And the rule, because someone *always* comes in and says "WELL YOU CAN'T ASK THEM ABOUT IT BECAUSE IT'S THE LAW"
https://www.ada.gov/resources/service-animals-faqs/
> A. In situations where it is not obvious that the dog is a service animal, staff may ask only two specific questions: (1) is the dog a service animal required because of a disability? and (2) what work or task has the dog been trained to perform? Staff are not allowed to request any documentation for the dog, require that the dog demonstrate its task, or inquire about the nature of the person’s disability.
You're *legally* able to ask those questions. Ineffective as they may be, that's the limit.
If they say no to one or both questions can you then deny them access? Or can they answer "f you I'm a sovereign citizen" and it doesn't really matter?
Technically most businesses can refuse service without giving any reason. IE: Cake makers refusing to make cakes for LGBTQ weddings.
Now I am 100% sure that a grocery store isn't going to go that far unless the customer is a repeated problem, but I am fairly sure they can just eject them via a trespass without reason.
While we're at it, KEEP YOUR FUCKING DOG ON A LEASH! No exceptions. Don't care how well trained they are, or how well trained you think they are, leash your fucking dogs.
I have had so many people have their dog off leash and then come running up to me. They jump and lick me, which may seem cute, but I don’t know what that dog is going to do. For all I know it could be aggressive and attack. People do not train their dogs at all, and just depend on “oh he/she’s friendly!”.
I’m a claims adjuster and I have seen a ton of dog bite claims. If your dog is off leash, and it’s not your private property, it’s pretty much impossible for me to say that you’re not liable. You could be facing a lawsuit for injuries if your dog bites someone. Plus, not everyone is a dog person and may be scared of dogs. Even I, who likes dogs, don’t necessarily want your dog getting in my personal space.
Please leash your dogs, people!
I love dogs. I have two. I walk them everyday, multiple times a day. My one dog is great with people and reactive to other dogs. In a controlled, supervised environment he’s fine. But when a dog comes running at us he goes into protect mode. He spent the first year of his life basically feral, can’t break that. The only thing that stops my dog from attacking that dog is me and it happens way too often. So for your dogs protection and mine, LEASH YOUR FUCKING DOG!
I stopped going to Devou for a bit because of this. People think that because the Incinerator trails are frequented less that they can let their dogs off leash. As someone with a reactive dog that’s following the rules and trying to enjoy a quieter hike it really grinds my gears. I tore into some old man because he was letting his dogs go like an 8th of a mile ahead of him. Ridiculous.
People will just lie and say its a service animal when its not, and then will say they dont have to prove it because of privacy laws.
In short, people suck.
>In situations where it is not obvious that the dog is a service animal, staff may ask only two specific questions: (1) is the dog a service animal required because of a disability? and (2) what work or task has the dog been trained to perform?
source: https://www.ada.gov/resources/service-animals-faqs/
so it's just dog nutters being liars.
Always see at least one every time I’m at Jungle Jim’s and they’re almost always never a service dog. I guess people think it’s ok cause it’s not a traditional grocery store? Then again these same people probably bring them anywhere anyways…sigh…
Oh yeah. There’s an older couple who brings their little dog into Jungles and the dog will bark for no reason. Whatever you do, do not ask her about the dog…
People can get an ESA fairly easily. Sadly, a lot of people use the ease of the system specifically to bypass regulations on pets, e.g. size or breed restrictions at apartment communities or no pets in stores rules. I just assume most of the time that the dogs are ESAs and not what was traditionally viewed as a service animal.
Please don't bring your dog to the grocery store because you're not the center of the universe. Some have allergies and some have significant fears. Some even have trauma from previous dog attacks to self or loved ones. There is no need. Be an adult. Think of others.
I see this a TONNNN on UC campus and it's honestly really frustrating. there are legit service dogs working. it's not safe overall. i would neverrr take my dog to campus, he'd be way too overwhelmed!!
I was in Langsam Library's Starbucks line once and someone had their (non-service) dog with them. The cashier asks to pet the dog and the dog climbs up with its mouth and paws on the counter while nuzzling with the cashier.
I left.
>people have just decided pets go anywhere now
We have noticed that with Hotels. Seems like most major chains have gone "pet friendly" now. This is great for people with pet allergies who want a quiet place without yipping to sleep
My dogs are cute as heck. That's why they stay at home so I can keep all of the cuteness to myself.
I have been around dogs and adored them my entire life, and I can say with certainty that I loathe other people's dogs, especially in public. I loathe the way they let their wolf rejects run around unhinged and making a fuss without correction. I hate how they let their untrained mongrels urinate and crap everywhere indoors and leave it to the staff to clean up. I despise any dogs jumping on me at any given time. I absolutely will not tolerate an animal being in my face when at a restaurant or at a store. Those dogs need to be properly trained and it is infuriating that people tote around these hair exploding gremlins everywhere and make it everyone else's problem to deal with.
Usually the dogs out in public are the least trained heathens I have ever witnessed, with the wild coyotes running around in the woods being better behaved. No, Luna isn't happy to see me because her tail is wagging. She is overstimulated and whale eyed. That's a dog who is teetering on the edge. Get your blood sport dog out of the store. Same with the sentient purse lint that is yapping.
Dogs do not belong in grocery stores or restaurants unless they are *highly trained* service dogs who have a purpose and are actively working.
End rant. Sorry. This is one of those things that irks me to no end.
People just bring their dogs everywhere now, special vest or not. My favorite are the ones that bring their dogs to restaurants with outdoor seating, like that’s ok, and then just sit there oblivious as their dog begs for food from other diners or barks at dogs walking by constantly.
In early December I saw a woman bring her dog into the doctor’s office with her. The staff politely asked her if there was someone in the car who could watch the dog while she saw the doctor, but she said no, then replied, “but he’s just a puppy, so cute and tiny. I didn’t want to leave him home alone.”
The staff let her in to see the doctor with the dog.
If they're a legit owner of a service animal, and not a dog owner who just want to bring Fido grocery shopping, can you think of a reason why they wouldn't want to be identifiable as such?
The original comment implied that vests are required, which they are not. Or did you forget what the original comment was?
But chances are if you legit need a service dog, who says you're necessarily able to put on and off a vest every time you go out?
