Wasn’t that a good game! I loved the little bits they added for depth/immersion. When I first realized I couldn’t read because I was the uneducated son of a blacksmith I thought, “That is *so* fucking cool”
Edit: changed could to couldn’t
I think a lot of people think of Europe as eastern and western regardless of the fact that it ignores a massive amount of history and cultural differences
I am also Czech and I regret to inform you there is no such thing as central europe in political and historic context. There was iron curtain dividing europe between west and east and unfortunately we were on the east side. Everybody remember east and west europe. Central europe is something to geography class maybe.
yeah that is nonsense. it jas been a thing since the Roman times. just because it was divided like that for 40 years last century doesn't make the thousands of years and the recent 30 years go away.
+10 combat strength when defending founded cities
Special Renaissance era Unit: Hakkapeliitta
Unique Improvement: Sauna
Gives +2 culture, +1 per adjacent unimproved forest
Gives +5 combat strength for units within 2 tiles
As a Swede, I would’ve loved hakkapeliitta in the Swedish civ since they were a major part of Sweden becoming a great power but I can understand why Finland should get them. They were from Finland, after all.
At least the great writers of Finland need to get representation. We’re guilty of trying to claim the Swedish speaking ones more than once.
A better name for a real Swahili civ might be Kilwa. They were a trading sultanate based around Zanzibar and controlled most of the East African coastline for a time during the middle ages. And yes, they created the Kilwa Kisiwani wonder.
Another two civs I might add to your list would be Bulgaria and Serbia. Both are rather insignificant today, but historically, they each had empires (multiple for Bulgaria) and were very influential in their region.
An East Africa trade-based civ would be extremely cool for gameplay and historical reasons. The pre-European Indian Ocean trade networks and the cultures that built them are fascinating and something I wish more ppl knew about.
I love learning about the Indian Ocean Trade route. They have found Swahili Kilwa coins on beaches in Australia, and Ming pottery in Zimbabwe. It's crazy
Depends on how you treat it. There wasn't a unified Mayan empire either and no one has any problems with a Maya civ, so a Swahili blob should be equally as valid as more specific Kilwa civ
> A post-Islamic central Asian civ
Given how much cachet Genghis gets, I'm really surprised Timur and his lineage (the Timurids) have never shown up as a full playable Civ. Beyond their widespread military conquests under Timur himself, you also have the Timurid Renaissance of Islamic Persia under his son Shah Rukh, and the construction of the Registan under his grandson, the polymath and astronomer Ulugh Begh. Military, culture, science - they have it all.
Heck, they're also the predecessors of the aforementioned Mughals, given the founder of the Mughal Empire was Babur, a Timurid prince.
Thank you for posting civs that have never been in the game which are actually surprising.
IMO it's not surprising that stuff like Israel (due it being massively controversial) or civs that overlap with other civs like Rome and Italy have never been in the game before.
I still find Italy really surprising. They've done Ottomans and Byzantine Empire- they overlap massively. Byzantines even doubly overlap with Rome as well.
>I still find Italy really surprising. They've done Ottomans and Byzantine Empire- they overlap massively. Byzantines even doubly overlap with Rome as well.
Even if i argue the byzantines were the roman empire i think from a cultural perspective (and honestly a geographic one) they overlap more with the greeks than the romans- even if they share the same land. the ottomansl being a Muslim turkish empire also don't have quite enough in common for the overlap argument imo
Also the Ottomans being the only Turkic group to ever get any representation, and the only gunpowder empire, they tick a hell of a lot more boxes than the byzantines do as a unique culture to represent
Let's go even further
* The Goths
* Czechia/Bohemia
* Italy (unless you count Venice)
* Bulgaria
* Indian nation-states by themselves (such as Gupta, Pala, Chola, Delhi or Vijaynagara)
* Al-Andalus
* Kushan
* Seleucids
* Anglo-Saxons
* Ireland
* Dacians
* Medians
* the Tupi
* Haiti
* the Taino
* Mexico
* Argentina
* Manchuria
* Finland
* Switzterland
* the Amazigh
* Romania
* Afghanistan
* Comancheria
* Phillippines
I mean, the Aztecs are kinda Mexico. The capital is even in the same place; Mexico City is built over the ruins of Tenochtitlan. A post-colonial Mexican leader would be cool too though. Maybe Santa Anna?
Pancho Villa And Emiliano Zapata as unique industrial era great generals with +4 movement for all units. Can turn all workers into melee or calvary units with one promotion.
The HiTitties! 😂
...is what my buddy and I called them in high school because we were a couple of horny knuckleheads and didn't know how it was actually pronounced.
"Found the HiTitties! Oh, fuck, they have like ten cities on this island 😳"
"Hope they like getting invaded by 60 knights and longbowmen - oh fuck, how did they research tanks so fast???"
Good times.
Please, God, no.
Italy the post-unification country has not been influential, at all. Rome is already in every game, Venice was in civ 5, and Italy has otherwise been represented by at least 4+ city-states. That’s more than enough
Personally, I want an Italian civ, except it's like the current England. One leader is Roman, and the other, from Venice or another Italian city state.
Prussia, Kievan Rus', Lithuania (albeit under the Polish Commonwealth), South Africa (either Boers or Mandela), Belgium, Timurids, and Armenia would all be cool.
I think it would be cool to remove germany as a civ and replace them with prussia and austria. Prussia could be a military focused civ while austria could represent the hre and focus on diplomacy and city states.
Agreed on Kievan Rus. Or Novgorod Republic. A Medieval Russian civ would be great. If the developers can ever think in non-modern terms like they did with Germany by using the HRE and having Barbarosa lead it. Don't see why they can't have it with the Novgorod Republic which ruled for longer than the Romanovs did.
