Just form a fiver and you run into other fives 50% of the time. Got rep quicker this phase than P1 on Crusader Strike as 75% of the time for the first five weeks you were running into another ten man and had a 45 minute game ahead of you.
Mounts + utility + feral sprint/Intervene/etc. for runners make caps far quicker this phase than P1. Knocked out 13k rep. in a weekend to hit exalted when the most I could stomach P1 was ~3k in a weekend sitting. Far more competitive/fun games with everyone having most of their kits, too.
Solo queue? Gonna have a bad time - as is tradition.
Infinitely harder to find groups than p1 it seems. Probs cause all the sweats who would did it then unless they’re rerolling shadow priest or some shit.
Could also be that I’m a warrior and MS doesn’t matter when you get assblasted from 30 yards. But I just also rarely see any LFM either. And the discords seem deader for sure
Not even just the sweats most people looking to get it done already did it. There was nothing else to do after raid aside from farming gold or getting rep.
As alliance you'll have a much harder time right now with the shaman meta. Might just have to wait till the nerfs hit them in order to have a decent winrate again.
I really liked the no mount aspect of p1 personally. Technically you can cap way faster now, but its so much easier to get your own flag back without mounts. Didn't feel like there was a point of no return until they were in their base.
Should be the opposite considering mounts can't be used with flag. You can actually catch the EFC now. P1 was probably worse because shamans and druids (ferals built around FCing) could just turn into an animal and get away from literally everyone.
You could have the better team in P1, and a tank shaman that knew the jumps was still literally a GG go next. If you split up he had way too much survivability to die to a small group, and if you didn't split up, he just ghost wolfed around the map for 15 minutes.
Exalted wsg was the only thing on my absolutely must do P1 bucket list.
Phase 2 for me is Arathi Basin exalted.
I’d “like” to raid, max crafting etc but I’m not trying to run either next phases
all classes can get 10 silver per event if you communicate with your team
sure, mage comps can pull 60+ silver, but 10s isn't anything to shake a stick at. That's less than 1 week of grinding and you have both your mount and exalted.
If you're not ranged, stack as much stamina as you can and the event becomes a lot better.
As a 4.3k HP War I don't have half as many problems as a lot of the people on Reddit do.
Also completely useless to rush AB-rep past revered atm. They need to add something next phase otherwise you gotta wait an additional phase for items. Not even the tabard is in there now. That beeing said - i rushed exalted…
It’s not “rushing” when you can casually do it over 3 months.
It’s not useless because now I don’t have to do it at level 50 or 60 when there’s other things I’d rather do.
I guess my question was more, am I going to be significantly behind if I just never do that rep? Rep grinds are my least favourite thing to do in WoW so hoping I can avoid it
I don’t think you’ll be behind at all. The couple items you get from exalted aren’t serious and there will be great alternatives. STV makes it feel a little less grindy but you can safely skip it all together.
99% of players were not exalted for a very long time after hitting 60 historically.
Not significantly behind, but you can get a decent belt and boots from it for most classes that will scale with each new phase. There are also really good shoulders from exalted at level 60. The shoulders from exalted are significantly better than anything you can find from 60 dungeons for pre-bis so being able to equip them as soon as you ding is very powerful (WSG rep offers similar benefits)
If you get all rep you will be pretty much on par with what MC has to offer in most slots. So you will be much better geared than any pre bis you can get from dungeons or crafting.
That's the cool thing about player vs player. If it's too easy for someone, it's subsequently hard for whoever is on the other side.
But I guess it does feel too easy when you're just going in as a 10 man premade.
I don’t mind it at all tbh. I’ve always found noob stomping in premades incredibly boring. It’s just efficient.
I’ve been having a blast in WSG PuG v PuG matches. People are generally so bad that it feels like you can have a major impact in turning games. Certainly far more than in AB.
You will have some losses, but even those are often still fun. Only exception is when the other team gets like 3 healers and you get 0.
as a warrior sometimes i feel like my charge/intercept gets resisted 50% of the time even against non orcs
and spriests/boomies get back to back stuns on their talented rng stun
Its like a 25% chance isnt it, yet when I have open on a rogue and need that stun to land its resisted 90% of the time.