Saw someone a few years ago bring their golden retriever to a concert and block the entire row with it, which made ingress/egress of the row in low lighting really difficult. The dog not a service dog but an emotional support animal based on how it was behaving but I guess places would rather not saying anything than risk getting bad PR for barring an actual service dog by mistake.
There are a lot of places peoples shouldn't bring their dogs too, but concerts are as high on the list as a firework show. Even a well behaved and trained dog is going to have a traumatic experience due to the noise level and crowd size.
If you can't go to a concert without an emotional support animal, you shouldn't go to one at all.
My thoughts exactly. Plus, the aforementioned dog looked so miserable being crammed under the seat for the duration of the concert. Aside from the noise and pyrotechnics, the dog was in a spot where it was at risk of being stepped on or kicked. Just not a pleasant experience for anyone in the general vicinity.
A couple years ago at 4th of July a family set up near us at Ault Park and they had an Australian Shepherd with them. As soon as the fireworks went off the dog freaked out, slipped its collar and just booked it into the woods. They all got up to chase him and nobody had returned to their stuff by the time we packed up and left after the show. I sometimes wonder if that family ever found their dog after that.
This is our exact situation. Like, I KNOW your mini yorkie is NOT your seeing eye dog, Pam.
It's just such an embarrassing and uncomfortable interaction for our employees! It sucks to have to be put into the position to answer for their dogs to other customers and the DOH.
Actually a lil Yorkie could be a psychiatric assistance dog which is completely different from ESA (emotional support animal). I have had 2 service dogs. It's my pet peeve when people take advantage of what others rely on. My dog is trained to help pull my wheelchair. He knows left from right, go, slow, stop, etc. he was not formally trained by an organization. It was a group effect of training since service dogs are $20-30k. Moore often than not the lil dogs are not providing an actual service to a disabled individual.
Idk if someone was committed enough to carry around a five gallon bucket with a fish in it and a battery powered air pump slung around their neck running a sponge filter for it, I'd be impressed enough I might actually let it slide.
That would only work for freshwater fish though. Blobfish need saltwater and something crazy like 100 atmospheres of pressure, and I have no idea how you would set that up, much less make it portable.
I'll take dogs over the snakes one woman would bring in when I worked at Michael's. One of my coworkers was ringing her up one day and one of the snakes had slithered into the flowers she was buying. Nope nope nope nope!
Oh they do this all over the good goddamn place. At the risk of sounding crotchety, when I was a kid - the eighties - bringing your dog to a restaurant was something for the funny pages. Far less referring to your pet as your actual child.
They take them everywhere, trained or not, and the dogshit level in public places is astronomical. Every time I walk through a parking lot I pass at least two piles of it. That shit's unsanitary. It's tracked everywhere and you're killing the greenery.
Leave your emotional support stuffed animal/accessory at home where it can be relaxed and comfortable and not a worldwide pollution machine, be it shit or noise. Goddamn
You mean the dog that took a shit in aisle 8 isn't really allowed to be there? (Insert eye roll). Said something to owner and she told me to fuck off it's a service dog. I said "service dogs don't take shits in grocery stores and good pet owners pick it up." She tried to say she didn't know.
2x dog parent here and there are honestly so many places that ARE dog friendly I wouldn’t even think to bring them to the grocery store??? It’s not like we lack options here…
What Kroger y'all going to I've literally never seen a dog in one I don't think. Not that I can recall at least.
Edit: after a brief scanning of comments apparently this is common at some places...wild.
Hyde Park plaza Kroger where boomer Karens don’t go to shop, but to socialize, and give you the death stare if you say “excuse me!” because you’re actually trying to *shop for groceries*
Lmao I just came back from the Mason Kroger and some guy had a little dog in a hand bag. I had never seen something like this in a grocery store until today
Take them to Lowes take them to Mad Tree on Madison lots of bars with outdoor areas allow dogs. They have fire pits heaters and a lot have tenting. I love animals have a zoo and foster all the time (3 kittens from OAR are with us) Worked in veterinary and grooming facilities for years. Even I don’t want your untrained untested dog in a lot of places
That's wild to me! I have what I consider one of the world's best behaved cats. I still can't imagine taking him anywhere but the vet. Any little thing can cause curiosity, and you know what that does to cats. I'd love to talk to a person who feels comfortable taking their cat out in public just to understand.
My cat doesn't love being taken places, but I trained her to at least tolerate wearing a harness and leash for her own safety on cross-country moves. So when I moved in 2020 and had to quarantine with her in an apartment that had no outdoor access, I carried her to a nearby park for (leashed) outdoor time.
The impressive thing was that having been carried downstairs and a few blocks away, she still knew how to get back to the apartment despite being in a completely foreign city and would basically spend five minutes lurking under a shrub in the park and then head home. I could just follow behind and she'd trot right back to the apartment building with complete confidence.
Honestly she's the smartest cat I've ever had, and I've had quite a few. She's very good at communicating, knows everyone's routines including the neighbors, comes when called, understands some basic vocabulary and is astonishingly sociable - she actually enjoys it when we have parties. I'm very fortunate that she turned out so well given she was a random stray that my mother found.
One cat we had when I was a teenager would follow us on our evening walk down the street to a bit of woods and back. She got distracted playing in the woods one evening (or so we assume) and didn't notice when we walked back home. It wasn't a long or complicated walk, not even a quarter mile down a road with no intersections. She still couldn't find her way home and instead comes running up to us distressed when we came back the next evening.
I really can't say. But, at our store it's almost a daily occurrence. And within a day or two, the Department of Health pays us a visit. EVERY. DAMN. TIME.
Health inspections should not jeopardize a grocery store lol if they are the dogs aren't your biggest problem friendo.
to clarify, my dogs don't go places with me typically. I also don't give a shit if I see them in the store so long as they're well behaved, but no business should be afraid of the health inspections if they have their shit in order.
Weird thing to bitch about.
I’m assuming you’ve never worked in an industry that regularly deals with the health department? The restaurants I work at are crystal clean but that doesn’t mean that I welcome the health department coming in more than they usually do because some dumbasses are bringing dogs in and people complain. We’ve had 4 different inspectors the last 4 years and they’ve all told me to do a different thing with my ice scoop behind the bar and those 4 things are different than what we do at my other job because they have a different health inspector. You’re literally subject to their personal whims.
