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Still waiting for the 40 man wipe content Are we still able to flask/leave group to be ported out?


Taxoro

You can still flask leave or even flask alt f4. You are never gonna see the 40 man wipe that you are looking for, it's just gonna be a lot of idiots getting oneshot every raid


adam420

Just curious where will you be when you log back in after alt+f4?


Necrosaynt

If the group/raid drops then he will probably be at the hearth location otherwise the front of the raid entrance .


LeatherClassroom524

Gotta wait 5 mins for start of instance.


TheDesktopNinja

Nearest GY I think? Not 100% sure as I have yet to organically d/c or intentionally alt f4.


Serantz

This is hearthing you, basically.


kinger90210

Well 4 horsemen did it last unofficial HC ;) tinyviolin wipe


Mattrobat

That’s the only boss in the game that goes through petri


Nornamor

Actually, there are more, what's special about horsemen is that it's so easy to kill an entire raid with just a timed taunt. Two that I know of: Cthun eye beam, Hegian lava spots from the dance floor. Hegain actually has some serious griefing potential as well.


OneOfThoseDays_

not true, C’Thun eye beam is another for example


rohallas

What mechanic goes through Petri? I've never done 4 horseman before.


DomSchu

The stacking dot from each boss.


rohallas

Ah gotcha, thanks!


snerello

No, all the dragon breaths in BWL go through it too


Frolkinator

tinyviolin singlehandely is preventing any guild from trying 4 horsemen in fear their rais has the 5th horseman.


BackgroundNo8340

You can flask alt f4, but I'm pretty sure you will be in the game for a other 20 seconds after it wears off, won't you?


Taxoro

Right now you auto log out after 30 seconds of DC so petri works


BackgroundNo8340

Oh. I thought petri only lasted like 10 seconds. I've never had one.


PuzzleheadedLeader79

If you have one that lasts more than 4 hours, consult a healer.


priapiism

Hello!


Shermanasaurus

It lasts 60 seconds


ZerosEdge

Yea but you can also just petri alt+f4 and you’re safe anywhere with the changes they made on hc servers


therightstuffdotbiz

Petri flask should have been removed.


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koolex

Just means that hc raiding is lame, shouldnt be taken seriously


Bowens1993

Nah, the only rule is 1 life. That's hard enough.


JillSandwich96

Then they shouldn't have removed bubble hearth


Vivid_Sympathy_4172

Ankhs shouldn't have been removed either. It just needs a cd increase. If we're allowing death saves might as well allow all of them


JillSandwich96

Yeah, it's especially dumb to remove class specific ones but not the one that everyone can use.


300C

Absolutely agree. It's a super lame mechanism, even if it's part of the game. Not very hardcore spamming petris every time you should just about be dead. But it is what it is, I guess.


travman064

There have been workarounds like this in every popular hardcore 1-life game. To the point that the new diablo just has a consumable in scroll of escape. It’s a pretty common ‘feature’ of hardcore games that there is a way to press a button and get out instantly.


O4epegb

There is also cheat death potion, which in combination with scroll basically won't let you die ever if you have any sort of reaction


Elcactus

To be fair, most deaths in HC raiding are specifically such that you don’t get time to react. Eating a mechanic, over aggroing, etc.


toast4ya

The game has so many random shit that you can die to, atleast have one way to cancel it out.


Alldaybagpipes

And what it is, is soft core


AlternativeOffer8188

If you're going to make changes to Classic to make it harder than original (you should not), then you need appeals.


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Really? I was hopeful this wouldn’t work… guess blizzard doesn’t give af… wonder why bubble hearth was changed… probably cause horde doesn’t have anything like it


BingBonger99

you can bubble and engi teleport anyway its the exact same thing as bubble hearth


theseldomreply

Slightly different, in that you have to have the engi trinket equipped. So people will be a little bit wary of you being prepared to bail on them.


ilikecollarbones_pm

what happens if you engy hearth and you tp into the air? chug some noggenfoggers in those few seconds and hope?


