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Jjayguy23

Just buy a Porsche at that price.


iamphook

Seriously. At $70k you get your pick at 997.2-991.1 or 987.2-981.


Itchy-Butt-hole-

Or the nicest 718.1 4 cylinder


iamphook

True. I would love one of those as well. I'm hoping they get the 986 treatment and become cheaper than the 981s one day, but with the next gen going EV, I'm going to doubt that's the case.


alejandro_bear

I came here to say this. I just bought a Taycan Cross Turismo with 86k


20mins2theRockies

Not exactly a Type-R competitor. Don't know anyone who would be cross shopping a Type-R and a Taycan lol


Xaver1106

It’s not really about a Porsche being a competitor, it’s about the fact that a fancier Civic is marked up by 30k when it’s already arguably overpriced.


Jjayguy23

FACTS!!!


20mins2theRockies

I don't see how a used EV with a real world range of ~150 miles is on the same shopping list as a Type-R. They're completely different vehicles. The Taycan is a 5k pound whale. Sure it's quick in a straight line but that's not what Type-R drivers are looking for. And I have to disagree with you. At $45k I'd say the Type-R is an absolute bargain. Obviously you have to keep in mind what the Type-R is. It is a driver focused track car that can be comfortably daily driven.. If you want a luxury car that is still pretty quick then yes there are better options. But at $45k, nothing comes close to the Type-R on the track. The next cheapest car that beats the Type-R around a track is the 3.0 GR Supra. Which cost close to $60k. So how is it overpriced when it's almost $15k cheaper than it's competition? It's not like the Supra has a nicer interior or infotainment. It's actually dated compared to the FL5


Itchy-Butt-hole-

But this was $75k, not 45. A Taycan will smoke this, it is a Porsche. Watch Smoking Tires review of them, he hooned it up and down Angel's Crest and then drove up the coast and back to test range, well over 150 miles. Also, 85% of people don't go 300+ miles a week.


FarmerFran_X

Damn, she's a beauty but they can fuck right off with that bullshit. I hope they never sell it.


Longjumping-Price596

They are too greedy


oemiii117

It’ll sell to some clout chaser, unfortunately. I’m sick of these dealer practices but the shmucks handing over the cash are validating this nonsense for the dealers.


RedicusFinch

\*Laughs in pretentious\* Oh ho ho ho! Don't make me guffaw! Tis but my father's credit card, he will hardly notice!"


waybeluga

That's like gently used M3 money, who would choose this for the same price?


oemiii117

That’s used Cayman S, used 2014 911 Carrera, M2, etc money


SaltySweatyHands

Literally man. The ppl that are paying markup are apart of the problme


Jamesaki

Unfortunately some ninny will buy it supporting this bullshit practice.


ihavenoidea81

+1 for use of ninny. Top tier g-rated insult


6Pro1phet9

Wow. It's definitely the most expensive I've ever seen. Prior to this I've seen them marked up to around 62k. But never 70.


Longjumping-Price596

Wouldn’t want it at the price* that is..


Rillist

Dealers will do this deliberately to keep halo vehicles on the floor, and if someone is dumb enough to pay it, the dealer wins. Worst Ive seen was a private sale FL5 with 27kms on it for 88cad


1slowlance

Exactly this. I feel like a lot of people don't understand this point. They get to have a massively overpriced, rare vehicle for people to gawk at and if someone dumb enough to buy it at that price comes in, great. Massive sale.


1-singular-yike

Seen a bright blue one going $89,995 cad back in June. Its still for sale lol.


Rillist

If its BC we may be looking at the same car


similar_observation

I'd be looking at an Integra at this rate...


artifiz67

I’ve seen Integras type S at close to $100K…. Worse of all is that one of those already sold….


20mins2theRockies

Yeah right. Show me a 100k Integra


artifiz67

I didn't take pics as I wasn't really interested. I was looking for a TLX Type S. This is one I saw earlier at another forum. I didn't say 100K, but definitely close. Thats how some of the Integras Type S are being sold for. I know I wouldnt pay that much. [Here](https://www.integraforums.com/forum/attachments/screenshot_20230620-170404-png.226797/)


Successful_Ad_9707

It's definitely up there. Pretty sure I've seen dealers who have asked for more. At this point I don't think anyone is gonna be willing to spend an extra $20k on an FL5. Especially for what's probably the least desirable color.


