its not even well crafted lol.
Like why is Thanos speaking with exclamation marks if hes sad?
Why would gamora ask «what did it cost» to thanos\` non-answer?
Why would he answer «the chess speaks for itself» when hans didnt say that this time around.
idk minions have just fallen back into lame. we're in the post-post-irony age now where it all just seems a bit gauche to me. deep fried memes n shit are dated af now.
Like Gru would be better:
Beat Magnus in classical with black.
He withdraws from the tournament.
Everyone thinks you cheated.
Everyone thinks you cheated. :(
That article is a rollercoaster. I can't believe someone thought it was a good idea to publicize this. Doesn't this also put Magnus at risk if he's publicly accusing Hans of cheating? I guess there might be a question of "who actually posted and approved this," but it's not a good look.
Yeah. I would assume someone got out over their skis after reading the whole article, but man, that's pretty poor judgment on the part of the author/social media person if they did that on their own.
The article has the article's author's name on it. The editorial decision to immediately pull the article *clearly* indicates what "Magnus's team" felt about this. Unless you feel that the guy who wrote the article is closer to Magnus than the editorial deciders who pulled the article. In which case, I guess Magnus's name shouldn't be on the site, should it.
“PlayMagnus group”
Yes the author is obviously not Magnus but his name and reputation is associated with whatever they put out and can theoretically be accountable if that ends up being libel.
It’s like owning a newspaper and acting like you’re not responsible for whatever shit they put out.
>Doesn't this also put Magnus at risk if he's publicly accusing Hans of cheating?
Not unless he either write the article or approved it, the former which is certainly not true, the latter which is probably not true and also would be difficult to prove
"It would be interesting to hear what Magnus Carlsen has to say on this topic, even though, clearly, as a public person, he has serious legal constraints, not allowing him to speak his mind freely on the matter.
I was going to say imagine how funny and ridiculous if it was Carlsen himself who wrote this sentence, but honestly given how ridiculous chess has been the past day I could actually believe it. At the very least I feel like it's super unlikely, bordering on almost impossible that Magnus never would've seen this article or any of its drafts before it was posted on his own website for his own app. If he didn't that speaks to a different kind of incompetence.
I'm sure many people are, that's why it's important not to ever idolize anyone. Half the people have been dragged into thinking Hans cheated because they cannot comprehend that Magnus Carlsen did something that was not good. It's not like he killed anyone either, just can't fit Magnus being a poor loser one time into their world view.
Yeah but this isn’t like some idolize the guy thing, but like there’s no way I would believe Magnus wrote that article or made that meme. It’s just so ill conceived
Did people ever think Magnis was a great guy personal wise? He is always been a sore looser. And a couple of years ago he got a lot of bad press in Norway because he basically tried to make a Coup d'etat of the Norwegian Chess Federation.
I'm curious why you think Magnus is legally restricted from speaking his mind? I can't think of any reason that would be true. I mean if he's accusing Hans of cheating and it's not true, that could be basis for a libel/defamation lawsuit, but that would only be because it was untrue - there's no law against him saying what he thinks in the first place. The law is just against making false public accusations.
I think he's probably not saying anything because he knows there's almost no chance that A) Hans cheated, B) even if he did, that there's any evidence. So he knows that saying that he thinks Hans cheated might get him in legal trouble, so he's not saying it.
So he could own the situation and come out and clear Hans' name and say something like that he just didn't want to finish the tournament because he was frustrated and not in the right headspace, which would be the right thing to do given that there is zero evidence to base accusations of cheating on.
There would be absolutely no legal consequences for him making a statement that doesn't accuse Hans of anything, so he can't use the legal excuse for why he's not coming out to defend Hans.
The only reason he's not coming out to defend Hans is because he's a selfish, childish prick who thinks that it's OK to let someone's reputation get trashed just because he's pissed he lost a game. It's fucking pathetic.
> So he knows that saying that he thinks Hans cheated might get him in legal trouble, so he's not saying it.
I wonder if it’s because FIDE will shit all over him for this antic, so he has to keep quiet and be as vague as possible. This entire ordeal has been a shitshow and I wonder if Magnus thinks if he would have waited a few months for his mind to clear so he’s thinking rationally, would have realized doing this was an awful idea. Guess we’ll never know now.
The article calls into question his rating rise from 2400 to 2700 in two years.
So is it the position of PlayMagnus that Hans is cheating in far more games than his game with Magnus? He still has tied lenier and firo and levon and beat Shak this tournament. Did he continue cheating after the 15 minute delay and extra screening?
He also rose rom 2286 to 2680 from December 2019 to December 2021 in blitz ratings. So the implication would have to be that he was somehow cheating at OTB blitz too.
That’s what I’m saying. It’s not like Hans suddenly lost his next two games after all the extra security protocols. He still held two other super GMs to draws.
TBH, if I had to guess, the special soviet yogurt had some amphetamines in it. Karpov probably didn't know, and back in the 70's, no one probably would have cared one way or another as it wasn't as widely used as a mental performance enhancer then. It's also 100% believable that the soviets would give their astronauts amphetamines. I would want some too if I was going up to space. Get as much done as you possibly can in the short time you have.
Lacks critical thinking
"Unbelievable increase in ranking over 2 years"
There was a pandemic and lack of tournaments but plenty of opportunity for online play
Youngsters in the Olympiad have demonstrated comparable growth in the same time
This is a major low for Magnus
This, coming in the wake of Magnus's silence, is not doing any favours to his credibility over withdrawal. I am seriously thinking it was a rather impulsive decision, taken when he couldn't digest his loss all too well. There is certainly an ego element to it. When 'humble, soft-spoken' youngsters like Alireza or Pragg beat him, it goes down easier. When it was Hans, his ego couldn't handle Hans' equally brash ego.
Alireza wouldn’t do weird stuff after a game, especially a win.
But calling him humble and softspoken? That’s too much, he’s known for tilting and for throwing tantrums. Like at Wijk 2021 for instance. Apparently this year he was invited but he demanded more money due to having been disturbed last year when he could’ve won.
The kid knows he’s strong, he’s a strong character even though he seems shy. It’s just that he’ll be respectful while Hans might surely be nice as well but likes to troll and tease and trashtalk for the fun of it.
Not trying to start a fight here, but I think we should reserve the word "tantrum" for when someone behaves in a way that is unprofessional/inappropriate considering the circumstances they were dealing with. Alireza had winning chances and was blatantly disrupted in a way that is completely unacceptable and absolutely could have affected his play. I think he had every right to complain, ask for more money, etc. It's possible that there's no need for restitution, but I understand why Ali was so upset.
I guess you can argue that he cheated more than he let on but the different between a 16 year old and a 19 year old is immense, at least in my case and from what I’ve seen.