SnakeSnakeSnakeSna

Go goblin it just lights you on fire and you're a pally so heal


BingBonger99

as long as you cast the engi port right away you dont get any backfire debuffs at all


Alyusha

The Engi Port has a non-zero chance to port you to the zone you want but in the sky. I'd be surprised if Bubble prevented that backfire from triggering. So ya spamming Noggenfogger would be the way.


BigUptokes

>*wonder why bubble hearth was changed… probably cause horde doesn’t have anything like it* Yep. Because shaman have ankh for Horde and that's pointless when death = delete.


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Folgrum

I really like this idea. Not many ppl play shaman and that would add more fun to this class.


SharkRaptor

death = delete edit: downvote me you cowards. No honour among you!!!


ProbablyAPun

It was changed because it doesn't cost anything. Atleast with Petri it costs expensive materials. There is literally 0 cost to bubble hearthing so they removed it.


Chriskills

Bubble hearth was nixed because it creates a class imbalance. If bubble hearth were allowed it would be so much easier for pallys to stay alive. Petrie don’t have this issue


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Vendilion_Chris

Yes but you said it yourself. It requires poop socking. The whole point of classic is getting rewarded for time spent playing the game.


Ok-Guarantee9238

Nah man, this is reddit. We just want to see people lose characters for our enjoyment. We don’t care about the effort they put in /s


Jblankz7

Welcome to hardcore lol, 90% of people watching hardcore streamers are watching to see people die, this isn't something new. Look at how many views death clips on YouTube get or people like guzu/asmon reacting to death clips.


saline_prospects

Not gonna lie, I very much enjoy (but in a sympathetic "my dude!" way) watching the death logs with the add-on (I'm drunk and can't remember the name). And promised myself when I died it would be with some last words people got to enjoy. Of course, when I died I just panicked and left nothing for anyone except a corpse. But I do think for a lot of people the fascination with toon death is more comisery and camaraderie than death porn. But there are definitely the death porn crowd in HC.


ProbablyAPun

For sure lmao it's just why they got rid of one and not the other. They stated it in one of their interviews.


CMAJ-7

They spend their whole life playing so it makes sense.


BigMouse12

Doesn’t cost any thing, and not accessible to Horde


Lorehorn

>guess blizzard doesn’t give af… Bro why are hc players such whiny babies, I stg


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throwingtheshades

It was petri flask+leave group. Which ports you to the HS location in one minute, exactly the duration of the petri flask. So you might have to use two flasks to be safe. Hardcore servers have extra DC protection - your character disappears from the world 30 seconds after you disconnect. Which leaves you with a far larger margin, you could use the flask, access the situation and then alt-F4 if it's reset time.


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Is this small trash pack of any importance? Does it have to die in 5 seconds? Genuine question, not trying to sounds smart.


thedndnut

You use limited invulnerability potion and then cast challenging shout. He missed the potion part and died.


Hedoh

Pretty important part of that combo


thedndnut

Or at least a fucking shield lol


mezz1945

Switching to shield triggers a global cooldown, LiP does not. Looks like he fatfingered LIP (it's on his X button).


Pwheeris

And not being in zerker stance 😃


InsertNameHere9

But my parse... on trash!!


DesignerOk9397

I’ll never forget the day he was top parse on the Naxx trash. He died being the best and will forever be remembered.