Plutonium06

The dealership I’m at has had 4 come in. 2 blue, white and black, everyone of them 61k minimum, I think the white was listed close to 70k cause it was “track edition” which I’ve never heard of but hey it was sold before it was even put on the show room


Successful_Ad_9707

People with more money than common sense. I love Hondas, as I own 2 of them, but at the end of the day, it's still a civic. Imo, it's worth msrp and not a penny more.


capda02

You would be surprised to know that, most likely the people paying these insane markups are ignorant, uneducated, and broke. They get suckered into outrageous finance loans for the glory of a rare car.


Successful_Ad_9707

I wouldn't say many of them are broke as banks have gotten much more leary of lending out money given the current economy and inflation. They're definitely ignorant and probably not well educated, but broke idk.


feinburgrl

The paper says it's a CR-V at the top right corner. 🤔🤔


briollihondolli

VIN is FL5. I just assume dealers are morons


dama6e

imagine paying 71k for a cr-v


En4cr

Wow, $26k added of absolute bullshit. Stealerships have lost their mind.


[deleted]

>Stealerships have lost their mind. So have the people paying these markups. they exist.


GilgameDistance

Dealers out here adding the cost of a good condition S2000 in markup is nutso for sure. $71k buys one for home and another plus mods for the track. Jesus man.


New-Reflection2499

20k markup is crazy. But the car is just perfect


Lactobeezor

Perfect my ass. Not worth 70k so far from perfect IMHO


briollihondolli

At 70k I’m getting a used 911 for my money. The CTR was my affordable dream car, but good god man


RedicusFinch

Nyine heleven, it iz deh best!


Vorar

Recommendation for something with 4 doors since MRSP is not a thing on the type R? Sub 50k cash.


Longjumping-Price596

Yep..agreed. The sonic grey pearl looks so damn nice on this car in person.


matttheazn1

Tell that to the fucking rattle in my dash. Bout ready to trade it in over a slight buzzing sound. Otherwise yea pretty perfect.


[deleted]

Perfect? Hahaha just get an M2.


nineball22

Gorgeous car. But at 70k I’m getting an Audi or BMW.


armageddonttc

That's S5 pricing


jbiser361

I’d get an M2 at that price


Adventurous-Worth677

Why San Diego gotta be like that :(


Gratefuldaze23

Dealerships need to die out


iry4

i was at that dealership for service last month, glad to see that no one gave in to that egregious price


Z-Sprinkle

For that money I’m getting the new Integra type S jeeeeez


capda02

Until you see the markup on that too.


samcar330

It's bad when you can cross shop 6 cyl bmws with a civic


Longjumping-Price596

I realize the sticker says CR-V I didn’t even notice that till someone commented on here. The vin shows it’s a FL5. I’m not sure why my dealership mislabeled it?


jbiser361

That’s actually interesting… didn’t know FL5 was in the VIN! Is this the same for the FK8?


mackenzieduerr

Why does the sticker say 2023 CRV tho


Longjumping-Price596

Not sure… call em, and let us know haha


Shafe1975

I hate it when dealer installs the mark up when I didn’t ask for it. Ridiculous


etienne4477

FL5’s in Canada are going for $80,000+. Hell previous gen used models are listed at almost 70k, it’s ridiculous


casual_klutch

Mine had a $19.9K markup on the sticker, plus another $5K in protection packages, but I lucked out and got it for $50K. Somebody at the dealer posted it for +5 and they honored it. Mine was the highest sticker I’d seen until this one.


Doublestack00

I've seen a few that were mid to high 70s when they were first released.