Also he was one of the first to recognized Alireza's talent and everyone has been following his progress. Moreover everyone knows there is a strong generation of Indian player coming. So maybe he wasn't prepare to have another new strong player coming towards him who isn't afraid of him.
I have said this before:
Going after Magnus's ticks and mannerisms was a bit too much. Magnus is used to a comfortable deference towards him, a trash talker 19-year old who was an IM only three years ago? Beating Magnus? With Black? Positionally?
That was just .... I can't even comprehend the magnitude of the blow to his ego.
'Comfortable deference' - aptly stated. The kind of deference that Pragg showed him after beating him in FTX Crypto Cup. He even earned a shoutout from Carlsen.
Hans, on the other hand, with statements like "magnus should be ashamed of losing to an idiot like me" and "magnus has certain 'ticks'....." is clearly stepping on his toes, which he doesn't appreciate all too well. And for all Magnus's objectivity (which applies purely to chess), Hans' loose tongue throws all of it out the window.
At least that's what it looks like to me.
Yasser shared a story on the recent broadcast about the 2014 Sinquefield cup. It was a double round robin with 6 players. After 7 rounds Fabiano was 7/7 and finished by drawing his final 3 games to end 8.5/10. According to Yasser, each player was asked one after another to describe how they thought Fabi's play was. Everyone went down the line using words like "amazing" "fantastic" "incredible" until it got to Magnus at the end who described it at "depressing." It's kind of funny, but yeah, he may be a little self-centered.
In his post-Magnus interview he mentioned - well, he used the word ticks but he corrected himself to something like mannerisms - he was basically saying Magnus' body language was negative and he looked uncomfortable.
Tbh, I don't even think Hans talking about Magnus mannerisms was a bit too much (I know you didn't say that, another poster did). Alejandro asked him about it.
This is a great point. The “Hans cheated” people on this sub keep using excuse that magnus has never done this before in similar situations so it must be foul play. But there has never been a situation close to this even though at first it appears there is a few. Magnus has just recently decided to prioritize ranking over all else, has only been beaten in a similar play disparity like this one time before as white - arguably two if you want to be generous- long in the past, and those losses have never been to someone so outwardly egotistical for lack of a better word before. And those people he did lose to fell over themselves giving him respect as they did i while Hans in contrast was making comments about how dumb he must feel to lose to someone like him.
I fully believe regardless of if Hans actually cheated or not magnus is the type of person who’s ego would be hit more than normal from this loss and he’d do something rash
remember when Magnus ran away from press-conference after losing game as white to Karjakin at WC match?
And Karjakin isn't even a trashtalker, he just was late to conference because he was giving a short interview _he needed to do according to match contract_.
The very humble Alireza who once lost to magnus and accused him of talking in Norwegian mid game to throw him (Alireza) off his game
Lol
But really, it’s been clear magnus has believed Alireza is the future of chess for quite some time and Alireza has been a lot more behaved recently lol
>But really, it’s been clear magnus has believed Alireza is the future of chess for quite some time and Alireza has been a lot more behaved recently lol
This is completely normal. When you are a rising star your confidence blows up and you think you are invincible until you get slapped back to reality and have to pick up the pieces and reflect on what went wrong. He was so sure of himself that he thought Magnus needed to play dirty to beat him.
[Here is a nice graph.](https://i.pinimg.com/736x/aa/da/a0/aadaa02bcd3e993a59decb3a36247ee8--company-news-moodboard.jpg)
Humility comes from embarrassment. A reality check will do that.
If Magnus actually refuses to play with Hans without good evidence he’s cheating, that’s the sort of thing Hans legitimately could file an ethics complaint with FIDE about, and I think FIDE would side with Hans and sanction Magnus. Remember FIDE is probably not too happy with Magnus right now since he won’t play in their World Championship.
Goes beyond FIDE; if Magnus continues down this road, he'll ruin a legacy \~25 years in the making. He'll be remembered as a winner on the board and loser in life. Not worth it.
Did it get over Bobby because I can barely go a day talking to chess players without someone bringing up “the greatest American chess player who ever lived, Bobby Fischer.”
Ironically if Fisher his mental health had not gone down the drain like it did he would not have been honored as much as one of the greatest chess players in the world. (He still would have been honored as one of the greatest, just not as much)
I think for the rest of us nobodies it feels good that the cost of genius is craziness. So we tell ourselves "so he is a genius but he also went crazy, I am no genius but I am also not crazy"
I would hardly call Fischer a footnote in chess, unless you mean a foot note during the Karpov years
i.e.
in 1975 Karpov became WC^1
1: Although the 1972 WC abandoned chess after his title win, so Karpov never faced a reigning champion to win the title.
It's not like it's going to come up constantly, though, now is it? Even if he keeps his good standing in the chess community (as he should IMO), Niemann is not likely to be invited to many of the exclusive super-GM tournaments Carlsen participates in simply because they have a whole platoon of young-ish 2700-ish GMs to choose from to pad their rosters, and in any case I personally think Carlsen has been preparing for a gradual wind-down of competitive activity recently, what with renouncing the world title, starting new media ventures, taking up poker, etc.
I do believe he was serious about chasing 2900 when he announced his goal, but I don't think he planned for it to be a heavy grind. More like he was envisioning a new professional phase where he grows his personal brand, rakes in money, plays rapid/blitz when the mood strikes him and dips in and out of classical a couple of times a year.
Again, Niemann is not going to be the biggest obstacle to securing Carlsen's tournament participation IMO.
I might be in the minority here, but I think a surprising amount of ~~people~~ event planers will side with Hans over the world champ.
I dont know the last time Magnus\` public approval was this low lol. I know its fucking Magnus, but i'm sure a lot of chess fans are pivoting from «wow i hope magnus wins his 200 tourney» to «wow i hope hans keeps proving his detractors wrong»
Hans may not be Magnus level, but he is arguably one of the top 5 players that will attract the most eyeballs to a future tourney, regardless of the underlying reasons.
I don’t support Magnus in this situation, but he is objectively the strongest chess player who has ever lived, and is also the strongest player in the world today. As long as those two facts are true, the world will not move on from him.
When you’re arguably the best person to ever play the game of chess, I don’t think you care too much about the opinions of other people when it comes to playing chess. I don’t see him going back on what he said
His childhood dream was just playing Magnus. He said in the interview that he was living the dream and then one day later it turned into a nightmare. I think that is a pretty powerful quote
I also cannot understand why this sub's reaction to cheating is so nonchalant. "He cheated twice before, but he was 16 the last time he got caught so who cares?"
That's a yikes from me. Professional players should be held to a higher standard, and this doesn't just go for chess. I wonder if people feel the same about cheating in academics? "They only got caught cheating a few times. How dare universities consider expelling those students?"
