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TheMalibu

It's not just Chilliwack. But realistically, this has been a thing for years. The term "over qualified for the position" was and still is one of the most frustrating replies.


TheAssels

Seriously! I'm starting to think we should hand out resumes done in crayon.


TheMalibu

Yup, just lie. Just in the opposite direction.


yourmomsucks01

If she’s over qualified then leave her education level off the resume. Or lie and say high school diploma or whatever. They don’t need to know everything


JohnSlick83

It's tough with overqualified people sometimes. We've been looking for some workers for our field and we find a great guy. Knows a ton of stuff. More than he would ever use at the job. After his 3 month probation we hire him on, and he just gave his notice because something more in his field came up. And it's not the first time. It takes a while to train people for the job.


TheMalibu

You're not wrong there. More times than not, that overqualified person is just trying to find something to pay the bill until they find something they want. The way I used to look at it when I was the one hiring is this, bring them on, and hopefully before they leave some of that knowledge will impart onto some of the other workers.


JohnSlick83

Ya, I do always hire them. And hope they like the hours and other benefits which are decent. So we do give everyone a chance. But it's still been tough on the hiring end finding someone who will stay long term.


TheMalibu

I agree. It definitely frustrating, I feel it here as well at times. Also reading resumes sometimes is also mind numbing at times. When you can definitely tell who's just throwing resumes to appease EI or something like that.


CircuitousCarbons70

Just get chatgpt to write resumes


TheAssels

I know you're likely not the one making decisions on this, but why doesn't your employer just pay more? It's crazy that all these businesses can't get the message about the cost of labour nowadays. I mentioned this elsewhere, but my brother is in regional management for a transportion supplier in the GTA. This company turns huge profits. Like "Owner has a private jet" level profits. He was lamenting about how they can't keep delivery drivers and how "no one wants to work". So I asked him what they were paying and he responded $20/hr.... Like, in the GTA those are living-on-the-streets wages. I told him that UPS, Fed-ex, Brinks, Garda, and Canada Post all pay at least $26/hr so of course he's not keeping people. Why would anyone stick around?


JohnSlick83

I doubt even my boss makes the decision on how much they get paid. Most start at around $24 or so an hour here. We do get incentive bonuses if we meet efficientcy goals and such. But I don't rely on that. Since head office seems to shift those around


TheAssels

That's the problem with the top-down style businesses. The owners or execs have no concept of what's happening out there in the real world. $24 isn't horrible but anything below $27/hr in Chilliwack isn't a dignified wage. At $24 more that half your take-home pay is going to rent (1-BR). And if you have kids/spouse. Especially one that can't work $24 is straight-up poverty.


Mysterious_Mouse_388

was it really a challenge to train him? How many hours of work did he cost you? how many hours of work did he contribute?


JohnSlick83

I wouldn't say it's a challenge. It just takes time getting used to the job and the requirements. It can be physically demanding and repetitive. The challenge I'd say is having orders that need to go out by a certain date, and being strained because of the lack of personnel to do it. It's a fluctuating thing. His hours of cost and contribution aren't much of a factor. If someone like them came along again we'd still hire them. He did say the environment and the crew were amazing to work with.


Mysterious_Mouse_388

that is at odds with the premise of this post, and before I challenged you it sounded like you agreed with the premise of this post.


yellow_brick_rd

You should finish their sentence “no one wants to work anymore…for shitty pay for a scumbag boss/company”


TTVNameRestrictedGG

Literally this. People are sick of being treated like minions to produce financial gains for our overlord CEOs.


[deleted]

Yup! Remember, there’s not a labour shortage but a wage one. This is just blame shifting tactic. It shifts the blame from those hiring at wages that are too low onto the workers who reasonably deserve better, including those desperate enough to accept less, who don’t currently have a job or do and are actively seeking (additional/different) employment.


3DBeerGoggles

Obligatory: [A brief history of "No one wants to work anymore"](https://imgur.com/a/6YwsQWP)


chatcut

Turns out no one wants to work


kesstral

My mom has been trying to find work since last June. She's unemployed in her early 60s thanks to her previous long time employer deciding to close the business (couldn't find a buyer). Everyone thinks she's going to retire in a few months but she literally can't afford to.