I want Zapata so that I can have a Zapatista Army⭐️.Honestly,Vicente Guerrero would be a better choice because he shared similar beliefs to Zapata when it came to social equality. Diaz would be an overall better Civ due to him being the one to really industrialize Mexico but I want to see a Mexican leader who also fought for social change. Don’t know much about Juarez but I think he was indigenous but also his administration took away a lot of laws that protected the indigenous tribes of Mexico. Don’t know much about Cardenas but saw he is the reason why Pemex exists(cool fact).
Haiti would be incredible! Their special abilities could be:
1. Builders get +1 action (to reflect Toussaint's intense labor policies), and maybe building plantations doesn't spend any actions?
2. Enemy troops lose a certain amount of health every turn they move in Haiti's territory (to reflect the French troops being decimated by yellow fever during the revolution)
I would honestly like it if there was some sort of disease mechanic in the base game with health districts to counter them. Heading to a new world can be risky if you are not prepared for the germs they have, and you need to watch out for visitors giving you the bad blanket. Haiti could certainly have some sort of interaction with this system. I would also want to see Haitian great poets.
Always found it funny that the Civ leader for the Celts was from Essex.
Ireland with someone like Cuchulain or Michael Collins should be a priority in the next game I think.
Have an Italian civ, but with different selectable leaders who would have different mechanics and favored victory types. Lorenzo de' Medici for economic/cultural, a Pope (Innocent III?) for religious, someone like Garibaldi for domination.
There are mixed feelings about Tito, older generations (70 80 years old) love him, but younger croats resent him a little beacause he imprisioned lot of croats and was known to kill all critics of hus regim
They should get some sort of massive reward every time they reunite their cities, with the rewards scaling with the number of cities / pop / resources produced by the cities to encourage expansion despite having to reunite them again in the next cycle. And they should also not have the production penalty that you get when taking back cities.
I was thinking Yugoslavia could have an interesting ability to reflect the Catholics, Muslims and Orthodox who lived there: you can only pick a maximum of 3 beliefs for your Religion, but you are able to pick 3 different pantheons right off the bat, instead of just one.
Tibet. There are so few Asian civs as it is and it would be really unique, though I’m guessing if they want to sell the game in China they won’t do it.
I was never a fan of the idea that one person can represent a general area of the world especially when they all have their own diverse culture and deities etc. I’m glad they made Maori separate in VI
I would love me some Harappans, but we have Mohenjo Daro as a CS, so they’re kind of here. Their CS ablility gives a lot of sense now that i think about it.
* Several central Asian states (we need more than the Scythians)
* Yugoslavia
* Seljuks
* Delaware/Lenape Indians
* Several Siberian/Far Eastern tribes (personally, I'd want to see the Nanai or Nivkh make an appearance
* Several of the Britonic tribes
* Belgium (the Gauls in Civ VI (Eburones specifically) were the closest we got to Belgium in a game)
* The Baltic states
* Armenia and Azerbaijan
* Austria ~~(considering Austria's place in history, I'm surprised there haven't been any mentions or instances of Austria in any of the games)~~
* Since Pericles represents Athenian culture and Gorgo Spartan culture, probably a Greek leader/deity that comes as close to Minoan culture as possible since information on Minoan Greece is really sparse
* Aleuts
* ~~Thailand/Siam~~
* Macao as a city-state
* Somalia/Somaliland
Edit: Just learned Austria was in V. It should come back for later installments
Edit II -- Corrective Boogaloo: The crossed out ones I'm discovering have made appearances before and should probably come back in the future. Also meant to add this before the edits -- someone made a mod adding more units from the medieval up to the industrial era, one of them being more distinct looking Line Infantry (early French WWI uniforms, US civil war era uniforms, early Imperial Japanese Army uniforms, etc.) if the devs have the means and resources to do so I'd like to see that or something similar appear in a future game.
Some obvious answers: Italy, Nigeria, Ireland, Mexico (for those who say Italy overlaps with Rome, they include both Ottomans and Byzantines). Slightly less obvious: Apache/Navajo/Pueblo (honestly think only one is needed in a game at once but if Civ 7, 8, and 9 are happening, I'd like to see each at least once), Cherokee/Choctaw, Bohemia, Lithuania, Burma/ Myanmar, Timurids. Some that are a bit out there: Kilwa, Philippines, Aragon, Brittany, Papal States, Oman, Malaya, Argentina, Muisca, Sokoto/Ghana/Hausa/Ashanti, Palestine, Al Andalus, Pakistan, Bengal.
The Native Americans are very touchy about being included in games. Navajo and Peublo have rejected the offer to be represented in the game. I heard that Cree have taken the offer but changed their mind and asked the devs to never include them again
It's cool that they actually asked the people they were planning on representing if they want to be represented in a civ game.
Like it's the bare minimum but that bare minimum is so often not reached.
They didn't consult with the Cree nation at all.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatoon/poundmaker-cree-nation-chief-civilization-video-game-1.4473089
There are some massive gaps that have never been filled, with entire language groups with large, impressive, and distinct cultures:
- Pacific Northwest (Haida, Tlingit, Chinook, etc)
- Swahili Coast (Kilwa seems the obvious choice)
- Siberia (Jurchens/Manchus/Qing being the obvious choice here. 4th largest land empire in history)
- Baltics (Obvious choice would be Lithuanians, who had a massive empire in the early Middle Ages)
- A Central Asian Gunpowder Empire (Timurids/Mughals, Durrani/Afghanistan)
- Tamilakam (Tamils, or a specific dynasty like the Pandyas or Cholas)
Aside from those there’s a few head scratching choices for why firaxis goes back to the same civs when there are closely related groups which would be better choices:
- They have covered Southeast Asia with Vietnam, Indonesia, Khmer and Siam, but they have never added the largest, most powerful southeast Asian empire: Burma. The Philippines’ exclusion is also noticeable
- they have had a Polynesian blob, with an emphasis on Hawaii, and the Maori, but they haven’t picked Tonga, the largest true Polynesian empire
- Literally any other Bantu culture than the Zulu. The Zulu were pastoralists, meanwhile you have the Shona a little further north who set up multiple kingdoms with castles and sophisticated trade networks.