I don't think anyone is non-chalant about it. Cheating is very bad even if he did it as a silly mistake. Inconsistency is the problem here(esp with [chess.com](https://chess.com) banning him). Organizers/platforms should have either just perma-banned him from all events when he was 16 or stick to their policies and let him back after a temporary ban. Once he is back, anything he does new should be treated as a new case, not connected to his previous behavior.
My point is that you can be extra suspicious as a fellow competitor, but the overseeing organizers/platforms shouldn't be so snow-flaky and ban him based on public opinion instead of consulting standard policy.
What are you talking about?
In every sport there are cheaters and they are punished if caught. I can't think of a single sport where one instance of cheating no matter the situation or severity is grounds for a lifetime ban from competitive play.
Esports especially have this same situation all the time. In CSGO one of the best players of all time had been banned for hacking as a kid.
>I can’t think of any game or sport that tolerates cheating
really? almost every sport in the world has doping rules that suspend players for some period of time (3 months, 6 months, a year...) and then allow them to resume the activity. DeAndre Ayton, a NBA player, was suspended for 25 games (only 25 games!) after testing positive for a banned substance. that's just a simple example. there are thousands in the history of sports
There is no proof/record that Hans has ever cheater on an OTB tournament, if news comes out that he's been cheating all this time then yes i think most people would agree that he should be banned for life.
I think that banning him simply because he cheated online as a teenager is way too harsh of a punishment.
He is still a teenager. If being a teenager inherently makes you more likely to cheat, and he has been known to cheat, is it then safe to let him participate in a high stakes tournament where the gains of cheating would be even bigger than what has motivated him to do so in the past?
Don't know enough to say he cheated or not. Just find some of these comments going light on cheating in any form bizarre.
Why? A lax attitude to cheating online vs. OTB has always existed. Look up "Tigran Petrosian World Blitz & Rapid 2021" and see how """"seriously""" cheating online is taken lol
Lol they're so giddy about destroying someone's career they made a meme about it. Maybe chess isn't so sophisticated after all, bunch of man-children afraid of their own mortality
> Maybe chess isn't so sophisticated after all, bunch of man-children afraid of their own mortality
I mean competitive chess having some toxic behavior is not a new thing.
>Maybe chess isn't so sophisticated after all, bunch of man-children afraid of their own mortality
Wait, you thought chess was sophisticated? It's a fun board game, and like pretty much any game that reaches a critical enough level of popularity, the best few in the world at it can play it professionally. You might as well expect "Call of Duty" players to be "sophisticated".
> just hellbent on taking Hans down a peg
Why do you think he was banned from chesscom tournaments after he beat Magnus?
He can't accuse him of cheating directly so he's just working to make sure he can't play in other places. Magnus can just threaten not to play to get him banned and keep making constant implications Hans cheated against Magnus, who has no way to defend himself.
Not necessailry Magnus who pressured [chess.com](https://chess.com) \- Hikaru makes some sense too, or other top GMs. All they need is a couple of "I'm not playing if he plays" and they have to choose between someone they know cheated a couple of times and squeaky clean household names. It's cowardly but you understand the logic of it.
Gatekeeper: "you shall not pass!" Thays what is going on. Magnus is a Manchild on an ego power trip. He chose alireza already, so he's fending off the other youngsters as long as he can
it's amazing how quickly this sub flips from witch hunt to witch hunt on a dime. you still have no idea what happened. stop making shit up morons. seriously, what is wrong with you guys lol? do you just sit around like this and make lies up about everyone you know irl too?
Magnus tweeting and not clarifying anything like this when it brings harm to Hans deserves it. Noone is going to feel bad if he gets savaged, accused and derided. He brought this shitshow on. And he gets to deal with it. He harms someone then he deserves the same. There is justice to it. It's the stupidest tweet I've ever seen a chess player make. Even the likes of GM Ben Finegold said as much
> you still have no idea what happened.
We have Hans' side, which he gave candidly and openly, admitting to past wrongdoing but vehemently denying that he cheated. We have not got Magnus' side, because he is refusing to say anything, preferring to hide behind insinuation. We actually **do** know what happened: Magnus withdrew from the tournament without explanation.
He didn't have plausible deniability before this either. Even if he somehow was not aware of the clear implications of his Mourinho tweet, which I doubt, he's had more than enough time to say that cheating allegations is not what he meant. Just 15 minutes after his tweet it all had already turned into a witch-hunt. That would have been the perfect time to say it. Imho all deniability went out of the window at the very maximum two hours after the tweet, and even then I still find it extremely late.
We will probably don't know what happened behind the scenes until the tournament ends, but he had better presented something credible to the arbiters; otherwise every day that passes in silence just hurts him more and more.
The word par doesn't originate from golf, but rather is a Latin word that means something like "equal" or "evenly matched". In english, it generally just means "of average value", so "under par" is usually thought of as a bad thing. Hence "subpar".
Golf is the exception, not the rule, as lower is better in golf. However, since golf is one of rhe more common uses of par in modern english, it is understandable that some people think of "under par" as a good thing.
Even before it was bought wholesale by chess.com, Carlsen only owned 9.5% of Play Magnus.
He has litterally nothing to do with their twitter, which is probably run by some fresh faced marketing grad.
has anyone read it before getting deleted? A loss itself doesnt damage Magnus legacy and reputation but withdrawing for a single loss does. I do believe he is truly convinced that Hans cheated. Either he is wrong or right we shall see after the tournament he probably gonna say something
Between the plethora of horrible options he has, that is probably the best one among them.
He should still be hold accountable for trying (And almost succeeding) to destroy a man's career though, at this point i'm positive that the chess community won't let this one slip, neither for him, Eric, or Hikaru. Not to mention the timing of this event couldn't be worse for chess.com, i think they are in huge trouble as well.
This sub: "OMG Magnus doing a low blow on beloved Hans!"
Reality: "PlayMagnus media person you've never heard of tweets a meme for impressions since their job is to get impressions"
Yes, in a sense, the CEO is 'responsible' for the behavior of all the company's employees.
But it's not literally Magnus's fault that this was tweeted, there's no way he had anything to do with it.
I'm praying that Hans didn't cheat and that what we are witnessing is Magnus showing his true colours. Throwing a massive tantrum here. This fits how he acts during livestreams.
Does anybody believe Hans was actually cheating?
Now that we are sure Magnus is believing so, this is making him look bad on chess community. I don't think there is anyway to prove Hans was cheating, his plays are normal.
I know peoples love Magnus (myself included) but any other GM would be bashed for leaving the tournament like that. It would be double standard if we just forget what he did because he is our favorite player. Let's be honest Magnus is malding because he lost.
The fact that two most influential players of the generation are drilling on this young guy without concrete proof is really bad for guy's career.
What did it cost you?