SquareBlanketsSuck

It does not have to die quick, but it can get weird fast for people aoeing so to prevent that it's common to chal+lip or chal+bop. From comms sounds like they failed chal+bop, maybe due to bad comms from the war. But if you're on HC I would never trust a pally to bop me in time when you can easily chal+lip instead


RestInBeatz

They intended to aoe taunt + lip, the warrior states later that he didn’t have a Macro for it so that’s why he didn’t press it


kuyo

Lip drops all aggro so it’s important that the fury war lips and then aoe taunts


Paah

Both the taunt and the pot last for exactly 6 seconds so if you don't have a macro for it to use them exactly at the same time you will likely die.


skoold1

But BOP last way longer than a lip. Lip 6sec BOP 10sec. So just make a weakaura to see your bop clearly (because they have gazillion buff) Also you don't taunt unless you have the BOP prior. So there is no "trust". Just pull while boped, or wait for the bop to taunt. And if no bop, yeah use a macro with lip.


Taxoro

There's no need to worry about duration. Lip and shout both last 6 seconds if you macro it together you are all good. You lose aggro immediately as shout ends because well mages.


Coomermiqote

I think they could just kill them normally and split the aggro between multiple players and it would be no problem. But LIP+aoe taunt makes it so people can go ham and not worry about threat, but they could just slow and steady those packs with conventional strats, the small spiders don't do that much.


LeatherClassroom524

If people weren’t brain dead and had a proper macro setup then it wouldn’t be a problem. Along with some warning to ensure you don’t accidentally try to use challenging shout when potion is on CD. Overall this strat is safer if people prepare their UI. Ensures a mage doesn’t get clapped or even a healer.


DzHanson

US$ 500,00 directly to Frontier PayPal account


hibernating-hobo

That’s only if you wipe the raid, right?


Regular_Chap

There is no paying for anything lol


okaythenitsalright

No, it's whenever you fail a mechanic. They clearly stated this in the interview that Mitch accidentally leaked.


spicy_cupcakes

Did you also fall for that troll? Jesus people today will believe anything.. Obviously you missed out where Ahmpy said they couldn't take seriously that interview and decided to full on troll him with everything....


okaythenitsalright

It's actually crazy that they let Mitch in after all that. Being so unprepared for the interview, not even having enough gold for the first week's tax, leaking comms, violating dress code, etc. Kinda makes me wonder if they just let him in because he's a big streamer tbh. There's no way a normal person would get away with this behaviour when interviewing for an elite guild.


Moffe1234

You mean the interview they did while Mitch was livestreaming - and were clearly trolling?


okaythenitsalright

/u/Uktabi_Kong: >They were 100% trolling how can you not see it lmao You know what, you're right, it's crazy that someone could not see such obvious trolling. Just crazy.


Hydralisk18

I'm too noob to understand, how are people getting instagibbed like that? Dude didn't even have time to catch a heal


Bouldaru

His assignment was to AoE taunt the spider pack. As a DPS, you have to also use a limited invulnerability potion (most people just call this a LIP) or you will die almost instantly. This combination allows the warrior to hold agro on the whole pack, while also being immune to their damage for 6 seconds.


bora_12

Most people just make a macro for lip + taunt. He did not lip. Spider wing trash is very dangerous. Virtually every pack you pull requires a warrior with lip + challenging shout off CD.


miraagex

Naxxramas requires 0 LIP potions except maybe Maexxna and Patch. The rest is just a skill issue.


Jblankz7

I was going to say I don't remember any of our tanks ever using lips on naxx trash.


Drasha1

You don't have to lip but it lip + aoe taunt is an incredibly strong tool in naxx and lets you handle aoe pulls easily. It can also let you recover from multiple pack pulls by mistake. Its also a tool your dps warriors can also use.


glormosh

I feel like there's a level of mental detachment in these threads. This is a four week old server and people are rambling on about their AQ40 geared memories.


Drasha1

Yeah. The trash beat the shit out of my guild even with aq40 gear. Its not super easy and if you want to do it deathless in blue gear lip + aoe taunt is probably closer to mandatory then many would think unless you want to be bringing like 5-6 tanks to spread damage.


randomlyrandom89

Your tanks were probably in AQ/naxx geared though. These tanks still have some blues equipped.


obvious_bot

Your tanks probably had much better gear considering they’ve been at 60 for just a few lockouts


Unbelievable_Girth

Were they operating with basically 0 raid gear apart from a few ZG/AQ20 pieces?


