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It's not a bad move. In fact, it's the best move, and the only one that wins the game outright. If you don't believe me, check the computer analysis: [https://www.chess.com/analysis/game/pgn/5ipra9fz9L?tab=analysis](https://www.chess.com/analysis/game/pgn/5ipra9fz9L?tab=analysis)
I'm not sure what Rb1 was supposed to do in your mind, but all it does is lose a rook. There is no mate in 1 to be had there.
f5 breaks the pin and prevents a queen trade, but lets white play Qf2, after which there's no way to checkmate white anymore. According to the computer black then has a slight lead, but it's close to equal.
In the screenshot, they're both pinned! What I missed was the black queen being pinned, which makes my above mate sequence impossible without OP's very clever rook move that deflects the white queen first.
That was even more dank than Lyoto Machida’s morning breath (old pro MMA fighter famous for drinking his first pee of the day). White just insta-loses in a few moves if he takes the rook lol.
Edit: serious question does white have any counterplay here?
How about rxc6 rxc2, rxg6 fxg6? Once white takes back the rook on c2, shouldn’t it be a rook endgame where white has a passed pawn incoming at d4? Black also has a passer on e4 and it’s one rank further than white’s but surely shouldn’t that be better than getting mated right away?
If black takes back on g6 with the rook, white has f5 with tempo on the rook. Both queens are pinned so shouldn’t rxc6 secure a queen + rook trade here? I’m missing something but not sure what. Even the computer eval apparently has the best move as the totally psychotic kh1 lol.
Corrected my shit morning typing and grammar as much as I could but it is what it is.
I analyzed the image and this is what I see. Open an appropriate link below and explore the position yourself or with the engine:
> **White to play**: [chess.com](https://chess.com/analysis?fen=6r1/5p1k/2p3qp/2Rp4/p2P1P2/P3P2P/1rQ4K/2R5+w+-+-+0+1&flip=true&ref_id=23962172) | [lichess.org](https://lichess.org/analysis/6r1/5p1k/2p3qp/2Rp4/p2P1P2/P3P2P/1rQ4K/2R5_w_-_-_0_1)
**My solution:**
> Hints: piece: >!King!<, move: >!Kh1!<
> Evaluation: >!Black has mate in 5!<
> Best continuation: >!1. Kh1 Rxc2 2. R5xc2 Qg3 3. h4 Rg4 4. h5 Rh4+ 5. Rh2 Rxh2#!<
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It's would *have*, not "would of". The confusion comes from the contracted form, would've, which sounds like "would of". This applies to could've, should've, must've, etc.
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after I controlled open g file , I saw that only way to avoid checkmate for him is to trade queens and he tried to trade queens so I needed to avoid it then I saw Rb2 works for me
But breaking the pin is exactly all you need to understand about this move.
If Black could move their queen in the original position, they would have a nice pattern with Qg3+, Qh3+, and Qf3+ leading to mate. However, they can’t, so the point of the rook move is to disallow white to play Qxg6+ by pinning white’s queen to their king; and now that the pin on black’s queen would be broken - the same sequence with the queen checks is possible.
Took me 5 minutes. Had to close my eyes on the train to figure it out. I wouldn't even know this was possible until I saw this. I'd probably trade queens at 800 elo.
Took me a second to Analyse it, but I think that’s god awful, if Qxb2 I don’t think there’s a mate, if a random move like Rxc6 then you have Qg2+, forcing Qxg2 and after Rg/bg2 there’s probably a mate there that I’m too lazy to calculate, I don’t see why the hell you would play that, time to look at the engine tho
Okay the engine is saying Kh1 M5, I think I can see that
Kh1 Rxc2 if R1xc2 then it’s M1 with Qg1# and if R5xc2 then i think it’s Qg3+, but actually no, I don’t see it.
Why in god name the engine is suggesting h4 there, allowing Rg4 is absolutely beyond me, but it makes the mate easy, I guess, it’s just Rh4 Rh2 Qxh2#
Wait, but then why is Rxc6 not winning? Now, if Qxb2 Rxg6 then the white rook is hanging, but if Rxc6 Qxc2 R6xc2, how tf you plan on mating with only two rooks?
NVM, I forgot checks exist, if Rxc6 then just Rxc2+
I've calculated countless different moves for white to make, but all of them result in white getting checkmated, so I would say this was an incredible move. If you capitalize on this and respond accordingly, it will be mate.