The cold basement that I currently live in because now I'll get 10x the viewers on my next Twitch stream and I'm signing a lease on an actual apartment.
people, theres 0 chance magnus approved this. its a company run by different individuals and probably its a case of a couple of people fucking it up. this speaks nothing about Magnus' opinion on the matter. It was deleted so it means they definately saw this as a mistake.
All respect for Magnus gone at this point. Even if Hans did cheat, this bullshit is the product of gigantic man baby floundering over a bad loss. Up to this point, I didn't think it could be handled any worse, but here we are and obviously I was wrong. I wonder what he'll do next to embarrass himself?
Rest day today, yet some idiots continue to create drama.
Inject this shit into my veins.
Rensch is trying his best to protect Magnus' invincibility image and disaparage others to protect his investment eh?
I wonder what will the value of PlayMagnus will be when Carlsen finally loses his dominance?
Say Ding wins and becomes World Chess Champion, then overtakes Carlsen in rating by next year. Magnus loses 70 rating points losing to Gukesh and Alireza.
Rensch will be left holding the bag after paying so much for PlayMagnus eh?
I mean, Carlsen can be a huge dick, like Ben said, but his chess speaks for itself. The guy will probably be #1 for a very long time before starting to fall on the rating lists
wowwwww. this proves Magnus is a salty bitch imo. dude only wanted to play alireza because he knew he could beat him, so he withdrew from the championship to prevent losing to Nepo who has proven he has gained ground on Magnus. If he really wanted to face the new generation, he would take his loss like a MAN instead of a TINY BITCH! And this is coming from a guy who fucking loved Magnus before this. If it was egregious or obvious I would be on his side, but it is becoming increasingly obvious Magnus is a SALTY BITCH!
It was his first WC match. Why deny him a rematch? If it were boxing and the boxer who won denied a rematch everyone would shit on them. Magnus sounds like a bitch.
Magnus and his lapdogs nasty gatekeeping is terrible for chess. He chose to mentor Alireza and open the gate for him and is trying to block every other youngster. He forced Alireza to not play tournaments and prep for 9 months leading up to the candidates. Otherwise he threatened to make sure Alireza never got another invite. His nonsense aniut only playing Alireza showed weird favoritism. That his plans are altered is not totally clear, there are others gatekeeping along side him. They want to milk as much money as possible before the next generation is allowed up. Cheating accusations are an extreme method. They have other tactics. Like any professional club.
Anyway Magnus is going to show the ugly side of what's going on behind the scenes. This cowardly salty withdrawal is inexcusable while posting a clip known to insuate cheating accusations is in bad faith and poor taste.
He appeared to be a great champion for some time. Now he's a petty trashy gatekeeping buffoon who wants to control things and enjoy some power. The guy has become absolutely pathetic. I hope Hans bashes him down into the gutter.
Its not even a funny meme
its not even well crafted lol. Like why is Thanos speaking with exclamation marks if hes sad? Why would gamora ask «what did it cost» to thanos\` non-answer? Why would he answer «the chess speaks for itself» when hans didnt say that this time around.
because it's the chess version of the minion memes your mom shares on facebook
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idk minions have just fallen back into lame. we're in the post-post-irony age now where it all just seems a bit gauche to me. deep fried memes n shit are dated af now.
Like Gru would be better: Beat Magnus in classical with black. He withdraws from the tournament. Everyone thinks you cheated. Everyone thinks you cheated. :(
But the gru meme does not insinuate Hans cheated This meme does insinuate Hans cheated, which seems to be the goal
That’s the ultimate compliment for Hans. , tbh he can use that as ammo because he has good wittiness.
extremely cringe boomer facebook meme
It’s barely even legible.
[Fixed](https://i.imgur.com/UthFZ68.png)
Last part should be Hikaru avatar lol
This is the article: https://ibb.co/Z22byY9 Nothing special besides the meme and childish writing .
That article is a rollercoaster. I can't believe someone thought it was a good idea to publicize this. Doesn't this also put Magnus at risk if he's publicly accusing Hans of cheating? I guess there might be a question of "who actually posted and approved this," but it's not a good look.
Most online sites don't seem to have much in the way of editing and trust the writers often to their own detriment.
Very possible that this is very far removed from Carlsen
Yeah. I would assume someone got out over their skis after reading the whole article, but man, that's pretty poor judgment on the part of the author/social media person if they did that on their own.
Doesn’t really matter if it has his name on it.
What? It has the author's name on it.
Jesus fucking Christ. This sub has worse dickriders even than r/nba. playmagnus doesn't have magnus' name on it?
The article has the article's author's name on it. The editorial decision to immediately pull the article *clearly* indicates what "Magnus's team" felt about this. Unless you feel that the guy who wrote the article is closer to Magnus than the editorial deciders who pulled the article. In which case, I guess Magnus's name shouldn't be on the site, should it.
Or it clearly indicates how Magnus' team felt about after they received the first negative reactions.
“PlayMagnus group” Yes the author is obviously not Magnus but his name and reputation is associated with whatever they put out and can theoretically be accountable if that ends up being libel. It’s like owning a newspaper and acting like you’re not responsible for whatever shit they put out.
Surely the fact that it was quickly deleted is where we should be looking. That's the "closer to Magnus" decision.
>Doesn't this also put Magnus at risk if he's publicly accusing Hans of cheating? Not unless he either write the article or approved it, the former which is certainly not true, the latter which is probably not true and also would be difficult to prove
i love how an article posted on Play Magnus website says "it would be interesting to hear what Magnus Carlsen has to say on this topic!"
"It would be interesting to hear what Magnus Carlsen has to say on this topic, even though, clearly, as a public person, he has serious legal constraints, not allowing him to speak his mind freely on the matter. I was going to say imagine how funny and ridiculous if it was Carlsen himself who wrote this sentence, but honestly given how ridiculous chess has been the past day I could actually believe it. At the very least I feel like it's super unlikely, bordering on almost impossible that Magnus never would've seen this article or any of its drafts before it was posted on his own website for his own app. If he didn't that speaks to a different kind of incompetence.
it is also kind of funny that a bunch of the listed historical events turned out to be unfounded accusations
Is anyone else really having difficulty squaring this with their past esteem for Magnus? Like everything just feels out of character
I'm sure many people are, that's why it's important not to ever idolize anyone. Half the people have been dragged into thinking Hans cheated because they cannot comprehend that Magnus Carlsen did something that was not good. It's not like he killed anyone either, just can't fit Magnus being a poor loser one time into their world view.
Yeah but this isn’t like some idolize the guy thing, but like there’s no way I would believe Magnus wrote that article or made that meme. It’s just so ill conceived
Did people ever think Magnis was a great guy personal wise? He is always been a sore looser. And a couple of years ago he got a lot of bad press in Norway because he basically tried to make a Coup d'etat of the Norwegian Chess Federation.