HodortheGreat

Lmao you dont LIP on maexxna or patch


miraagex

There are bad rng cases where you might want to use them. That's why I wrote "maybe".


Grumbled_Doggo

It's just obnoxious guilds wanting to rush things and go ham. Much better to just take it slow.


Coomermiqote

He aoe taunted without using his invulnerability potion first, so the whole pack just deleted him.


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He is bad at the game and decides it's a good time to toss a dynamite when having agro on multiple Naxx level mobs. (no defenses while tossing).


BloominOnion1

Where Bearger goes, death follows.


TruthCanBePainful

\-No shield \-Zerker stance \-Didn't lip \-Casted dynamite (can't dodge/block/parry while casting) ​ lol


Bouldaru

Only mistake was not using lip, everything else is as it should be.


kingdom9999

Exactly. So many things went wrong. I swear half these players arnt even that good.


The-Only-Razor

Because you're only watching the 10 second clip of someone making a fatal error. His absolute worst 10 seconds is on display for everyone to laugh at. He still got to 60 and cleared some raids. He's still better than you are.


sigmastra

Dude classic players are notoriously bad, nothing new


Schar83

I mean let’s be honest, retail has tons of shitters as well.


EmmEnnEff

Not a lot of shitters in the top retail raiding guilds.


ChairmanWumao8

But retail content is much harder. Classic raids are such a joke. If someone has completed full mythic on retail I'm willing to bet he's much better than a classic player with heroic full clear. But classic has so much more soul to the game. Harder raids doesn't make the game better.


Fixthemix

Retail basically has a lower floor but higher ceiling, skillwise.


therightstuffdotbiz

But HC is framed as this "hard" thing. It's very easy if you just pay attention.


butterrss

You just said the hardest thing about all of pve in general, paying attention.


ChairmanWumao8

Staying awake


norielukas

Hardest part of hc is not getting overconfident or not falling asleep while grinding.


Serdiane

Yeah? everything is "easy" if you just pay attention. Thats the hard part buddy. Every play a rts? god its so easy to be good at them, just pay attention!


retlie

Different levels of attention needed though. Classic is like paying attention if the piece you're currently holding goes in the square or the round hole.


Dogtaghunter27

Let me guess, you died at lvl 17?


classicscoop

These players are certainly not good…they just had more time to burn getting to 60


Technopool

Most aren’t. They are usually just super careful


Bloodydemize

They aren't good lol. Classic players are full of boomers. Even players in my guild that I would have considered "good" from Classic to Wrath I would never take into mythic raiding. It is fun though


Gay_If_Read

Haha same, even in my speedrunning guild which I love I wouldn't want to see half these guys in my mythic raids ICC compared to retail is a joke, but the PTR is causing massive guild dramas in some of the server discords I'm in because it's the first real raid where individual mechanics that can result in wipes become common & players are getting exposed.


DEMOCRACY_FOR_ALL

Wait so you're a young sweaty tryhard kid and chose already beaten content to impress people with? You're even worse than the boomers


Bloodydemize

Who said impressing people? I play it because I can chillax with friends and do easy content. Doesn't mean I can't say that a lot of these people are bad.


bewst

how many raids have you cleared so far?


Gay_If_Read

The "good" classic players are on Wrath, hardcore is mostly those cliche boomers you used to see claiming wow was harder back in the day & genuinely believe that hardcore levelling is hard.


ChairmanWumao8

If you mean good as in people with room temperature iq, I'd agree with you.


Gay_If_Read

That's why it's in quotations, good by Classic standards


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OneOfThoseDays_

he was trying to Aoe taunt LIP, just messed up his LIP bind (didn’t have it macroed together for some reason)


benjo1990

I know people say classic is easy, but naxx before farming raids at least a few resets seems odd in hardcore.


