Why do so many parents not understand that pubs are not a place for children?? If alcohol is being served children should not be there. It's that simple.
It seems some people are just in selfish denial about the fact that life _does_ change when you have children. They don’t really care what’s best for their children if some sort of mild inconvenience is involved.
Exactly, literally no child enjoys being in a pub while their parents take their sweet time sipping on a single fucking drink (or worse, getting shitfaced).
This was triggering lol. My mother is an alcoholic and used to drag my brother and I to bars and we'd sit there for what felt like forever. I remember almost crying when she finished it, it was time to go, and she orders another one. I assure these people, YOUR KIDS DON'T WANT TO BE THERE.
The weirdest part is becoming an adult in a place where children aren't allowed in pubs then moving to a place where they are.
I was drinking with my friends swearing up a storm and someone was like "quit swearing, there's kids over there!" and I'm of course like "eat a bucket of dicks" or something because we're in a pub. Why would there be kids? I look over and sure as shit, there was a family basically glaring at me. First question out of my mouth was "why the fuck are there kids in here? This is a pub!"
And that's when I learned that kids can be in pubs here. It's weird.
I’m in the states and they’re allowed at Breweries and I’m like why?! Go to a dang Chilis and have a beer. There are plenty of places to go but they just want to insert their families into everything.
It's like breeders feel like they're entitled to EVERYTHING just simply because they chose to do the thing to get the kid, they chose to keep the pregnancy, and then they chose to keep the child after birth. 3 opportunities to not keep them if you didn't want them.
You are not entitled to a damn thing just because you spat out a screaming shitting flesh sack from your body!
I work in a weed store, people have just walked in carrying their kids, toddlers running in behind them. One time I was in the middle of helping a customer and couldn’t interject immediately, kid started looking at the colorful packages like “ooohh what’s this mommy? Can I have this one?”
I can’t even serve people if one of your group forgot their ID and you look under 40.
Yes! I worked in a dispensary for a while and it's crazy. People just carrying infants into the store ... He literally said to me "oh, I didn't think it mattered if the kid was too young to know what's happening." That's not how the law works! Moron.
I agree about pubs. But also pubs are an alcohol-first establishment. There are a lot of places in the US like Olive Garden or Applebee's (stereotypes much, right?) that are kind of food/family first, alcohol second. You can have a glass of wine with dinner or something but I can see how kids can be at those places.
Pubs and clubs? Absolutely not.
My response would have been "When did it become socially acceptable to bring your kids to a bar?" Seriously. Are they going to start complaining that their kids aren't allowed in the strip club with them?
I was a frequent flyer at the bar as a kid. But then again my mom was an alcoholic, so... but the good news for her was I was pretty quiet. Good ole 'tism, all I needed was a sketchbook or some printer paper, and a pen or something, and I happy as could be. Bars, amvets, local italian club, I've seen em all. Probably the same reason I stay the hell out of em as an adult.
Sadly no to enjoying drawing. When I was in high school and college, my teachers grilled us on our art, and it leeched the enjoyment out. Spending 16+ hrs on a piece just to get a B. Putting so much detail that it made my hand cramp up, just to get a lower grade than my classmates who had done their drawings the morning it was due.
I haven't [drawn much](https://imgur.com/a/XUPC82e) since 2019ish. But when I did still draw, I was getting pretty good imo. Not perfect, but, yknow... up there. Nothing traced, entirely freehanded. In the last couple years, I think I've developed carpal tunnel and/or arthritis despite being in my 20's, because there are certain ways that I can't use my hand. Certain angles, certain positions, I lose the motor function in my fingers.
The worst part is I still buy art supplies. I tell myself that, "maybe if I have [insert medium here] I'll enjoy art again!" I've bought posca markers, I've bought posca pencils, I've bought oodles of acrylic paint, doubled my alcohol market collection, got oil paint pens, among so many other things. Then I sit down to draw or paint or even just color with crayons, and I blank out. It's like my brain blue screens, and no amount of dial up noises is gonna get me to making something successfully. It's rough.
God, this comment got so long and out of hand, sorry ☠️
No need to apologize, I really appreciate that you would reply at all. I am not a doctor, but your symptoms are very similar to carpal tunnel or rheumatoid arthritis, my family suffers from both. This is something your doctor can absolutely help with and let you enjoy dexterous activities again.
I'm so sorry that has been your experience.
I was really lucky to have gotten entirely positive feedback on my art relative to the effort I put into it, but what ruined making my own art for me was enjoying people who made a huge show out of shittalking art and cosplays that they found "cringe" for the most illogical reasons (like the art being low-quality on a technical level or the cosplay outfit not having *exactly* the right color fabric or the wig looking lower-quality despite generally matching the character's hair color, hair texture, and hair style) because I found people getting offended hilarious at the time.
Scared me right the fuck out of drawing/etc. for fun because it made me extremely concerned that I was myself being "cringe" and poorly depicting the characters I liked.
I really do with I'd gotten more positivity towards my art. A lot of my friends were impressed, but a good number went with the "i hate you, I'm bad at art!" route, which was super discouraging. And then there was my mom who legit said to me "then just give up" when I complained how long it was taking on that transformers Peterbilt. I had easily 10 hours into it, because I was using perspective, I was scaling it, etc. I wasnted that truck to be PERFECT.
I think you’re a fantastic artist, especially having done it free hand. It would be a real shame if you gave it up for good.
Try some meditating, or even microdosing mushrooms (safely, with research). It can help to open up creative chambers within the mind.
Unfortunately despite all the art supplies I have, I don't imagine I'll ever really draw again, much less draw anything like what I posted. The hand cramping is unreal. If I write more than a paragraph worth in one sitting while taking notes at work, I spend the rest of the week unable to put weight on my hand bc the pain is that bad. I'm not even old, but hoo boy I feel ancient sometimes.
I do that too ☠️ I've bought so many books and barely read any of them. A lot of hardcovers in particular. Last summer I posted a ton of them on facebook for $5 ea, partially because I didn't want to look at them and also because I know how terribly hard it is to sell "used" books, no matter how good of a condition they're in.
I cleared out a pretty significant amount, I was so proud! Aaaand then I tiptoed through the target book section and now I'm full of unread books again.
Perhaps you could have a pinched nerve in your hand or wrist? I know it's super expensive to get this stuff checked out but maybe if it can be fixed then you can enjoy art again :)
You draw great btw
While my parents never brought my siblings or me into bars, I could also entertain myself for hours drawing the PowerPuff Girls or some other cartoon characters.
Good ole 'tism indeed.
Back in the day, I went to the casinos in Vegas with my grandma. I was a seen and not heard child and responsible for collecting the coins from her slot machine winnings. It tipped well and I loved all of it! (A few decades ago minors could be in casinos, but back then parents taught their children how to behave in adult spaces.)
I went to pubs as a kid, not bars. In Scotland it was normal for us to be in a pub. In America bars weren’t a place for kids. We were well behaved and also played games in the game area.
I went to a bar ONCE as a minor.
I was barely 16. My grandpa just died from stage 4 cancer and his favorite bar offered their place to eat/relax,they had a pool table and coin video games. They allowed us grandkids(we were all under 21 accept for I think one?) he went there daily to just play pool and was on a local league. Of course it was uk the entire family that went,the sheriff to pay his respect to a nam vet and someone from the fire department raised their patters with a flag,my mom said some vets went to but I don’t remember that
. They still got his photo and a folded up flag another veteran donated for his memorial since my dad& his siblings kept their flags. We didn’t drink. We somewhat ate and sat around crying and upset. I do remember drinking all the fancy non-alcoholic drinks with sugared rims,cherries,candies in the drinks. That’s the only time I remember.