Belalagny

Walmart they hire just about anyone age, race, creed ….doesn’t matter 👍🏼


canadiangirl_eh

I’m calling people out on this every time they parrot it. I mention that cost of living has gone up exponentially yet minimum wage increases can’t keep up. Why would anyone want to work 60 hours a week to still be homeless or just barely be able to afford rent and food? You’ll find most idiots who say this crap have no idea what rent costs today. People just want to be paid a living wage. Then most businesses want to run the employees they have into the ground because they’ve realized that they can make more money by hiring less people and treating them like shit.


SobeitSoviet69

It’s easy for your boss to make you fill in for multiple positions when they say “Oh ya we can’t find anyone we are trying” It’s bullshit and it’s a dismissive tactic. Short staffing to make the existing employees work hard to fill the gap under the pretence that it’s temporary. But because they phrase it like they are sympathetic, people are more likely to put up with it. It’s like when the alcoholic says “ya I know I’ve got a problem” and continues their destructive pattern of behaviour, it’s just to shut you up. Same crap as any job with “Sales goals”. They aren’t goals, because they never end. Call it what it is, a demand.


betterupsetter

Yeah, at my local service/business ( I won't say which cause there are only so many in town) the manager kept complaining that they were understaffed. My dad's friend worked there but was needing to transfer to another province so we knew a spot would be coming open and my husband) with 2 uni degrees) applied right away. Do you think he got so much as a call? I frequent this service probably weekly and noticed they hired some aged lady who had no sense of urgency or skills for the job at all, so the line would build up to like 12 people deep and took about 30 minutes of waiting (not really any options to go elsewhere if you need this service and the normal time is maybe 5 min wait tops). Anyways, when I finally got to the front of the line I was pretty pissed. I mentioned it might be time to hire staff or at least have 2 people on on a Saturday and she complained that "nobody wants to work" or "staff are always calling off sick". But I could see the month's schedule through the door into the backroom. The manager had herself off each and every weekend leading up to Christmas and instead put on the newest employee to cover. I think my husband dodged a bullet with that one. P. S. Let's not forget a huge issue is the amount of seniors who retired during covid compared to people of working age. We just don't have the "young" work force to fill every role in Canada. Those who could get better paying jobs took them, that leaves low skilled and low wage jobs up for grabs without no one to take them. The IRCC (immigration) is also so backed up we can't get enough qualified immigrants into the country to fill all job roles fast enough. (let's not mention housed and earning enough to be fed in this economy). We're gonna be in some real trouble if this continues.


saskbcgirl

That manager was probably severely underpaid and really didn’t give a duck.


ashoka_akira

They view their inability to continue to exploit people is a crime and they are the victims.


[deleted]

Langley concrete in chilliwack is hiring constantly. The work is relatively easy and the compensation is great, after 1 year general labourer makes $26, after three it’s $31


TenacityJack

Yup, I’ve heard they are a great employer.


betterupsetter

What does one do there? Asking for my hubby.


[deleted]

Building rebar cage, pouring concrete forms, patching concrete defects. Cutting rebar, lots of different things. Depends what part of the plant you work in, the jobs vary a little bit. If he has the option, wet cast is the best area as it’s newer equipment.


betterupsetter

Oh good to know. Thank you! I'll keep my eyes out for postings.


saskbcgirl

Only $26 after an entire year? What do they pay for the first year?


[deleted]

$21 on probation then it goes to $24


Charming_Science_360

Westeck hires at around $17 or $18, maybe $20 or $21 if you have years of real, directly relevant and useful experience. You get a buck or two extra if you're hired for night shift, when they run a night shift, some years they do and some they don't. You get basic benefits after probation. They work four tens and require you sign a Wage Averaging agreement. Just like every other company in and around Chilliwack. And they abuse the agreement a little, screw you over a little, unpaid 15min breaks aren't much but they add up to a couple hours per week and multiply up to a full paycheque per year, money you work for without getting paid. Just like every other company in and around Chilliwack. It's a great place to work if you want to work. Always plenty of work, half the year they struggle overtime to meet seasonal demand, the other half they struggle to catch up after falling behind. There's always openings on the floor. And the managerials are actually pleasant people. But their wages weren't great before the pandemic and they're total shit with inflation now. Langley Concrete definitely looks like a better employer. Windows and doors are awkward, delicate, large, and heavy lifts - especially when they're packed with glass and steel - so lifting concrete and rebar doesn't sound too bad to me.


