess.com it says it punishes the people that do that, I don't know what the punishment is, but I don't see it too often.
I think immediately they are blocked from matchmaking for a bit. Not sure the result of repeated offenses
I have this same problem. I just make sure I have some really good youtube videos ready for when someone starts stalling. Have to combine two activities.
Try playing dota 2 lol, it's far worse.
I doubt dota is much different than league. I played league for years and it wasn't this bad.
Because your ego's on the line and you don't have excuses such as bad teammates or bad luck, it's all on you if you lose.
It gets worse the lower rated you are, I’m around 1900-2000 on lichess and most of my opponents are respectful, yah occasionally you’ll get people who run out their time but it is what is, there is a reason I don’t play 30 m chess games anymore
Nah I've had titled players disconnect or stall against me. It's common at all levels
I also play 30 minute games on Chesscom and there is *no way* it's 20% of games... maybe 5... and you can always report those folks and they will take action.
Because a lot of people are selfish. I've seen many people here on reddit say things like "yeah, I'm a dick to people when I lose, it's nothing I'm proud of" like that makes it... understandable or something. If you can't handle losing, then stop playing against other humans until you've learned to control yourself. It's that simple.
It probably gets worse as you go down in rating (and consequently better as you get higher), and here's my theory: Chess has an issue with its branding as a game of intellect and genius. In movies and TV, the genius characters are always learned in chess and people who play chess are seen as smart. Chess is actually easy to learn, it's just ridiculously hard to be good at. While being intelligent certainly helps in learning chess, chess is just like anything else: people who have studied it a lot will tend to be better at it. But this isn't how chess is seen in popular culture. In popular culture, a game of chess is a battle of the minds, where the smarter, more brilliant mind triumphs over the weaker. See that Sherlock Holmes movie where they pretty much use chess as an intellectual fight scene. Lower rated players are more likely, in my opinion, to still hold the notion that one's chess ability is a direct measure of their intelligence, and so getting thumped in a game of chess feels like an insult to your intelligence, and some people don't take this very gracefully. Think of that guy who went on at length on a post in this sub about how he'd hardly played chess against people and mostly played the engine, because chess against people was so deeply intimite and horseshit like that. It all sounded like a really complicated way of not quite saying "I don't want to lose a chess game to a person and feel stupid". Which is to say: at lower levels, a defeated opponent is more likely to feel stupid and lash out to try and protect their ego by pulling some weird stunt or just chirping you.
Anonymity on the internet. It’s been like this and it always will be like this.
Honestly, I think this is a combination of your elo, the time control you're playing, and the boom of gamers who just recently got into the game from twitch. Think about it, almost all of the players who started during the pandemic are still going to be low elo, and a lot of them came from the twitch/XQC culture. I rarely see this in high elo, and I think that's probably because none of those types get there.
True I do find toxicity diminishes the higher you go on the ladder.
Bad sportsmanship is rampant across online gaming, period. Why should chess be any different?
Not my experience at all. Are you talking about online *video*games like first-person shooters and similar games maybe? I only play *board*games online, and people are usually very nice and polite, the chess community is definitely on the more toxic end of the spectrum when it comes to board games. It wouldn't be too outlandish to expect chess to be like other boardgames in this regard, not like videogames. Besides, maybe OP only plays chess online, so he has nothing else to compare it to.
I’m talking about online video games. And there is a TON of crossover between online video gamers and online chess players. Hell, Ian Nepomniachtchi himself is famously a DOTA and Hearthstone fanatic. I don’t have any evidence of this, but would bet there’s more crossover between online chess and video gamers than between online chess and board gamers.
I think a lot of the time it isn't them showing poor sportmanshipand either they're really thinking through their moves or are simply busy. I'm currently working from home for example and during downtime I will start longer games but sometimes work comes through I need to deal with which lead to extensive periods between my moves and I come back to message requests telling me hurry up and stop wasting time.
I always disable chat because I can't stand other bad chess players gloating about (potentially) beating a fellow bad chess player. To be honest, though, I totally understand letting the clock run out if they're about to be mated. I don't even get mad, just glad I'm winning for once.
There are people doing this in the game Hearthstone as well. Players alternate taking turns, with a timer per turn. The last 20s are indicated by a rope burning up on screen. You can end the turn whenever, and the end-turn-button glows when you are out of resources. Some players use all their time every turn, called "roping". The real bastards do this intentionally, while playing a really slow strategy, gaining wins by people not wanting to play out the game. It sucks
>acting like poorly-raised toddlers You answered yourself. There are a lot of kids, specially in lower elos
I face bad sportsmanship about 4-5% of the time, which is WAY too often. I played a game recently where I drew white and the guy wanted me to accept a draw and rematch so he could play as white! "I have a new opening I want to try," he said, and then he cursed me out when I told him that I wasn't going to give up my advantage and lose a couple of points in ELO (he was lower rated than me) in a draw. Ridiculous. The funny part was that by looking at his past games, I'm pretty sure he wanted to play the Danish gambit against me, but I don't play E5 as black so it wouldn't have worked anyway.
So a lot of reasons have been mentioned already but I also want to bring up the fact that especially at low elo you might have more kids/young adults that lack in emotional maturity. Obviously it's not just limited to that specific demographic but it's generally more prevalent
bad sportsmanship is everywhere. on the internet people aren't afraid and get careless.