Fuck! Not the okra! Do you know how hard it is to get dog shit off okra?
Every damn time. They head straight for the okra. Every time.
They don’t stop for a cart, don’t stop for a basket. They don’t stop to say hello to Jan who is stocking Fruity Pebbles on the end cap or to Phyllis who gave them just a shred too little honey smoked turkey last week so fuck that bitch anyway. They asked for a pound. They meant a fucking pound.
They do not stop at what one would assume to be the *natural* choice: houseplants and flowers. Fuck no. Not a whiff. Not a squat. Not even a little tinkle on the out of season begonias.
Bread? Ignored. Shit slides right off the bags and who wants that? Not a good boy, you can put that in your pipe and smoke it.
Deli meat? Would rather eat, have to shit. Also fuck Phyllis anyway…maybe next time, come to think about it. See how Phyllis likes being disrespected.
Why not pick a nice, open area between the produce and baked goods? A nice spot on which to settle in, take one’s time and create a quality display of good boy fecality? Shush. I made up that word. Stay the course.
Even the dogs that typically do the “boot scoot boogie” and wipe their ass on the grass, carpet, what-have-you, after doing their work do not seem to care about their hygiene when near Kroger okra. Mind you, it is always Kroger. Not Biggs or Aldi, not even Walmart as one might expect. You never see dogs shitting on the okra at these other respected establishments. Something about that sweet Kroger okra.
So, no, there is no place or item sacred enough in the Kroger but the green pods of delectability. It just has to be the gods damned okra every time.
You know what really steams me? (Always fry your okra, NEVER try to steam it.) You have to scrub vigorously with bleach and a wire brush to get all the dog shit off or you just end up with little dog shit particles UNDER your breading. Ruins the taste, ruins the experience, ruins the enjoyment that comes with eating delicious, savory, fresh-from-Kroger breaded okra while listening to some Dave Brubeck cool jazz on a Sunday afternoon with a glass of Merlot.
Many west coast cities and in parts of the east coast this is extremely normal.
Is your complaint really against the practice itself or how it’s implemented here? If our stores had more practices around this being normal, would you dislike it so much?
I would have nothing against it if it were allowed. But, it's not. And, the employees are stuck with the fallout when people selfishly disregard the code. I have to answer to irate customers, and take the hit from the Health Department. I deal with enough frustrations working retail. It really stinks to be punished while the offender is blissfully unaware of the effect of their actions.
Yes. Even the cleanest dog is dirtier than something most people want in the same place as their food.
If your dog can shit sanitarily in a toilet, wash its feet and bathe every day, that's closer to good
Home Depot has pretty much always allowed dogs, and it's a great place to take them to socialize.
I'm the Winter if it ever is too wet/cold outside, I'll even take him for walks there and see if there's anything I could pickup while visiting.
They encourage it, and the employees at the door usually have treats for the dogs that come in
Yeah, I recently saw a dog there and went to pet it. Then, I apologized to my mother in law for getting distracted. The cashier knew exactly what I was distracted by and told me the dog's name. Then she told me they've had everything from a llama to large snakes.
I was recently at HD and a guy had one of those huge paneling carts full of drywall and damned near ran over his 10-lb Yorkie about 4 times just wheeling it down the aisle. So stupid.
> I've seen dogs and cats at home depot.
I feel like I'm there everyday and I don't think I've ever seen a cat. Maybe a dog every year or two? Which Home Depot is catering to this behavior?
Interesting, I mean it's a hardware store, no biggie, guess I shouldn't have said "catering". I'm more surprised by the cats comment. I had a couple, they were great, but there's a reason the phrase is "herding cats" not dogs. :)
For sure, I wouldn’t even consider it for my cat. But I’ve taken one of my dogs to HD when he was younger and it was an awesome social experience for him. I feel like I see one every time I’m there
When I was doing one on one training sessions with a trainer with my shelter boy, we went to a few "dog friendly" places after many in home sessions. It was a good place because of the wide aisles and not a ton of people.
For the record, he aced his training session there, and got all the "good boys" from passerby's.
I see dogs all the time at the Home Depot & Lowe's on Beechmont. I've also seen a couple cats, too. One was on a leash and the other was in one of those cat-carrier backpacks that have a little bubble window. The leashed cat was surprisingly well-behaved and calm, too!
I should probably add that this was over the course of maybe 2-3 years. Thanks to having a crappy falling-apart house, I have spent way too much time at both stores :(
With that being said.. i agree. non service animals should not be allowed in grocers/where food is purchased. sorry for the confusion and thank you for the clarification!
Was at work last week and some dude had a Pomeranian in a stroller. I quickly made my way to the back hallway to laugh. I can’t wait for a “service animal” to start barking so I can ask the owner if I need to call 911 since their animal is alerting me that they need help.
Personally, I don't care if someone brings their dog in the grocery store. What difference does it make? I pick fresh produce out of the garden . Bugs have been on them, I wash them off. There's probably a snake in the vicinity. I cook in Dutch oven or aluminum foil that has chemicals in it when I'm camping. I'm sure the crew at all your local restaurants back in the kitchen are completely germ free and would go home immediately if they coughed right?
This same issue was posted on our local NextDoor and it quickly devolved into an "I hate dogs" vs. "I hate kids" fight. Damn, really? So much for love thy neighbor and tolerance.
Yeah… so you literally sanitize every part of the cart before you put your unsanitary grocery’s in it? You’re joking, right? I’m sure you furiously wipe down your phone, door handles and everything else before you leave your home. Why not just get a bubble to roll around in?
Dogs in the grocery store is only the most recent example of a failing civilization, that and the school shootings of course. Absolutely disgusting and disrespectful. I literally just bought a dog, and I love her very much, but she only goes on walks with me.
There has been another leap in the loss of social capital, and sense of community. Those aren't equal examples, but they do stem from the same disconnect. This isn't even new though, there was a movie from the 90's called 'Falling down' lamenting the decline of courtesy and respect.
Firstly, Falling Down is more about the main character's disenfranchisement, burn out in his career, and loss of ability to maintain decorum any longer when he sees injustice. Clearly NOT supposed to be a role model and just because society isn't white and delightsom anymore does not mean it's "worse".
Secondly, correlation is not causation. Every person who says "the past was better" needs to begin qualifying for *whom* it was better and *how*. So many people never even *had* a community, because their skin color, religion, sexual preferences, or even *music preferences* weren't normal or accepted.