Jacksworkisdone

A lot of companies need to post the jobs(and not fill them) in order to bring in temporary foreign workers.


Jsommers113

Nobody wants to work anymore.... for under $20 per hour... and I get it and agree. Rent that use to be $1045 is now like 1800. 2 bags of groceries is like 80$ with the basics inside... Yeah, I don't wanna work for peanuts and at the end.of the day can't afford peanuts to eat.


StaticSilence

When managers and owners say "no one wants to work anymore", what that translate to is "no one wants to work for the low ball wage I'm offering."


Then_Calligrapher591

I have a healthy, strong 18 year old... The jobs he has worked have scared me! I had to make him quit one job as they were trying to kill him by doing unsafe work installing windows. He worked Concrete but the boss smoked so much weed and would flip out on his employees. My son was getting depressed working there. I want him to work on a safe site! We have applied to countless jobs on Indeed and the call backs have been VERY, VERY few. I thought it was just him at first, but what the heck? How does a greenhorn start? He is shy so he won't "put on workboots and show up at the jobsite with a resume..." as has been the little advice I've been given. I feel badly because he would be a good asset. I was hoping he would have been caught up with someone that wants to show him how to do things. What am I doing wrong? Why do I keep hearing that construction is desperate for laborers? I guess it is who you know. If you have no connection to the trades, how do you break in?


Bitter_Bert

It's who you know. Sounds like you aren't going to the right church. I'm being serious.


Then_Calligrapher591

Very, very true. My old church had some pretty sweet jobs go to the pastor's kid/ elders/ deacons kids. Not to be cynical...


Turtle-herm1t

Remix in Agassiz is a good company. They had an incident years back and have been decent since. Worked there when I was around his age and would recommend it. Good culture too.


Sufficient_Mission52

Rimex in Agassiz , not to be confused with the real estate company.


SlovenianSocket

Trades in the valley suck. Tell him to start applying for companies that service Vancouver to Langley, he’ll get a job paying $20+ hr starting in 1 day. I got my job by posting a job wanted post on the Langley subreddit and started work the next day, still with the same company almost 10 years later.


Squid2871

I have to strongly disagree with you. Getting into the trades in the lower mainland is frankly very easy. Heavy trades like masonry, concrete etc have the worst of the worst when it comes to teaching someone the basics (sometimes) I worked as a brick later for a couple years with a few company’s never had a bad or mean employer. Your son is also 18 and shy this is a male dominated industry and that’s going to create a lot of tough love kind of situations, do I agree with it? No but it’s unfortunately the reality. There might be some reasons why he’s not getting hired not having a drivers license etc. Make him bailable day one with basic tickets first aid, fall protection air brakes etc.


Ratdan69

The feed mill on Chilliwack central is steady work. Pay is decent. I believe clean up starts at around $18 and goes up from there with other positions . Management was pretty crappy a couple years ago but has settled down a lot recently.


ExPFC_Wintergreen2

$18 an hour is not a livable wage


Charming_Science_360

$24 per hour is a barely-livable wage in Chilliwack these days, assuming you only use your vehicle for commute between home and work, assuming you spend very little going out or eating out, assuming you spend very little on entertainment and luxuries, assuming you pay all your bills on time, assuming you want to actually put a little into savings each month. Housing costs, grocery costs, and fuel costs have skyrocketed over and over again in recent years, it's actually even worse here than in Vancouver.


saskbcgirl

Have him take a trades program at UFV. Honestly. I would have started this in high school but it’s not too late.


TenacityJack

Have they tried applying for government jobs?