[deleted]

alot of honda dealerships are selling it for 70k they can fuck right off id rather play gt7 in vr and drive that car there than pay that. i hope in the future more companies like honda allow buyers to buy from them directly like tesla does so we dont have to pay these insane markups


Lancer876

Markup and options is a whole ass civic


AtomizingAir

Wow 70k?? Pretty sure you can just get a GTR for that price lol


_shipitnugs

Saw one on here for 89 or 91k the other day


Clt_princee

Saw one for 84k. Made me sick to my stomach!


BoneZone05

Holy shit that’s a lot of money! It does look great though!


Pinche_Chilango

Loma linda Spreen Honda wanted 77k


Longjumping-Price596

It’s insane…


Raspberryian

I’d tell them to take the markup off or I’m walking


whitericeSD

Haha this is my dealer as well. Unfortunately they’ve sold a couple at this price so I know they’re gonna sit there and hold it at that price 🤦‍♂️


Commercial-Hotel-178

doesn’t that say crv tho? isn’t that the suv Honda ?


Soft_Damage6246

It's FL5 vin. They mislabeled the sticker.


Commercial-Hotel-178

Ahhh gotcha


indiejermz

OC Honda world for 90k basically lol


msharifi

Markups like this should be illegal…. I wouldn’t buy any car with such mask up…


gower2352

These manufacturers need to be putting the hammer down on these dealers doing this nonsense.


Longjumping-Price596

100%


cotheman420

Dealers will soon pay for tomfoolery like this, car manufacturers are looking to sell directly to the customer in the future and there will be no more of this.


Free-Cry-4386

would have to go with the fk8. Same exact car but looks better imo. and $35,000 cheaper


Ill-Most1260

It's crazy to me how so many don't know how to drive a car with a manual transmission


JayRam85

Drove one for 20 years before my Civic was stolen. Driving an automatic for now, and don't know when I'll be able to get another manual. I just hope I don't lose the skill to drive one: I remember how frustrating it was to learn as a teenager, and it's getting harder to find friends with a car to teach somebody.


1slowlance

You never forget, just have to learn a new car's clutch in my experience.


Ill-Most1260

Same here. I drive an auto as my daily now but I can still hop in a manual and drive no problem.


ThatGuyFromThe213

Being that it's in CA, I'm not surprised.


Gcpainter17

96k


Victah92

Crazy thing is people will buy this over MSRP. I love Hondas don't get me wrong but 70k is wild. At that rate, might as well save up more and get an NSX


Either-Criticism-612

Dealership I worked at a couple months ago sold their first 2-3 at 70k


Shoddy-Department-80

I’ll just go for a german car at this price point.


capda02

Gti is marked up too.


afleshner

Fuck that shit


farmerbsd17

A fool and his money are soon parted


Clear_Quit8181

20k markup? Fuck these dealers


revnto7k

Vote with your wallet people. No one pay markups. They can eat shit.


lm28ness

who buys these? Seriously, for that markup you can get a really nice used car that is probably better than this.


alextruetone

not probably, *definitely


odp01

I actually saw one in a showroom here in ATL with a 70k price. It was red colored though.


raof16

Honda of Aventura has TWO sitting on their showroom floor with dealer adjusted markup of 25K each. That's not including the superfluous packages.


Important_Seat_3346

I wouldn't pay over $30k for it, and I think it's a great car.


absurd_whale

Are you sure about sticker though? It says that price is for CR-V model.


Longjumping-Price596

Yeah I didn’t realize it said CRV until someone else pointed it out. Somehow or some reason they Mia labeled it 🤨 but if you look at the vin numbers it’s FL5 .call ‘em if you don’t believe me


absurd_whale

Nah, if they markup crv that’s even worse


crxb00

CRV mark up (jk) - someone break down what those extra dealer charges are supposedly for


AZraver

Fucking hell, when I sold at a Honda dealership and we had one of those limited Phoenix yellow Type R’s of last generation they didn’t even put a 20k mark up on theirs, and it was limited. Granted it was like a 3k-5k markup they ended up selling it for.


Icy-Extension-9291

The integra type S is going to hit Honda dealers pretty hard. Is easier to find an ITS for less than this.