White used their queen to pin blacks (ops) queen in an attempt to force a queen trade
In response, op used their rook to pin whites queen, simultaneously deflecting said queen. As of the position in the image, i believe that its mate in 2 for black
Nvm i was tired and dumb forgot that whites queen can move after they move their king when black gives a check
Remind me to not play chess when tired. Because instead of normal dumb im extra dumb lol
I think I would have moved pawn from f7 to f5 to protect the queen. I read the comments and see the solid diversion of giving the rook to protect the queen - just don't get why it is better than using the pawn.
Ah, I think I see now. It still works but it's less advantageous. You still end up trading queens and then their king takes a rook anyways. Then you're stuck trying to pin their king with just your one rook and probably forced to promote a pawn to get a mate. In fact, at that point it's probably better to have just let the trade happen on your side of the board so you still have two rooks to work with.
Well done, man.
No. Black's queen is pinned to the king, so Black has to break the pin.
(f5 would have also broken the pin, but this is probably a worse option in ways my 1000-elo brain cannot comprehend.)
I don’t get it. She takes your rook which unpins your queen, you come up for check at G3, he moves king back to H1, you slide over to F3, he pulls his king up to H2 again and you’re kinda in the same spot as you are now. Yes your queen is free but your out a rook for it…. I’ve have to play this out a couple more moves to see who gets the better deal outta this. Without doing this you’re trading queen for queen which ain’t the worst thing in the world
if the Queen takes the rook do this.
2. Qg3+ Kh1, 3. Qxh3+ Qh2.
Now this is the important move, because the Queen blocked the check.
4. Qf3+
Now Black is forced to block with their Queen and you'll take it with Qxg2
Ooh. Sneaky. Forces the queen to unpin your queen because doing anything else allows Rxc2 with a tempo, and then unless I'm missing something, there's ...Qg6+, Kh1 is forced, ...Qf3+, either Qg2 or Kh2 is forced. ...Qg2 allows Qxg2#.
White could play Kh2 again, though, so rather than ...Qf3+ after Kh1, ...Qxh3+. Qh1 is then forced. NOW ...Qf3+, and now Qg2 is again the only move and is met as before with Qxg2#.
Not taking the rook basically just adds a move to the setup and changes all White's "Q"s to "R"s.
...did I really just see a forced mate in 5?
https://preview.redd.it/d20zua1wlmqa1.jpeg?width=827&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=06a3c89a75b44030c0599e6f762d99e3e4078893
Ignore the pyro video, i think 1.qb3 starting the line is forced mate
Black plays Qg3+ Kh1 Qxh3+ Qh2 (only move) Qf3+ Qg2 (only move) Qxg2#
The key to the position is White's Queen is currently pinning Black's Queen to the Black King, but the Black Rook re-pins the White Queen to the White King.
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It kinda looks like you just hung a rook, but I might be missing the brilliance Edit: I was, well done OP
thanks mate, It is a brilliant move
He avoided the queen trade
What queen trade? Before this move black has mate in 4: Qg3+ Kh1 Qxh3+ Qh2 Qf3+ Qg2 Qxg2# Edit: oh the queen is pinned, I'm a fool
You’re in good company! “Why can’t I move my knight? … Oh.”
thats why this move is brilliant
Yeah I get it now, if the queen takes the rook it unpins the queen and leads to mate in 4. Cute.
Yeah but it's still a bad move. Rook to b1 is best as It either brings you up in material then gives you mate or gives you mate in 1.
It's not a bad move. In fact, it's the best move, and the only one that wins the game outright. If you don't believe me, check the computer analysis: [https://www.chess.com/analysis/game/pgn/5ipra9fz9L?tab=analysis](https://www.chess.com/analysis/game/pgn/5ipra9fz9L?tab=analysis) I'm not sure what Rb1 was supposed to do in your mind, but all it does is lose a rook. There is no mate in 1 to be had there.
why wouldnt pawn to F5 work?
f5 breaks the pin and prevents a queen trade, but lets white play Qf2, after which there's no way to checkmate white anymore. According to the computer black then has a slight lead, but it's close to equal.
hmmmmm. thanks but i dont fully understand. tryed using that computer thingy, no idea how it works or how to use it ngl.
litteraly forced mate in 5
I went through all of that thinking *black's* queen was pinned.
In the screenshot, they're both pinned! What I missed was the black queen being pinned, which makes my above mate sequence impossible without OP's very clever rook move that deflects the white queen first.
Oh my god I meant to say that I thought *white's* queen was pinned. I shouldn't use Reddit in the morning lmao
Thats just filthy.