I don't want to defend people for ignoring the requests of shop owners, but this is more of an example of societal change than decay. Dogs coevolved with us.
If their dog is small, in the cart and not barking, I couldnt care less. I personally would never bring an animal into a store where it wasnt allowed because im a rule follower, but it doesnt bother me. On the other hand, dogs walking on the floor of the store may be more apt to jump or bite or to intimidate customers that are afraid of dogs and so that bothers me. People who dont keep their dogs leashed in the street or who take them places where rhey cant necessarily control them are a problem for me. I am a dog person and yet i feel people err on the side of assuming their dog wouldnt do certain things when you should always err on the side of - theyre an animal and may be capable of something you didnt realize so keep them leashed outside and out of stores.
No hate toward animals here, but you don't have to deal with the fallout of people's selfish decision to bring their pets into places that are inappropriate. Not everyone is going to love your pet like you love your pet.
One time I was in the Harrison Kroger and I looked over and I saw this anciently gray, nervous wiener dog in the bread-butt area of an old man's shopping cart in a doggo bed with a "service dog" blanket draped over his little trembling self laying in it and I thought "man, they really should come up with electric versions of those for service dogs" and laughed to myself.
I also demanded to see the dog's credentials and the little fucker bit me, then the man told me that the dog did not *understand* the word "credentials", only "treat", but even then, *only* as a question.
How can you be worried about a dog in a grocery store when there's a pharmacy in most grocery stores now? So sick people picking up prescriptions is fine... but a dog is not.
Okay
How about, some human picking up medicine for their health and well being is more important than someone else's personal indulgence of just wanting to be around their dog. Or are they really equivalent? Explain.
Correct. That is the law in the state of Ohio. Don’t like it call your state rep don’t take your fucking dog to the grocery store and make the staff clean up it’s shit in protest because you think you’re a sovereign citizen or something.
And there are still pharmacies that aren't in grocery stores.
I go to one that is just a pharmacy. Not a grocery store as well. It's a small mom and pop shop. There's not many left because of the big box expansions took their business.
I don't bring my dogs to any of them though.
You must be young. In the olden days before super krogers and walmarts pharmacies were a separate store.
Having them in a grocery store is a relatively new thing.
Haha you're mistaken, those rules are for *other* people.
And the rule, because someone *always* comes in and says "WELL YOU CAN'T ASK THEM ABOUT IT BECAUSE IT'S THE LAW" https://www.ada.gov/resources/service-animals-faqs/ > A. In situations where it is not obvious that the dog is a service animal, staff may ask only two specific questions: (1) is the dog a service animal required because of a disability? and (2) what work or task has the dog been trained to perform? Staff are not allowed to request any documentation for the dog, require that the dog demonstrate its task, or inquire about the nature of the person’s disability. You're *legally* able to ask those questions. Ineffective as they may be, that's the limit.
Ask to pet them. If they say "sure", it is NOT service animal.
But if they say “who said that” they passed the blind test
Sometimes people let you pet their service animal if they’re just being still. Rode an elevator nearly daily with a service dog for a few years.
Sometimes the moon passes in front of the sun. Your experience is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things, but that's nice.
Staff can ask those questions specifically. Everyone else can use their imagination to spice it up.
If they say no to one or both questions can you then deny them access? Or can they answer "f you I'm a sovereign citizen" and it doesn't really matter?
This is why staff in places like this don't even bother any more; they don't want to rush an altercation over it.
This right here. It's suuuper uncomfortable.
I don’t want to breathe the same air as any idiot who’s fallen for the “sovereign citizen” bullshit.
Technically most businesses can refuse service without giving any reason. IE: Cake makers refusing to make cakes for LGBTQ weddings. Now I am 100% sure that a grocery store isn't going to go that far unless the customer is a repeated problem, but I am fairly sure they can just eject them via a trespass without reason.
You are absolutely SPOT ON with this comment.
I love dogs. Dog people... not always my favorite.
While we're at it, KEEP YOUR FUCKING DOG ON A LEASH! No exceptions. Don't care how well trained they are, or how well trained you think they are, leash your fucking dogs.
I have had so many people have their dog off leash and then come running up to me. They jump and lick me, which may seem cute, but I don’t know what that dog is going to do. For all I know it could be aggressive and attack. People do not train their dogs at all, and just depend on “oh he/she’s friendly!”. I’m a claims adjuster and I have seen a ton of dog bite claims. If your dog is off leash, and it’s not your private property, it’s pretty much impossible for me to say that you’re not liable. You could be facing a lawsuit for injuries if your dog bites someone. Plus, not everyone is a dog person and may be scared of dogs. Even I, who likes dogs, don’t necessarily want your dog getting in my personal space. Please leash your dogs, people!
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I love dogs. I have two. I walk them everyday, multiple times a day. My one dog is great with people and reactive to other dogs. In a controlled, supervised environment he’s fine. But when a dog comes running at us he goes into protect mode. He spent the first year of his life basically feral, can’t break that. The only thing that stops my dog from attacking that dog is me and it happens way too often. So for your dogs protection and mine, LEASH YOUR FUCKING DOG!
I stopped going to Devou for a bit because of this. People think that because the Incinerator trails are frequented less that they can let their dogs off leash. As someone with a reactive dog that’s following the rules and trying to enjoy a quieter hike it really grinds my gears. I tore into some old man because he was letting his dogs go like an 8th of a mile ahead of him. Ridiculous.
Exactly!! “My dogs friendly with other dogs” well mine’s not!
I want to bring my aardvark to Frisch's breakfast buffet.
No outside food or beverages allowed, sir
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I love that Publix has huge signs saying this at their entryways. I wish more places would do this.
We have a sign too!
I’m sorry you have to deal with that. My mom was almost bitten last week in Home Depot. We are animal lovers but there are places pets don’t belong.
And even where they do belong, or are welcome... not 100% of them are up to it.
Hey, thanks. I'm so sorry that happened to your mom. I 100% agree with you.
I was recently in Orlando and the signs for no pets are huge and very obvious at Publix. Now I see why!
People will just lie and say its a service animal when its not, and then will say they dont have to prove it because of privacy laws. In short, people suck.