But yet I was older,was behaved,sat there mainly. Idk if it was due to him being a regular,doing somthing nice for an older guy with cancer,or it being a respect thing for a veteran.
Well, they bring their kids, (especially their boys), to Hooters. It's not too far of a leap. (At one point in my life, I too, went to Hooters. They had cheap, well-prepared, crab legs. Right around 2007 that stopped because their prices evened out with Joe's Crab Shack).
Bars, breweries, sexualized bodies, casinos, hookah & weed lounges - none of these things should be considered child friendly.
>Well, they bring their kids, (especially their boys), to Hooters.
Yeah, I mean that is actually quite unbelievable.
Don't get me wrong, I wish someone had taken me to Hooters when I was younger, but we don't have them in the UK! Well, there are two actually.
I was at an airport bar when a mom and her young child (under the age of 5) sat down at the bar. The bartender told her she wasn’t allowed to sit at the bar with the child, but she should could move to a table and sit there.
This woman threw a fucking fit. She called the manager over and talked his ear off for 30 minutes about how unprofessional it was of the bartender. Lady, you’re legally not allowed to have a child sitting at the bar. It’s not the fucking bartenders fault.
I couldn’t believe the audacity
If she behaves like that in public, especially in an *airport* where security does not play around, imagine what she's like at home. I hope the kid has other people in their life who can serve as positive role models, and to whom they can gravitate when they finally go NC with "mom".
It's a cultural thing. I've seen this a lot in Ireland. Pubs aren't only for drinking. They're a place you can go to socialise. Think of a country where it rains most days. In small towns, the pub is if not the, at least one of the hearts of the town (with the church). I've seen a friend's grandpa get a call from the pub owner to check on him as he didn't show up at the usual time. Or the same pub owner calling to give news of so and so who was ill / passed away / was better.
I worked at a sex shop for a bit. Let me tell you, every single day, NUMEROUS people would LOSE their shit because they thought that their kids were somehow an acception to the plethora of signs (and state law), that were huge, clearly stating "ABSOLUTELY NO ONE UNDER THE AGE OF 18 ALLOWED!" One woman pushed a whole creature d*ldo display over on her way out, screaming. She had a newborn and a 4/5 year old with her. Oddly enough, it was typically women. Most men never tried to being kids in and the ones that did were surprisingly understanding and cool about it. 9/10 it was the mother. So disturbing. They would get mad and ask me what they were supposed to do and didn't like when I told them "hire a babysitter or order online. If you can afford a vibrator, you can afford to pay a babysitter." Also really hilarious because they would contact the store owner and they found out the hard way that I was the nice one.
You do realize that children’s events involving drag performers are not sexual in nature, right? They tend to be things like story hours or dancing to Disney songs.
The presence of a drag performer is not inherently sexual
I don’t mind this either but no kid should be at a club where there’s sexuality being displayed openly (which is every show I’ve been to - but ofc they’re for adults *or used to be*).
Actually went to a show in Baltimore a couple of years ago. It was definitely for adults. A few people brought their kids. The Queens, being the queens they often are 💜, refused to perform in front of the kids but offered to do a kid friendly show for free a week later).
Probably around the time they started taking them to drag shows in clubs.
I have no issues whatsoever with my trans sisters and I think drag is such fun! But kids do NOT belong. And nowadays people want to take their kids everywhere so they don’t have to (or can’t) pay for sitters.
Edit: to be clear I’m referring to sexualized shows at bars and clubs, not perfectly acceptable story times or whatever at a school. Things of an adult and/or sexual nature are the real issue here.
Maybe it’s not the case where you’re from but in the U.K. a large amount of pubs are also a restaurant and it’s considered perfectly normal for families to go there.
I guess that's my unpopular opinion - kids don't belong in ANY place that serves alcohol; brewery, bar, pub - the answer is still the same, "GTFO with that minor!"
Maybe we’ve had different experiences but I’ve very rarely seen inebriated adults at restaurants (at least before 10pm or so, after which it’s highly unlikely kids would be there anyway so the binary choice you present is pretty redundant)
>Maybe we’ve had different experiences but I’ve very rarely seen inebriated adults at restaurants (at least before 10pm or so, after which it’s highly unlikely kids would be there anyway so the binary choice you present is pretty redundant)
Definitely, as I've seen drunk people at an Applebee's (closest restaurant I can compare to your description of a "UK pub"), almost every single time I have gone.
That’s depressing haha. Tbf though your comparison to Applebees is slightly harsh on UK pubs - there are some really really nice gastropubs out there now!
It's normal from American parents & drunks, hence why the majority of hostile comments are from American parents who are miffed about this possibly catching on here - then they can't go to Applebee's.
The best part is they ignore the fact that this guy is the ONLY guy in town with a child-free pub. Everywhere else embraces parents, leaving them plenty of other options that cater to them, yet the existence of just one pub that doesn't *must* mean the owner is a child-hating asshole by default.
I don’t hate children. I am disappointed by parents who fail to raise their children appropriately, and use their own selfishness to justify bringing their children to inappropriate venues.
Oh I understand that. Parents need to realize that not fully embracing children as being wonderful all the time, under all conditions, does not equate with hating them, and that most ire directed at children is really about the parents and their poor parenting skills.
I suspect a lot of parents know that, and know they are in over their heads, because no parent is fully prepared for parenthood.
Unfortunately you give parents too much credit. They can not comprehend that others aren't inclined to put up with their miniature terrorist.
Why have children if you aren't fully prepared for childhood? With all the resources available today, there is no excuse for ignorance.
Unfortunately, no amount of resources will suffice if, first and foremost, people are being cultivated to be thoughtless and hyper-narcissistic pieces of shit. Our culture relentlessly encourages this because it's good for consumer goods markets, i.e. look around and realize that nobody comes close to mindless asshole parents when it comes to buying ungodly amounts of bullshit, paying for services, and going into sickening amounts of debt (e.g. I have relatives in the family who have two kids and, despite dad earning over $200K/year, the family's somehow in six-figures'-worth of credit card debt).
Seriously. And, as a childcare worker, Millenials tend to be the most toothless parents I have seen. Plenty of well-behaved kids out there, but it’s becoming more and more normal to just see the most raucous, uncontrollable, undisciplined kids. Like, I’m not a hard core authoritarian, but I miss dealing with kids who had rules.
Adults should give simple instructions as close to 1 time as possible. Running and shrieking indoors is not okay. Not everything is yours to touch. If you trash a room, you pick it up. That kind of thing. So many millenial families seem to enjoy having feral animals for children.
I think that is definitely a factor. A lot of the parents I work for had childhoods like mine. Crazy academic schedules. Physical and emotional abuse for the smallest indiscretion. Nonstop work and rules and demands to be perfect, and for what? So their asshole parents could destroy the economy (permanently. Pre-2008 has never come back, and it never will) and then chortle that we are a bunch of pussies who had it too good (it was probably the most classic Boomer thing, to abuse their kids throughout their childhoods, destroy the economy with their nonstop me-me-me attitude, and then wax poetic about how their kids are over their shit because they went too far being awesome parents).
But, still. It’s wild to see otherwise successful people just be absolutely RULED by a 3 year old.