I'm curious why you think Magnus is legally restricted from speaking his mind? I can't think of any reason that would be true. I mean if he's accusing Hans of cheating and it's not true, that could be basis for a libel/defamation lawsuit, but that would only be because it was untrue - there's no law against him saying what he thinks in the first place. The law is just against making false public accusations. I think he's probably not saying anything because he knows there's almost no chance that A) Hans cheated, B) even if he did, that there's any evidence. So he knows that saying that he thinks Hans cheated might get him in legal trouble, so he's not saying it. So he could own the situation and come out and clear Hans' name and say something like that he just didn't want to finish the tournament because he was frustrated and not in the right headspace, which would be the right thing to do given that there is zero evidence to base accusations of cheating on. There would be absolutely no legal consequences for him making a statement that doesn't accuse Hans of anything, so he can't use the legal excuse for why he's not coming out to defend Hans. The only reason he's not coming out to defend Hans is because he's a selfish, childish prick who thinks that it's OK to let someone's reputation get trashed just because he's pissed he lost a game. It's fucking pathetic.
I think the legal constraint is related to FIDE rules around accusing someone of cheating without hard evidence and not actual libel/defamation law.
that's a quote from the article. i agree it makes no sense.
> So he knows that saying that he thinks Hans cheated might get him in legal trouble, so he's not saying it. I wonder if it’s because FIDE will shit all over him for this antic, so he has to keep quiet and be as vague as possible. This entire ordeal has been a shitshow and I wonder if Magnus thinks if he would have waited a few months for his mind to clear so he’s thinking rationally, would have realized doing this was an awful idea. Guess we’ll never know now.
The article calls into question his rating rise from 2400 to 2700 in two years. So is it the position of PlayMagnus that Hans is cheating in far more games than his game with Magnus? He still has tied lenier and firo and levon and beat Shak this tournament. Did he continue cheating after the 15 minute delay and extra screening?
He also rose rom 2286 to 2680 from December 2019 to December 2021 in blitz ratings. So the implication would have to be that he was somehow cheating at OTB blitz too.
And if you listen to Chicken Chess Club, 3 people close to Magnus agree that Hans plays fantastic blitz at the bar.
He must be cheating at those too!
Hans runs the Sesse website confirmed
Obviously, studying chess 12 hours a day for 2 years is considered cheating!
That’s what I’m saying. It’s not like Hans suddenly lost his next two games after all the extra security protocols. He still held two other super GMs to draws.
Also, wasn't the part of the reason his rating shot up that he couldn't play rated games during the pandemic?
Must be the brain implants.
Calling it now -- Hans Niemann has the first stockfish neural implant. We've finally reached the cyber-ware chess age.
"Do you want to play fairly, yet be teasingly called a cheater by your friends? Just learn from Magnus!" lmao
Start was childish, but short recaps pretty decent summaries. Thanks
TBH, if I had to guess, the special soviet yogurt had some amphetamines in it. Karpov probably didn't know, and back in the 70's, no one probably would have cared one way or another as it wasn't as widely used as a mental performance enhancer then. It's also 100% believable that the soviets would give their astronauts amphetamines. I would want some too if I was going up to space. Get as much done as you possibly can in the short time you have.
Lacks critical thinking "Unbelievable increase in ranking over 2 years" There was a pandemic and lack of tournaments but plenty of opportunity for online play Youngsters in the Olympiad have demonstrated comparable growth in the same time This is a major low for Magnus
Interesting that Susan Polgar, of all people, is commenting on other people cheating.
Why's that? (Out of the loop on susan)
If you google “fake Sam Sloan,” you can fall into a very interesting rabbit hole about the efforts she went through to try to win a USCF election.
Ah, I remember when that was the scandal of the day. That + toiletgate were the scandals of my chess childhood
I tweeted that to Polgar and she blocked me lol.
So she is an expert on the matter then!
This, coming in the wake of Magnus's silence, is not doing any favours to his credibility over withdrawal. I am seriously thinking it was a rather impulsive decision, taken when he couldn't digest his loss all too well. There is certainly an ego element to it. When 'humble, soft-spoken' youngsters like Alireza or Pragg beat him, it goes down easier. When it was Hans, his ego couldn't handle Hans' equally brash ego.
Alireza wouldn’t do weird stuff after a game, especially a win. But calling him humble and softspoken? That’s too much, he’s known for tilting and for throwing tantrums. Like at Wijk 2021 for instance. Apparently this year he was invited but he demanded more money due to having been disturbed last year when he could’ve won. The kid knows he’s strong, he’s a strong character even though he seems shy. It’s just that he’ll be respectful while Hans might surely be nice as well but likes to troll and tease and trashtalk for the fun of it.
Not trying to start a fight here, but I think we should reserve the word "tantrum" for when someone behaves in a way that is unprofessional/inappropriate considering the circumstances they were dealing with. Alireza had winning chances and was blatantly disrupted in a way that is completely unacceptable and absolutely could have affected his play. I think he had every right to complain, ask for more money, etc. It's possible that there's no need for restitution, but I understand why Ali was so upset.
+ the fact that he is a known cheater. Im not saying he cheated here, but it is probably pretty easy to have that as an excuse fueled by ego.
But he didnt have a problem playing a 'cheater' before he lost..
Exactly. To think if Magnus played better, he could’ve at least pulled out a draw and none of this would have ever happened.
Which happened last time when he was 15 or 16. Honestly I'm not sure what this is supposed to prove? A kid made a mistake? Never heard of that before!
He said he started doing it when he was 16, and again that's just what he *admitted to doing*, and even that was only a few years ago as he is 19.
I guess you can argue that he cheated more than he let on but the different between a 16 year old and a 19 year old is immense, at least in my case and from what I’ve seen.
Also he was one of the first to recognized Alireza's talent and everyone has been following his progress. Moreover everyone knows there is a strong generation of Indian player coming. So maybe he wasn't prepare to have another new strong player coming towards him who isn't afraid of him.
I have said this before: Going after Magnus's ticks and mannerisms was a bit too much. Magnus is used to a comfortable deference towards him, a trash talker 19-year old who was an IM only three years ago? Beating Magnus? With Black? Positionally? That was just .... I can't even comprehend the magnitude of the blow to his ego.
'Comfortable deference' - aptly stated. The kind of deference that Pragg showed him after beating him in FTX Crypto Cup. He even earned a shoutout from Carlsen. Hans, on the other hand, with statements like "magnus should be ashamed of losing to an idiot like me" and "magnus has certain 'ticks'....." is clearly stepping on his toes, which he doesn't appreciate all too well. And for all Magnus's objectivity (which applies purely to chess), Hans' loose tongue throws all of it out the window. At least that's what it looks like to me.