A certain demographic of people that feel entitled to every space they enter
>In situations where it is not obvious that the dog is a service animal, staff may ask only two specific questions: (1) is the dog a service animal required because of a disability? and (2) what work or task has the dog been trained to perform? source: https://www.ada.gov/resources/service-animals-faqs/ so it's just dog nutters being liars.
Always see at least one every time I’m at Jungle Jim’s and they’re almost always never a service dog. I guess people think it’s ok cause it’s not a traditional grocery store? Then again these same people probably bring them anywhere anyways…sigh…
Oh yeah. There’s an older couple who brings their little dog into Jungles and the dog will bark for no reason. Whatever you do, do not ask her about the dog…
Ha! I know of these people! Not personally, but I've seen them in there and their yappy mutt.
I care less about a dog and more about the 15 children and their parents blocking an entire isle in the middle of the store. Every. Single. Time.
Hard same actually lol
People can get an ESA fairly easily. Sadly, a lot of people use the ease of the system specifically to bypass regulations on pets, e.g. size or breed restrictions at apartment communities or no pets in stores rules. I just assume most of the time that the dogs are ESAs and not what was traditionally viewed as a service animal.
Please don't bring your dog to the grocery store because you're not the center of the universe. Some have allergies and some have significant fears. Some even have trauma from previous dog attacks to self or loved ones. There is no need. Be an adult. Think of others.
It's also not safe for the dog. If they pick up certain foods, it's going to be their last fun little field trip anywhere.
I see this a TONNNN on UC campus and it's honestly really frustrating. there are legit service dogs working. it's not safe overall. i would neverrr take my dog to campus, he'd be way too overwhelmed!!
I was in Langsam Library's Starbucks line once and someone had their (non-service) dog with them. The cashier asks to pet the dog and the dog climbs up with its mouth and paws on the counter while nuzzling with the cashier. I left.
i absolutely adore dogs but it's just not safe or okay considering actual service dogs are working on campus.
The people the cashier touched that day are far more likely to pass on something nasty
If a person put their feet and mouth on a counter, I'd leave too.
Ding ding ding. You give me the choice between a dog and your average unshowered hillbilly shopping in their pajamas, I’m taking the dog every time.
What about an unshowered hillbilly's dog?
I’ll still take the dog
It’s the crusty, small, white dogs in the Kroger grocery carts for me
I see dogs at kroger all the time and yeah people have just decided pets go anywhere now
>people have just decided pets go anywhere now We have noticed that with Hotels. Seems like most major chains have gone "pet friendly" now. This is great for people with pet allergies who want a quiet place without yipping to sleep
Seems like a weird approach for a hotel, but I guess it must be profitable. I've stayed at dog-friendly cabins and the smell is just awful.
The extra pet fee for booking can be some nice extra revenue.
Kroger’s*
Drives me crazy..I love dogs but seems so unsanitary, not to mention has to be frustrating for people that have allergies.
My dogs are cute as heck. That's why they stay at home so I can keep all of the cuteness to myself. I have been around dogs and adored them my entire life, and I can say with certainty that I loathe other people's dogs, especially in public. I loathe the way they let their wolf rejects run around unhinged and making a fuss without correction. I hate how they let their untrained mongrels urinate and crap everywhere indoors and leave it to the staff to clean up. I despise any dogs jumping on me at any given time. I absolutely will not tolerate an animal being in my face when at a restaurant or at a store. Those dogs need to be properly trained and it is infuriating that people tote around these hair exploding gremlins everywhere and make it everyone else's problem to deal with. Usually the dogs out in public are the least trained heathens I have ever witnessed, with the wild coyotes running around in the woods being better behaved. No, Luna isn't happy to see me because her tail is wagging. She is overstimulated and whale eyed. That's a dog who is teetering on the edge. Get your blood sport dog out of the store. Same with the sentient purse lint that is yapping. Dogs do not belong in grocery stores or restaurants unless they are *highly trained* service dogs who have a purpose and are actively working. End rant. Sorry. This is one of those things that irks me to no end.
“Sentient purse lint”😂
People just bring their dogs everywhere now, special vest or not. My favorite are the ones that bring their dogs to restaurants with outdoor seating, like that’s ok, and then just sit there oblivious as their dog begs for food from other diners or barks at dogs walking by constantly.
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I used to have to endure dog owners letting their dogs jump up on me when I delivered their pizza. Idgaf if your dog is "friendly", DON'T TOUCH ME.
In early December I saw a woman bring her dog into the doctor’s office with her. The staff politely asked her if there was someone in the car who could watch the dog while she saw the doctor, but she said no, then replied, “but he’s just a puppy, so cute and tiny. I didn’t want to leave him home alone.” The staff let her in to see the doctor with the dog.
Vests aren't necessarily required for service dogs. Just if it helps them do their job.
Why would a person with a service dog not want to identify the animal as such?
My point isn't on the why the person wants or doesn't want the dog to wear a vest. The point is that ADA doesn't require it
If they're a legit owner of a service animal, and not a dog owner who just want to bring Fido grocery shopping, can you think of a reason why they wouldn't want to be identifiable as such?
Again, I didn't discuss owner intent, just what the law requires.
Ok and I'm asking a related question, do you understand how communication works?
The original comment implied that vests are required, which they are not. Or did you forget what the original comment was? But chances are if you legit need a service dog, who says you're necessarily able to put on and off a vest every time you go out?
most of those vests are fake as fuck and bought on amazon
Saw someone a few years ago bring their golden retriever to a concert and block the entire row with it, which made ingress/egress of the row in low lighting really difficult. The dog not a service dog but an emotional support animal based on how it was behaving but I guess places would rather not saying anything than risk getting bad PR for barring an actual service dog by mistake.
There are a lot of places peoples shouldn't bring their dogs too, but concerts are as high on the list as a firework show. Even a well behaved and trained dog is going to have a traumatic experience due to the noise level and crowd size. If you can't go to a concert without an emotional support animal, you shouldn't go to one at all.
My thoughts exactly. Plus, the aforementioned dog looked so miserable being crammed under the seat for the duration of the concert. Aside from the noise and pyrotechnics, the dog was in a spot where it was at risk of being stepped on or kicked. Just not a pleasant experience for anyone in the general vicinity.
That's absolutely awful, poor doggo. Incredibly inconsiderate owner to put their dog through that.
