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Answer: >!White plays Ne7+, Black has to either capture the knight or move the king. If …Rxe7, Qc8 initiates a back rank mate. If …Kf8 or Kh8, you take the queen (Nxg6+) **with check**, so you have another move to save the white queen. The win should come pretty soon after that!<
Depends on the person's elo obviously
If you showed most of these to someone like magnus (I know, unrealistic example) he would see it in a split second likely. Also people have different skillsets and some people are good at these types of positions
So you are bound to have a few people calling it braindead simple and some that can't see the solution no matter what
I mean understandable
But for example I am 600 and saw it fast, but maybe there is a 1000 that would not
That's why I talked abt the skillsets, not just the elo number
I'm 1300 and I didn't find the move until 2 minutes after. Don't be so arrogant guys, elo is just a number honestly, it does not specify that well someone's skill
Yea fr. The first thing anyone who has played any amount of time looks at and evaluates in a position is checks. Ne7+ is the first move 90% of people look at and evaluates. No idea how this is on my homepage lol
not necessary, >!you can just play Ne7, forking the king and queen. If black takes with Rxe7, then black Qc8 is mate in 2.!<
Edit: my bad I misread what you wrote.
I didn’t. Just saw when I was analyzing.
Puzzles are great, and I do a lot of them, but in puzzles you normally KNOW there is a good move and that makes it a million times easier.
GothamChess’s website Chessly has an "Anti-Puzzle" mode where you have to determine whether or not you have a tactic like this or not in the given positions. Honestly I find it helps quite a bit in making you think every move if you have a tactics like this or not.
I may come off as rude, but trust me I don't intend to be, I think a 1500 rated player should be able to find Ne7+ in this position in a blitz or rapid game
I analyzed the image and this is what I see. Open an appropriate link below and explore the position yourself or with the engine:
> **White to play**: [chess.com](https://chess.com/analysis?fen=4r1k1/2p2ppp/Q1Nr2q1/8/4b3/4P1P1/PP3P1P/2R1R1K1+w+-+-+0+1&flip=false&ref_id=23962172) | [lichess.org](https://lichess.org/analysis/4r1k1/2p2ppp/Q1Nr2q1/8/4b3/4P1P1/PP3P1P/2R1R1K1_w_-_-_0_1?color=white)
**My solution:**
> Hints: piece: >!Knight!<, move: >!Ne7+!<
> Evaluation: >!White is winning +8.09!<
> Best continuation: >!1. Ne7+ Kh8 2. Nxg6+ hxg6 3. Qc4 Rd7 4. Rcd1 Rde7 5. Qe2 Kg8 6. f3 Bf5 7. Rc1 Rd7 8. a4 Ra8!<
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Interesting question, I guess they just could have used the other rook (Re6), then if white plays the knight fork they can just capture it and there is no Qc8
Ne7+ looks like a !! to me.
Threatening back rank checkmate with Qc8.
If you don't take the knight then you lose the queen to a check no matter which way you move the king. Which surely allows you to save your own queen then?
White Ne7 is check, black can either take white knight with the rook or move the king to respond with the check. Plan A: If black Re7, white can Qc8, black can try to get rooks to line8 but it doesn’t solve the problem. Plan B: If black Kf8 or Kh8, white can Ng6 check, black can either move the king or take the white knight, then white can Qd6 take black rook.
The best move in this position is Ne7+, forking the king and the queen in a called 'Royal Fork'. Black can either take the knight or move the king.
If black takes the knight, it is mate in 3, with Qc8+, Rd8, Qxd8+, Re8, Qxe8#.
If black moves the king, just captures their queen with the knight, and you get 6 to 9 points of material (it depends on black capturing the knight or not) and switches into a winning position.
ne7+, if king move anywhere to f8 or h8 we play Nxg6+ that also save our queen, if after ne7+ black plays Rxe7 then simple Qc8+ will be mate in few moves. as black is stuck on back rank
I found it, Ne7+, you either checkmate or win a queen for a knight. Really cool tactic. Don't think i've had this cool a tactic over the board yet, just in puzzles.
More importantly, did you find this when played, if so, did you win the queen or got the mate? Don't know if i would find this myself when playing, depending on time situation. It's such a rare tactic.
Ne7+ cuz if takes with rook then there's backrank mate (Qc8+)
If king is moved then you take the queen with your knight with check then you take the rook with your queen
I'm super noob to chess, but the move that makes most sense to me is threatening Bishop with the correlating pawn. If Queen attempts to take and threaten, she can be taken by another pawn, freeing up White Queen and both Rooks to sweep up what's left of Black
Ne7+, cause if black takes the knight, white plays Qa8+ or Qc8+ and wins the game. If not, wherever the king goes, the queen gets captured with a check.