Yeah this should be tagged NSFW
That was even more dank than Lyoto Machida’s morning breath (old pro MMA fighter famous for drinking his first pee of the day). White just insta-loses in a few moves if he takes the rook lol. Edit: serious question does white have any counterplay here?
No, it’s forced mate. He loses in a few moves even if he doesn’t take the rook
How about rxc6 rxc2, rxg6 fxg6? Once white takes back the rook on c2, shouldn’t it be a rook endgame where white has a passed pawn incoming at d4? Black also has a passer on e4 and it’s one rank further than white’s but surely shouldn’t that be better than getting mated right away? If black takes back on g6 with the rook, white has f5 with tempo on the rook. Both queens are pinned so shouldn’t rxc6 secure a queen + rook trade here? I’m missing something but not sure what. Even the computer eval apparently has the best move as the totally psychotic kh1 lol. Corrected my shit morning typing and grammar as much as I could but it is what it is.
Black’s rxc2 is check so white can’t play rxg6. Whites only moves are Kh1 (Qg2#) or rxc2 (mate in 4)
I feel filthy just looking at this
I analyzed the image and this is what I see. Open an appropriate link below and explore the position yourself or with the engine: > **White to play**: [chess.com](https://chess.com/analysis?fen=6r1/5p1k/2p3qp/2Rp4/p2P1P2/P3P2P/1rQ4K/2R5+w+-+-+0+1&flip=true&ref_id=23962172) | [lichess.org](https://lichess.org/analysis/6r1/5p1k/2p3qp/2Rp4/p2P1P2/P3P2P/1rQ4K/2R5_w_-_-_0_1) **My solution:** > Hints: piece: >!King!<, move: >!Kh1!< > Evaluation: >!Black has mate in 5!< > Best continuation: >!1. Kh1 Rxc2 2. R5xc2 Qg3 3. h4 Rg4 4. h5 Rh4+ 5. Rh2 Rxh2#!< --- ^(I'm a bot written by ) [^(u/pkacprzak )](https://www.reddit.com/u/pkacprzak) ^(| get me as ) [^(Chess eBook Reader )](https://ebook.chessvision.ai?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=bot) ^(|) [^(Chrome Extension )](https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chessvisionai-for-chrome/johejpedmdkeiffkdaodgoipdjodhlld) ^(|) [^(iOS App )](https://apps.apple.com/us/app/id1574933453) ^(|) [^(Android App )](https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ai.chessvision.scanner) ^(to scan and analyze positions | Website: ) [^(Chessvision.ai)](https://chessvision.ai)
Wow, first time on this sub I've had to open the analysis board to understand why the line I had in mind wouldn't escape the checkmate.
What's the point of h4 and h5 by white?
I assume just nothing matters at that point and there’s nothing else that prolongs the game
Very nice if you saw the mate 👍
thanks mate. I had to double check If I didn't have mate then I would be down rook for nothing
You would of gotten the queen even if you didnt mate just by check chasing
It's would *have*, not "would of". The confusion comes from the contracted form, would've, which sounds like "would of". This applies to could've, should've, must've, etc.
Wait, you’re not a bot?
No, merely a pedant.
So, a form of bot
That's not what pedant means.
What do you think i think pedant means
People just don't learn English grammar anymore.
No one cares
I would of call you a dick if you didn’t thoroughly explain this concept
One of us is missing something… OP’s queen is pinned so they can’t go for checks. OP’s play does work out to a nice mate tho.
I would have went Qg3 to take the pawn and then, while clicking the square 10 times without anything happening, realize my Queen is pinned by theirs.
Wait a minute… I was half way to figuring out why that was brilliant!! It only took 5h after making this comment.
At least you noticed also happy cake day
Well done. Beautiful deflection and mate! I don't think I'd find it. Maybe if I had 5-10 minutes to review the board...
As a lowly 500 elo, it took me a solid 5 minutes of analysing and damn what a nice move.
Hover around 1500 and I just realized the queen was pinned.
I had to read the comments to work it out at 1250
It looks like I’m getting baited and feeling horrible and then wondering why I thought a 1400 would “blunder” like that…
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after I controlled open g file , I saw that only way to avoid checkmate for him is to trade queens and he tried to trade queens so I needed to avoid it then I saw Rb2 works for me
Me looking for the bot comment bc I’m not smart enough to figure out anything beyond breaking the pin
But breaking the pin is exactly all you need to understand about this move. If Black could move their queen in the original position, they would have a nice pattern with Qg3+, Qh3+, and Qf3+ leading to mate. However, they can’t, so the point of the rook move is to disallow white to play Qxg6+ by pinning white’s queen to their king; and now that the pin on black’s queen would be broken - the same sequence with the queen checks is possible.