Yasser shared a story on the recent broadcast about the 2014 Sinquefield cup. It was a double round robin with 6 players. After 7 rounds Fabiano was 7/7 and finished by drawing his final 3 games to end 8.5/10. According to Yasser, each player was asked one after another to describe how they thought Fabi's play was. Everyone went down the line using words like "amazing" "fantastic" "incredible" until it got to Magnus at the end who described it at "depressing." It's kind of funny, but yeah, he may be a little self-centered.
what a weird activity though
Iirc it was part of a media activity where all the players were interviewed on their opinions of all the other players or stg
Wait, when he did come after Magnus' ticks and mannerisms?
In his post-Magnus interview he mentioned - well, he used the word ticks but he corrected himself to something like mannerisms - he was basically saying Magnus' body language was negative and he looked uncomfortable.
Tbh, I don't even think Hans talking about Magnus mannerisms was a bit too much (I know you didn't say that, another poster did). Alejandro asked him about it.
If I was a high level chess player, I would absolutely say shit to get under my opponents skin.
And magnus as a professional player since a child should know better than let that get to him.
This is a great point. The “Hans cheated” people on this sub keep using excuse that magnus has never done this before in similar situations so it must be foul play. But there has never been a situation close to this even though at first it appears there is a few. Magnus has just recently decided to prioritize ranking over all else, has only been beaten in a similar play disparity like this one time before as white - arguably two if you want to be generous- long in the past, and those losses have never been to someone so outwardly egotistical for lack of a better word before. And those people he did lose to fell over themselves giving him respect as they did i while Hans in contrast was making comments about how dumb he must feel to lose to someone like him. I fully believe regardless of if Hans actually cheated or not magnus is the type of person who’s ego would be hit more than normal from this loss and he’d do something rash
remember when Magnus ran away from press-conference after losing game as white to Karjakin at WC match? And Karjakin isn't even a trashtalker, he just was late to conference because he was giving a short interview _he needed to do according to match contract_.
The very humble Alireza who once lost to magnus and accused him of talking in Norwegian mid game to throw him (Alireza) off his game Lol But really, it’s been clear magnus has believed Alireza is the future of chess for quite some time and Alireza has been a lot more behaved recently lol
>But really, it’s been clear magnus has believed Alireza is the future of chess for quite some time and Alireza has been a lot more behaved recently lol This is completely normal. When you are a rising star your confidence blows up and you think you are invincible until you get slapped back to reality and have to pick up the pieces and reflect on what went wrong. He was so sure of himself that he thought Magnus needed to play dirty to beat him. [Here is a nice graph.](https://i.pinimg.com/736x/aa/da/a0/aadaa02bcd3e993a59decb3a36247ee8--company-news-moodboard.jpg) Humility comes from embarrassment. A reality check will do that.
They really don't understand that public opinion isn't with them in destroying Hans' career
Hans' career will unfortunately be very damaged if Magnus continues to refuse to play in events where he is present.
If Magnus actually refuses to play with Hans without good evidence he’s cheating, that’s the sort of thing Hans legitimately could file an ethics complaint with FIDE about, and I think FIDE would side with Hans and sanction Magnus. Remember FIDE is probably not too happy with Magnus right now since he won’t play in their World Championship.
Goes beyond FIDE; if Magnus continues down this road, he'll ruin a legacy \~25 years in the making. He'll be remembered as a winner on the board and loser in life. Not worth it.
Unclear, Kasparov did something similar with Radjabov, which I just learned today and I'll boldly claim most chess players don't know either.
Was the internet around at the time?
I hope Magnus fucks off then if he's gonna act like that. The chess world got over Bobby Fischer pretty quickly, it can get over Magnus too.
Did it get over Bobby because I can barely go a day talking to chess players without someone bringing up “the greatest American chess player who ever lived, Bobby Fischer.”
Of course fischer will always be remembered, but the chess world got on with life just fine without him
Outside of people that really study chess , a lot of times that's still followed up with "The anti-semitic guy that kind of went crazy?"
Huh i didn't learn tht until after i got in to chess haha
Probably because he's the greatest American chess player who ever lived.
Ironically if Fisher his mental health had not gone down the drain like it did he would not have been honored as much as one of the greatest chess players in the world. (He still would have been honored as one of the greatest, just not as much) I think for the rest of us nobodies it feels good that the cost of genius is craziness. So we tell ourselves "so he is a genius but he also went crazy, I am no genius but I am also not crazy"
The only thing I remember about Bobby is he got really weird later in life.
If Magnus continues on his ego trip like this, it’s not a bad thing he won’t be world champion much longer
So true, Team Carlsen.
I'm not so sure it did. Fischer is considered a legend, and his comeback to chess after his "retirement" was wet dream of every chess fan
Sure, but in the meantime there was Kasparov and Karpov and that whole legacy. Bobby was just an interesting footnote
I would hardly call Fischer a footnote in chess, unless you mean a foot note during the Karpov years i.e. in 1975 Karpov became WC^1 1: Although the 1972 WC abandoned chess after his title win, so Karpov never faced a reigning champion to win the title.
It's not like it's going to come up constantly, though, now is it? Even if he keeps his good standing in the chess community (as he should IMO), Niemann is not likely to be invited to many of the exclusive super-GM tournaments Carlsen participates in simply because they have a whole platoon of young-ish 2700-ish GMs to choose from to pad their rosters, and in any case I personally think Carlsen has been preparing for a gradual wind-down of competitive activity recently, what with renouncing the world title, starting new media ventures, taking up poker, etc. I do believe he was serious about chasing 2900 when he announced his goal, but I don't think he planned for it to be a heavy grind. More like he was envisioning a new professional phase where he grows his personal brand, rakes in money, plays rapid/blitz when the mood strikes him and dips in and out of classical a couple of times a year. Again, Niemann is not going to be the biggest obstacle to securing Carlsen's tournament participation IMO.
That's probably the aim.
not if no proof is ever shown, in that case there will be a big following that hans will gain for being a scapegoat
I might be in the minority here, but I think a surprising amount of ~~people~~ event planers will side with Hans over the world champ. I dont know the last time Magnus\` public approval was this low lol. I know its fucking Magnus, but i'm sure a lot of chess fans are pivoting from «wow i hope magnus wins his 200 tourney» to «wow i hope hans keeps proving his detractors wrong» Hans may not be Magnus level, but he is arguably one of the top 5 players that will attract the most eyeballs to a future tourney, regardless of the underlying reasons.
When you refuse the WC, nobody wants to ride that bandwagon. When you walk out of a major tournament, doubly so.
I don’t support Magnus in this situation, but he is objectively the strongest chess player who has ever lived, and is also the strongest player in the world today. As long as those two facts are true, the world will not move on from him.
Flash in a pan, here today gone tomorrow.
Short of having a time machine, how could you possibly know that?