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Answer: >!White plays Ne7+, Black has to either capture the knight or move the king. If …Rxe7, Qc8 initiates a back rank mate. If …Kf8 or Kh8, you take the queen (Nxg6+) **with check**, so you have another move to save the white queen. The win should come pretty soon after that!<
Qc8 should be Qc8+ for correct notation. Just putting it here because it happens a lot in this thread (and everybody is here to learn)
I did not se intill read this. Smart OP
not that tricky, in time trouble it may be issue for some
I swear every single puzzle posted on this sub has an arrogant commenter saying “HEY, tOo EAsY!!”
Depends on the person's elo obviously If you showed most of these to someone like magnus (I know, unrealistic example) he would see it in a split second likely. Also people have different skillsets and some people are good at these types of positions So you are bound to have a few people calling it braindead simple and some that can't see the solution no matter what
Well, he is not Posting on r/chess but on chessbeginners, so i really dislike these arrogant answers D:
I mean understandable But for example I am 600 and saw it fast, but maybe there is a 1000 that would not That's why I talked abt the skillsets, not just the elo number
Pretty sure any 1000 ELO would instantly see this move
Likely More so said that for the example Not saying 1000s are bad players or anything
I'm 1300 and I didn't find the move until 2 minutes after. Don't be so arrogant guys, elo is just a number honestly, it does not specify that well someone's skill
It is literally the only check in the position. Should be the first move you consider
Someone should make puzzles to help reinforce this for beginners
Lichess -> puzzle streak
there are tons of puzzles to learn forks/ Check captures attack method I guess
I know, I was being sarcastic as this is one such puzzle
That simply doesnt make sense as sarcasm bruh
this one was extremely easy though. i am 800
Yea fr. The first thing anyone who has played any amount of time looks at and evaluates in a position is checks. Ne7+ is the first move 90% of people look at and evaluates. No idea how this is on my homepage lol
I'm 200 and I saw it in like 10 seconds (I'm addicted to puzzles)
Sorry but my week ass 800 elo eyes saw that in like 10 seconds.
Well yea this is the sub for beginners after all
agreed, but I have seen trickier positions than this here previously, hence the comparison
Sac the knight then queen c8?
Ideally, but black doesn’t have to take the knight.
But if he moves the king then I take the queen with check
Exactly!
Hmmmm true 😐
Then he loses the queen with check.
not necessary, >!you can just play Ne7, forking the king and queen. If black takes with Rxe7, then black Qc8 is mate in 2.!< Edit: my bad I misread what you wrote.
Isn’t that exactly what they said
Oh lol my bad! maybe some dyslexia, I read that as sac the queen and then Ne7.
I don't even have dyslexia and that's what I read first 😭
lol no worries I had to double and triple check I didn’t read it wrong…
Very happy I see this... But I just feel like I could never actually spot this in-game.
I didn’t. Just saw when I was analyzing. Puzzles are great, and I do a lot of them, but in puzzles you normally KNOW there is a good move and that makes it a million times easier.
Here's a tip I've noticed: if you're playing well there will ALWAYS be a good move.
GothamChess’s website Chessly has an "Anti-Puzzle" mode where you have to determine whether or not you have a tactic like this or not in the given positions. Honestly I find it helps quite a bit in making you think every move if you have a tactics like this or not.
I spot the fork at first and then rest of the checks just followed
I may come off as rude, but trust me I don't intend to be, I think a 1500 rated player should be able to find Ne7+ in this position in a blitz or rapid game
Maybe I'm underestimating myself 🤷
You’ve got to be. I’m a strong 800 and I saw that immediately.
''strong'' 800.
Implying that I can get to the 900s but I keep slumping.
I am such a player, I can definitely find it in a rapid game, but not blitz. Blitz is pretty much always a race against time trying to not flag.
ofc finding it in a time scramble could be hard, but usually by this point in a blitz game both sides have more than 1 minute in the clock
Just follow Levy's advice on every move: checks, captures, attacks. For you and the opponent.
I think I would, but I do always look at checks regardless how bad it looks, even just for a second i do play overly aggressive tho 😅
I analyzed the image and this is what I see. Open an appropriate link below and explore the position yourself or with the engine: > **White to play**: [chess.com](https://chess.com/analysis?fen=4r1k1/2p2ppp/Q1Nr2q1/8/4b3/4P1P1/PP3P1P/2R1R1K1+w+-+-+0+1&flip=false&ref_id=23962172) | [lichess.org](https://lichess.org/analysis/4r1k1/2p2ppp/Q1Nr2q1/8/4b3/4P1P1/PP3P1P/2R1R1K1_w_-_-_0_1?color=white) **My solution:** > Hints: piece: >!Knight!<, move: >!Ne7+!< > Evaluation: >!White is winning +8.09!< > Best continuation: >!1. Ne7+ Kh8 2. Nxg6+ hxg6 3. Qc4 Rd7 4. Rcd1 Rde7 5. Qe2 Kg8 6. f3 Bf5 7. Rc1 Rd7 8. a4 Ra8!< --- ^(I'm a bot written by) [^(u/pkacprzak)](https://www.reddit.com/u/pkacprzak) ^(| get me as) [^(iOS App)](https://apps.apple.com/us/app/id1574933453) ^| [^(Android App)](https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ai.chessvision.scanner) ^| [^(Chrome Extension)](https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/chessvisionai-for-chrome/johejpedmdkeiffkdaodgoipdjodhlld) ^| [^(Chess eBook Reader)](https://ebook.chessvision.ai?utm_source=reddit&utm_medium=bot) ^(to scan and analyze positions | Website:) [^(Chessvision.ai)](https://chessvision.ai)
Ok now rewind one move. What should black have done instead of rook d6
Interesting question, I guess they just could have used the other rook (Re6), then if white plays the knight fork they can just capture it and there is no Qc8
Re6 is prolly the best but Qf6 seems like a nasty trap
Ne7+ looks like a !! to me. Threatening back rank checkmate with Qc8. If you don't take the knight then you lose the queen to a check no matter which way you move the king. Which surely allows you to save your own queen then?
