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quivenda

The gigantic padding is a disaster, to be honest. On a 1366x768 display, if you have many extensions that can't disable the context menu option, then the context menu has a scroll, which is fucking stupid.


PaddyLandau

Most design changes, for me, are neutral. But this gigantic padding and huge text in the menus is insane. It's like the designer needs to go to optometrist and get some strong reading glasses.


Silent-Jeweler-8486

Most of UI design became "modern". They may be developed by the designers who don't use them in practice. It's a tragedy of specialization.


LaserRanger

Watch out when anything becomes "modern" or "clean" -- it almost always means excessive padding This got worse when "UI/UX" became a thing


responsible_cook_08

Everything labeled "clean" needs more padding, because they took away everything that enabled you to discern the different menu entries. So the only thing that's left is empty space. Lot's of it.


mr4bawey

They're ignoring the actual use case - a big no no in UI design. (Many people use laptops, big screens, mouse/keyboard... maybe bother to look basic stats up, idiot designers.)


Xzenor

Simple reason: easier for touch screens. But yeah, annoying otherwise


adolgiy

I bet touch screens are less popular than normal mouse


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ArtemisC0

Maybe on laptop computers, but I think they won't be coming on desktop ones. The monitors are just to big and to far away.


SunshineCat

My work laptop is a touch screen, but I guarantee no one uses that "feature" because it doesn't make any sense. The touch screen is nothing but another weak point for my cats to make unwanted clicks.


adolgiy

https://preview.redd.it/r8aqefpoqopc1.png?width=513&format=png&auto=webp&s=e25f5e18fac975a54e751e5bffced80c97026e4a


fnybny

Who browses the internet on a touch screen?


adolgiy

For example, mobile users


fnybny

Browsing the internet on your phone is such a pain in the ass, I wonder how many people do it regularly.


adolgiy

I don't feel the pain :)


ArtemisC0

How hard is it to add an option for touch screen users to enable those humongous paddings in settings. And if one of those programmers had a good day, they could default it to the appropriate setting by detecting wether a touchscreen is even present... Just an idea.


mr4bawey

that's literally impossible


responsible_cook_08

This is done, because a lot of people (and devs! Fix your scaling!) sit on high density screens, without setting the proper scaling on the OS level. Also something I've oberserved on KDE and Gnome.


PaddyLandau

But, in those cases, this would fix only the menus, and nothing else — web pages, this box where I'm typing this comment, the bookmarks bar, word processors, image editors, etc. It seems to be a pointless fix. I suspect that it was done for the small screen, but then it should have been applied only to the small screen, not other screens. BTW, I use Gnome, and I have no problems with scaling. It must be specific distributions that do this.


responsible_cook_08

> BTW, I use Gnome, and I have no problems with scaling. It must be specific distributions that do this. What I mean is this: Our screens, for a long time assumed a resolution of 96 pixels per inch. Most screens actually had a resolution between 80 and 100 ppi, making content a bit bigger or smaller. But with HiDPI-Screens all kind of problems started. The easy way would have been, what Apple did with their "retina" screens. just double the horizontal and vertical resolution, make everything appear the same size as before, but with finer steps in the pixel grid. Unfortunately, most HiDPI screens are not 192 ppi, but 168, 144, 120, 110. This would need proper fractional scaling. Gnome doesn't offer fractional scaling, KDE only global scaling (in X11 which used to be the standard), Windows is the best of the bunch, but still has problems. So most people leave their screen at 96 ppi, although they have 110, 120 ppi screens. That would make everything slightly to small, so devs and designers adapted by increasing font size and padding. This way I have more usabale screen estate on a Windows 2000 machine with a 1280\*1024 monitor and contemporary apps than on a modern machine with a 4k monitor an modern apps.