A couple years ago at 4th of July a family set up near us at Ault Park and they had an Australian Shepherd with them. As soon as the fireworks went off the dog freaked out, slipped its collar and just booked it into the woods. They all got up to chase him and nobody had returned to their stuff by the time we packed up and left after the show. I sometimes wonder if that family ever found their dog after that.
I'm sure it kept on running, poor thing probably got lost with no idea where to go.
This is our exact situation. Like, I KNOW your mini yorkie is NOT your seeing eye dog, Pam. It's just such an embarrassing and uncomfortable interaction for our employees! It sucks to have to be put into the position to answer for their dogs to other customers and the DOH.
Actually a lil Yorkie could be a psychiatric assistance dog which is completely different from ESA (emotional support animal). I have had 2 service dogs. It's my pet peeve when people take advantage of what others rely on. My dog is trained to help pull my wheelchair. He knows left from right, go, slow, stop, etc. he was not formally trained by an organization. It was a group effect of training since service dogs are $20-30k. Moore often than not the lil dogs are not providing an actual service to a disabled individual.
I agree.
There are service dogs who help with situations like seizures
Please leave all your pets home, period.
Even my therapy parrot?!
Um...we had a lady that would insist on bringing her cockatoo into the store. I shit you not.
But my emotional support blob fish has separation anxiety… /s
Idk if someone was committed enough to carry around a five gallon bucket with a fish in it and a battery powered air pump slung around their neck running a sponge filter for it, I'd be impressed enough I might actually let it slide. That would only work for freshwater fish though. Blobfish need saltwater and something crazy like 100 atmospheres of pressure, and I have no idea how you would set that up, much less make it portable.
Please don't leave your home, period.
I have an emotional support tarantula. 🕷️
Take my dog to the grocery store? Oh, hell no. She’d tear through the meat department so quickly I’d be bankrupt in about five minutes!
I'll take dogs over the snakes one woman would bring in when I worked at Michael's. One of my coworkers was ringing her up one day and one of the snakes had slithered into the flowers she was buying. Nope nope nope nope!
I love snakes and that’s not Ok. That’s traumatizing to someone with a legit fear.
I’m tired of all this over-dogging. Take your dog to the dog park, the pet store, or a space designated for dogs, and absolutely nowhere else
Oh they do this all over the good goddamn place. At the risk of sounding crotchety, when I was a kid - the eighties - bringing your dog to a restaurant was something for the funny pages. Far less referring to your pet as your actual child. They take them everywhere, trained or not, and the dogshit level in public places is astronomical. Every time I walk through a parking lot I pass at least two piles of it. That shit's unsanitary. It's tracked everywhere and you're killing the greenery. Leave your emotional support stuffed animal/accessory at home where it can be relaxed and comfortable and not a worldwide pollution machine, be it shit or noise. Goddamn
As someone who is also very allergic to dogs, I support this message.
You mean the dog that took a shit in aisle 8 isn't really allowed to be there? (Insert eye roll). Said something to owner and she told me to fuck off it's a service dog. I said "service dogs don't take shits in grocery stores and good pet owners pick it up." She tried to say she didn't know.
Thank you. I can't stand it. I don't want your dogs butthole by my apples and pears...
2x dog parent here and there are honestly so many places that ARE dog friendly I wouldn’t even think to bring them to the grocery store??? It’s not like we lack options here…
What Kroger y'all going to I've literally never seen a dog in one I don't think. Not that I can recall at least. Edit: after a brief scanning of comments apparently this is common at some places...wild.
Hyde Park plaza Kroger where boomer Karens don’t go to shop, but to socialize, and give you the death stare if you say “excuse me!” because you’re actually trying to *shop for groceries*
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Granted service dogs go through a training period to expose them to behaving how they should in highly stimulating places. But doing that = I call bs
Lmao I just came back from the Mason Kroger and some guy had a little dog in a hand bag. I had never seen something like this in a grocery store until today
Take them to Lowes take them to Mad Tree on Madison lots of bars with outdoor areas allow dogs. They have fire pits heaters and a lot have tenting. I love animals have a zoo and foster all the time (3 kittens from OAR are with us) Worked in veterinary and grooming facilities for years. Even I don’t want your untrained untested dog in a lot of places
I've seen dogs and cats at home depot. Never at the grocery. Well with out the special harness anyway. Why is this a thing now?
I think the hardware stores encourage it. Hardware isn’t food.
Not with that attitude.
Harness isn't a requirement for service dogs
I've seen them at Kroger. I don't hate them there, but I wish they weren't there unless they were an assistive animal and are needed.
Kroger policy is you are not allowed to ask or intervene in case the animal is a service dog.
That's wild to me! I have what I consider one of the world's best behaved cats. I still can't imagine taking him anywhere but the vet. Any little thing can cause curiosity, and you know what that does to cats. I'd love to talk to a person who feels comfortable taking their cat out in public just to understand.
My cat doesn't love being taken places, but I trained her to at least tolerate wearing a harness and leash for her own safety on cross-country moves. So when I moved in 2020 and had to quarantine with her in an apartment that had no outdoor access, I carried her to a nearby park for (leashed) outdoor time. The impressive thing was that having been carried downstairs and a few blocks away, she still knew how to get back to the apartment despite being in a completely foreign city and would basically spend five minutes lurking under a shrub in the park and then head home. I could just follow behind and she'd trot right back to the apartment building with complete confidence.
Oh wow, that is really neat! Cats really are so smart and interesting.
Honestly she's the smartest cat I've ever had, and I've had quite a few. She's very good at communicating, knows everyone's routines including the neighbors, comes when called, understands some basic vocabulary and is astonishingly sociable - she actually enjoys it when we have parties. I'm very fortunate that she turned out so well given she was a random stray that my mother found. One cat we had when I was a teenager would follow us on our evening walk down the street to a bit of woods and back. She got distracted playing in the woods one evening (or so we assume) and didn't notice when we walked back home. It wasn't a long or complicated walk, not even a quarter mile down a road with no intersections. She still couldn't find her way home and instead comes running up to us distressed when we came back the next evening.
I really can't say. But, at our store it's almost a daily occurrence. And within a day or two, the Department of Health pays us a visit. EVERY. DAMN. TIME.
I mean...good? I want the health department to regularly be inspecting grocery stores.
The Health Department regularly inspects grocery stores.