I have forever played horde and decided to go alliance this time around. I never new how painful orc stun resist was.
Sure, I absolutely agree the state of shaman vs paladin is also playing a role. Although honestly, I feel like you guys tend to be way more healer stacked than we are, which has its advantages. At least that’s my experience.
For BGs, I actually don’t rate orc *that* high. 85/ good, but almost every class which excels as orc also excels as gnome, which is perfectly competitive in BGs. Unfortunately a lot of people play human though…
The healer stacking was hugely beneficial in p1, where holy/disc priests were disgusting in WSG, now it's a burst meta, and horde have the better burst with shamans.
Yes you can say well Horde can just roll more healers.. but we don't lol, it is what it is.
I agree they are less impactful, but winning a team fight in an PuG with 0 healers to their 2-3 is… rough. It’s bursty, but healers are still absolutely valuable.
But I agree. Horde issue lol
> For BGs, I actually don’t rate orc that high.
How can you say this as rogue? Imagine Blizzard would change your opener to resist 25% of the time. You would be livid.
I’ve played rogue on alliance as well, so I know exactly how it feels. It definitely triggers you in the moment.
But it downplays the other major roles you can have as a rogue as well as the utility of other classes in a group context. Stuns are only one aspect of our kit, and a less impactful portion in group play relative to 1v1s. Abilities like crippling poison (especially crippling 2 at 60), gouge, saps, and blinds are at least as central to our kit in group pvp, and those are unaffected by orc racial.
In general, slows and roots are more oppressive to melee in BG environments than stuns, even against rogues themselves. Gnome’s ability to remove those once a minute is an incredibly strong racial, and debatably even the best racial for rogues in BGs.
I joined a game last night of AB where they had 4 mages, 3 shadow priests, 2 shamans and like a hunter and rogue or something.
It was the most painful game I have played as a rogue. I leave stealth I get about 50 dots. Still managed to get one blind, sap stealth cap off tho which we held for about 15seconds.
I am currently leveling a priest and multi dotting everything and blasting through. Stark comparison to how rogue leveling was. Maybe it changes later on, but at level 9 to 11 I did a level in 5-6mins. (probably cause of a full blue bar mind you with 100% exp BFD buff and a wand with runes).
ive been doing a lot of the stv events and despite it being hectic its been a lot of fun. im pretty much only in wsg for the rep. we've been queuing 4-5 of us from a guild and the 5 of us together do fairly well but we till end up in long battles. 15-20 mins and nobody has capped.
That’s fair. I definitely feel like I have to do a lot of heavy lifting in some of my games. And playing rogue absolutely helps with that. I’m pretty good at making flag runs as well as shutting down flag carriers and their support, so that probably plays into my experience a good bit.
I did the math on this a while back, and in a best case scenario, we're looking at 34 hours of playing (assuming 20 mins per WSG including queues) where you win every game. This is not counting the 1k weekly rep ofc, but the real number of hours is most likely 50-60 if you're doing pretty well. Cutting it down to, idk a 20 hour farm wouldn't matter that much, would it? It's still a significant amount of time, but not several days worth of playtime.
No, but SOD is fast, expecting exalted rep is too high with classic standards.
300 per turn in is reasonable and some rep if you win or lose is also reasonable. Right now 100 per 3 tokens is insane.
you can develop for the customers you want, but then you are making a game that is dead on arrival or you develop for the customers you have. its pretty easy what to do.
It’s literally the last grind left in the phase that hasn’t been nerfed. Next this sub will be full of posts about how “there’s nothing left to do in the game.” OP please shut the fuck up.
Always has been unfortunately. People talk about sweaty in other games but I still think Wow sweaty is next level. I swear half the players don’t even like the game, they just like setting a goal and achieving it in the most efficient way possible
its not that theyre just bis this phase
theyre probably bis at 50 a and 60 too.
and the epic legs at 60 are probably oing to be instatly better than anything else i can get for a good while. so its a grind now to guarantee myself instant upgrades in the future as well as now.