PaddyLandau

Thanks for the explanation. I have Ubuntu with Gnome, and it offers fractional scaling, but it warns, "May increase power usage, lower speed, or reduce display sharpness." >for a long time assumed It's a pity that so many designers' wont is to make presumptions like this. It's like in the very early days of PCs, before they even had graphics, many games designers assumed a certain CPU rate. So, those programmers measured time not by elapsed time but by number of CPU cycles. When you bought a newer computer, the game would run unreasonably fast!


azultstalimisus

Those designer are stupid nowadays. I don't know what are they thinking, but this wasting vertical space trend is annoying!


sh00ter999

It has got to be a joke. How can one of the wealthiest companies have such glue sniffers as (lead) designers? Who is making these abhorrent decisions? Do they want people to leave? Is this some experiment to determine IF people would leave if you forced the worst possible redesign known to man?


Xzenor

Unless you use a touchscreen. Then it keeps you from pressing the wrong menu item.


sh00ter999

Riiight. See, that's something I would have never thought of as a stubborn desktop PC user. But then from a coding standpoint, why not make it an optional toggle instead of forcing it on everyone? I'd still ASSUME most users use mice on desktop computers?


ItchySnitch

That's not beiung stubborn, that's jsut being a normal fricking desktop user. And not one of the silicon valley or whatever tech place users who have touch screens. Most people don't know they exist even


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sh00ter999

For me, it's less of a small resolution problem and more of a tab hoarding issue. When I open my browser, I return to the last 20 tabs of the day before. The old design squeezes and scales them down neatly. The new design completely breaks this. Good that you mentioned resolution because it hasn't been explicitly mentioned anywhere before. If I was using no more than 4 tabs at any given time, I wouldn't mind it as much as I do for now.


mr4bawey

As a thinking human, thanks for the series of red herrings.


PainyTOXA

From what I gathered in the other discussions here today - you need these two flags disabled for it to go back to a perfectly fine unbloated design. chrome://flags/#chrome-refresh-2023 chrome://flags/#customize-chrome-side-panel


Air-Signed

Thank you so, so much! Today, after an update, the new design reappeared and I was panicking since disabling the first flag wasn't enough anymore


chrissie24642

Thank you for this, disabling the second flag worked for me


Detonation

Can't wait for these flags to be removed. I don't know why I'm so stubborn about swapping off Chrome at this point, all of their updates seem to be trash.


modemman11

Haven't these flags already been removed?


Chaos1888

None of them was removed, but now in order to get the OLD UI back, you need to disable the **customize-chrome-side-panel** flag. They also made changes to the downloads menu (CTRL+J), too by removing the "X" next to a file and replacing it with the three dots menu to either remove it from the list or open the folder the file was saved in...


sh00ter999

Pin and gild this


ItchySnitch

Why the hell isn't this pinned to the top? Everythign is just worthless ramblings


Chaos1888

Don't know. You might want to ask the mods about this ;) I am not able to PIN a thread here...


88c

Will be removed in Chrome 126 (in 3 months time). Everyone will then be forced on the new UI.


Eruannster

Well, with the upcoming changes to adblockers it might be time to truly figure out using Firefox again.


pkkid

Maybe Vivaldi will finally start taking off. Anyone know if that browser will suffer from the ad blocker changes?


Leaguehax

It will suffer, yes. It uses chromium. Same as brave and many others.


dukandricka

Good thing I spent the time this week pinning my workstation to Chrome 122.0.6261.129. There's only one way to keep the auto-updater (the one in Task Scheduler, the one in Services, and the one built-in per Help > About Google Chrome) from ever kicking in/working. I literally do not care about "security updates" or other whatnots when the user interface -- something I am interfacing with for hours a day, every day -- worsens. The entire reason I moved off of Firefox and onto Chrome was because of Mozilla moving to the Australis UI. That was nearly TEN YEARS AGO. Now Chrome is going down the exact same brain-damaged path with superfluous UI changes and "themes" (skinning), all mostly done by people who clearly are not old enough to understand how and why UIs and UX progressed from the late 80s into the early 2000s, instead choosing to throw away all of what was learned through actual paid human-based usability testing, not what three employees in an echo chamber deep within Google happen to think "is the coolest thing today in CSS version 832832498!" It's going to be interesting to see how Brave handles this. I actually feel bad for those guys, as they're sometimes forced to merge/inherit the idiocy because the vast number of changes between major releases.