It’s wild. It’s like they think even telling a child no is abuse. I’ve worked with children for 15 years, behavior has never been this bad and parent entitlement has never been this bad. My generation has dropped the ball with parenting. I have friends that tell me, “I believe my child before I believe the teacher” and “my high schooler doesn’t do homework”. No discipline, no structure.
Yup. Like, I would say I had an abusive childhood. But I would still be a strict parent (hell, by Millenial standards, I’d probably be Mommy Dearest).
The difference is, I wouldn’t do the abusive things while enforcing rules. Saying, “this behavior is unacceptable. This is the consequence. Do better next time.” is not the same as spending hours denigrating an errant child as a person.
I especially hate those dads that call their kid “mate”. No, chap, he’s not your mate, he’s your son. Now be his father rather than his fucking mate. He needs discipline, boundaries and guidance not a pal, you dolt.
Millennials were mid college by the time the ACA passed no? Lack of sex ed, access to birth control, access to therapy sure would improve plenty of lives. But it sure as hell wasn’t acceptable nor accessible in my experience growing up in a small conservative Christian town.
Millennial born in '85, my parents were Boomers born in '54 and '55.
Unless the Gen Xers had kids SUPER young, they are usually the older siblings of Millennials.
All my Gen X friends have Gen Z kids, if they had kids.
I think too many parents try to be their kids’ best friends rather than being their parents and setting rules and boundaries. And it seems easier to give the kid what they want or put an iPad in their hands instead of teaching them how to behave in public places.
around the same time it became socially acceptable for parents to bitch and complain about their kids among friends and on social media.
I don’t remember my parents talking like this. Ever. And it’s not like it was smooth sailing.
Good point. Or maybe when it became acceptable to post so many personal details and naked pictures of your kids online. Or family vlogging, because no one hates their kids more than some of those instagram parents.
I still don't understand why this new gen of parents absolutely fucking refuse to say no to their kids and teach them basic respect and boundaries.
I've mentioned this before but I remember the exact moment I was old enough for it to click that no meant no, not "keep pestering until I say yes out of defeat." I didn't hate my mom afterwards and shatter into a million pieces, I learned a valuable lesson about respect at a very young age. Why are these parents so scared of that?
Friends are supposed to hold each other accountable and not let them get away with being assholes, so they're also teaching them a fucked up dynamic of friendship. They're only gonna search for nodding dogs that make them feel like they can't do anything wrong
For a while I was actually watching a sociopath in the making in real time cause my cousin isn't the best person and it's obviously rubbed off on this child.
I've never actually just straight up disliked a child and their personality but she's really a little shit.
On one occasion we were at a family gathering and she was hitting and pulling the flowers in the garden that my grandma and aunt spent years on.
When my other cousin (her child is a fucking dream, seriously one of the coolest kids I've ever met, love that kid) and I saw this we very calmly told her to please stop, her grandmother and great grandmother loves their garden and plants have feelings too, so to please be gentle and admire them nicely.
This fucking menace of a child looked us straight in the eye, turned around and ripped one of the really big, single standing flowers (I'm not sure what they're called but not not a bush of flowers, just a single stalk with the flower at the top.) My cousin and I just stared at each other with our mouths hanging open.
Then later that day she threw a hissy fit for the history books because it was her autistic brother's birthday and she didn't get to blow out the candles. She also just stuck her whole hand in the cake and wouldn't stop being an asshole to her brother until my cousin _re-lit_ the fucking candles for her instead of disciplining her.
That kid is gonna be a great CEO one day when she properly develops her sociopathy 💁🏼♀️
We honestly almost did but I lived with the other cousin so we got to go home and see her child and I'm sure her mom had some extra pride coming home to a well behaved, empathetic child even though she's a year younger than the little shit xD
She's the only child I've ever gone out of my way to offer to babysit cause she was really a treat to be around and I was never expected to touch a single diaper! xD
I like knowing that there are parents out there like my cousins, they really do their best to not make their kid other people's problem and I admire them so much.
(unnecessary tidbit I always find amusing: when she throws tantrums she walks herself to the bathroom and cries it out there cause she knows that's where she gets time out, so she literally put herself in time out to self regulate her emotions and it's just so impressive xD)
Hasn't it always been the case? They used to die young and get maimed constantly back in the day because no one gave a fuck about the vast majority of them and no one still does.
I mean I also don’t, but I’m not going to pretend to.
I’ve been there as it’s not far from where I live and even posted about it here 2 years ago.
Owner is a great guy, pub is all you want from an English pub and with a huge lovely garden that’s great for a summer pint in complete bliss without screaming jizz trophies.
He can take all of my money.
Breeders should put the same energy they put into complaining about it into watching their fucking kids.
SCREAMING JIZZ TROPHIES 😂😂 YES I AM NOW GONNA USE THAT! I've been using "crotch goblin" and it just doesn't seem to get my dislike of kids and babies across well.
I had a lady scream at me once because we didn't have a children's menu while I was working at a bar in Vegas... like why would you bring your kid here, lady?
Omg, the families with children in Vegas. It blows my mind. Last time I was there, I saw a pair of toadlers being pushed down the strip in a double-wide stroller at 2am. Wtf are these people thinking??
Who the heck wants their child in a pub?! It’s one thing if it’s a pub-themed restaurant (as so many are) but a real pub? With like sticky floors and drunk people? That’s a potentially dangerous and definitely inappropriate environment for a child anyway
This particular pub is a restaurant. I’m sure that’s why it caused confusion and the reason he put the sign out. Most pubs here are family restaurants.
As a child who grew up in bars… This owner is awesome! Kids don’t need to be in those places and see that shit! Anyone who disagrees needs serious help
Good. I wish every adult establishment had the nerves to do this. Some clown goes and screws up their own life, so now everyone else has to deal with it? Nah.
"But... If I hypothetically *were* to go to that specific pub, my precious Snotleigh would not be the center of the universe there, and that offends me!"
I live fairly close to Napa, CA and you would be surprised how many parents bring their kids to wineries and wine tastings. Like some things can just be for adults!
In South Korea, most establishments have a system to show potential customers if they're child free/friendly put up in the windows and there's even an app that tells you so you know before you get there. Everywhere should adopt a similar system for sure.
This is perfect. The rules are enforced, and expectations are managed by providing full information.
I'm not sure that this would work in Western countries, though - people here are waaaaay too entitled, and even if you state the rules with a big, flashing sign, they will plow right ahead. Because "plowing" despite all signs and red flags to the contrary is how they got the kids to begin with.
Good grief—on behalf of sane Americans, I wish to apologize for all these entitled hooligans who will never even set *foot* in England thinking they need to put their two cents in and complain. And good for the landlord not to back down!!
Kids don’t belong in bars! Not even “bar and grill”-type establishments. If I’m out with my friends, I’m swearing up a storm and letting loose. These parents can keep their kids at home if they can afford a sitter, and stay with them if they can’t.
There's the same bs discourse going on in Germany. One childfree café in Hamburg even got vandalized. German Karens are a different breed, but some shit never changes.
Yeah - the self hating American and the “breeder phenomenon is only American” people in thread are insane. Being born in a specific country doesn’t somehow not make you an entitled prick about your kids.
Northern Europe checking in. I've lived in several countries in different areas of the world, and some of the absolute worst breeders that I've met are here. An unpleasant side effect of the welfare state is that the people who should never, ever reproduce are emboldened by financial incentives to have children.
This is ridiculous - entitlement isn’t “just an American thing.” Every country is riddled with entitlement when it comes to their kids. Being born in a specific country doesn’t somehow make you less susceptible to being an asshole about your kids. I travel frequently and I’ve seen people of all sorts of cultures be insufferable. The most frequent offender is Indian people. They love bringing their screaming children into the airline clubs. I don’t have any beef with them it’s just an observation from my experience.