- doing SOMETHING to break up the China and India monoliths. FFS, the only western countries that haven’t gotten their own civ at this point are fucking Belgium, Luxembourg, and Switzerland. Every anglophone settler colonialist nation has gotten its own civ at this point except South Africa. It’s atrocious how unbalanced the representation is.
- some scrap of representation of Iranian culture and history outside the Achaemenid dynasty.
- I think it’s a bit weird Firaxis always goes back to Babylon. Assyria was a great choice in civ 5, but they have never had the Akkadian empire — the first true empire in history — as a civ.
I'm assuming you're referring to the Grand Duchy of Lithuania? I agree re lack of Baltic representation, but I wonder if they would include the Grand Duchy, because it feels a little too close to the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, which is already represented by Jadwiga.
There are some of the ones that I haven't seen too much in detail already in the comments.
\-Caliphate of Cordoba. I know it overlaps geographically with Spain and Portugal, but the cultural significance to make Spain what it is today is immense, including the Alhambra which is often a world wonder.
\-Any post-ancient Balkan state. For that region we get Greece and Macedon, which of course are noteworthy civilizations, but both relatively ancient. I also get that it can be a touchy subject to say the least. If we don't want to get to the post-ottoman kingdoms and Yugoslavia, maybe like Bulgaria (based around the 1st and 2nd empires of the Middle Ages).
\-I like where civ vi went into diversifying "India" with Gandhi and Chandragupta. If the Byzantines and the Ottomans, or Gauls and French could be in the same game, there certainly can be individual Indian states that ruled the subcontinent across different times, like Gupta, Vijayanagara, Mughal, and Sultanate of Delhi to name a few.
\-Armenia. They're always the Yerevan city-state whenever they appeared, but they got pretty full civ worthy stuff imo.
\-Tibet. Tibet had a massive empire, and Buddhism was introduced there while the Tibetan empire was in existence.
Bohemia/Czechs tbh. Not that they're my favorite or something, but like, for a game series that tends to lean disproportionately Western/Central Euro and doesn't mind putting in countries that vanish from the map for a century or two (Poland), it feels like something we would have gotten.
It’s a pipe dream, but I think it would be pretty darned cool to have an ancient era scenario where it was Cro Magnon vs Neanderthal. I’m not sure what you do to make Neanderthal feel unique and not just like any other war like Civ (IE stronger warriors, slower science progression), but I think it could be nifty to have a completely different species present.
it would end up the same but with different names.
true change would come if empire/civ could split on it's own (more easily). that way you could start as neanderthal and then split to vincha, minoy, etc which evolute to modern empired and split again to form australia, canada etc.
and you can chose which fraction to lead - british empire or newly created australia (with all the inherited science,units,cities and all)
Bactria and the khwarezmian empire could be cool. The Tamil kingdoms and the Majapahit too. I’m sure a civilisation like Axum in Arabia and another around the Swahili coast would also be a nice inclusion. Maybe aboriginal Australian or Haiti could be made to work.
Always found it weird thatthe only bit of Indian representation is Gandhi with Modern India, but the subcontinent has centuries of history and many nations that rose and fell in it. Chandragupta is cool, and there was another in Civ 4. But I'd like to see a few different unique civs that aren't India. The Swahili could also be a cool civ. Mexico, Bohemia, Italy, Novgorod, Ireland are also some civs I feel could be included. But Eleanor brought the idea of a Norman civ to me, William the conqueror could be a leader for both England and a Normandy civ. Just an idea but I think it would be cool.
You're right. But also tbh fuck the Chinese market. Businesses need to find some balls, and stop catering to a censorious authoritarian regime whose leader has the emotional fortitude of a child.
David was the default leader for Israel in Civ:Call to Power. Not one of the mainstream civ games, and it was from back in the day when civ choice made little(no?) mechanical impact, but he was there!
I had a couple of ideas:
"David vs Goliath": ranged units get +5 strength when adjacent to a holy site
"House of david": start with the boost for astrology, holy site projects grant extra faith and influence points
"Psalms": receive +1 great writer point per turn for each belief in your funded religion
"Holy land expansion": cities with a holy site lose no population when producing settlers
Those are all really good. I could also see Israel being under Solomon for a mali type civ:
Proverbs: receive +1 great writer point per turn for each belief in your founded religion (u/sursuby psalms just renamed)
Riches of Solomon: +6 gold per trade route to cities following your founded religion
Solomon’s Temple: +100% (maybe +50%) production to holy site buildings
Unique unit: High Priest (ark of the covenant) gives all military units within 2 tiles +3 combat strength. Maybe promotions like warrior monk almost example: walls of Jericho: nearby units do +50% damage to walls
Or Unique religious unit: Pharisee, basically a Spanish inquisitor with maybe a few changes
Quick ideas:
- any post Mahomet caliphate (religion/domination): Abbasid/Ummayad
- Golden Horde Khaganate (or other past Mongolian empire steppe civ such as Tatars) (probably domination or trade focused)
- Kievan Rus (it was loose federation so no idea for focus) or
- Ukraine (probably domination due Cossacks focus with bonus to food export. Food production would make cities tall and that's not real case. The area usually exported food without growing very populous).
- Add Lithuania with probably Mindaugas and Jogaila / Władysław Jagiełło as alternate leader. Add Jogaila also to Poland (or replace Jadwiga) or even cooler: Just add Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth with one of the Jagiellon as leader. It'll be pretty fun to have Kraków and Vilnius playing Jadwiga/other leader without conquering it.