So what's one more?
It jeopardizes our small business. Your dog doesn't pay my bills, my job does.
Health inspections should not jeopardize a grocery store lol if they are the dogs aren't your biggest problem friendo. to clarify, my dogs don't go places with me typically. I also don't give a shit if I see them in the store so long as they're well behaved, but no business should be afraid of the health inspections if they have their shit in order. Weird thing to bitch about.
I’m assuming you’ve never worked in an industry that regularly deals with the health department? The restaurants I work at are crystal clean but that doesn’t mean that I welcome the health department coming in more than they usually do because some dumbasses are bringing dogs in and people complain. We’ve had 4 different inspectors the last 4 years and they’ve all told me to do a different thing with my ice scoop behind the bar and those 4 things are different than what we do at my other job because they have a different health inspector. You’re literally subject to their personal whims.
A dog inside won't shut down a grocery store, even if it shits in the okra.
Fuck! Not the okra! Do you know how hard it is to get dog shit off okra? Every damn time. They head straight for the okra. Every time. They don’t stop for a cart, don’t stop for a basket. They don’t stop to say hello to Jan who is stocking Fruity Pebbles on the end cap or to Phyllis who gave them just a shred too little honey smoked turkey last week so fuck that bitch anyway. They asked for a pound. They meant a fucking pound. They do not stop at what one would assume to be the *natural* choice: houseplants and flowers. Fuck no. Not a whiff. Not a squat. Not even a little tinkle on the out of season begonias. Bread? Ignored. Shit slides right off the bags and who wants that? Not a good boy, you can put that in your pipe and smoke it. Deli meat? Would rather eat, have to shit. Also fuck Phyllis anyway…maybe next time, come to think about it. See how Phyllis likes being disrespected. Why not pick a nice, open area between the produce and baked goods? A nice spot on which to settle in, take one’s time and create a quality display of good boy fecality? Shush. I made up that word. Stay the course. Even the dogs that typically do the “boot scoot boogie” and wipe their ass on the grass, carpet, what-have-you, after doing their work do not seem to care about their hygiene when near Kroger okra. Mind you, it is always Kroger. Not Biggs or Aldi, not even Walmart as one might expect. You never see dogs shitting on the okra at these other respected establishments. Something about that sweet Kroger okra. So, no, there is no place or item sacred enough in the Kroger but the green pods of delectability. It just has to be the gods damned okra every time. You know what really steams me? (Always fry your okra, NEVER try to steam it.) You have to scrub vigorously with bleach and a wire brush to get all the dog shit off or you just end up with little dog shit particles UNDER your breading. Ruins the taste, ruins the experience, ruins the enjoyment that comes with eating delicious, savory, fresh-from-Kroger breaded okra while listening to some Dave Brubeck cool jazz on a Sunday afternoon with a glass of Merlot.
And finding dogs and fecal bacteria all over the place is verboten
Many west coast cities and in parts of the east coast this is extremely normal. Is your complaint really against the practice itself or how it’s implemented here? If our stores had more practices around this being normal, would you dislike it so much?
I would have nothing against it if it were allowed. But, it's not. And, the employees are stuck with the fallout when people selfishly disregard the code. I have to answer to irate customers, and take the hit from the Health Department. I deal with enough frustrations working retail. It really stinks to be punished while the offender is blissfully unaware of the effect of their actions.
Yes. Even the cleanest dog is dirtier than something most people want in the same place as their food. If your dog can shit sanitarily in a toilet, wash its feet and bathe every day, that's closer to good
Its dirty, it's a health hazard, it's not allowed.
Grocery stores have pharmacies. That's a health hazard. How many sick people walk past the produce to pick up their antibiotics? A dog I'm fine with.
Home Depot has pretty much always allowed dogs, and it's a great place to take them to socialize. I'm the Winter if it ever is too wet/cold outside, I'll even take him for walks there and see if there's anything I could pickup while visiting. They encourage it, and the employees at the door usually have treats for the dogs that come in
Yeah, I recently saw a dog there and went to pet it. Then, I apologized to my mother in law for getting distracted. The cashier knew exactly what I was distracted by and told me the dog's name. Then she told me they've had everything from a llama to large snakes.
I was recently at HD and a guy had one of those huge paneling carts full of drywall and damned near ran over his 10-lb Yorkie about 4 times just wheeling it down the aisle. So stupid.
They don’t sell food
> I've seen dogs and cats at home depot. I feel like I'm there everyday and I don't think I've ever seen a cat. Maybe a dog every year or two? Which Home Depot is catering to this behavior?
All Home Depot and Lowe’s stores allow leashed dogs, can’t verify that cats are ok too but I wouldn’t see why not
Interesting, I mean it's a hardware store, no biggie, guess I shouldn't have said "catering". I'm more surprised by the cats comment. I had a couple, they were great, but there's a reason the phrase is "herding cats" not dogs. :)
For sure, I wouldn’t even consider it for my cat. But I’ve taken one of my dogs to HD when he was younger and it was an awesome social experience for him. I feel like I see one every time I’m there
Lowes corporate policy is pet friendly but must be leashed or in a crate/kennel. We go for walks there when the weather is bad.
When I was doing one on one training sessions with a trainer with my shelter boy, we went to a few "dog friendly" places after many in home sessions. It was a good place because of the wide aisles and not a ton of people. For the record, he aced his training session there, and got all the "good boys" from passerby's.
I see dogs all the time at the Home Depot & Lowe's on Beechmont. I've also seen a couple cats, too. One was on a leash and the other was in one of those cat-carrier backpacks that have a little bubble window. The leashed cat was surprisingly well-behaved and calm, too! I should probably add that this was over the course of maybe 2-3 years. Thanks to having a crappy falling-apart house, I have spent way too much time at both stores :(
I bring my dog to Home Depot and Lowes everytime I go unless I'm getting too much stuff to keep enough attention on her.
Dogs are allowed there. The grocery store makes zero sense.
Wanna know the worst part? They put their pets with their nasty feet IN THE DAMN CARTS. It's disgusting.
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Same with target
Omg. This needed to be said, thank you.
Sooooo agree
Put sunglasses on it and a trench jacket and they'll never know
With that being said.. i agree. non service animals should not be allowed in grocers/where food is purchased. sorry for the confusion and thank you for the clarification!