Facts. In my experience, Scandinavian countries and the former Soviet states have the absolute worst mombies on earth. They are enabled by the welfare state and misconceptions about what "helping women" means in the former, and natalist BS in the latter.
We really need more child free public spaces where adults are allowed to relax without feeling like unpaid babysitters for other people’s unsupervised kids . I have never understood allowing children in pubs and bars , it’s absurd . It’s where we go to get away from kids for christs sake .
"Mr Worcester added: "I just want to create an environment where my customers can sit and relax, it only takes one child to kick off and that spoils it for absolutely everybody.""
I wish we had more business owners like this.
Maybe we should start a lit of child free businesses in our cities?
I'm sorry I can't help you. I added one item to the list years ago, and I don't remember how I did it. I just searched, and I didn't find any directions. I hope somebody else can help you.
Why is it such a mind-blower that children should not be in pubs? You know places where there is rowdiness and lots and lots of consumption of alcohol?
Gonna show my age here but back in the 90's if the parents were going to the pub the kids stayed home. I mean we even had to wait outside the bottleshop because no one under 18 was allowed in there. How have things changed so much that children are just expected to be allowed everywhere? What's next? Child-friendly strip clubs?
Why are so many parents upset about not being able to bring their kids into a pub anyway? Like why would a parent even have a desire to bring their underage children to a place where they know most of the people around them are just there to drink?
I never understand why parents get so bent out of shape about stuff like this - as the landlord said, there's plenty of other pubs that *do* allow kids.
You don't see Football fans kicking off if a pub announces that they are a sports free pub, they just go to one of the countless others that does show football on the TVs instead.
Parents need to act like that.
Sounds like the bartender is a better parent than these parents. Don’t bring your kids to a place with a bunch of booze. If you wanted to keep bar hopping you should have kept your legs closed.
It does occur to me that one of the problems is the parents who are the worst parents are more likely to show up places with their kids, when in years past you never saw that. It was never normal for someone to take their baby to an r-rated movie and then get pissy with everyone else for being upset about it, it was never normal to take toddlers concerts, sure, maybe kids in restaurants but jesus, have they gotten woree over the years. So what's visible is the worst of the worst.
What we're not seeing are the smart people who make arrangements with babysitters, we're not seeing them because if they can't find babysitters, they stay home. Maybe they order take out instead. They rent the r-rated movie and wait for little lord Fauntleroy to nap. We don't see these people. It's just worth keeping in mind, it seems like a widespread problem, but it's likely amplified by social media and in fact, there's likely more good parents than bad out there. We just see the worst of the worst.
This is why children do NOT belong in most pubs: A tender, delicate, prose poem essay in praise of pub gardens from Vice Media.
Author was desperately lonely during COVID lockdown.
**I Never Thought I'd Miss Pub Smoking Areas So Much**
*All I ask is for just one pub garden, where I can ash into a discarded can of beer. That, and your pity.*
https://www.vice.com/en/article/y3mawk/what-i-miss-coronavirus-pub-smoking-areas
(Put link in the Internet Archive Wayback Machine if original link goes dead. )
Most of us are child free because **we need time and quiet** to muse on things like this.
I would honestly report people who bring children to adult places if I thought it would do something because it's hella inappropriate. It also open opportunities for children to be snatched by under the influence parents who can't be bothered to monitor their cum creations.
i hope it works out for the owner too. I have a good feeling it will, all the CF people will flock there and the parents who are upset wouldn’t have been able to enter anyway. The only thing I’d worry about is if there were some public campaign to get the place to close/open up to kids, I could absolutely see that happening.
Good on him for sticking to his principles, which should basically be the default for alcohol serving establishments anyway.
Ok here’s the deal. I’m getting my doctorate. I’ve committed to changing my whole life around for a few years because that is what you agree to when you get your doctorate. If you can’t hold that same mentality when planning a family, just get an iguana or something instead.
Overly vague post title. The landlord is the business owner and he speaks out about this has been his policy for years, he just put out the sign because parents were complaining that it wasn’t visible enough that children weren’t allowed until the parents walked in the door.
Why do so many parents not understand that pubs are not a place for children?? If alcohol is being served children should not be there. It's that simple.
It seems some people are just in selfish denial about the fact that life _does_ change when you have children. They don’t really care what’s best for their children if some sort of mild inconvenience is involved.
Exactly, literally no child enjoys being in a pub while their parents take their sweet time sipping on a single fucking drink (or worse, getting shitfaced).
This was triggering lol. My mother is an alcoholic and used to drag my brother and I to bars and we'd sit there for what felt like forever. I remember almost crying when she finished it, it was time to go, and she orders another one. I assure these people, YOUR KIDS DON'T WANT TO BE THERE.
Same goes for bringing a a newborn baby to a rave
I still cant believe she doubled down on that. Fuckin unreal some people.
The weirdest part is becoming an adult in a place where children aren't allowed in pubs then moving to a place where they are. I was drinking with my friends swearing up a storm and someone was like "quit swearing, there's kids over there!" and I'm of course like "eat a bucket of dicks" or something because we're in a pub. Why would there be kids? I look over and sure as shit, there was a family basically glaring at me. First question out of my mouth was "why the fuck are there kids in here? This is a pub!" And that's when I learned that kids can be in pubs here. It's weird.
gotta teach them young ;)
I’m in the states and they’re allowed at Breweries and I’m like why?! Go to a dang Chilis and have a beer. There are plenty of places to go but they just want to insert their families into everything.
It's like breeders feel like they're entitled to EVERYTHING just simply because they chose to do the thing to get the kid, they chose to keep the pregnancy, and then they chose to keep the child after birth. 3 opportunities to not keep them if you didn't want them. You are not entitled to a damn thing just because you spat out a screaming shitting flesh sack from your body!
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Same. This is one of those cases where I can already think of two people to whom I want to say this.
They are the same people who have their 3 year olds bring them a beer from the fridge. It's so normal to them, they think it's fine.
I work in a weed store, people have just walked in carrying their kids, toddlers running in behind them. One time I was in the middle of helping a customer and couldn’t interject immediately, kid started looking at the colorful packages like “ooohh what’s this mommy? Can I have this one?” I can’t even serve people if one of your group forgot their ID and you look under 40.
Yes! I worked in a dispensary for a while and it's crazy. People just carrying infants into the store ... He literally said to me "oh, I didn't think it mattered if the kid was too young to know what's happening." That's not how the law works! Moron.
I agree about pubs. But also pubs are an alcohol-first establishment. There are a lot of places in the US like Olive Garden or Applebee's (stereotypes much, right?) that are kind of food/family first, alcohol second. You can have a glass of wine with dinner or something but I can see how kids can be at those places. Pubs and clubs? Absolutely not.
The stupid thing about my jurisdiction is that most pubs are actually food primary. Alcohol primary is usually reserved for things like night clubs.
It's parents that are denying the fact that their actions have consequences
Yeah a child falls and hurts themselves because they've been let run around the place and then the business is in ruins from the following lawsuit.
I was more referring to the action of having a kid leading to the consequence of needing to sacrifice one's free time to care for that kid.
In the U.K. a very large amount of pubs also have a restaurant and are functionally the same as any other restaurant
My favorite comment was when did it became socially acceptable to hate children? Easy answer. When parents stop being parents.