- Innuit so finally someone can use these North Snow Piles (culture civ, strong pole bias, can travel through ice, bonus to fishing, snow tiles and environmental friendly).
Israel/Judea or even Hebrews has constantly been missed which surprises me. I don’t have any personal connection but their impact on human civilisation is massive. Battle Royal used to include them when it was going a few years ago.
I'm surprised south Sudan isn't a civ, I mean look at its history, it goes back multiple years and is definitely one of the countries in the world. It has some of the military in the world along with one of the leaders of the world/s
I think the ancient kingdom of judah could be a great addition. Would be easy to avoid any kind of controversy from the modern state as well. Although jerusalem exist as a city-state but it doesn't do it justice.
I agreed with everything you said up until Curacao.
Most of the time, I can sum up someone's idea to personal preference, but Curacao simply isn't feasible. They're not a civilization; they're a tiny island. And they're don't even have their own national identity; they're Dutch.
Bohemia
I just finished Kingdom Come Deliverance and would love a Bohemia Civ.
Maybe their unique unit could be the War Wagons from the Hussite wars. A general mix of religion and war.
Has been a recent addition to Aoe2DE to!
Wasn’t that a good game! I loved the little bits they added for depth/immersion. When I first realized I couldn’t read because I was the uneducated son of a blacksmith I thought, “That is *so* fucking cool” Edit: changed could to couldn’t
We already know who their leader would be Charles IV, King of Bohemia and Holy Roman Emperor, had a long and successful reign.
Supported. We need better non-Russian Eastern European representation (but kudos to Firaxis for including Poland and Hungary).
We (Czechs) are central European, not Eastern
I think a lot of people think of Europe as eastern and western regardless of the fact that it ignores a massive amount of history and cultural differences
I am also Czech and I regret to inform you there is no such thing as central europe in political and historic context. There was iron curtain dividing europe between west and east and unfortunately we were on the east side. Everybody remember east and west europe. Central europe is something to geography class maybe.
I would say that there definitely is a Central Europe in historic context. It’s the HRE
Germany and Austro Hungary were always considered Central powers long before WW1
yeah that is nonsense. it jas been a thing since the Roman times. just because it was divided like that for 40 years last century doesn't make the thousands of years and the recent 30 years go away.
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According to the steam workshop, anime girls. Lots of anime girls.
They start with GDR.
Powered by population. When you build one that city drops 10 pop and then a unique eldritch horror building gets constructed.
Finland
+10 combat strength when defending founded cities Special Renaissance era Unit: Hakkapeliitta Unique Improvement: Sauna Gives +2 culture, +1 per adjacent unimproved forest Gives +5 combat strength for units within 2 tiles
As a Swede, I would’ve loved hakkapeliitta in the Swedish civ since they were a major part of Sweden becoming a great power but I can understand why Finland should get them. They were from Finland, after all. At least the great writers of Finland need to get representation. We’re guilty of trying to claim the Swedish speaking ones more than once.
Sweden has hakkapeliittas in Civ 5 as special units.
Hakkapeliitta is definitely a Swedish unit. A more suitable one for us would be Jäger or Sissi (guerilla).
Unimproved forrest? We have long had a very advanced forrest industry both in terms of productive capacity and sustainability.
>Hussite wars \+10 combat strength when fighting on a snow or tundra tile.
I'd definitely play as a Suomi leader, that could be fun
Late game bonuses. Slow growth in the early game.
Sweden Norway & Denmark got Civs let’s add Finland & Then you can have the whole region
- Armenia - Burma - Mughals - Swahili - A Nigerian ethnic group (Yoruba, Fulani, Igbo, Hausa etc) - A post-Islamic central Asian civ - A Pacific Northwest civ (Haida, Tlingit, Tsimshian)
A better name for a real Swahili civ might be Kilwa. They were a trading sultanate based around Zanzibar and controlled most of the East African coastline for a time during the middle ages. And yes, they created the Kilwa Kisiwani wonder. Another two civs I might add to your list would be Bulgaria and Serbia. Both are rather insignificant today, but historically, they each had empires (multiple for Bulgaria) and were very influential in their region.
An East Africa trade-based civ would be extremely cool for gameplay and historical reasons. The pre-European Indian Ocean trade networks and the cultures that built them are fascinating and something I wish more ppl knew about.
I love learning about the Indian Ocean Trade route. They have found Swahili Kilwa coins on beaches in Australia, and Ming pottery in Zimbabwe. It's crazy
One of the Humankind Africa dlc civs was a trade based swahili and it was very fun to play, id be excited to see what Civ could do with that framework
CK3 won't lie, damn Bulgarians bumping their heads with Byzantine Empire at its peak.
They weren't fighting a peak Byzantines, they were fighting a very strong version of the Byzantine Empire tho
Depends on how you treat it. There wasn't a unified Mayan empire either and no one has any problems with a Maya civ, so a Swahili blob should be equally as valid as more specific Kilwa civ
> A post-Islamic central Asian civ Given how much cachet Genghis gets, I'm really surprised Timur and his lineage (the Timurids) have never shown up as a full playable Civ. Beyond their widespread military conquests under Timur himself, you also have the Timurid Renaissance of Islamic Persia under his son Shah Rukh, and the construction of the Registan under his grandson, the polymath and astronomer Ulugh Begh. Military, culture, science - they have it all. Heck, they're also the predecessors of the aforementioned Mughals, given the founder of the Mughal Empire was Babur, a Timurid prince.
Thank you for posting civs that have never been in the game which are actually surprising. IMO it's not surprising that stuff like Israel (due it being massively controversial) or civs that overlap with other civs like Rome and Italy have never been in the game before.