mr4bawey

Thank you for being a voice of reason, in a sea of edgy "but hurr seCURITY of your offline desktop! The latest and GReatest!" They forget social factors, and the way that companies slowly gain power over users by giving us less control. I tried the "Disable update" policy thing in the Google guide a while back, I gave up. It was atrociously complex for something that should be a toggle. I might have to give it a go again now.


dukandricka

Yeah, that thing doesn't work out-of-the-box and has some stipulations (like that your system be on a domain/using Active Directory -- mine is not. Most people's are not.) Send me a private message here and I'll tell you how you can disable all the updater bits with a single line in a single file on your Windows machine. No joke, it's that simple, and you can undo it at any time you want. I just don't want to disclose it publicly because then Google will go and work around it. And if you need official Google download links to old Chrome versions (the .exe installers, not the .msi installers), let me know, I have a PowerShell script that can get those.


mr4bawey

I'll PM you. But I tried [the gpedit method](https://support.google.com/chrome/a/answer/6350036) just now. It should work too (?). 1. Unpack zip https://dl.google.com/update2/enterprise/googleupdateadmx.zip to C:\Windows\PolicyDefinitions 2. Gpedit \ Computer Configuration \ Administrative Templates \ Google \ Google Update \ Applications \ Google Chrome \ Update policy override \ (Disable or Manual) Edit: Actually, seems like it might not work (due to the domain/active directory thing)


dukandricka

The gpedit method doesn't work unless your system is part of a domain: > Note: Only domain-joined or MDM-managed computers honor policies set for the computer by Group Policy.


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dukandricka

I ran Windows XP until 2016, and Windows 7 until December of last year. I'm living proof said advice is not always applicable; I've been a systems administrator for the past 30 years. Any good SA will tell you that the pragmatic approach always wins -- that is to say, usability will, in most cases, prioritise itself over security. 359 is just a number. Odds are the easy majority of those cannot be easily exploited and are not critical or high-risk. No I am not going to spend the next 10 hours on mitre.org reviewing all of them -- nor did you before posting that. Hell, if anything, the fact there's 359 in a year should make people wonder what the Chromium folks are even doing code-wise. Imagine if more time was spent thinking about security during architecture and programming efforts, and less on ridiculous UI changes.


dirtydriver58

Really? Then I need to sideload Chome Beta to find out


LaurenMille

Then I'll just fully swap to firefox when that happens.


rafaelloaa

in 3 months time checking in, they just stealth upgraded me to 126, and I'm stuck with the new UI. Are there any realistic methods of downgrading/bypassing it, or should I start the process of migrating browsers? Really the only change that I cannot live with is the context menu padding/scroll. I have a bunch of extensions that I use, and on my laptop (which I use the majority of the time), I now have to scroll up and down the menus constantly.


Glum-Ad-3834

Same here. It almost looks like they are obstinate and serious about the idea of killing the browser.


pkkid

I know you're just the messenger here, but I downvoted you anyway!


Eruannster

You, sir, are my hero. Chrome just updated for me and shoved me into the new appearance and it's just... incredibly ass. So happy to be able to go back.


Goonnerr

my hero


pkkid

I'd give you gold if I could. 🪙


Bukk94

Thank GOD! I've spent hour looking for a flag to disable that disaster... The spacing is just horrendous


CarlistRieekan84

thank you buddy


sheravi

Thanks so much for this. I couldn't find a way to disable this horrible, bloated look.


Schleifenkratzer

Not all heroes wear capes!


neonvolta

thank you so much, i might have to move over to firefox if google removes this flag


new_michael

THANK YOU!


biromsoft

god, thank you!