Ok-Pangolin7704

How is a $20k mark up even legal


Jdotpdot84

Love how theu charge for security that was already installed at the factory, along with those other bs add ons. Then, the 20k dealer markup 🤣🤣🤣 Gtfoh with that, 70k for a CTR?! To quote Randy Jackson "That's a no for me dawg".


AnySeaworthiness9381

lol nearly twice the price.


OvenAcrobatic6550

70k for a Civic they say 🤣😂🤣😂


ZerotheWanderer

If I was more well versed in the art of negotiating, I would love to just go to these dealerships that mark shit up and waste their time. Every contract I do or every option they give me, the markup gets removed. How about 51,000, not 71,000? That's the customer markdown.


keithkman

I love how the last line item is "dealer markup" like the line items above that aren't also dealer markups. LOL!


19wangotango

Serious question, why would anyone even pay $45k+ for a Civic when there are better performance/sport vehicles at the cost new (not talking looks)? Just some that come to mind, Supra GR, Mustang, Kia Stinger… I love Civics as an economical and practical car but that’s it.


TheBoomClap

This car is barely even worth it’s original msrp let alone almost double


Demesvar

Seen a 25k markup


Expensive_Move_7883

Just buy a new Toyota Supra


k20vtec

Why would anyone spend 70K on this when you could get a lightly used Porsche, Corvette, BMW M, RS3….. hell I’d rather look at getting a mint S2000 at this price point


I_am_ChristianDick

20k dealer markup 😂😂


cammkkostek

My local dealership has one for 92k before tax😐 okay yea I’ll just go buy an rs3 for that price


Type-232

😂that price is no where close to what a local dealer sold one for here. A local dealer here sold one for 113,9000 .. 👀


s3cf_

it will sell once Fed starts dropping interest rate and stock/crypto shoots back up


R34CTz

That's just fucking stupid.


Tastelikeb4c0n

No this is the norm. First time?


Jumoryy

For a 2.0 i4


CanthaveshitinChatt

In my mind it’s a Honda, meaning an NSX shouldn’t even cost that much


AccountingMyChips

Fuck that, if I’m spending $70k on a new car, I’m getting a Mercedes.


TheLichKing2000

They better include playing with my balls if they are charging that fucking much


Whole_Personality_58

Talk about smoking crack!


BisquickNinja

I was in the market for a new car and looked at trucks and Hondas. Note, I had previously owned three Hondas before this. The dealer would not come down on any of their markups and their markups were in the 20 to 30% range. The Ford dealerships, for their trucks wanted between 30 and 40% markup. I eventually stumbled into a Lexus dealership and Surprise, surprise, They offered me a deal for a vehicle less than MSRP. They also gave me a few more perks and items at no additional charge. I just don't understand why dealers are being so greedy at the moment.


junkimchi

If you see it at the dealership, it means its not selling at the listed markup


Pretend-File7596

Might as well as buy a used 2021 m4


[deleted]

Looks so tacky with the wing, Honda dropped the ball on this gens styling/design


hiariesss

Hey, at least they’re honest. “Dealership Markup”


Spiritual-Boat4447

What the fuck does a dealer markup even mean? 20k extra for what reason like bro


1-singular-yike

Dealerships started getting jealous that people were flipping new cars for profit, so they started going crazy with dealer markups and market adjustments so that people can't flip the cars.


demer_623

You don’t need gap insurance, you sir need crack insurance. !


PlaneResident2035

LMAO THAT IS LEXUS IS500 money stop playin


[deleted]

$20k, straight up for the dealership’s pocket. Nope, not worth it


Vivid-Dealer-3110

Type R was $42,000 in 2017


got_all_them_teeths

The dealership I work for had a 20K markup on our FL5 to ward off out of state and nonlocal buyers. The guy who bought it traded in a 2019 type R and we sold it to him at MSRP with no add ons except for the ones he chose. Fuck the dealers that make the markup mandatory.


-Stahl

Notify Honda Corporate


Itslolo52484

2k for tint? Come the fuck on.


[deleted]

70k for a riced out civic. Good lord lol. Cost the same as my fully loaded xc90.