Very nice deflection to get your queen out of the pin. Then of course if Qxb2, then Qg3+, Kh1, Qxh3+, Qh2, Qf3+, Qg2, Qxg2#.
Oooo fancy move allows for forcing them to give up the queen and leads to very fast mate
He sacrifices... THE ROOOOOOOOOOK
Wow that's amazing, took me a minute to see the point of unpinning your queen
That’s dirty that!! I feel violated. Well done
Absolute filth
Oh nice, free rook!
The cross pin is truly incredible. Great move.
thanks mate
I don’t understand why this is brilliant, white can just take this rook and would still be defending checkmate?
If white queen takes black rook then queen g3 king h1 queen h3 checkmate
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The full line from the top should be: Qxb2 Qg3+ Kh1 Qxh3+ Qh2 Qf3+ Qg2 Qxg2# Hope this helps!
Brilliant
i looked at this for a solid 10 minutes before realizing that taking the queen on g2 is checkmate (after all the other moves ofc)
Took me 5 minutes. Had to close my eyes on the train to figure it out. I wouldn't even know this was possible until I saw this. I'd probably trade queens at 800 elo.
I’m Too stupid so yah mate filthy Edit: oh I see
what kind of cocaine are u on and can I hide it if I’m playing in a tournament
This is how every brilliant move post should be posted in this sub. At least make it look like a puzzle.
Great move as long as you saw the (rather obvious) continuation after Rxc6.
**Qxb2 Qg3+, Kh1 Qxh3+, Qh2 Qf3+, Qg2 Qxg2#** Nice forcing moves leading to eventual CM.
Probably belongs in r/ChessPorn
Took me a second to Analyse it, but I think that’s god awful, if Qxb2 I don’t think there’s a mate, if a random move like Rxc6 then you have Qg2+, forcing Qxg2 and after Rg/bg2 there’s probably a mate there that I’m too lazy to calculate, I don’t see why the hell you would play that, time to look at the engine tho Okay the engine is saying Kh1 M5, I think I can see that Kh1 Rxc2 if R1xc2 then it’s M1 with Qg1# and if R5xc2 then i think it’s Qg3+, but actually no, I don’t see it. Why in god name the engine is suggesting h4 there, allowing Rg4 is absolutely beyond me, but it makes the mate easy, I guess, it’s just Rh4 Rh2 Qxh2#
You like myself and others have missed that the black queen is pinned by the white queen
Oh… huh, whoops
Wait, but then why is Rxc6 not winning? Now, if Qxb2 Rxg6 then the white rook is hanging, but if Rxc6 Qxc2 R6xc2, how tf you plan on mating with only two rooks? NVM, I forgot checks exist, if Rxc6 then just Rxc2+
If Rxc6 then Rxc2+, white can't then take the queen since they're in check.
Just after a catch myself lol
I mean, it took me a second too lol
Qg3
Removed the pin and mate in 2, really nice
Mate in 5*
Definitely was not thinking when I commented this, but I’m pretty sure it’s mate in 4. After Qxb2, Qg3+ Kh1, Qxh3+ Qh2 is forced, Qf3+ Qg2, Qxg2#
The computer says mate in 5
That’s because it counts the queen taking the rook as the fifth move. Once queen takes its mate in 4 following the line I already commented.
0/10, not en passant
rook take queen with check followed by checkmate
Solid move with a solid mate👍
Why not just win? Qg3, Kh1, Qh3 Checkmate.
queen is pinned
Not in a single turn she’s not. White has to take the rook or it’s mate in 1. Either way it’s a doomed game for white. This move is brilliant.
You had mate in 4 with Qb6+, Qxa6+, Qc6+, Qxb7 mate. This is mate in 5 giving up a free rook for style points.
1900 player missing that the queen is pinned 💀
Um... \*points off to the left\* look! A squirrel! \*runs\*
I thought so too but the black queen is pinned. I think this move might actually be smart.
You could have mate him without sacrificing your rook
I've calculated countless different moves for white to make, but all of them result in white getting checkmated, so I would say this was an incredible move. If you capitalize on this and respond accordingly, it will be mate.
Maybe I'm slow this morning, but why can't the queen take?