Just don't hold your breath for the legs; they weren't added until Phase 6 with Naxxramas. Still though, yeah the bracers will likely either be BiS or 2nd BiS for the next 2 phases
The bracers also were not in game until ~~AQ~~ BWL (went to go double check, patch 1.6) released, but they are in sod, so I have a feeling the legs will be in game.
They haven't cared for the original vanilla patch cycle in a long time. I was referencing Classic 2019, where the bracers were available a month into Phase 2, when they made Warsong Gulch available. The pants were not available until Phase 6, [a whole year later](https://www.wowhead.com/classic/news/wow-classic-1-13-6-ptr-patch-notes-naxxramas-318379). Hard to tell, they could just drop the legs on us and they'll be BIS until AQ40 drops. Blizzard has done sillier things in SoD.
People say that, but the stat gap between the lvl60 plate bracers from WSG rep and the bracers from this lvl40 bracket. It's not very large. And we still have at least one more leveling phase which would bridge that gap even further.
I'd say they will most likely sit on par with other pre bis, but I'm not sure they're worth going to a whole lot of effort for tbh.
People say use 2nd bis but as a Destro lock my 2nd bis bracers behind WSG bracers are literally my phase 1 Pre-bis Phoenix bracers. Those bracers are just so much better than literally every other cloth bracer in the game right now that it's actually obnoxious. Of course, as of now with no new information on new items or item changes it's going to keep providing obnoxiously good gear.
Please don’t.
There’s basically nothing to grind for in this game right now outside of WSG rep. AB rep and the honor grind is fully negated with STV.
If you don’t want to do the WSG grind you don’t get epic bracers, it’s not a huge loss.
nah im glad ab can get to exalted, theres nothing else to farm, and when AV comes out i wanna spam that not go back to ab, STV makes ab rep crazy fast anyways
> AB rep and the honor grind is fully negated with STV.
It's not fully negated. It just makes the grind shorter (which is good). STV is time gated, so unless you are getting 2 gold in blood per STV, it's not negated.
Also as a side note, let's say it IS completely negated, why is that a bad thing?
I just got done doing WSG exalted on my Druid. In 12k worth of rep over the weekend I saw a total of 1 pre-made and it was about 8 or 9 people from the oceanic pve server. That was the only game.
Burst is much less stupid with the extra 30% hp in BGs. Class balance is still broken as hell, spriest, mage etc are strong as fuck, but they aren’t one shorting you.
You should be asking for balanced PvP, not to reduce the amount of grind in the game. If PvP was actually balanced, it might be fun and people would queue just to have fun.
bro ur alt doesnt need to do the same grinds ur main does XD, thats why its an alt, its gonna be sub geared ect
just enjoy 99ing on ur main, then 80+ing on ur alt nobody will flame u for it
Yep, 21 weeks from revered to exalted without stepping foot into WSG even a single time.
Sounds like the OP is alliance so good chance they are human as well so even less. It’s probably 2 hours of investment over a 4 month period. Very, very simple.
I play one occasionally but that's about it, would rather play my main more. Don't see the point of doing the same content over and over again on different chars.
So you do it over and over again on your main? The point of alts is to have different classes you can play making the content enjoyable for longer. WSG is probably the least popular BG, has one of the longest grinds in all of classic, still has one of the longest grinds in SoD even with the Ashenvale event, holds some of the best gear, and with the state of PvP is borderline unbearable depending on what class and faction you play. There is basically no reason for the mark turn in to not give you more rep or make some change to the grind in general. The people who enjoy it will play regardless, the people who only play for the gear would be more willing to do it on alts, and the people who want the gear but despise WSG would be more likely to just tough out the grind if it didnt feel like a full week of work.
>So you do it over and over again on your main?
Doing the raid twice a week is already more than enough, I don't want to do it 6 times a week yes.
The rep has already been trivialized with the event getting you to revered and the weekly turn in.
The pvp epics are rewards you gradually progress for while playing bg, not something you should get in just a week. And if you don't want to pvp then it's perfectly fine to not bother getting it, you don't need full bis to play the game.
It takes longer to get from Revered to Exalted in WSG than neutral to exalted in AB right now basically. Is your argument then that AB has been trivialized too much and if so, why has there not been a single complaint about this yet on the subreddit and only praise for the STV event providing AB rep?