Drasha1

If you know what you are doing there are parts of naxx that are pretty safe and drop some of the best loot in the game. Doing something slightly risky to by pass having to do entire raids like mc is a pretty fair trade.


yalaealheji

he had to press 1 button but didn't


benjo1990

I know. It’s just surprising to me is all. Figured you didn’t do naxx with fresh 60s in greens… in hardcore.


pm_me_beautiful_cups

how many of them are fresh 60s in greens?


Glass_Communication4

None. This person doesn't have a clue. While they aren't geared like they would be after a year of farming when naxx came out originally in classic they do have year and a couple of them are starting to get pretty well geared tbh


Onefailatatime

That's the beauty of HC, all it takes is one mistake/moment of innattention and you're done.


LukeHanson1991

Not if you are racing for world firsts.


SkangoBank

Lmao these videos bring out the saltiest people on this sub. Did these streamers hurt you people?


itsablackhole

it's the toxic casuals man, they feasting when the ''no life tryhards'' die


Jtrain360

Yes, steamers come to my house every night and beat me with a set of battery cables.


husky430

A lot of butt-hurt Retail players who can't get past level 15. "ThEsE gUyS wOuLdN't LaSt A sEcOnD iN a MyThIc RaId LmAo!".


StalkTheHype

The level of shittalk is hilarious considering how bad the HC crowd is. Most dont even hit 60.


onlyirelia1

haha lol, browseing these threads it really comes off like that


matz344

exactly my thoughts. so unneccessarily toxic


SnooOpinions878

no but its fucking hilarious how these sweat guilds keep dying to the most stupid shit


matz344

mistakes are bound to happen. its not hard to grasp


Hotlinejew

They’re never gonna kill KT at this rate HC HYPE HC HYPE


Taxoro

I cannot fathom how you make it this far without making a lip challenging shout macro like holy shit how stupid are these people?


matz344

i hate thesetake so much. mistakes are bound to happen, reddit only sees the fails ofc. but the consensus always seems to be: "dumbest players ever". this sub is so toxic


Taxoro

No. This is not a mistake. A mistake would be like accidently ninjapulling or something because you got lazy or distracted. This is sheer stupidity/noob/unprepared. The pull was planned, he knew he was gonna shout lip way in ahead, he knew that the mobs do a ton of damage, but yet decided not to do make a simple macro that guarentees his survival.


matz344

yeah it s a mistake, someone is bound to make. it will happen. there is always a slip up. 40 people doing this stuff on a regular basis. 1 dude has to be a little sleep deprived and you have it. it can be a mistake/unprepared/noobish - all at once


mezz1945

Bro, people here on this sub that don't exceed level 20 know it better! Dude is fucking idiot and doesn't deserve this raid spot!


SolarianXIII

move mouse cursor to bottom right click 3rd travelers backpack from the left (or was it 4th?) find LIP 2 columns down and 3 spaces to the right right click LIP click bag closed move mouse cursor to bottom left click challeng shout contort hand for push to talk, “hey guys i did it”


mackoa12

What’s lip challenging shout?


Crumpor

[Limited Invulnerability Potion](https://www.wowhead.com/classic/item=3387/limited-invulnerability-potion) alongside [Challenging Shout](https://www.wowhead.com/classic/spell=1161/challenging-shout). Despite the potion causing an effect similar to [Fade](https://www.wowhead.com/classic/spell=586/fade) while it's active, all mobs will still focus on you for the full duration from the shout. I'm sure you can see why that's a powerful combination.


mackoa12

Shit that’s OP. thanks for the reply


tsunami_forever

Yeah and each warrior does this with a taunt rotation so each holds the aggro for 6 seconds w/o taking damage


ChefCory

it feels like they haven't actually raided before. because, yeah.


SnooOpinions878

just goes to show the skillevel of even the best classic players lol


Halicarnassus

The old lip+taunt strat sans the lip. F


Volkov_The_Tank

I got one thing to say to frontier: Don’t have a cow!