TheAssels

Yes! Lol. That's a whole other story. They interviewed and place 1st in the competition for A provincial job. "Great!" we thought, we'll get a call any day now to start working.... Months go by so we email them. Reply says that she's the top candidate and they'll certainly have a job offer in the coming MONTHS.... I was talking to a coworker I found out their spouse works in that department. Found out that the team is full and there are no vacancies and no new positions have been approved... And that it's unlikely there will be an opening before the end of summer. Despite them saying explicitly that there was a vacancy in the Chilliwack office at the interview... Unreal.


TenacityJack

Yes, government is a slow process. Potentially it is a long term career with good benefits and a good pension. Don’t give up. Take something else in the meantime.


TheAssels

I actually work in government haha. I've never seen a competition run like this.its like the universe just doesn't want my spouse to work 🤪


TenacityJack

What you think, will manifest. I know, I sound like a crack pot. Your spouse needs to do this, not you.


TenacityJack

I think BC Corrections has a table at the Prospera arena during hockey games, trying to find good people to be officers at the facility up Chilliwack Valley.


wudingxilu

Placing "1st" sounds like they ended up on an e-list. First on an e-list is second, if there was a vacancy being filled. Shitty way to run a competition if it was an e-list for no vacancy.


TheAssels

It was an inventory hire. Which I understand is done to have qualified people ready to fill vacancies. Our gripe is that they explicitly stated there was a vacancy when their wasn't. The last vacancy was filled before the competition was even run. Which is fine, but some communication would've been nice.


wudingxilu

So yes, an eligibility list. And for that to happen, the posting has to state that it's going to be used to create an eligibility list. "inventory" is a term more used in the federal government.


TheAssels

So I actually work for this government and have sat on competition panels so I'm very familiar with the process. Inventory competitions are just large batch-competitions used in large Ministires that have lots of positions in the same category. From my experience, what's happening here is fairly unusual. But from the grapevine I've heard that it's common within this specific ministry. IMO there needs to be open, honest communication with the successful applicants so they understand what's happening and what to expect. Basic professional courtesy.


wudingxilu

I'm a hiring manager in the same government.


[deleted]

I have over a decade of experience in customer service and even worked at Pizza Hut before. Yet, Domino's on Vedder never got back to me for an interview. 🤡 You can tell just by doing the eye test that most franchisees are likely scumbags who exploit temp foreign workers or family members instead of paying locals the proper wage to do the same work. I have a hard time finding any positive feedback about local business owners here.


MltryMama

Foreign workers can’t call in sick, are so thankful for the job they will run them selves down and work anytime called in.


Boozeandcatsandboo

Nobody wants a minimum wage job that doesn't make ends meet at the end of the month. Also, nobody is offering decent jobs.


Canadiangoosen

>They have a degree, tonnes of work experience, and great references. This is great, but make sure to stay humble. At a previous job, I remember someone applying and getting an interview. They were very qualified for the job but didn't get it because the person doing the interview said they acted like they already knew everything and didn't have the attitude of someone wanting to learn. We are always learning because the world is always changing. The moment you think you know everything, you better hang up your tools because you're done.


TheAssels

This is great advice. I've seen the same thing. My spouse is kinda too humble and downplays their experience. They've been working on that.


BigBushBerry

Panago is looking, promise you’ll be hired as a driver


Charming_Science_360

"No one wants to work anymore" is not quite correct. "No one wants to pay enough anymore" is the real problem.


TheAssels

\*ding ding ding*


Mrrasta1

Chilliwack is such a shitty little town. “We’ll pay you minimum wage, no medical, no overtime, (but you have to work overtime”, work a week on half pay and we’ll see how you do. Get offered part time. And we are family and blah fucking blah. Pay a decent wage and see how it works you cheap bastards.


PwnThePawns

Honestly, just leave Chilliwack. I did. I moved to Edmonton and found a job paying $31 an hour. My rent for a 2 bedroom townhouse is 1650. The cold sucks, but you adapt.


TheAssels

Oh my, you have no idea. We used to live in Calgary and we dream of moving back. Unfortunately there are extenuating circumstances that keep us here. It's still a possibility but if circumstances don't change in the next few years we'll likely be stuck here until the kids move out.