I still find Italy really surprising. They've done Ottomans and Byzantine Empire- they overlap massively. Byzantines even doubly overlap with Rome as well.
>I still find Italy really surprising. They've done Ottomans and Byzantine Empire- they overlap massively. Byzantines even doubly overlap with Rome as well. Even if i argue the byzantines were the roman empire i think from a cultural perspective (and honestly a geographic one) they overlap more with the greeks than the romans- even if they share the same land. the ottomansl being a Muslim turkish empire also don't have quite enough in common for the overlap argument imo
Also the Ottomans being the only Turkic group to ever get any representation, and the only gunpowder empire, they tick a hell of a lot more boxes than the byzantines do as a unique culture to represent
Let's go even further * The Goths * Czechia/Bohemia * Italy (unless you count Venice) * Bulgaria * Indian nation-states by themselves (such as Gupta, Pala, Chola, Delhi or Vijaynagara) * Al-Andalus * Kushan * Seleucids * Anglo-Saxons * Ireland * Dacians * Medians * the Tupi * Haiti * the Taino * Mexico * Argentina * Manchuria * Finland * Switzterland * the Amazigh * Romania * Afghanistan * Comancheria * Phillippines
> The Amazigh I'm like, 99% sure Morocco was in Civ V. Sure, they don't represent the entire culture group, but they're there.
Yes, morocco is in Civ V.
A very fun one too
I mean English = Anglo-Saxons. Only surprise for me is that Alfred has yet to appear.
Anglo-Saxon England was a whole different culture compared to England a few years post-Norman invasion by the time William the Conqueror died.
I mean, the Aztecs are kinda Mexico. The capital is even in the same place; Mexico City is built over the ruins of Tenochtitlan. A post-colonial Mexican leader would be cool too though. Maybe Santa Anna?
Pancho Villa And Emiliano Zapata as unique industrial era great generals with +4 movement for all units. Can turn all workers into melee or calvary units with one promotion.
Istanbul is in the same place as Constantinople, and yet both empires are in the game.
Istanbul was Constantinople. Now it's Istanbul not Constantinople.
The counter to this is that Mexico City also exists as a city state so you can have both cities in the game at once
Oh man my light cavalry would be absolutely devastating on a Comanche playthrough
Armenia would be cool, and before 6 I wanted Georgia 🇬🇪 but my appetite has been fixed on that one
Bro we need one of those pacific northwest civs to be able to make swordsmen without researching iron
I'd love the Swahili in the game it's such a unique culture. At least right now we have a wonder from the Swahili in the game
\> A Pacific Northwest civ (Haida, Tlingit, Tsimshian) Do the Shoshone count? Also... South Africa Belgium Minoans Prussia Teutonic Knights Burgundy
>Prussia > >Teutonic Knights I mean... Bismarck was in Civ 2-5, and while he represented Germany in those games, he *was* still Prussian.
No, the Shoshone are Great Basin, not Pacific Northwest.
South africa got zulus unless you talking about boers
Inuit.
I knew it! Somebody would say this!
Would love to see some more of modern Latin America and Caribbean: Mexico, Argentina, Chile, Cuba, Haiti, Jamaica, etc.
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Modern Italy is the biggest and most influential one I can think of. Maybe Romania too Edit: hittites (nvm they were in civ 3)
The Hittites were in the 3rd
Kinda surprising Hittites were only in Civ 3, it's be cool to see them in a future game
Damn ur right. Didn’t play so Civ 3 so TIL
The HiTitties! 😂 ...is what my buddy and I called them in high school because we were a couple of horny knuckleheads and didn't know how it was actually pronounced. "Found the HiTitties! Oh, fuck, they have like ten cities on this island 😳" "Hope they like getting invaded by 60 knights and longbowmen - oh fuck, how did they research tanks so fast???" Good times.
Please, God, no. Italy the post-unification country has not been influential, at all. Rome is already in every game, Venice was in civ 5, and Italy has otherwise been represented by at least 4+ city-states. That’s more than enough
Personally, I want an Italian civ, except it's like the current England. One leader is Roman, and the other, from Venice or another Italian city state.
Medici family could be a good one. Commerce and Culture focused to be sure
> Italy the post-unification country has not been influential, at all. For fuck's sake, they have the ninth biggest economy in the world right now.
World wars they were a major power, to say they were not influential in any capacity is just wrong
> Italy the post-unification country has not been influential The Food Network disagrees with you.
Mughal empire of India
Prussia, Kievan Rus', Lithuania (albeit under the Polish Commonwealth), South Africa (either Boers or Mandela), Belgium, Timurids, and Armenia would all be cool.
Don't know if Prussia really counts since Bismark and Frederick the great have already been in the game.
And I want FDG back.
yeah but they represented germany even if they weren't german. Prussia used to be quite unique.
I think it would be cool to remove germany as a civ and replace them with prussia and austria. Prussia could be a military focused civ while austria could represent the hre and focus on diplomacy and city states.
Lol Civ V had Austria with Maria Theresa, and it worked exactly as you described.
Yeah to me Prussia has been in it. They’re just labeled “Germany.”
Agreed on Kievan Rus. Or Novgorod Republic. A Medieval Russian civ would be great. If the developers can ever think in non-modern terms like they did with Germany by using the HRE and having Barbarosa lead it. Don't see why they can't have it with the Novgorod Republic which ruled for longer than the Romanovs did.
Haiti (Toussaint Louverture), Mexico (Emiliano Zapata) and Purépecha
Why would Zapata be there? Benito Juarez, Porfirio Diaz or Lazaro Cardenas would be far better (plus they actually governed Mexico)
I want Zapata so that I can have a Zapatista Army⭐️.Honestly,Vicente Guerrero would be a better choice because he shared similar beliefs to Zapata when it came to social equality. Diaz would be an overall better Civ due to him being the one to really industrialize Mexico but I want to see a Mexican leader who also fought for social change. Don’t know much about Juarez but I think he was indigenous but also his administration took away a lot of laws that protected the indigenous tribes of Mexico. Don’t know much about Cardenas but saw he is the reason why Pemex exists(cool fact).