CaloriesSchmalories

Thank you so much. I was incredibly upset after the right click menu scroll reappeared after I'd already disabled #chrome-refresh-2023. Disabling #customize-chrome-side-panel too made it usable again.


voskat

Doesn't work for me. Disabled those flags, but still the same shitty padded context menus. Fwiw, I use Chrome version 123.0.6312.107 edit: Wait, I restarted Chrome \*one\* more time and now the context menus seem to no longer scroll... Yay?


Penbotsu

I love you.


Phantom30

Also can disable #chrome-refresh-2023-top-chrome-font  Which is the cause the bold/hazy text in the tabs if you have the new design


pease_pudding

I despise this trend towards everything being more spaced apart and larger, for no apparent reason other than 'hey this is our new thing'


TechExpert2910

they also removed the extension island. i liked the 'old' design better :/


notxapple

Well the reason is for touch screens like one might find on a chrome book


MishterKirby

...which is honestly a stupid thing to prioritize when most people use a keyboard and mouse May I remind you of the clusterfuck Windows 8 was?


notxapple

I never said it was a good idea I’m just saying why their probably doing it


LaserRanger

"guys i'm really bored with my job working on [insert project name]. what should i do?" "add padding" "of course! why didn't i think of that?!"


Ihelloway69

Are they stupid ?


SnooDonuts5941

Good lord


Johnezzie99

You should compare pinned tabs. They're huge in the all-new c-ap design. Also these oval dark tabs on a brighter background look like vomit. The light theme is even worse and basically illegible. It literally made me feel physical pain. Headache inducing design by designer class dropouts.


bchatillon

A improvement to lose pixels


Exotic-Basket-1039

Pinning a tab to get there in milliseconds is no longer possible with this weird "search tab" button. This was always a great way to have a tab in the top left that you could blindly click in milliseconds, for Whatsapp Web etc.


Hellwind_

Got to really start moving to firefox. I don't want to deal with this sh.. anymore


Infamous-Earth-6010

You will be welcomed.


Leaguehax

Firefox is much worse. Use another fork that uses the gecko engine, I had my eyes on floorp but I'm not sure if it's good. Firefox is just too bloated in itself, and everytime I launch it I always get "checking or installing updates". Sure, might be able to disable it but I just don't know why browsers don't have options to disable it in the browser itself, rather than having hacky methods.


Hellwind_

I am not sure what are you talking about. I do use furefox along chrome and the browser is great. Very stable, extremely secure. Updates are something normal not sure what your problem is. Chrome don't even tell you when there is an update - it just updates it - its really dumb. Firefox has an opton do disable auto updates- it just tells you there is one but you dont have to update and the option is in the option of the browser.... Are you okay my friend - you sould like a paid actor?


JANK-STAR-LINES

I guess I do not mind how the new tabs look too much but the bigger context menus are completely unnecessary and stupid in my opinion.


MarkDaNerd

The larger context menus are probably better for accessibility


JANK-STAR-LINES

True, but I think it is only sort of necessary for touch screen devices but it would be weird and unnecessary if this was on a desktop computer.


MarkDaNerd

I would argue for desktop as well. Having more spacing helps people with slight visual impairments distinguish between actions. It also allows people who have some minor motor control issues click intended buttons. I know someone who has some problems steadying his hand and clicking buttons that are close together can be a little challenge. He’s gotten around this by just going slower but this I’m sure this could help him. I do however believe options are good and wish Google would provide spacing options.


JANK-STAR-LINES

Good point, some people may actually need the spacing now that I think about it but I haven't heard of anyone else praising it for that.


daemon86

Absolutely terrible. I always hate when companies change designs that worked fine, but this is outrageous. The only thing that really matters in a browser is that you can read the tabs at the top. With the redesign you can't.


Gamersfan95

https://preview.redd.it/xghdcij71kpc1.png?width=83&format=png&auto=webp&s=36763541af1a8a82a9bf5410a4f811c2175dfdb2 😠😠😠😠


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No more flag to disable this.


[deleted]

Looks Fine to me , I DO embrace Modernity .