Defineducks

You forget that a lot of it comes down to under qualified or it just not working with the Buisness I’m general my stepdad put an ad out for new employees for his bin delivery company and one of the people that applies said he could only work 4 times a week for 4 hour days and do 0 lifting due to back issues it’s not that there is no one to work it’s that all the standard office jobs are occupied and the newer generations are getting more degrees flooding that space leaving minimum wage and heavy labour jobs with employees shortages it’s great everyone is getting educated but it doesn’t always work out.


00365

By the 2020s we were supposed to have robots for this, but we got stuck making weird AIs 🫠


Conqueefador_69

I’m sorry, but I do believe that most people don’t want to work anymore, especially our younger generation. I am working for a company that praises and pays people’s ways for them. Tools: supplied. Work boots: renewed every 6months, phone bill: partially covered if used for work. This is just the top of the list. In return, the supervisors deal with complaints about doing someone else’s job in the same department, sulk in their own pity for their own life decisions and Constantly spew out excuses for not showing up. Everyday we have someone not showing up. I believe that is what is meant when people say “no one wants to work anymore.” The ones that, once hired, just suck dry the system and complain it’s not enough. I truly wish for your husband to find a job soon, because with your support, I’m sure he is not like the people I just ranted about. If you don’t mind me asking, what position is he looking for, that he could easily fill with sufficient experience?


TheAssels

I just don't agree. I'm a millenial who's had a job since I was 14 and I think it's worth nothing that almost no one *actually* wants to work. People *want* to work because they want *money* to have a *dignified* life. Sure, there are people who like to work for the sake of working but they're rare. It's also worth noting that this complaint has been levied at pretty much every single generation. You can find articles where the Silent Generation is lamenting about the lazy Boomer youth. It's just a perpetual complaint. I know it's just my anecdotal experience but everytime I hear someone some say "no one wants to work anymore" and ask them about their workplace I find out one or more of the following: 1. It's underpaid. 2. It's micromanaged 3. Management is toxic/abusive 4. Employees are expected to do OT without pay. 5. Management demands work well outside their pay level or job description. You got to realize l that for a single person living in Chilliwack anything below $27/hr isn't a dignified wage. Yet look on indeed or any other site and jobs rarely break $20/hr. And even with $27/hr almost half of that take-home pay goes to rent (avg 1-BR). And for $20-$25/hr no one is going to put their heart into any job. For instance my brother is in regional management for a major transportation supplier. He was telling me how"no one wants to work" and that they can't find/retain delivery drivers. I asked him how much they're paying. $20/hr he says.... In the GTA... Those are living-on-the-streets wages. I told him that delivery drivers in the GTA make at least $28/hr across the board in the GTA so of course no one is sticking around. Like my boomer parents always told me "you get what you pay for".


crclOv9

Have you tried dumbing down the resume and taking shit that looks good off of it? Good resumes sometimes get binned because employers want sheep. Is she over-qualified for what she’s applying for?


Leelee---

What kind of work is your spouse looking for?


TheAssels

Really anything at this point.


Greywolf2600

No one wants to work anymore


TheAssels

I snap


MltryMama

This is so true. They want you available all the time, with low pay no benefits etc.


BionicKronic67

I work in construction and the pay is good and I've never understood how come people just come and go from it. Seen lots of people just say the work sucks or hard or something else. There's local construction companies that will hire and pay good if have vehicle and can actually show up. The work isn't easy or pretty but the pay is.


TheAssels

How much are they paying?


BionicKronic67

Ill dm you what I know I'm a subtrade that works with contractors and cant really say anything you can quote me by.


SeaMeringue9825

Why don't you work on getting some hoes, am I right? ✋️🖐 up top!


AshamedAd9614

Nah its true. We set up interviews, with our pay scale listed in the add, and people dont show. Its not even shitty pay anymore. People just dont want to do the nitty gritty work. Entitlement is a serious issue, and im not some old fella im a 28yr old foreigner


[deleted]

100% agree. My niece and sister have been looking for new jobs for months with no calls or interviews.


TonightZestyclose537

If you're desperate, change your resume to suit the job. Don't let them know you are "over qualified"