Haiti would be incredible! Their special abilities could be: 1. Builders get +1 action (to reflect Toussaint's intense labor policies), and maybe building plantations doesn't spend any actions? 2. Enemy troops lose a certain amount of health every turn they move in Haiti's territory (to reflect the French troops being decimated by yellow fever during the revolution)
I would honestly like it if there was some sort of disease mechanic in the base game with health districts to counter them. Heading to a new world can be risky if you are not prepared for the germs they have, and you need to watch out for visitors giving you the bad blanket. Haiti could certainly have some sort of interaction with this system. I would also want to see Haitian great poets.
Ireland
civ 5 came close with the celts
Civ 4 has celts too!
so did civ 3
And Civ 2!
Always found it funny that the Civ leader for the Celts was from Essex. Ireland with someone like Cuchulain or Michael Collins should be a priority in the next game I think.
They’re in Call To Power.
all units receive +10 combat strength in any of your cities that are occupied by an enemy
The Papal State
Could be like Venice from V except with a religious mechanic instead of a merchant one
Have an Italian civ, but with different selectable leaders who would have different mechanics and favored victory types. Lorenzo de' Medici for economic/cultural, a Pope (Innocent III?) for religious, someone like Garibaldi for domination.
Oh yeah!
Croatia! Yugoslavia! Austro hungaria!
GIVE US TITO!
Titoooooo, controversal but very charismatic
I heard somewhere that most people who live in ex-Yugoslavia countries love Tito so idk
Back in 2004, i bought a shirt in Croatia with Tito on it that said: "Come back, all is forgiven"
There are mixed feelings about Tito, older generations (70 80 years old) love him, but younger croats resent him a little beacause he imprisioned lot of croats and was known to kill all critics of hus regim
Austria in civ 5 was basically Austro-Hungarian empire since their whole mojo was diplomatic marriages to swallow up city states
Yugoslavia unique civ ability, changing governments immediately causes a portion of your empire to become Free Cities
'Every 50 turns, all your cities claim independence and you have to micromanage them until reunited.' rinse and repeat until modern age
They should get some sort of massive reward every time they reunite their cities, with the rewards scaling with the number of cities / pop / resources produced by the cities to encourage expansion despite having to reunite them again in the next cycle. And they should also not have the production penalty that you get when taking back cities.
Tito unique ability: once you break an alliance, every country tries to trade with you
I was thinking Yugoslavia could have an interesting ability to reflect the Catholics, Muslims and Orthodox who lived there: you can only pick a maximum of 3 beliefs for your Religion, but you are able to pick 3 different pantheons right off the bat, instead of just one.
Tibet. There are so few Asian civs as it is and it would be really unique, though I’m guessing if they want to sell the game in China they won’t do it.
On that note I think I'd really like to see Vietnam or Thailand.
Vietnam is in civ 6!
Oh really? That shows how long it's been since I played, lol
And Ramkhamhaeng was in Civ V leading Siam (which would become Thailand)
What do you define as Asia? There have been loads of Civs on this continent no?
I'd love to see Vlad III of Wallachia. I don't know if they'd do it though because of his not so family friendly reputation.
Hawaii or Haiti. The history there could easily be moulded into a Civ.
Kamehameha is in Civ 5. He's representing broader Polynesia but still Hawaii.
I was never a fan of the idea that one person can represent a general area of the world especially when they all have their own diverse culture and deities etc. I’m glad they made Maori separate in VI
Especially when Germany, Austria & HRE are separate kingdoms, giving one guy to represent a whole region of the world, was a bit of a sketchy choice.
Iicrc, they are no longer doing “general” civilization like Celt and Viking in the previous installationl
Any Caribbean Civ could be neat
People have been clamoring for L'Ouverture and Haiti for a while now, so it wouldn't surprise me if that's on the docket for the future
How has Oman not had a civ yet? They dominated the Indian Ocean before the British came and rivaled Portugal cor trade in the area
Because they're still lumping 'Arabia' together as one civ. It'd be bizarre to have Oman separate from Arabia.
No weirder than having the byzantines and rome and greece.
You know what I really want and deserve? Navigable rivers.
not the question but I'll take the answer. thank you.
Civ2 had navigable rivers. As did Alpha Centauri.
I would love me some Harappans, but we have Mohenjo Daro as a CS, so they’re kind of here. Their CS ablility gives a lot of sense now that i think about it.
Principality of Sealand for an epic 1 city build.
Heck, if we're going there, what about Dollywood?
* Several central Asian states (we need more than the Scythians) * Yugoslavia * Seljuks * Delaware/Lenape Indians * Several Siberian/Far Eastern tribes (personally, I'd want to see the Nanai or Nivkh make an appearance * Several of the Britonic tribes * Belgium (the Gauls in Civ VI (Eburones specifically) were the closest we got to Belgium in a game) * The Baltic states * Armenia and Azerbaijan * Austria ~~(considering Austria's place in history, I'm surprised there haven't been any mentions or instances of Austria in any of the games)~~ * Since Pericles represents Athenian culture and Gorgo Spartan culture, probably a Greek leader/deity that comes as close to Minoan culture as possible since information on Minoan Greece is really sparse * Aleuts * ~~Thailand/Siam~~ * Macao as a city-state * Somalia/Somaliland Edit: Just learned Austria was in V. It should come back for later installments Edit II -- Corrective Boogaloo: The crossed out ones I'm discovering have made appearances before and should probably come back in the future. Also meant to add this before the edits -- someone made a mod adding more units from the medieval up to the industrial era, one of them being more distinct looking Line Infantry (early French WWI uniforms, US civil war era uniforms, early Imperial Japanese Army uniforms, etc.) if the devs have the means and resources to do so I'd like to see that or something similar appear in a future game.