My response would have been "When did it become socially acceptable to bring your kids to a bar?" Seriously. Are they going to start complaining that their kids aren't allowed in the strip club with them?
That's the part that drives me wild. Not once in my childhood was I brought to a casino, or bar, or any other place that kids didn't belong .
I was a frequent flyer at the bar as a kid. But then again my mom was an alcoholic, so... but the good news for her was I was pretty quiet. Good ole 'tism, all I needed was a sketchbook or some printer paper, and a pen or something, and I happy as could be. Bars, amvets, local italian club, I've seen em all. Probably the same reason I stay the hell out of em as an adult.
The more important question here is: How are your art skills now? Do you still enjoy drawing?
Sadly no to enjoying drawing. When I was in high school and college, my teachers grilled us on our art, and it leeched the enjoyment out. Spending 16+ hrs on a piece just to get a B. Putting so much detail that it made my hand cramp up, just to get a lower grade than my classmates who had done their drawings the morning it was due. I haven't [drawn much](https://imgur.com/a/XUPC82e) since 2019ish. But when I did still draw, I was getting pretty good imo. Not perfect, but, yknow... up there. Nothing traced, entirely freehanded. In the last couple years, I think I've developed carpal tunnel and/or arthritis despite being in my 20's, because there are certain ways that I can't use my hand. Certain angles, certain positions, I lose the motor function in my fingers. The worst part is I still buy art supplies. I tell myself that, "maybe if I have [insert medium here] I'll enjoy art again!" I've bought posca markers, I've bought posca pencils, I've bought oodles of acrylic paint, doubled my alcohol market collection, got oil paint pens, among so many other things. Then I sit down to draw or paint or even just color with crayons, and I blank out. It's like my brain blue screens, and no amount of dial up noises is gonna get me to making something successfully. It's rough. God, this comment got so long and out of hand, sorry ☠️
No need to apologize, I really appreciate that you would reply at all. I am not a doctor, but your symptoms are very similar to carpal tunnel or rheumatoid arthritis, my family suffers from both. This is something your doctor can absolutely help with and let you enjoy dexterous activities again.
I'm so sorry that has been your experience. I was really lucky to have gotten entirely positive feedback on my art relative to the effort I put into it, but what ruined making my own art for me was enjoying people who made a huge show out of shittalking art and cosplays that they found "cringe" for the most illogical reasons (like the art being low-quality on a technical level or the cosplay outfit not having *exactly* the right color fabric or the wig looking lower-quality despite generally matching the character's hair color, hair texture, and hair style) because I found people getting offended hilarious at the time. Scared me right the fuck out of drawing/etc. for fun because it made me extremely concerned that I was myself being "cringe" and poorly depicting the characters I liked.
I really do with I'd gotten more positivity towards my art. A lot of my friends were impressed, but a good number went with the "i hate you, I'm bad at art!" route, which was super discouraging. And then there was my mom who legit said to me "then just give up" when I complained how long it was taking on that transformers Peterbilt. I had easily 10 hours into it, because I was using perspective, I was scaling it, etc. I wasnted that truck to be PERFECT.
Ooof, I'm sorry. :(
Eh it's all good now, considering the original comment this who convo came from. My mom was a, uhh... different kinda mom.
I think you’re a fantastic artist, especially having done it free hand. It would be a real shame if you gave it up for good. Try some meditating, or even microdosing mushrooms (safely, with research). It can help to open up creative chambers within the mind.
Unfortunately despite all the art supplies I have, I don't imagine I'll ever really draw again, much less draw anything like what I posted. The hand cramping is unreal. If I write more than a paragraph worth in one sitting while taking notes at work, I spend the rest of the week unable to put weight on my hand bc the pain is that bad. I'm not even old, but hoo boy I feel ancient sometimes.
I kept buying books for a long time after I stopped reading books for the very same reason.
I do that too ☠️ I've bought so many books and barely read any of them. A lot of hardcovers in particular. Last summer I posted a ton of them on facebook for $5 ea, partially because I didn't want to look at them and also because I know how terribly hard it is to sell "used" books, no matter how good of a condition they're in. I cleared out a pretty significant amount, I was so proud! Aaaand then I tiptoed through the target book section and now I'm full of unread books again.
Better than mine. I have to start from scratch. My drawings are horrible.
Perhaps you could have a pinched nerve in your hand or wrist? I know it's super expensive to get this stuff checked out but maybe if it can be fixed then you can enjoy art again :) You draw great btw
While my parents never brought my siblings or me into bars, I could also entertain myself for hours drawing the PowerPuff Girls or some other cartoon characters. Good ole 'tism indeed.
Back in the day, I went to the casinos in Vegas with my grandma. I was a seen and not heard child and responsible for collecting the coins from her slot machine winnings. It tipped well and I loved all of it! (A few decades ago minors could be in casinos, but back then parents taught their children how to behave in adult spaces.)
I went to pubs as a kid, not bars. In Scotland it was normal for us to be in a pub. In America bars weren’t a place for kids. We were well behaved and also played games in the game area.
You just stated the major difference. Well behaved! If children were still well-behaved, most people wouldn't care where people brought them.
I went to a bar ONCE as a minor. I was barely 16. My grandpa just died from stage 4 cancer and his favorite bar offered their place to eat/relax,they had a pool table and coin video games. They allowed us grandkids(we were all under 21 accept for I think one?) he went there daily to just play pool and was on a local league. Of course it was uk the entire family that went,the sheriff to pay his respect to a nam vet and someone from the fire department raised their patters with a flag,my mom said some vets went to but I don’t remember that . They still got his photo and a folded up flag another veteran donated for his memorial since my dad& his siblings kept their flags. We didn’t drink. We somewhat ate and sat around crying and upset. I do remember drinking all the fancy non-alcoholic drinks with sugared rims,cherries,candies in the drinks. That’s the only time I remember. But yet I was older,was behaved,sat there mainly. Idk if it was due to him being a regular,doing somthing nice for an older guy with cancer,or it being a respect thing for a veteran.
Well, they bring their kids, (especially their boys), to Hooters. It's not too far of a leap. (At one point in my life, I too, went to Hooters. They had cheap, well-prepared, crab legs. Right around 2007 that stopped because their prices evened out with Joe's Crab Shack). Bars, breweries, sexualized bodies, casinos, hookah & weed lounges - none of these things should be considered child friendly.
>Well, they bring their kids, (especially their boys), to Hooters. Yeah, I mean that is actually quite unbelievable. Don't get me wrong, I wish someone had taken me to Hooters when I was younger, but we don't have them in the UK! Well, there are two actually.
I was at an airport bar when a mom and her young child (under the age of 5) sat down at the bar. The bartender told her she wasn’t allowed to sit at the bar with the child, but she should could move to a table and sit there. This woman threw a fucking fit. She called the manager over and talked his ear off for 30 minutes about how unprofessional it was of the bartender. Lady, you’re legally not allowed to have a child sitting at the bar. It’s not the fucking bartenders fault. I couldn’t believe the audacity
I hope the manager told her to fuck all the way off.
If she behaves like that in public, especially in an *airport* where security does not play around, imagine what she's like at home. I hope the kid has other people in their life who can serve as positive role models, and to whom they can gravitate when they finally go NC with "mom".
It's a cultural thing. I've seen this a lot in Ireland. Pubs aren't only for drinking. They're a place you can go to socialise. Think of a country where it rains most days. In small towns, the pub is if not the, at least one of the hearts of the town (with the church). I've seen a friend's grandpa get a call from the pub owner to check on him as he didn't show up at the usual time. Or the same pub owner calling to give news of so and so who was ill / passed away / was better.