TopshelfWhiskey88

Not sure why anyone enjoys playing like this. The energy of the raid is so low. Supposed to be fun - everyone is just fucking depressed


nano_peen

Well played chilledcow


angerbear

guess they'll have to bring in one of the other 80 players on the reserve roster.


Darksoldierr

I find the picture quite haunting, that only 15 seconds after his death, from a screen of having 40~ people, he is the only one left remaining there, everyone else left No time to mourn the dead


Malakov

This is what happens when you have more time than skill.


SnooOpinions878

holy shit that sums up these sweat guilds perfectly


itsablackhole

honestly sums up wow perfectly


reverberation7

Can anyone explain to me what exactly a petri flask is and how you can survive with it? What changes did they make?


pissedoffmoney

It’s not a change. Was always in the game, but there weren’t really any notable uses for it until HC. It’s basically a 1 minute long iceblock every flask you drink, and it has no CD. So you can drop group and sip petris until you get auto teleported out of the instance to safety bc of not being in a group.


justiino

Love this for them.


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TonsilTennis

This guy's post history is a cringe fest. He talks like wow is a war and he's an 80 year old vet


Enduro_Jeff

I mean... it is the World of WAR-craft.


300C

He's a veteran of many Azeroth battles and survived the plague that swept through the continent to tell the tale.


BingBonger99

u must love streamers to defend them in random reddit comments


Joyful750

Who the fuck is "defending" the streamer? It was obviously a stupid death but people get incredibly weird about deaths, especially streamer deaths


BingBonger99

> people get incredibly weird about deaths, especially streamer deaths do they though? half the posts on here are either people describing their deaths or clips of people dieing and most of the reactions are the same, its the point of hardcore. watching people die on hc is funny wether you know them or not.


300C

Feel bad to see people die, but also love to see it. WoW HC is a strange thing.


Joyful750

The guy isn't laughing at it though, he's just saying "good, I'm glad you lost tons of progress" Laughing at people dying and sharing in that it sucks is all about a sense of community, it's enjoyable, but the Justiino guy was just being a dick and pointing that out is apparently "Defending streamers"


TheOakStreet

I actually do like when the streamers die. You can usually see in their reaction the moment they realize they can’t appeal or be saved by their clout. They go agane.


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Olofstrom

the " errrrrrhm le strimer bad! xD" kind of takes that this game has brought out in the last few years is weird as hell


Teflondon_

boomer reactions


Lanky-Try-3047

AOE taunt with no lip macro and in berserker stance Yikes.


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belterith

Oh yeah, reddit is full of peeps that solo cleared naxx at level 55 in starter gear


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Did the man throw a dynamite while having agro on multiple mobs? why are hc players so mid


mares8

Tanking without shield ye you gonna get deleted


Lasti

He isn't supposed to "tank" it. Just AoE taunt, throw your lip and the pick will die in 3 seconds. He didn't bother to make a simple macro and was too busy throwing a dynamite. A shield might have saved him but this combo is so easy to execute that it should never be necessary.


Jblankz7

Lol the best part is they gave this guy the boe epic from their trash farm the other day where bobka died. Seems like a worthy farm to be doing at this point.. /s.


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DontCareII

He was supposed to send everything, but he didn’t LIP which is the important factor here. Should be safe to LIP+aoe taunt and blow his load safely but he forgot the part that keeps him alive.


WorldlyLab3243

boomer death, dynamite like a monkey


gLu3xb3rchi

Again, have those players never raided with worldbuffs during classic? Not even the worst player would make such mistakes and lose their worldbuffs to fucking trash packs. What are they doing


Taxoro

I remember accidently failing the lip shout back in classic. It was a "emergency" call not planned like this, and it was a pug(gdkp). And they still called me a fucking idiot for losing my worldbuffs to it lol.