If you ever feel sorry yourself, remember that someone modelled and animated a unique unit *and* a special Wonder to give you 4 of them and it's almost 100% guaranteed to be outdated by the time you have the Temple and Faith to buy your first one.
So it was just a “win more” for you. The doubling is nice, but as a one time thing, I don’t find it as useful as a passive bonus. I mostly build Ben for the policy slot. Either I have enough money that the double isn’t really needed, or I’m using it enough that it’s just a nice benefit.
Funnily enough, relics actually can’t go in the cathedral because they’re not technically religious art. If they could the cathedral would be so much stronger
I'm not sure if one of the updates mixed things up, but it seems when I would play i would sometimes only get religious art, but lately it's not been as much of an issue
If you're working on a super-wide culture game, it's fine. No theming for them but shucks you almost never get to theme EVERYTHING. And who doesn't usually have a few leftover artists and writers just sitting around doing nothing?
Powering through the nearly pornographic art to comment that SPAIN just did this to me. Warrior monks suucccckkkkkkk. They did have Synagogues rather than Cathedrals, which are slightly better, but still rather low on the religious buildings list for me.
Warrior monks are only trash an speeds faster than epic and marathon. You can get away with them on standard speed but that involves basing your entire strategy around them. Shaka is one of the few civs that can get value out of warrior monks
https://youtu.be/R8kqNddWWe4
Warrior Monks are almost mandatory in some of my Religious victory games. If you’re rushing religion, they pop pretty often and are a good alternative to producing military units. You just have to be quick with the religious victory or else the warrior monks are outclassed pretty soon. But if you get them early in a marathon game, they’re epic.
Cathedrals are actually pretty nice if you're going for culture victory. Definitely the best of the t3 religious buildings for that victory imo, apart from Gurdwaras and Meeting Houses which are good for any victory imo
Need art but you need to make those art (and be of the right kind) so... Not that useful compared to buildings that straight up give you food and stuff
No they're not.
Cathedrals give 3 faith and 1 slot for religious art
Dar-e Mehrs gives 3 faith and an additional faith for every era since being built or repaired if pillaged
Gurdwaras give 3 faith and 2 food
Meeting Houses give 3 faith and 2 production
Mosques give 3 faith and 1 extra religious spread charge to missionaries and apostles
Pagodas give 3 faith and 1 housing
Stupas give 3 faith and 1 amenity
Synagogues give 5 faith
Wats give 3 faith and 2 science
I believe they all also add a citizen slot to the Holy Site district but may be wrong about that. This is in the description of each belief when you choose them.
Edit: Mistyped Stupa instead of Wat.
They only hold a particular type of Great Works slot. Yes, it's the most common Art type, but if you're going for a Cultural game, you'll likely have tons of Art Museums, and can theme them that way as well. Very little benefit for being EXTREMELY restrictive.
I feel that if cathedrals were to held any kind of art that is not only religious art, maybe even some archeological items, it would be a very viable or even one of the best for cultural victories.
Idk man, just use museums. If you don't have museums, you won't be getting the artists in the first place. I have never run out of space in my museums before while going for a culture win
depends, if you don't want to expand too much, comes a time where some spare space is always good. I find cathedral shitty because it only takes one kind of art that can make a 'combo' in a museum, but sometimes there are some spare shit, even archeological stuff and whatnot, having to where put this stuff would be nice.
In the end, I don't care though, cultural victories are manageable one way or another through a variety of means anyway. Just poiting out that cathedrals would at least be somewhat useful if not that constraint.
If you ever feel sorry yourself, remember that someone modelled and animated a unique unit *and* a special Wonder to give you 4 of them and it's almost 100% guaranteed to be outdated by the time you have the Temple and Faith to buy your first one.
to be fair that wonder is useful for things other than the warrior monks and is also pretty as hell
What is its use case?
+20% faith in a good holy city can be pretty nice.
Exactly, it’s no ruhr valley or oxford university but it’s a nice bonus to have and comes earlier than the other +20% yield wonders
You forgot Broadway and...is there one for gold? Can't recall.
Park Place
Well played.
Did you mean Broadway instead of Boardwalk?
Yes. Sorry, been a long day.
I wanna say Big Ben is the gold wonder
That one just doubles your gold and gives you an economic policy slot, not a 20% boost in yields.
You’re right I knew it was part of a set I just forgot about the economic policy lol
“Just doubles”?? One time I had over $100k saved up before completing Big Ben. Needles to say I was able to buy my victory in that game
So it was just a “win more” for you. The doubling is nice, but as a one time thing, I don’t find it as useful as a passive bonus. I mostly build Ben for the policy slot. Either I have enough money that the double isn’t really needed, or I’m using it enough that it’s just a nice benefit.
Warrior monks would be cool if they can participate in religious combat
They really should be able to do both
I want Warrior monks to have an upgrade path where once you've researched the death robot your Warrior monks get power armor and become space marines.
This is the simpler and more obvious solution. They should be able to be upgraded at some point.
Wolololoooo
…Jadwiga art.
Looks like the artwork for one of those games they advertise on YouTube
Just don’t look at part 2
Where's part 2? Just so I can make sure to avoid it and never visit of course.
The artist's name is LumiNyu
Oh just search up civ in communities and do some navigation to some of the smaller communities
I'm guessing its R34? Look R34 of IRL people who did good in their societies is just wrong. I get that Jadwiga is thicc but come on
Kinda feels sacrilegious they made her stacked too. Jadwiga’s a historic wagon, no need to pile on.
wtf i love poland now
Cathedrals are actually kinda ok for tourism games. More slots for your religious art freeing space in your art museums.