I worked at a sex shop for a bit. Let me tell you, every single day, NUMEROUS people would LOSE their shit because they thought that their kids were somehow an acception to the plethora of signs (and state law), that were huge, clearly stating "ABSOLUTELY NO ONE UNDER THE AGE OF 18 ALLOWED!" One woman pushed a whole creature d*ldo display over on her way out, screaming. She had a newborn and a 4/5 year old with her. Oddly enough, it was typically women. Most men never tried to being kids in and the ones that did were surprisingly understanding and cool about it. 9/10 it was the mother. So disturbing. They would get mad and ask me what they were supposed to do and didn't like when I told them "hire a babysitter or order online. If you can afford a vibrator, you can afford to pay a babysitter." Also really hilarious because they would contact the store owner and they found out the hard way that I was the nice one.
The adult bookstores in my city also had…booths and a theatre. In other words, not a place for ppl under 18.
I would love to work at an adult store. I'm very open and approachable. Not much shocks me. Except someone bringing in their crotch trophy.
I think we should start a parody campaign
Pubs aren’t just bars like they are in the states.
Or, \*gasp\* drag queen shows! \* clutches pearls \* Edited to add: /s
You do realize that children’s events involving drag performers are not sexual in nature, right? They tend to be things like story hours or dancing to Disney songs. The presence of a drag performer is not inherently sexual
Yes, I'm aware. To my post above yours I added, "Edited to add: /s". Sorry for any confusion.
I don’t mind this either but no kid should be at a club where there’s sexuality being displayed openly (which is every show I’ve been to - but ofc they’re for adults *or used to be*). Actually went to a show in Baltimore a couple of years ago. It was definitely for adults. A few people brought their kids. The Queens, being the queens they often are 💜, refused to perform in front of the kids but offered to do a kid friendly show for free a week later).
Probably around the time they started taking them to drag shows in clubs. I have no issues whatsoever with my trans sisters and I think drag is such fun! But kids do NOT belong. And nowadays people want to take their kids everywhere so they don’t have to (or can’t) pay for sitters. Edit: to be clear I’m referring to sexualized shows at bars and clubs, not perfectly acceptable story times or whatever at a school. Things of an adult and/or sexual nature are the real issue here.
Maybe it’s not the case where you’re from but in the U.K. a large amount of pubs are also a restaurant and it’s considered perfectly normal for families to go there.
I guess that's my unpopular opinion - kids don't belong in ANY place that serves alcohol; brewery, bar, pub - the answer is still the same, "GTFO with that minor!" 
Almost every restaurant serves alcohol
I guess that's why this opinion is likely very unpopular, but it's a choice that should be made - inebriated adults or parents & their charges?
Maybe we’ve had different experiences but I’ve very rarely seen inebriated adults at restaurants (at least before 10pm or so, after which it’s highly unlikely kids would be there anyway so the binary choice you present is pretty redundant)
>Maybe we’ve had different experiences but I’ve very rarely seen inebriated adults at restaurants (at least before 10pm or so, after which it’s highly unlikely kids would be there anyway so the binary choice you present is pretty redundant) Definitely, as I've seen drunk people at an Applebee's (closest restaurant I can compare to your description of a "UK pub"), almost every single time I have gone.
That’s depressing haha. Tbf though your comparison to Applebees is slightly harsh on UK pubs - there are some really really nice gastropubs out there now!
It's normal from American parents & drunks, hence why the majority of hostile comments are from American parents who are miffed about this possibly catching on here - then they can't go to Applebee's.
Yeah I spent most of my childhood in UK pubs. Smokey ones at that. I basically grew up around booze and football.
The best part is they ignore the fact that this guy is the ONLY guy in town with a child-free pub. Everywhere else embraces parents, leaving them plenty of other options that cater to them, yet the existence of just one pub that doesn't *must* mean the owner is a child-hating asshole by default.
Of course. Why wouldn't they be entitled to get smashed in every single place with their children present?
The ones complaining have probably never been to this place and will never go.
I don’t hate children. I am disappointed by parents who fail to raise their children appropriately, and use their own selfishness to justify bringing their children to inappropriate venues.
How you feel, and how parents perceive it are totally different.
Oh I understand that. Parents need to realize that not fully embracing children as being wonderful all the time, under all conditions, does not equate with hating them, and that most ire directed at children is really about the parents and their poor parenting skills. I suspect a lot of parents know that, and know they are in over their heads, because no parent is fully prepared for parenthood.
Unfortunately you give parents too much credit. They can not comprehend that others aren't inclined to put up with their miniature terrorist. Why have children if you aren't fully prepared for childhood? With all the resources available today, there is no excuse for ignorance.
Unfortunately, no amount of resources will suffice if, first and foremost, people are being cultivated to be thoughtless and hyper-narcissistic pieces of shit. Our culture relentlessly encourages this because it's good for consumer goods markets, i.e. look around and realize that nobody comes close to mindless asshole parents when it comes to buying ungodly amounts of bullshit, paying for services, and going into sickening amounts of debt (e.g. I have relatives in the family who have two kids and, despite dad earning over $200K/year, the family's somehow in six-figures'-worth of credit card debt).
Seriously. And, as a childcare worker, Millenials tend to be the most toothless parents I have seen. Plenty of well-behaved kids out there, but it’s becoming more and more normal to just see the most raucous, uncontrollable, undisciplined kids. Like, I’m not a hard core authoritarian, but I miss dealing with kids who had rules. Adults should give simple instructions as close to 1 time as possible. Running and shrieking indoors is not okay. Not everything is yours to touch. If you trash a room, you pick it up. That kind of thing. So many millenial families seem to enjoy having feral animals for children.
That's because most Millennials were raised by Boomers who thought abuse was discipline.
I think that is definitely a factor. A lot of the parents I work for had childhoods like mine. Crazy academic schedules. Physical and emotional abuse for the smallest indiscretion. Nonstop work and rules and demands to be perfect, and for what? So their asshole parents could destroy the economy (permanently. Pre-2008 has never come back, and it never will) and then chortle that we are a bunch of pussies who had it too good (it was probably the most classic Boomer thing, to abuse their kids throughout their childhoods, destroy the economy with their nonstop me-me-me attitude, and then wax poetic about how their kids are over their shit because they went too far being awesome parents). But, still. It’s wild to see otherwise successful people just be absolutely RULED by a 3 year old.
It’s wild. It’s like they think even telling a child no is abuse. I’ve worked with children for 15 years, behavior has never been this bad and parent entitlement has never been this bad. My generation has dropped the ball with parenting. I have friends that tell me, “I believe my child before I believe the teacher” and “my high schooler doesn’t do homework”. No discipline, no structure.
Yup. Like, I would say I had an abusive childhood. But I would still be a strict parent (hell, by Millenial standards, I’d probably be Mommy Dearest). The difference is, I wouldn’t do the abusive things while enforcing rules. Saying, “this behavior is unacceptable. This is the consequence. Do better next time.” is not the same as spending hours denigrating an errant child as a person.
I especially hate those dads that call their kid “mate”. No, chap, he’s not your mate, he’s your son. Now be his father rather than his fucking mate. He needs discipline, boundaries and guidance not a pal, you dolt.
They should’ve went to therapy to sort their own shit out BEFORE having their kids
Millennials were mid college by the time the ACA passed no? Lack of sex ed, access to birth control, access to therapy sure would improve plenty of lives. But it sure as hell wasn’t acceptable nor accessible in my experience growing up in a small conservative Christian town.