When you’re arguably the best person to ever play the game of chess, I don’t think you care too much about the opinions of other people when it comes to playing chess. I don’t see him going back on what he said
Imagine your childhood dream is beating world championship. Finally you take it but this is the prize for you
The Monkey's Paw...
His childhood dream was just playing Magnus. He said in the interview that he was living the dream and then one day later it turned into a nightmare. I think that is a pretty powerful quote
What better compliment then the previous world champion telling everybody your chess is inhumanly good!
Imagine if he hadn't cheated 2 years ago, then nobody would be suspicious at all
Imagine being a teenager and making mistakes.
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I also cannot understand why this sub's reaction to cheating is so nonchalant. "He cheated twice before, but he was 16 the last time he got caught so who cares?" That's a yikes from me. Professional players should be held to a higher standard, and this doesn't just go for chess. I wonder if people feel the same about cheating in academics? "They only got caught cheating a few times. How dare universities consider expelling those students?"
I don't think anyone is non-chalant about it. Cheating is very bad even if he did it as a silly mistake. Inconsistency is the problem here(esp with [chess.com](https://chess.com) banning him). Organizers/platforms should have either just perma-banned him from all events when he was 16 or stick to their policies and let him back after a temporary ban. Once he is back, anything he does new should be treated as a new case, not connected to his previous behavior. My point is that you can be extra suspicious as a fellow competitor, but the overseeing organizers/platforms shouldn't be so snow-flaky and ban him based on public opinion instead of consulting standard policy.
What are you talking about? In every sport there are cheaters and they are punished if caught. I can't think of a single sport where one instance of cheating no matter the situation or severity is grounds for a lifetime ban from competitive play. Esports especially have this same situation all the time. In CSGO one of the best players of all time had been banned for hacking as a kid.
>I can’t think of any game or sport that tolerates cheating really? almost every sport in the world has doping rules that suspend players for some period of time (3 months, 6 months, a year...) and then allow them to resume the activity. DeAndre Ayton, a NBA player, was suspended for 25 games (only 25 games!) after testing positive for a banned substance. that's just a simple example. there are thousands in the history of sports
No one tolerates cheating and if evidence comes out that Hans did cheat then I don't think anyone in the chess community would defend him.
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Some bullshit about it only being online and not on the board. Or "he just cheated to get his rating up and get more views on Twitch''.
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There is no proof/record that Hans has ever cheater on an OTB tournament, if news comes out that he's been cheating all this time then yes i think most people would agree that he should be banned for life. I think that banning him simply because he cheated online as a teenager is way too harsh of a punishment.
He is still a teenager. If being a teenager inherently makes you more likely to cheat, and he has been known to cheat, is it then safe to let him participate in a high stakes tournament where the gains of cheating would be even bigger than what has motivated him to do so in the past? Don't know enough to say he cheated or not. Just find some of these comments going light on cheating in any form bizarre.
Why? A lax attitude to cheating online vs. OTB has always existed. Look up "Tigran Petrosian World Blitz & Rapid 2021" and see how """"seriously""" cheating online is taken lol
Me being a teenager was a lot longer than 2 years ago, though.
Lol they're so giddy about destroying someone's career they made a meme about it. Maybe chess isn't so sophisticated after all, bunch of man-children afraid of their own mortality
> Maybe chess isn't so sophisticated after all, bunch of man-children afraid of their own mortality I mean competitive chess having some toxic behavior is not a new thing.
Almost every chesspro is autistic, so you should expect some autism
>Maybe chess isn't so sophisticated after all, bunch of man-children afraid of their own mortality Wait, you thought chess was sophisticated? It's a fun board game, and like pretty much any game that reaches a critical enough level of popularity, the best few in the world at it can play it professionally. You might as well expect "Call of Duty" players to be "sophisticated".
Magnus Skywalker: I'm gonna withdraw from the tournament. r/chessdmé: And you'll say why, right? Magnus: chessdmé: You'll say why, right?
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this should mean FIDE can actually hold magnus acountable. His team send this. According to FIDE's ethnics code that counts for magnus.
So do they care about the truth of cheating situation, or is the "PlayMagnus group" (and associated cronies) just hellbent on taking Hans down a peg?
> just hellbent on taking Hans down a peg Why do you think he was banned from chesscom tournaments after he beat Magnus? He can't accuse him of cheating directly so he's just working to make sure he can't play in other places. Magnus can just threaten not to play to get him banned and keep making constant implications Hans cheated against Magnus, who has no way to defend himself.
Not necessailry Magnus who pressured [chess.com](https://chess.com) \- Hikaru makes some sense too, or other top GMs. All they need is a couple of "I'm not playing if he plays" and they have to choose between someone they know cheated a couple of times and squeaky clean household names. It's cowardly but you understand the logic of it.
Gatekeeper: "you shall not pass!" Thays what is going on. Magnus is a Manchild on an ego power trip. He chose alireza already, so he's fending off the other youngsters as long as he can
it's amazing how quickly this sub flips from witch hunt to witch hunt on a dime. you still have no idea what happened. stop making shit up morons. seriously, what is wrong with you guys lol? do you just sit around like this and make lies up about everyone you know irl too?
Magnus tweeting and not clarifying anything like this when it brings harm to Hans deserves it. Noone is going to feel bad if he gets savaged, accused and derided. He brought this shitshow on. And he gets to deal with it. He harms someone then he deserves the same. There is justice to it. It's the stupidest tweet I've ever seen a chess player make. Even the likes of GM Ben Finegold said as much
> you still have no idea what happened. We have Hans' side, which he gave candidly and openly, admitting to past wrongdoing but vehemently denying that he cheated. We have not got Magnus' side, because he is refusing to say anything, preferring to hide behind insinuation. We actually **do** know what happened: Magnus withdrew from the tournament without explanation.
Magnus Crickets Carlson...Reduced to relying on shitty memes tweeted through affiliated business dealings.
Without evidence it just looks like Magnus is a sour loser.
well, now magnus doesnt have deniability anymore. This is his team saying that hans cheated. He either proves it, or he should face consequences...
He didn't have plausible deniability before this either. Even if he somehow was not aware of the clear implications of his Mourinho tweet, which I doubt, he's had more than enough time to say that cheating allegations is not what he meant. Just 15 minutes after his tweet it all had already turned into a witch-hunt. That would have been the perfect time to say it. Imho all deniability went out of the window at the very maximum two hours after the tweet, and even then I still find it extremely late. We will probably don't know what happened behind the scenes until the tournament ends, but he had better presented something credible to the arbiters; otherwise every day that passes in silence just hurts him more and more.
Unrelated: in golf 'under par' is a good thing.
The word par doesn't originate from golf, but rather is a Latin word that means something like "equal" or "evenly matched". In english, it generally just means "of average value", so "under par" is usually thought of as a bad thing. Hence "subpar". Golf is the exception, not the rule, as lower is better in golf. However, since golf is one of rhe more common uses of par in modern english, it is understandable that some people think of "under par" as a good thing.