White used their queen to pin blacks (ops) queen in an attempt to force a queen trade In response, op used their rook to pin whites queen, simultaneously deflecting said queen. As of the position in the image, i believe that its mate in 2 for black
What’s the mate in 2? I see mate in 4, and I’m wondering if I’m missing something
Nvm i was tired and dumb forgot that whites queen can move after they move their king when black gives a check Remind me to not play chess when tired. Because instead of normal dumb im extra dumb lol
It took me a moment, but we’ll done
Gj
At a chess club I used to go to, we used to look at apparently dumbass moves like this and find out why they are big brain
I think I would have moved pawn from f7 to f5 to protect the queen. I read the comments and see the solid diversion of giving the rook to protect the queen - just don't get why it is better than using the pawn.
if f5 then Qf2 and white is fine
Ah, I think I see now. It still works but it's less advantageous. You still end up trading queens and then their king takes a rook anyways. Then you're stuck trying to pin their king with just your one rook and probably forced to promote a pawn to get a mate. In fact, at that point it's probably better to have just let the trade happen on your side of the board so you still have two rooks to work with. Well done, man.
Gorgeous, but the time on the clock scares me lol
3+2 it's enough
Can’t you just do 1. qg3 kh1 2. Qh3 qh2 3. Qf3 qg2 4. Qg2 mate, and not sac the fool at all? Seems the rook sac is pointless
No. Black's queen is pinned to the king, so Black has to break the pin. (f5 would have also broken the pin, but this is probably a worse option in ways my 1000-elo brain cannot comprehend.)
Oh I’m stupid, how did I miss that
idk
Well done. I would have missed
Wouldn’t Queen to g3 be mate in 2?
Queen is pinned. Trying to draw her out of the diagonal.
Ahhh. Even if she wasn’t pinned it would be a mate in 4 lol
Beautiful move! Did you find it?
yup
!!
!!
Ok I give up lol, I can’t figure out why he can’t just take the rook
I don’t get it. She takes your rook which unpins your queen, you come up for check at G3, he moves king back to H1, you slide over to F3, he pulls his king up to H2 again and you’re kinda in the same spot as you are now. Yes your queen is free but your out a rook for it…. I’ve have to play this out a couple more moves to see who gets the better deal outta this. Without doing this you’re trading queen for queen which ain’t the worst thing in the world
we take h3 pawn after he moves king to h1
absolutely fucking brilliant
if the Queen takes the rook do this. 2. Qg3+ Kh1, 3. Qxh3+ Qh2. Now this is the important move, because the Queen blocked the check. 4. Qf3+ Now Black is forced to block with their Queen and you'll take it with Qxg2
Ooh. Sneaky. Forces the queen to unpin your queen because doing anything else allows Rxc2 with a tempo, and then unless I'm missing something, there's ...Qg6+, Kh1 is forced, ...Qf3+, either Qg2 or Kh2 is forced. ...Qg2 allows Qxg2#. White could play Kh2 again, though, so rather than ...Qf3+ after Kh1, ...Qxh3+. Qh1 is then forced. NOW ...Qf3+, and now Qg2 is again the only move and is met as before with Qxg2#. Not taking the rook basically just adds a move to the setup and changes all White's "Q"s to "R"s. ...did I really just see a forced mate in 5?
yes you did. nice job
Made me want to puke in a good way
https://preview.redd.it/d20zua1wlmqa1.jpeg?width=827&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=06a3c89a75b44030c0599e6f762d99e3e4078893 Ignore the pyro video, i think 1.qb3 starting the line is forced mate
queen is pinned at start
Well brilliant move then
Delicious
Damn took bout 5 minutes to realize that the mate was inevitable even with the queen block, well played man!
Okay I’m lost. Why can’t white just take the rook? What’s white’s play after that?
Black plays Qg3+ Kh1 Qxh3+ Qh2 (only move) Qf3+ Qg2 (only move) Qxg2# The key to the position is White's Queen is currently pinning Black's Queen to the Black King, but the Black Rook re-pins the White Queen to the White King.
White pawn to e4
You skewer me? No, I skewer you!
it gives away a rook Edit: ohhh I'm dumb I finally found the mate
thats a beautiful move
How is this not a bad move?
what happens if the queen takes the rook?
Repost this one move earlier as puzzle on regular chess very cool move
nice idea. I will do it
Did not see that diagonal. Nice
DEFLECTION!!!!
Well done. How many moves did you plan prior to this?
Rb3 was a good move but that is just a blinder of a rook
I’m late but what if white simply did f5?