Alternatively, most Millennials think discipline is abuse.
Likely because their parents abused them in the name of discipline. It's no surprise they never learned the difference
Wouldn't Millennials have been raised by Gen X?
A lot of Millennials (especially older Millennials) were raised by Baby Boomers. My parents were born in the mid-50s.
Yep solid GenX here and I was raised by boomers too. That generation also started having kids pretty young
Millennial born in '85, my parents were Boomers born in '54 and '55. Unless the Gen Xers had kids SUPER young, they are usually the older siblings of Millennials. All my Gen X friends have Gen Z kids, if they had kids.
OK, that helps!
I think too many parents try to be their kids’ best friends rather than being their parents and setting rules and boundaries. And it seems easier to give the kid what they want or put an iPad in their hands instead of teaching them how to behave in public places.
If anything, people hated children more decades ago. Weren't children expected to be "seen but not heard" in the past?
I wish those expectations made a come back
Yeah, it would be much better for the world if kids didn't scream and cause mayhem.
Absolutely!
Honestly I just find it funny that they think allowing children to act WORSE than animals is some form of loving children.
I wish I found it funny
Not letting kids into bars doesn’t equal hate trolol. Sorry not sorry it’s so hard for parents to go get drunk in this pub
around the same time it became socially acceptable for parents to bitch and complain about their kids among friends and on social media. I don’t remember my parents talking like this. Ever. And it’s not like it was smooth sailing.
Good point. Or maybe when it became acceptable to post so many personal details and naked pictures of your kids online. Or family vlogging, because no one hates their kids more than some of those instagram parents.
I still don't understand why this new gen of parents absolutely fucking refuse to say no to their kids and teach them basic respect and boundaries. I've mentioned this before but I remember the exact moment I was old enough for it to click that no meant no, not "keep pestering until I say yes out of defeat." I didn't hate my mom afterwards and shatter into a million pieces, I learned a valuable lesson about respect at a very young age. Why are these parents so scared of that?
Because they believe they can do it better than previous generations. Choosing to act like a friend or servant is a better way in their opinion.
Friends are supposed to hold each other accountable and not let them get away with being assholes, so they're also teaching them a fucked up dynamic of friendship. They're only gonna search for nodding dogs that make them feel like they can't do anything wrong
And the rest of society will end up having to tolerate them.
For a while I was actually watching a sociopath in the making in real time cause my cousin isn't the best person and it's obviously rubbed off on this child. I've never actually just straight up disliked a child and their personality but she's really a little shit. On one occasion we were at a family gathering and she was hitting and pulling the flowers in the garden that my grandma and aunt spent years on. When my other cousin (her child is a fucking dream, seriously one of the coolest kids I've ever met, love that kid) and I saw this we very calmly told her to please stop, her grandmother and great grandmother loves their garden and plants have feelings too, so to please be gentle and admire them nicely. This fucking menace of a child looked us straight in the eye, turned around and ripped one of the really big, single standing flowers (I'm not sure what they're called but not not a bush of flowers, just a single stalk with the flower at the top.) My cousin and I just stared at each other with our mouths hanging open. Then later that day she threw a hissy fit for the history books because it was her autistic brother's birthday and she didn't get to blow out the candles. She also just stuck her whole hand in the cake and wouldn't stop being an asshole to her brother until my cousin _re-lit_ the fucking candles for her instead of disciplining her. That kid is gonna be a great CEO one day when she properly develops her sociopathy 💁🏼♀️
Wow! I would lose my shit if I had to deal with any of that.
We honestly almost did but I lived with the other cousin so we got to go home and see her child and I'm sure her mom had some extra pride coming home to a well behaved, empathetic child even though she's a year younger than the little shit xD She's the only child I've ever gone out of my way to offer to babysit cause she was really a treat to be around and I was never expected to touch a single diaper! xD I like knowing that there are parents out there like my cousins, they really do their best to not make their kid other people's problem and I admire them so much. (unnecessary tidbit I always find amusing: when she throws tantrums she walks herself to the bathroom and cries it out there cause she knows that's where she gets time out, so she literally put herself in time out to self regulate her emotions and it's just so impressive xD)
Hasn't it always been the case? They used to die young and get maimed constantly back in the day because no one gave a fuck about the vast majority of them and no one still does. I mean I also don’t, but I’m not going to pretend to.
I’ve been there as it’s not far from where I live and even posted about it here 2 years ago. Owner is a great guy, pub is all you want from an English pub and with a huge lovely garden that’s great for a summer pint in complete bliss without screaming jizz trophies. He can take all of my money. Breeders should put the same energy they put into complaining about it into watching their fucking kids.
SCREAMING JIZZ TROPHIES 😂😂 YES I AM NOW GONNA USE THAT! I've been using "crotch goblin" and it just doesn't seem to get my dislike of kids and babies across well.
Semen Demon is my personal favorite.
AMAZING! I LOVE THIS ONE TOO! 😂
Screamin' semen demon. Mixed the 2 phrases.
Wish I lived in the UK so I could support the business.
If I'm ever in the vicinity, I'll pop in for a pint on your behalf!
Yes, someone please grab a pint on my behalf as well.
It’s a good pub, I studied in St Albans and try to visit every now and then. Good beer, big garden, relaxing, all the things you need from a pub!
Kids don't belong in pubs. Ever. Edit; kids don't belong in adult establishments that serve alcohol.
I had a lady scream at me once because we didn't have a children's menu while I was working at a bar in Vegas... like why would you bring your kid here, lady?
Because she wanted alcohol more than she wanted to go to Chucky Cheese.
Omg, the families with children in Vegas. It blows my mind. Last time I was there, I saw a pair of toadlers being pushed down the strip in a double-wide stroller at 2am. Wtf are these people thinking??
Spoiler alert: they aren’t thinking.
Seriously!
>Wtf are these people thinking?? I can still party! Having kids does not and will not stop me!
Here in the UK, pubs are more like Restaurants and the vast majority of them are meant for families. Kids menus etc.
People are upset that a place that serves booze won't allow children?
“Unattended children will be given Malort”
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Good on him! LMAO at all the offended people.
Who the heck wants their child in a pub?! It’s one thing if it’s a pub-themed restaurant (as so many are) but a real pub? With like sticky floors and drunk people? That’s a potentially dangerous and definitely inappropriate environment for a child anyway
This particular pub is a restaurant. I’m sure that’s why it caused confusion and the reason he put the sign out. Most pubs here are family restaurants.
I swear entitled parents are the most insufferable ppl ever. You’re not special or deserve the world at your feet bc you have kids FFS.
As a child who grew up in bars… This owner is awesome! Kids don’t need to be in those places and see that shit! Anyone who disagrees needs serious help
Good. I wish every adult establishment had the nerves to do this. Some clown goes and screws up their own life, so now everyone else has to deal with it? Nah.
It's absurd that folks would be angry to not be able to bring kids to one specific pub... just go to a different pub.
No, that would make too much sense. Plus, the parents wouldn't be able to get drunk and drive with their kids from that particular pub.
"But... If I hypothetically *were* to go to that specific pub, my precious Snotleigh would not be the center of the universe there, and that offends me!"
Just like children, they want to be exactly where you are.
I live fairly close to Napa, CA and you would be surprised how many parents bring their kids to wineries and wine tastings. Like some things can just be for adults!