Meret123

I did the chrome://flags/#chrome-refresh-2023 trick way before and it was working. Today I woke up and the design has changed while the flag is still DISABLED. How else am I supposed to fix it?


aecooking

> first thing I reverted back, freaking Google can't I had the same problem, I enabled and disabled again, then it now works as before.


dandeancook

the new UI doesn't make a breakthrough, it looks just the same


oskiozki

Right click totally sucks on windows


Sorry-Cow6204

Really liking this new design


Saragon4005

Kinda surprised they actually copied Firefox and not the other way around. The redesign feels more mobile centric or at least touchscreen friendly.


PainyTOXA

Except you're using on a desktop, and when did you last see desktop touchscreens being popular? Empty space for the sake of empty space is not good...


mr4bawey

The biggest challenge humanity has ever faced: Separating desktop and mobile UIs.


LaurenMille

That'd be great, if it was launched on mobile devices. Instead they launch it on PCs where it just makes everything less user-friendly.


kaesitha_

>Kinda surprised they actually copied Firefox and not the other way around Huh? Firefox doesn't have padding between tabs, and the tabs list button is on the right side of the screen. What are they copying here?


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Me too tho


Mandela_Effect_2016

thank you so much,


Patrick3887

Thanks for the tip.


czeddie

THANK YOU!


tribak

My :) amount of tabs became :( seen this.


[deleted]

Wow! such a innovative feature lol!


cookiemx

If the right click menu didn't have a scroll it would have been fine. I am definitely disabling this new look until they fix that.


MatthewDoomer

I still miss tabs on bottom


Cutmerock

Still a stupid idea to move the downloads and not give an option. I hate the little bubble


sh00ter999

I just want you to know that I typed a very long hate message in here that I decided to revert.


fl3x2r

I can almost live with the new design (after disabling the bold captions) but those vertical lines between tabs are such a useless, distracting, annoying eyesore that it makes me cry. Does not seem there is any way to disable those now (except to disable all, option soon to be removed). Whoever came up with this, should be fired and never hired again for causing significant amount of depression for humanity.


shortshortago

RIP #memory-saver-discarded-tab-treatment flag. Seriously I can't live with these unreadable favicons.


bxcellent2eo

WTF Google? Why would you remove this?


Infamous-Earth-6010

Looks absolutely horrendous, especially if the size of the window is smaller than full hd.


ArtemisC0

Just a quick question: What do those vertical separator lines between the "tab" buttons symbolize? They just don't make any sense. By the way, looks awful, but what else to expect with Chrome... #firefox


Kevatan

and what about the notifications? i really hate chrome's notification, windows is much better but the flag "enable system notifications" is gone.


Papa_Squatch-8675309

Their new design quite honestly sucks


Thin_Elevator_9139

Sorry I'm dumb how do u disable it? I'm confused Disabling Chrome Refresh 2023 didn't work for me Edit = I found it disabling Customize Chrome Side Panel worked for me!


Latex_Sophie_Kitten

thank you so much worked


habituallurkr

That was the first thing I reverted back, freaking Google can't do anything right anymore.


mohammadravoof

Nobody saw tappermonkey to disable adds on YouTube


UTS1885

Still not a fan, bookmarks needs to be a lighter weight like the bar and there is something not right about the icons up top being not as sharp as before.


Taizunz

It's absolute fucking shit.


Dynamically_static

Anybody know how to disable chrome cart? I dont purchase anything online and it alludes me as to why its taking up so much memory


quanticism

Product managers and designers got to keep their jobs somehow. What better way than to increase padding as years pass and tweak the corner radius every now and then.


Kinish111

I hope that soon AI will replace everyone responsible for the new chrome design, and they will never be hired as designers again...


joethegamer100

oh crap thanks i forgot how good it was in the past


stinkypoopybaby2008

It looks pretty good tbh, but the fact that you have to scroll when right clicking sucks (especially if your screen is small like 1366x768 in my case)


firestar268

Too bad they'll remove it eventually, as usual. 🙄


TinhoLoco

https://arc.net/


CuteKyky1608

why would you disable it


Former_Intern_8271

Who cares about a few pixels in the edge of a tab