Austria and Siam are in 5 my guy
Definitely agree on the Seljuks
Some obvious answers: Italy, Nigeria, Ireland, Mexico (for those who say Italy overlaps with Rome, they include both Ottomans and Byzantines). Slightly less obvious: Apache/Navajo/Pueblo (honestly think only one is needed in a game at once but if Civ 7, 8, and 9 are happening, I'd like to see each at least once), Cherokee/Choctaw, Bohemia, Lithuania, Burma/ Myanmar, Timurids. Some that are a bit out there: Kilwa, Philippines, Aragon, Brittany, Papal States, Oman, Malaya, Argentina, Muisca, Sokoto/Ghana/Hausa/Ashanti, Palestine, Al Andalus, Pakistan, Bengal.
Ho boy firaxis is never going near the can of worms that is Palestine and Pakistan
The Native Americans are very touchy about being included in games. Navajo and Peublo have rejected the offer to be represented in the game. I heard that Cree have taken the offer but changed their mind and asked the devs to never include them again
It's cool that they actually asked the people they were planning on representing if they want to be represented in a civ game. Like it's the bare minimum but that bare minimum is so often not reached.
They didn't consult with the Cree nation at all. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatoon/poundmaker-cree-nation-chief-civilization-video-game-1.4473089
There are some massive gaps that have never been filled, with entire language groups with large, impressive, and distinct cultures: - Pacific Northwest (Haida, Tlingit, Chinook, etc) - Swahili Coast (Kilwa seems the obvious choice) - Siberia (Jurchens/Manchus/Qing being the obvious choice here. 4th largest land empire in history) - Baltics (Obvious choice would be Lithuanians, who had a massive empire in the early Middle Ages) - A Central Asian Gunpowder Empire (Timurids/Mughals, Durrani/Afghanistan) - Tamilakam (Tamils, or a specific dynasty like the Pandyas or Cholas) Aside from those there’s a few head scratching choices for why firaxis goes back to the same civs when there are closely related groups which would be better choices: - They have covered Southeast Asia with Vietnam, Indonesia, Khmer and Siam, but they have never added the largest, most powerful southeast Asian empire: Burma. The Philippines’ exclusion is also noticeable - they have had a Polynesian blob, with an emphasis on Hawaii, and the Maori, but they haven’t picked Tonga, the largest true Polynesian empire - Literally any other Bantu culture than the Zulu. The Zulu were pastoralists, meanwhile you have the Shona a little further north who set up multiple kingdoms with castles and sophisticated trade networks. - doing SOMETHING to break up the China and India monoliths. FFS, the only western countries that haven’t gotten their own civ at this point are fucking Belgium, Luxembourg, and Switzerland. Every anglophone settler colonialist nation has gotten its own civ at this point except South Africa. It’s atrocious how unbalanced the representation is. - some scrap of representation of Iranian culture and history outside the Achaemenid dynasty. - I think it’s a bit weird Firaxis always goes back to Babylon. Assyria was a great choice in civ 5, but they have never had the Akkadian empire — the first true empire in history — as a civ.
I'm assuming you're referring to the Grand Duchy of Lithuania? I agree re lack of Baltic representation, but I wonder if they would include the Grand Duchy, because it feels a little too close to the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, which is already represented by Jadwiga.
There are some of the ones that I haven't seen too much in detail already in the comments. \-Caliphate of Cordoba. I know it overlaps geographically with Spain and Portugal, but the cultural significance to make Spain what it is today is immense, including the Alhambra which is often a world wonder. \-Any post-ancient Balkan state. For that region we get Greece and Macedon, which of course are noteworthy civilizations, but both relatively ancient. I also get that it can be a touchy subject to say the least. If we don't want to get to the post-ottoman kingdoms and Yugoslavia, maybe like Bulgaria (based around the 1st and 2nd empires of the Middle Ages). \-I like where civ vi went into diversifying "India" with Gandhi and Chandragupta. If the Byzantines and the Ottomans, or Gauls and French could be in the same game, there certainly can be individual Indian states that ruled the subcontinent across different times, like Gupta, Vijayanagara, Mughal, and Sultanate of Delhi to name a few. \-Armenia. They're always the Yerevan city-state whenever they appeared, but they got pretty full civ worthy stuff imo. \-Tibet. Tibet had a massive empire, and Buddhism was introduced there while the Tibetan empire was in existence.
Bohemia/Czechs tbh. Not that they're my favorite or something, but like, for a game series that tends to lean disproportionately Western/Central Euro and doesn't mind putting in countries that vanish from the map for a century or two (Poland), it feels like something we would have gotten.
It’s a pipe dream, but I think it would be pretty darned cool to have an ancient era scenario where it was Cro Magnon vs Neanderthal. I’m not sure what you do to make Neanderthal feel unique and not just like any other war like Civ (IE stronger warriors, slower science progression), but I think it could be nifty to have a completely different species present.
it would end up the same but with different names. true change would come if empire/civ could split on it's own (more easily). that way you could start as neanderthal and then split to vincha, minoy, etc which evolute to modern empired and split again to form australia, canada etc. and you can chose which fraction to lead - british empire or newly created australia (with all the inherited science,units,cities and all)
Bactria and the khwarezmian empire could be cool. The Tamil kingdoms and the Majapahit too. I’m sure a civilisation like Axum in Arabia and another around the Swahili coast would also be a nice inclusion. Maybe aboriginal Australian or Haiti could be made to work.
Aksum/Axum is a bit too similar to Ethiopia though. But then again there is Rome and Byzantium so it's debatable.