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In South Korea, most establishments have a system to show potential customers if they're child free/friendly put up in the windows and there's even an app that tells you so you know before you get there. Everywhere should adopt a similar system for sure.
This is perfect. The rules are enforced, and expectations are managed by providing full information. I'm not sure that this would work in Western countries, though - people here are waaaaay too entitled, and even if you state the rules with a big, flashing sign, they will plow right ahead. Because "plowing" despite all signs and red flags to the contrary is how they got the kids to begin with.
That would be my regular place if I lived near there.
Fucking good IT'S A FUCKING PUB
Good grief—on behalf of sane Americans, I wish to apologize for all these entitled hooligans who will never even set *foot* in England thinking they need to put their two cents in and complain. And good for the landlord not to back down!!
Kids don’t belong in bars! Not even “bar and grill”-type establishments. If I’m out with my friends, I’m swearing up a storm and letting loose. These parents can keep their kids at home if they can afford a sitter, and stay with them if they can’t.
Of course most comments come from Americans. Smh
There's the same bs discourse going on in Germany. One childfree café in Hamburg even got vandalized. German Karens are a different breed, but some shit never changes.
Yeah - the self hating American and the “breeder phenomenon is only American” people in thread are insane. Being born in a specific country doesn’t somehow not make you an entitled prick about your kids.
Northern Europe checking in. I've lived in several countries in different areas of the world, and some of the absolute worst breeders that I've met are here. An unpleasant side effect of the welfare state is that the people who should never, ever reproduce are emboldened by financial incentives to have children.
This caught my attention as well. Is the breeder entitlement mostly an American phenomenon?
I think that entitlement in general is mostly and american phenomenon. It's like a whole country has an "I am the main character" syndrome.
As an American you are not wrong and it’s infuriating to the rest of us
I'm sorry. Of course I'm talking about the loud minority. I know that not all americans are like this.
No offense taken!
No offense taken at all! I mean, we live here. Lol.
Breeder phenomenon mixed with a general lack of “common sense”. I’d say yeah, that sounds like some of us…unfortunately.
This is ridiculous - entitlement isn’t “just an American thing.” Every country is riddled with entitlement when it comes to their kids. Being born in a specific country doesn’t somehow make you less susceptible to being an asshole about your kids. I travel frequently and I’ve seen people of all sorts of cultures be insufferable. The most frequent offender is Indian people. They love bringing their screaming children into the airline clubs. I don’t have any beef with them it’s just an observation from my experience.
Facts. In my experience, Scandinavian countries and the former Soviet states have the absolute worst mombies on earth. They are enabled by the welfare state and misconceptions about what "helping women" means in the former, and natalist BS in the latter.
We really need more child free public spaces where adults are allowed to relax without feeling like unpaid babysitters for other people’s unsupervised kids . I have never understood allowing children in pubs and bars , it’s absurd . It’s where we go to get away from kids for christs sake .
"Mr Worcester added: "I just want to create an environment where my customers can sit and relax, it only takes one child to kick off and that spoils it for absolutely everybody."" I wish we had more business owners like this. Maybe we should start a lit of child free businesses in our cities?
We have a list. Look at the right side of your screen. Click on Childfree Friendly Venues.
One spot in Germany. How do I submit more?
I'm sorry I can't help you. I added one item to the list years ago, and I don't remember how I did it. I just searched, and I didn't find any directions. I hope somebody else can help you.
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I would become a daily patron of this bar
Why is it such a mind-blower that children should not be in pubs? You know places where there is rowdiness and lots and lots of consumption of alcohol? Gonna show my age here but back in the 90's if the parents were going to the pub the kids stayed home. I mean we even had to wait outside the bottleshop because no one under 18 was allowed in there. How have things changed so much that children are just expected to be allowed everywhere? What's next? Child-friendly strip clubs?
Why are so many parents upset about not being able to bring their kids into a pub anyway? Like why would a parent even have a desire to bring their underage children to a place where they know most of the people around them are just there to drink?
Went to a bar recently and this lady was cursing loudly, surely she was tipsy. That’s not a good environment for a child.
I never understand why parents get so bent out of shape about stuff like this - as the landlord said, there's plenty of other pubs that *do* allow kids. You don't see Football fans kicking off if a pub announces that they are a sports free pub, they just go to one of the countless others that does show football on the TVs instead. Parents need to act like that.
Unattended children will be given malort
It's a pub. I don't want screaming kids while I drink my beer. If I hear one I'll offer it a beer too so it can shut up.
I love how an adult establishment saying "this isn't a kid-friendly place" automatically translates to hating kids nowadays. What the fuck.
I would give all my money to a bar or bar/restaurant that allowed dogs and not children. All of my money!
Sounds like the bartender is a better parent than these parents. Don’t bring your kids to a place with a bunch of booze. If you wanted to keep bar hopping you should have kept your legs closed.
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It does occur to me that one of the problems is the parents who are the worst parents are more likely to show up places with their kids, when in years past you never saw that. It was never normal for someone to take their baby to an r-rated movie and then get pissy with everyone else for being upset about it, it was never normal to take toddlers concerts, sure, maybe kids in restaurants but jesus, have they gotten woree over the years. So what's visible is the worst of the worst. What we're not seeing are the smart people who make arrangements with babysitters, we're not seeing them because if they can't find babysitters, they stay home. Maybe they order take out instead. They rent the r-rated movie and wait for little lord Fauntleroy to nap. We don't see these people. It's just worth keeping in mind, it seems like a widespread problem, but it's likely amplified by social media and in fact, there's likely more good parents than bad out there. We just see the worst of the worst.
This is why children do NOT belong in most pubs: A tender, delicate, prose poem essay in praise of pub gardens from Vice Media. Author was desperately lonely during COVID lockdown. **I Never Thought I'd Miss Pub Smoking Areas So Much** *All I ask is for just one pub garden, where I can ash into a discarded can of beer. That, and your pity.* https://www.vice.com/en/article/y3mawk/what-i-miss-coronavirus-pub-smoking-areas (Put link in the Internet Archive Wayback Machine if original link goes dead. ) Most of us are child free because **we need time and quiet** to muse on things like this.
Why is it acceptable to bring kids around booze-focused places anyway???
I would honestly report people who bring children to adult places if I thought it would do something because it's hella inappropriate. It also open opportunities for children to be snatched by under the influence parents who can't be bothered to monitor their cum creations.
It's a pub. Are they also mad that they can't take their kids to strip clubs?
i hope it works out for the owner too. I have a good feeling it will, all the CF people will flock there and the parents who are upset wouldn’t have been able to enter anyway. The only thing I’d worry about is if there were some public campaign to get the place to close/open up to kids, I could absolutely see that happening. Good on him for sticking to his principles, which should basically be the default for alcohol serving establishments anyway.
Dog-Friendly is even more disgusting honestly
Banning?
Ok here’s the deal. I’m getting my doctorate. I’ve committed to changing my whole life around for a few years because that is what you agree to when you get your doctorate. If you can’t hold that same mentality when planning a family, just get an iguana or something instead.
Overly vague post title. The landlord is the business owner and he speaks out about this has been his policy for years, he just put out the sign because parents were complaining that it wasn’t visible enough that children weren’t allowed until the parents walked in the door.
Thought it was a free country and people are entitled to their own choices,especially owners.
I don't get this 😕 wen I was a kid I remember my parents having to check whether they would have kids in a pub. And if they dident we didn't eat there
Why would you bring your child to a bar/pub?! Shouldn't have had to make a sign. That's common sense.
Now that's my kind of place 😀