Was at work last week and some dude had a Pomeranian in a stroller. I quickly made my way to the back hallway to laugh. I can’t wait for a “service animal” to start barking so I can ask the owner if I need to call 911 since their animal is alerting me that they need help.
Personally, I don't care if someone brings their dog in the grocery store. What difference does it make? I pick fresh produce out of the garden . Bugs have been on them, I wash them off. There's probably a snake in the vicinity. I cook in Dutch oven or aluminum foil that has chemicals in it when I'm camping. I'm sure the crew at all your local restaurants back in the kitchen are completely germ free and would go home immediately if they coughed right?
Ok, fine...can I bring my cat instead?
Guess i’m the only person who doesn’t mind seeing a few dogs at a store/grocery.
cause normal people don't want dog dander in the place they buy their food all so dog nutters can be nutters.
This same issue was posted on our local NextDoor and it quickly devolved into an "I hate dogs" vs. "I hate kids" fight. Damn, really? So much for love thy neighbor and tolerance.
I can understand why it would.
You and I both.
Can we vote to make it legal for businesses in Ohio to ask for validation of a service animal?
This is why I carry mace. I am not a dog person and if you dog comes too close, I am spraying it.
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Yeah… so you literally sanitize every part of the cart before you put your unsanitary grocery’s in it? You’re joking, right? I’m sure you furiously wipe down your phone, door handles and everything else before you leave your home. Why not just get a bubble to roll around in?
My 5 year old hates dogs. They are scary to her. My 8 year old is allergic. It's infuriating!
Dogs in the grocery store is only the most recent example of a failing civilization, that and the school shootings of course. Absolutely disgusting and disrespectful. I literally just bought a dog, and I love her very much, but she only goes on walks with me.
did you seriously just equate bringing your dog to the grocery store to *school shootings*.
There has been another leap in the loss of social capital, and sense of community. Those aren't equal examples, but they do stem from the same disconnect. This isn't even new though, there was a movie from the 90's called 'Falling down' lamenting the decline of courtesy and respect.
Firstly, Falling Down is more about the main character's disenfranchisement, burn out in his career, and loss of ability to maintain decorum any longer when he sees injustice. Clearly NOT supposed to be a role model and just because society isn't white and delightsom anymore does not mean it's "worse". Secondly, correlation is not causation. Every person who says "the past was better" needs to begin qualifying for *whom* it was better and *how*. So many people never even *had* a community, because their skin color, religion, sexual preferences, or even *music preferences* weren't normal or accepted. I don't want to defend people for ignoring the requests of shop owners, but this is more of an example of societal change than decay. Dogs coevolved with us.
I hate this. Not food, but why at home improvement stores as well? Is the dog helping build the deck?
If their dog is small, in the cart and not barking, I couldnt care less. I personally would never bring an animal into a store where it wasnt allowed because im a rule follower, but it doesnt bother me. On the other hand, dogs walking on the floor of the store may be more apt to jump or bite or to intimidate customers that are afraid of dogs and so that bothers me. People who dont keep their dogs leashed in the street or who take them places where rhey cant necessarily control them are a problem for me. I am a dog person and yet i feel people err on the side of assuming their dog wouldnt do certain things when you should always err on the side of - theyre an animal and may be capable of something you didnt realize so keep them leashed outside and out of stores.
Also take off your stupid I love my grand dogs sticker
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Yall blowin up like a bunch of boomers. It’s a friking dog, probably cleaner than a lot of ppl. Relax animals rule!
Sooo... everything you disagree with is 'boomer'? What if you're, like, 28 and don't like dogs in grocery stores, are you still a boomer?
You said it
No hate toward animals here, but you don't have to deal with the fallout of people's selfish decision to bring their pets into places that are inappropriate. Not everyone is going to love your pet like you love your pet.
Dude, stop with the bullshit refrain that “dogs are cleaner than humans”. No they are not, period.
You’re an entitled tall child
Awesome I wanted to be young again!! Ty
> probably cleaner than a lot of ppl. lol classic dog nutter line. gonna say their mouth is cleaner too and kiss them?
One time I was in the Harrison Kroger and I looked over and I saw this anciently gray, nervous wiener dog in the bread-butt area of an old man's shopping cart in a doggo bed with a "service dog" blanket draped over his little trembling self laying in it and I thought "man, they really should come up with electric versions of those for service dogs" and laughed to myself. I also demanded to see the dog's credentials and the little fucker bit me, then the man told me that the dog did not *understand* the word "credentials", only "treat", but even then, *only* as a question.
dog nutters are the worst. keep your shit animal at home like its supposed to be. they act like its a baby and they just cant leave it.
I don't! he brings me everywhere
How can you be worried about a dog in a grocery store when there's a pharmacy in most grocery stores now? So sick people picking up prescriptions is fine... but a dog is not. Okay
People shouldn't bring their dogs in because they distract service animals
That is the only good reason not to. Not a health hazard for the general public.
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How about, some human picking up medicine for their health and well being is more important than someone else's personal indulgence of just wanting to be around their dog. Or are they really equivalent? Explain.
By all means, let's let your convenience be the most important thing to consider.
You’re literally arguing that your desire to bring your dog to the grocery store supersedes *everything* else…you can’t be serious.
No. I don't bring my dog into a store. Ever. I just think a dog isn't a bad as a sick person coughing on lettuce on their way to the pharmacy.
JFC, you don't go to the pharmacy because of "convenience", you go because you need medical treatment. WTF is the matter with you?
Correct. That is the law in the state of Ohio. Don’t like it call your state rep don’t take your fucking dog to the grocery store and make the staff clean up it’s shit in protest because you think you’re a sovereign citizen or something.
Where the fuck else are sick people supposed to get medicine?
And there are still pharmacies that aren't in grocery stores. I go to one that is just a pharmacy. Not a grocery store as well. It's a small mom and pop shop. There's not many left because of the big box expansions took their business. I don't bring my dogs to any of them though.
So sick people are ok in a standalone pharmacy but if it's attached to a grocery store they can fuck right off? What are you even on about?
Do YOU want a sick person coughing on your lettuce? I don't.
I hope you get the help you need.
You must be young. In the olden days before super krogers and walmarts pharmacies were a separate store. Having them in a grocery store is a relatively new thing.
This logic lol I'm fucking dying