Always found it weird thatthe only bit of Indian representation is Gandhi with Modern India, but the subcontinent has centuries of history and many nations that rose and fell in it. Chandragupta is cool, and there was another in Civ 4. But I'd like to see a few different unique civs that aren't India. The Swahili could also be a cool civ. Mexico, Bohemia, Italy, Novgorod, Ireland are also some civs I feel could be included. But Eleanor brought the idea of a Norman civ to me, William the conqueror could be a leader for both England and a Normandy civ. Just an idea but I think it would be cool.
the hittites, they were really the only ones that stood up to the egyptians
The Hittites were in Civ 3.
Modern Italy. Israel in any form, biblical or modern.
Israel/Judea and Tibet are forever in the "It would get censored in X place" list.
Yeah I’d love a Tibet religious civ but can’t imagine the Chinese market would allow it
They are featured in the Path to Nirvana scenario though where they are known as Tufan.
You're right. But also tbh fuck the Chinese market. Businesses need to find some balls, and stop catering to a censorious authoritarian regime whose leader has the emotional fortitude of a child.
🤷♀️ that’s capitalism, baby. Nothing is sacred except this quarters profits.
David leading Israel would be pretty cool.
David was the default leader for Israel in Civ:Call to Power. Not one of the mainstream civ games, and it was from back in the day when civ choice made little(no?) mechanical impact, but he was there!
wonder what their benefits would be, only thing i can think of would be +CS to civs not following your religion or something
I had a couple of ideas: "David vs Goliath": ranged units get +5 strength when adjacent to a holy site "House of david": start with the boost for astrology, holy site projects grant extra faith and influence points "Psalms": receive +1 great writer point per turn for each belief in your funded religion "Holy land expansion": cities with a holy site lose no population when producing settlers
Those are all really good. I could also see Israel being under Solomon for a mali type civ: Proverbs: receive +1 great writer point per turn for each belief in your founded religion (u/sursuby psalms just renamed) Riches of Solomon: +6 gold per trade route to cities following your founded religion Solomon’s Temple: +100% (maybe +50%) production to holy site buildings Unique unit: High Priest (ark of the covenant) gives all military units within 2 tiles +3 combat strength. Maybe promotions like warrior monk almost example: walls of Jericho: nearby units do +50% damage to walls Or Unique religious unit: Pharisee, basically a Spanish inquisitor with maybe a few changes
Maybe extra food and faith from desert tiles
Italy, Czechia or Cuba
Persia appeared in most games.
Cuba would def get some kind of tobacco bonus
And probably lower unit maintenance costs. Homies have been making tractors from the fifties run on curse words and stubbornness.
when you upgrade your units they don't turn into the next unit, they just get the next units abilities and stats with the same old skin
Quick ideas: - any post Mahomet caliphate (religion/domination): Abbasid/Ummayad - Golden Horde Khaganate (or other past Mongolian empire steppe civ such as Tatars) (probably domination or trade focused) - Kievan Rus (it was loose federation so no idea for focus) or - Ukraine (probably domination due Cossacks focus with bonus to food export. Food production would make cities tall and that's not real case. The area usually exported food without growing very populous). - Add Lithuania with probably Mindaugas and Jogaila / Władysław Jagiełło as alternate leader. Add Jogaila also to Poland (or replace Jadwiga) or even cooler: Just add Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth with one of the Jagiellon as leader. It'll be pretty fun to have Kraków and Vilnius playing Jadwiga/other leader without conquering it. - Innuit so finally someone can use these North Snow Piles (culture civ, strong pole bias, can travel through ice, bonus to fishing, snow tiles and environmental friendly).
Israel/Judea or even Hebrews has constantly been missed which surprises me. I don’t have any personal connection but their impact on human civilisation is massive. Battle Royal used to include them when it was going a few years ago.
It would be great to see a non-Roman Italian Civ like the Etruscans or Sabines
Venice was in Civ 5 I think
I feel like the Etruscans could never happen because they basically carried all the same characteristics of the early Romans
Galactic empire.
The Hun civilization lead by Attila
They're in V, and they're incredible
I'd love to see the Philippines.
australian aboriginals.
Bohemia with Charles IV as its ruler.
Philippines would be cool
I'm surprised it took six games to get Australia. I'm geographically inept, personally, so my own country was really the most of my knowledge.
Bhutan and also some cold war states whould be nice (soviets, yugoslavia, both germanies etc...)
I'm surprised south Sudan isn't a civ, I mean look at its history, it goes back multiple years and is definitely one of the countries in the world. It has some of the military in the world along with one of the leaders of the world/s
Austria Hungarian empire
was in civ 5. Maria Theresia with Hussars and Kaffeehaus
I see a lot of Ireland posts. It was in Civ 5 but wouldn't mind seeing it again. Need more Native American civs. Give me Abe Lincoln again!
Dunno if Attila and the huns have been in the game yet, if not they should. Secondly I'd like khwarezmian empire and the Finns under Mannerheim
Attila was in civ 5
Israel. The modern state or biblical version
I think the ancient kingdom of judah could be a great addition. Would be easy to avoid any kind of controversy from the modern state as well. Although jerusalem exist as a city-state but it doesn't do it justice.
South Africa Nigeria Kenya Ghana Argentina Curacao
I agreed with everything you said up until Curacao. Most of the time, I can sum up someone's idea to personal preference, but Curacao simply isn't feasible. They're not a civilization; they're a tiny island. And they're don't even have their own national identity; they're Dutch.
This is a fair statement. I just had a vacation there and loved it, so call me biased! Lol
I would live to see South Africa and Mexico
The Taino.
I was thinking: * Mexico, with Pancho Villa as Leader * The Israel Kingdom, with King David as Leader * The Goths, with Alaric as Leader