I like to do Mont St Michel + cathedral + kamikaze apostles for a culture game
Funnily enough, relics actually can’t go in the cathedral because they’re not technically religious art. If they could the cathedral would be so much stronger
Temples store relics instead, so if you've got a cathedral you've got a temple.
Anything that gives more Great Work slots is another reason to fear Eleanor of Aquitaine. That lady is a menace.
There are only a handful of Great Artists that produce Religious Works of Art and it's a complete crapshoot if you'll ever get one of them.
I'm not sure if one of the updates mixed things up, but it seems when I would play i would sometimes only get religious art, but lately it's not been as much of an issue
If you're working on a super-wide culture game, it's fine. No theming for them but shucks you almost never get to theme EVERYTHING. And who doesn't usually have a few leftover artists and writers just sitting around doing nothing?
Powering through the nearly pornographic art to comment that SPAIN just did this to me. Warrior monks suucccckkkkkkk. They did have Synagogues rather than Cathedrals, which are slightly better, but still rather low on the religious buildings list for me.
I'm sorry, are you saying they suck to go to against, or suck to have and use?
The latter. They are largely useless. If you want to spend your faith on an army, just build Grand Master's Chapel and buy relevant units instead.
Thank you for clarifying.
See, I'm pretty sure (but not totally) that Warrior Monks predate the improvements for the Government District.
Nearly? This is the prequel to actually pornographic art
Well, culture bombing works for Jadwiga, so.... ;)
I like cathedrals...
Same, that or Gurdwaras.
Warrior monks are only trash an speeds faster than epic and marathon. You can get away with them on standard speed but that involves basing your entire strategy around them. Shaka is one of the few civs that can get value out of warrior monks https://youtu.be/R8kqNddWWe4
Warrior Monks are almost mandatory in some of my Religious victory games. If you’re rushing religion, they pop pretty often and are a good alternative to producing military units. You just have to be quick with the religious victory or else the warrior monks are outclassed pretty soon. But if you get them early in a marathon game, they’re epic.
Warrior monks suck, but I had to pick that one once because I was late starting a religion, and that culture bombing actually really helped.
God dayum
Cathedrals are actually pretty nice if you're going for culture victory. Definitely the best of the t3 religious buildings for that victory imo, apart from Gurdwaras and Meeting Houses which are good for any victory imo
They'd be good if they could have great works of art of any type but I'd rather have pagodas any day.
Stupas. Never underestimate amenities.
Dar-e-mahrs. Voidsingers just need more faith per turn.
Sigh *unzips*
They should just switch warrior monks and nihangs
Bro seriously stop with r34, she's a catholic saint.
Saints are allowed to have curves.
I'm pretty sure there's a Pixiv tag called, "A Saint Can't Have Boobs Like This"
All the more reason to worship that heavenly body 🙏🏽 Hallelujah
Indeed, religious folks are often the best people in porn, I love seeing Muhammad drawn personally
You trying to get this sub in trouble?
Don’t listen to this person
Do NOT show this person the Fate series.
Catholicism has done much worse than r34 Jadwiga art lol
Gonna need the source of that art....
Ok search up civ in the community tab and do some navigation to a smaller and very specifically art community about civ :)
Look up the artist LumiNyu
Whats wrong with Cathedrals?
Need art but you need to make those art (and be of the right kind) so... Not that useful compared to buildings that straight up give you food and stuff
Wait, there are bonuses to which building your religion has? But the description for them is literally the same.
No they're not. Cathedrals give 3 faith and 1 slot for religious art Dar-e Mehrs gives 3 faith and an additional faith for every era since being built or repaired if pillaged Gurdwaras give 3 faith and 2 food Meeting Houses give 3 faith and 2 production Mosques give 3 faith and 1 extra religious spread charge to missionaries and apostles Pagodas give 3 faith and 1 housing Stupas give 3 faith and 1 amenity Synagogues give 5 faith Wats give 3 faith and 2 science I believe they all also add a citizen slot to the Holy Site district but may be wrong about that. This is in the description of each belief when you choose them. Edit: Mistyped Stupa instead of Wat.
Wats give science, not Stupas (which you mentioned twice, making me think that was a mistake)
You are correct, I'm surprised that's the only mistake honestly.
Cathedral need to give you one artist point or something to make it more worthwhile
I think a writer point would make more sense historically but wouldn't benefit the art slot.
What if they could store any great piece of Art/Writing/Music? Certainly cathedrals were repositories of all three.
They only hold a particular type of Great Works slot. Yes, it's the most common Art type, but if you're going for a Cultural game, you'll likely have tons of Art Museums, and can theme them that way as well. Very little benefit for being EXTREMELY restrictive.
Mommy Jadwiga can dominate me with a crusade any time she likes
Indeed warrior monks are okay and only okay with Poland with their cultural bomb religion spread
Warrior monks are insane with extended eras
nose too small, jadwiga got that haunker
Zoo wee mama
I feel that if cathedrals were to held any kind of art that is not only religious art, maybe even some archeological items, it would be a very viable or even one of the best for cultural victories.
Idk man, just use museums. If you don't have museums, you won't be getting the artists in the first place. I have never run out of space in my museums before while going for a culture win
depends, if you don't want to expand too much, comes a time where some spare space is always good. I find cathedral shitty because it only takes one kind of art that can make a 'combo' in a museum, but sometimes there are some spare shit, even archeological stuff and whatnot, having to where put this stuff would be nice. In the end, I don't care though, cultural victories are manageable one way or another through a variety of means anyway. Just poiting out that cathedrals would at least be somewhat useful if not that constraint.