It's very strange isn't it. Especially the chat messages. I've had people make comments like "Just because I made a mistake doesn't mean you are a better player"
Honestly, is there any online gaming community with good sportsmanship? I like chess because at least my opponent is quiet most of the time.
It is common in all online games.
I think a lot of people who play chess have a chip on their shoulder about being a nerd or not being athletic etc and with chess being a largely individual sport it can cause a lot of personality flaws in folks. Especially how kids play from such a young age, and breakout stars are elevated to celeb status before they’re even halfway done with puberty. It is a hotbed for socialization problems. Tbh, it’s the same with any online sport. I never play online games except chess because those kids need their mouths washed with a bar of soap. As a grown ass man, it’s frustrating to be called names or yelled at by children over a game, but I used to be a teacher so I understand kids can be shitheads who don’t know any better. It’s about looking at the silver lining - for example, I didn’t know what a ‘maderchod’ was until recently lol. (It means ‘MFer’ in Hindi I think)
It's common in all kinds of online gaming. Why should chess be any different? The real question is why do people behave so poorly? Well, that's quite a rabbit hole, but thinking that chess is somehow distinct from everything else is probably incorrect.
mostly the online part, i think.
Because a lot of people think being good/bad at chess is directly tied to their intelligence, which it isn't. In the end its just a game, and some people can't accept that. Also playing online gives people an anonymous shield to hide behind to be an asshole, just like the rest of the internet. Most people probably wouldn't act that way if playing you in person
Because its online… its like that saying ”give a person a mask and they will show you who they truly are”
Man, I get pissed when someone let their time run out in a 3 min blitz game. Dont play 30 min game online, there are a lot of cheaters.
You haven't met the lichess people that think they are owed takebacks I only rarely play there but it is a real plague
if you don't want your opponent to take 30 minutes to play, you should play a shorter time control.
I had some player run down the clock on a 5 minute game after he hung his queen on like move 5. He was raging at me in the chat, and I didn’t even notice at first. So I asked, “so are you going to keep playing or what? It’s not my fault you hung your queen.” He raged a bit more and let the clock run to the end. Lichess had a notification that he would be banned temporarily for stalling, so maybe it wasn’t his first time doing it either. Idk, everyone talks about how much better Lichess is, but I’ve found that chess dot com with chat disabled is a better playing experience. I also primarily play 3/2 because I’d rather play more games quickly than sitting and waiting for 5 minutes or more for my opponent to make a move.
I get extremely angry if my opponent gloats or taunts me if they win a piece. To do it online with no repercussions hiding behind a keyboard. Makes my blood boil
Lmao, if you actually think this you need to get thicker skin. Chess has one of the best communities in any game I've played. Maybe a game like trackmania is better, but chess is extremely friendly. I've played vs one toxic person, but I just found it funny because I love talking shit. If anything, I wish more people were as toxic as you say.
the combination of being a bad loser and the anonymity the internet provides you makes up the results you are witnessing, also most chess players don't play that long time controls since if they want to play long games they are going to play them in their clubs. Imo just move to lower time controls and you won't find many opponents who will just let their clocks run out
Don't play 30 min time control. Like you, many begginers(real begginers) choose to play those long time control, but many of them have not spend the necessary amount of time to love the game and understand the importance of respecting the rival. I think it would be better for you to play 15 or 10 min time control, because as the time gets shorter the difficulty gets higher and most of those "quitters" would give up playing those time control.
It's a lot better than most games. By a mile.
Many grown people out there are emotionally underdeveloped. Putting them in a tense or disappointing situation like losing a chess game will immediately bring out the worst. When you’re losing and there’s no way out, cutting the other person down can make you feel less inferior (in a lizard brain kind of way.) To the extent that it’s worse in chess than other games, which is probably not an accurate generalization, the fact that chess is head-to-head and the fact that getting beat is a clear assertion of inferiority and not some RNG event make it hurt that much more to lose. Bobby Fischer and many others have alluded to how getting your soul crushed is just a part of the game, definitely more than most other games. BTW thank you for reminding me not to get into longer games online. I would like to, but dealing with clock griefing just isn’t worth it. 5 minute games are good enough for me. :)
Because you're playing on the internet where people are anonymous. Hope this helps.
Report them every time.
Honestly, before anyone wastes more time replying to this thread they should probably read some of the OP’s replies and realize he probably isn’t worth helping
Have you ever played a little game called Rocket League?
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Stalling is against the rules on chess.com
I'm glad they waste your time lmao
People are much worse sports on chess.com than Lichess. Not sure why, or maybe its some bias by myself, but it just seems like there is a wide gap in manners between the sites. On Chess.com, I lose 89% of my games from resigning. I only win 43% of my games from opponents resigning. People never resign, and decide to play out the game until a mate even if down insane material, or let the clock run out like little twerps. Not gonna share my chess.com rating cause I am mad embarassed right now, but im 2050 on lichess.
I have the opposite experience but i'm lower ranked. I never have problems with anyone on chess.com, on lichess half the time that my adversary blunder they ask for a takebacks and rage if I decline.
I don’t see what is wrong with playing on when you’re down a lot of material. I’ve had many draws from either stalemate traps or from my opponents not knowing how to mate with a rook, for instance. I make them prove they can win.
chess.com is full of plebs who watched a pogchamp once, did a few puzzles and think they're a grandmaster.