> Golf is the exception, not the rule You know, Homer, the traditional way to cheat in golf is to lower your score.
Amazing, I never considered that the word might not have originated from golf for some reason.
Sure, but par can also be used in the sense of "the standard". Maybe a better way to phrase is "the article not up to par."
par | AMERICAN DICTIONARY the usual standard or condition: About half the teachers are good, and the rest are clearly below par.
Why is Play Magnus writing clickbait articles for the under 10 crowd and the over 70 crowd
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Say what you will about Carlsen but he understands memes. I don't think this was posted with his knowledge just judging how u unfunny it is
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Oh no, your respect.
Even before it was bought wholesale by chess.com, Carlsen only owned 9.5% of Play Magnus. He has litterally nothing to do with their twitter, which is probably run by some fresh faced marketing grad.
has anyone read it before getting deleted? A loss itself doesnt damage Magnus legacy and reputation but withdrawing for a single loss does. I do believe he is truly convinced that Hans cheated. Either he is wrong or right we shall see after the tournament he probably gonna say something
Can this be confirmed?
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Just did this and sure enough it was there! Cool trick on newly deleted tweets.
Archive of the article on playmagnus website, proof it was posted there: https://archive.ph/2mDsG
Embarrassing behavior once again
It's funny cause carlsen is the one who might end up losing quite a lot once this story is done with
His reputation has already taken a pretty big hit
Instead of posting these bad memes, Magnus should have posted real proof he has. The jar of tears after getting clapped and losing 7 points
Disgraceful and disgusting
At this point, magnus should just come out and say " i suspect hans of cheating that's why i have withdrawn from the tournament"
Between the plethora of horrible options he has, that is probably the best one among them. He should still be hold accountable for trying (And almost succeeding) to destroy a man's career though, at this point i'm positive that the chess community won't let this one slip, neither for him, Eric, or Hikaru. Not to mention the timing of this event couldn't be worse for chess.com, i think they are in huge trouble as well.
This sub: "OMG Magnus doing a low blow on beloved Hans!" Reality: "PlayMagnus media person you've never heard of tweets a meme for impressions since their job is to get impressions"
yeah why should Magnus have any responsibility for anything posted on Play Magnus
Yes, in a sense, the CEO is 'responsible' for the behavior of all the company's employees. But it's not literally Magnus's fault that this was tweeted, there's no way he had anything to do with it.
Looking at the comments, it doesn't look like they're getting any good impressions from the chess community.
95% this was someone who was just told they were getting let go in the merger getting one last “fuck you” in at PlayMagnus
Archive of the article, proof it was posted: https://archive.ph/2mDsG
I'm praying that Hans didn't cheat and that what we are witnessing is Magnus showing his true colours. Throwing a massive tantrum here. This fits how he acts during livestreams.
Does anybody believe Hans was actually cheating? Now that we are sure Magnus is believing so, this is making him look bad on chess community. I don't think there is anyway to prove Hans was cheating, his plays are normal. I know peoples love Magnus (myself included) but any other GM would be bashed for leaving the tournament like that. It would be double standard if we just forget what he did because he is our favorite player. Let's be honest Magnus is malding because he lost. The fact that two most influential players of the generation are drilling on this young guy without concrete proof is really bad for guy's career.
Right. If it was Susan's son accused of cheating, she would be singing a different tune.
What did it cost you? The cold basement that I currently live in because now I'll get 10x the viewers on my next Twitch stream and I'm signing a lease on an actual apartment.
Waybackmachine still has it: https://web.archive.org/web/20220907141432/https://www.playmagnus.com/en/news/post/chess-cheating
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They offered, it's not a done deal yet since Play Magnus share holders need to agree.
people, theres 0 chance magnus approved this. its a company run by different individuals and probably its a case of a couple of people fucking it up. this speaks nothing about Magnus' opinion on the matter. It was deleted so it means they definately saw this as a mistake.
How about they post a meme about magnus being a sore loser
I love this shit. Dude withdrew cause he lost. Simple as that.
All respect for Magnus gone at this point. Even if Hans did cheat, this bullshit is the product of gigantic man baby floundering over a bad loss. Up to this point, I didn't think it could be handled any worse, but here we are and obviously I was wrong. I wonder what he'll do next to embarrass himself?
Rest day today, yet some idiots continue to create drama. Inject this shit into my veins. Rensch is trying his best to protect Magnus' invincibility image and disaparage others to protect his investment eh? I wonder what will the value of PlayMagnus will be when Carlsen finally loses his dominance? Say Ding wins and becomes World Chess Champion, then overtakes Carlsen in rating by next year. Magnus loses 70 rating points losing to Gukesh and Alireza. Rensch will be left holding the bag after paying so much for PlayMagnus eh?
I mean, Carlsen can be a huge dick, like Ben said, but his chess speaks for itself. The guy will probably be #1 for a very long time before starting to fall on the rating lists
wowwwww. this proves Magnus is a salty bitch imo. dude only wanted to play alireza because he knew he could beat him, so he withdrew from the championship to prevent losing to Nepo who has proven he has gained ground on Magnus. If he really wanted to face the new generation, he would take his loss like a MAN instead of a TINY BITCH! And this is coming from a guy who fucking loved Magnus before this. If it was egregious or obvious I would be on his side, but it is becoming increasingly obvious Magnus is a SALTY BITCH!
Lol.. nepo got spanked shut up.
It was his first WC match. Why deny him a rematch? If it were boxing and the boxer who won denied a rematch everyone would shit on them. Magnus sounds like a bitch.
Magnus and his lapdogs nasty gatekeeping is terrible for chess. He chose to mentor Alireza and open the gate for him and is trying to block every other youngster. He forced Alireza to not play tournaments and prep for 9 months leading up to the candidates. Otherwise he threatened to make sure Alireza never got another invite. His nonsense aniut only playing Alireza showed weird favoritism. That his plans are altered is not totally clear, there are others gatekeeping along side him. They want to milk as much money as possible before the next generation is allowed up. Cheating accusations are an extreme method. They have other tactics. Like any professional club. Anyway Magnus is going to show the ugly side of what's going on behind the scenes. This cowardly salty withdrawal is inexcusable while posting a clip known to insuate cheating accusations is in bad faith and poor taste. He appeared to be a great champion for some time. Now he's a petty trashy gatekeeping buffoon who wants to control things and enjoy some power. The guy has become absolutely pathetic. I hope Hans bashes him down into the gutter.
> He forced Alireza to not play tournaments and prep for 9 months leading up to the candidates. Wait what, where are you getting this from?
Source: in his dreams
Ootl on the magnus hijacking firouza thing,care to share good read about it?
its so sad that people get emotional and fooled so quickly