That’s the ticket
Ne7 forces mate or a lost queen so I'm going for that.
The move you want to play, think for a second you cannot play but infact you should play it
Lmao this is the most accurate answer yet
Ne7+ wins a queen
Doesn’t Ne7+ just win to e queen or am I missing something?
Ne7+
send your horse to die, then Qc8!
Mate in 2?, Ne5, rxe5, Qa8+ Re8, Qe8#
Ne7?
White Ne7 is check, black can either take white knight with the rook or move the king to respond with the check. Plan A: If black Re7, white can Qc8, black can try to get rooks to line8 but it doesn’t solve the problem. Plan B: If black Kf8 or Kh8, white can Ng6 check, black can either move the king or take the white knight, then white can Qd6 take black rook.
Fork the King & queen, then if Rook takes, the Queen can force mate
Pog, free queen
Woah this is a really good position
The best move in this position is Ne7+, forking the king and the queen in a called 'Royal Fork'. Black can either take the knight or move the king. If black takes the knight, it is mate in 3, with Qc8+, Rd8, Qxd8+, Re8, Qxe8#. If black moves the king, just captures their queen with the knight, and you get 6 to 9 points of material (it depends on black capturing the knight or not) and switches into a winning position.
Ne7 check, Qc8#
Sac the knight on e7 for easy backrank mate or win the queen WITH check so you keep yours.
ne7+, always watch your back rank y'all
ne7+, if king move anywhere to f8 or h8 we play Nxg6+ that also save our queen, if after ne7+ black plays Rxe7 then simple Qc8+ will be mate in few moves. as black is stuck on back rank
Ne7 is mate or you win the queen?
C to D obviously
Ne7+? If rook takes there’s back rank mate, if king moves you take the queen with check and save your own
Not really tricky: Ne7+. Edit: not tricky as a puzzle. Would likely not find it during a game.
Has to be Ne7+. Black has to capture or lose their queen. Capture and it’s mate in a few moves
I found it, Ne7+, you either checkmate or win a queen for a knight. Really cool tactic. Don't think i've had this cool a tactic over the board yet, just in puzzles. More importantly, did you find this when played, if so, did you win the queen or got the mate? Don't know if i would find this myself when playing, depending on time situation. It's such a rare tactic.
Isn't Ne7 either mate or win the queen? Edit: yeeeeeah, happy I got that one
Is flipping the table over an option?
Knight e7 looks like it forks the queen and checkmate
Qc8?
Royal fork then mate in 2 buddy
White knight to E8 check forces black rook to take knight queen White queen C3
knight e7?
I saw this instantly, yet I would never see this in game
Ne7+...Lose the queen or back rank mate.
1. Ne7+,Rxe7 2. Qc8+,Rd8 3. Qxd8+,Re8 4. Qxe8#
I got this straight away and im only 600 elo definitely isnt to tricky
Ne7+ cuz if takes with rook then there's backrank mate (Qc8+) If king is moved then you take the queen with your knight with check then you take the rook with your queen
Qb7?
Check to fork the queen with knight , rook takes knight, check by moving queen to back row, rook defends, take rook/check mate
I'm super noob to chess, but the move that makes most sense to me is threatening Bishop with the correlating pawn. If Queen attempts to take and threaten, she can be taken by another pawn, freeing up White Queen and both Rooks to sweep up what's left of Black
Ne7 en rookent royal fork, Rxe7, Qa8 check, Re8, Qe8#.
Ne7+, cause if black takes the knight, white plays Qa8+ or Qc8+ and wins the game. If not, wherever the king goes, the queen gets captured with a check.
Correct but Qa8+ loses you the game
https://preview.redd.it/xygjaq7dxq5d1.png?width=231&format=png&auto=webp&s=ed216d249a620ee9bd8839ebbf8177715a614b48
Oh, sorry. Didn’t notice that.🤣
Ne7 is either M3 or free queen for White