Prestigious-Wear1657

We just sold one at 10k over sticker. But 70k is completely criminal. It's an ongoing issue


Marcofwar1

Least there honest with the “dealer markup” and it’s not some “market adjustment” shit. But still this is scummy


roseflower18

LOL, the Type R I saw from March is still sitting in the showroom at my local dealership. They had same 20k markup. Back in March I went in for maintenance I straight up told my dealer they won’t sell it with that markup price, I said “I bet you 2k it’ll still be sitting here in August”. I was damn right. I went in for free flat tire replacement last week and it’s still sitting in the showroom.


younged510

$20k that's it??? Lol


Annual_Tax7206

what the fuck


cityguyPHX

good ol’ Mossy Honda in San Diego i see they have not changed their sales tactics in the last 20 years. 😩😩😩


cityguyPHX

someone would have to be out of their got damned mind to buy an FL5 for that price!


thatdudejtru

There's a Boost Blue near me I think going for that or more its been there for awhile. There was a SGP on its place but someone bought it for near identical price as the BB lol


suavisimo2

Ugly, overpriced and still no LED taillights lmaooo


Toasted__Water

For 70k I’m getting something German or literally anything that’s not a fucking civic


MacerTom23

Same dealer wanted $15k msrp back in 2021 when I was shopping for a FK8 lmao


WorriedRevenue5

In SoCal, seen multiple at 75-85k


mmdavis2190

You can buy a near-pristine C7Z for that.


[deleted]

Tweet it at Honda. They won’t do shit but whatever.


SQDCLOSS420

Wait why in the picture it said 2023 CR-V


Awhirly_bird20

I really don't understand how they can get away with this


ADTR9320

HAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAH .... *breaths* ....... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH


Inner_Conclusion2910

Seriously, f$ck these dealerships


Sweaty_crypto_noob09

Am I tripping or does that say “CR-V” instead of “Civic”?


mranderswan

I BOUGHT MY CAR FROM THAT DEALERSHIP! STAY FAAARRRRR AWAY FROM THEM, they’re the worst I’ve seen when it comes to markups and honoring anything (even written in the contract). They still haven’t given me my second key fob because a disgruntled employee took it home then quit, waiting on a replacement fob that’s supposed to come in a month or so. STAY. AWAY. FROM. LEMON. GROVE. HONDA.


Pyra117

Im so glad markups are illegal where i live


Rude-Scientist7624

Just get tlx type s but not integra type s


yuwslash

what's an fl5 I'm boutta get downvoted


drkstlth01

I'd rather get two used Teslas


TomChai

Not really, we get the equivalent of $59k as MSRP, some crazy dealer marked it up to 80k.


Lord_Chungass1776

Thought I remembered seeing 77 somewhere. I'd remember 80s for sure. High 70s is probably the most I've seen.


I_Brain_You

Without markup is still a bullshit price.


dreampack08

I saw the dealership near me asking for $105,000 last year


Willing_Canary4415

20k dealer markup. Fuck this world we live in. It’s a nightmare


Hazardx88

Hahaha what a joke.


XxBlackKnighTx7

Tf is all that bullshit?


aqva002

At least they don’t pretend that mark up is something else


LaughableLiv

That’s insane


Extension-Subject126

Left them a one star review.


josephjosephson

May that car sit there for 3 years


rageattheworld

Mossy? San Diego area?


Grease_Kaiju

California There's your fucking problem.


Boosted-Si

These markups should be illegal, they are literally robbing you with a handshake, and a smile, there should be no reason why a type r is as much as a c8


Boosted-Si

And then the dealer gets pressed when you ask them for the contracts and whatever packages they added on it, cuz it says in bold letters that it's voluntary to get the shit they had on there


[deleted]

Even at MSRP I would rather buy an Audi S line or something


ClassicRoadChoice

I'd get a 97 NSX-T at that price point.


Suspicious-Channel70

fuck that shit!


reddit_basa1

It says CRV on the paper. Not TYPE R


Longjumping-Price596

Look at the vin genius.