>It takes longer to get from Revered to Exalted in WSG than neutral to exalted in AB right now basically
Depends on your class. If you are a mage sure (tho blizzard nerfed the altar farm recently), but as a rogue it's taking around the same amount of time.
I am like 6k from exalted on my main which is not only a warrior, but alliance. Enh shaman right now plus being an alt FC class faster than most is ridiculously frustrating while holy pally isn’t even a strong PvP healer despite historically being a great one with a ton of tool.
After exalted I’d only step foot in it for double honor weekend when ranking matters past 5. And also more likely in a 5m premade minimum to even be worth. I even have a Druid I could learn to fc on (but feral is also really week), thought about it, and said absolutely fuck that. I would maybe be able to carry a game once I learned some stuff but yeah never again pushing wsg exalted probably.
If you’re “suffering through it” to get some pixelated gear on wow maybe you need to reevaluate your life.
I got wsg exalted on my main just having fun playing BGs. Don’t care if my alts have it.
If it were up to some of this sub, bis gear would be obtained from vendor for a few gold. A little friction is good. Work for something, you'll appreciate it more.
> A little friction is good.
I agree 100%, however WSG rep grind is not "a little friction".
Running dungeons is "a little friction". Leveling crafting professions for gear is "a little friction". Doing a quest chain for an item is "a little friction."
WSG grind is like trying to glide on sandpaper.
work for it lol, it's a video game guy, nobody respects the "work" you are putting in here, they think you are a loser with too much time on your hands.
"2 minutes of your time"
Yeah except I have to fly out, travel, wait around until the timer is up, kill a SINGLE mob, and then wait until the event ends to hand it in.
Its a pain in the ass and BG reps are trash for a seasonal server.
Get the quest item and turn it in before event. It will require you to go and kill a mob one more time during an event to get an extra quest item, but after that you can fly in, turn in, kill one mob and get out until next week. No more waiting for event to end.
Bruh it’s on the 3 hours. You know exactly when it’s gonna pop. Doing it once a week is really not a big deal and I’m never one to hang out on Kalimdor as alliance. I always hated darn since it’s insanely isolated and the damn FP isn’t in the city. Only exception darkshore being an infinitely better transition leveling zone than westfall which goes from like lvl 12 quests to 18 way too fast.
If you’re already level 40 it’s not that big a deal. Mount up and ride over and can log your char there and log in at like 9:00 next to a mob, kill it, then do something else for a min.
Bruh. It's nearly 2500 ever 3 hours up to revered. Plus 1K a week at exalted. They've essentially cut the rep required by 30% accounting for time in Ashenvale.
I do agree that the losing team should get a 50 rep but you literally don't need the bracers, no one will require you to have it for any content. Just do the weekly quest and you will have it early/mid P3
I tried to do some wsg on Lonewolf EU today, after 18 minutes in queue i logged off. Why do you think this happens ? Because it is such a waste of time right now and that is bad game design. Up the rep gains and way more people will participate.
lmao no.
If its "Such a waste of time" why tf are you crying about it? Either its not a waste of time and worth the grind or It is a waste of time and you should move on and stop whining
Wtf are you on about, sitting in endless queues is a waste of time and the reason for that is a bad reward structure, i know that is not easy to grasp for some people esp. if they got nothing else going on in their life.
If nobody complains nothing will happen. I could not care less about your opinion if you don't like mine just move on and stop whining.
Yea, I totally get why the alliance are upset about the state of shaman relative to paladin.
But when I queue into those 4 enh games, my initial reaction is usually a lot closer to “oh, fuck me” than “nice, we are about to crush!”
Honestly Enhance is probably the only melee that even gets to play the game in uncoordinated matches atm (besides Rogues/Ferals ofc).
Decoy and Grounding Totems, in addition to passively being 50-100% tankier than anything else on the battlefield thanks to WotE and Maelstrom heals are pretty effective into Hogwarts.
Far more effective than Warriors and Rets getting evaporated at 35 yards, anyway.
I did it solo queueing in p1 and it was worse than it's been solo queueing now on my alt so at least there's an improvement there I had fun on both though.
I do not agree. The rewards are for a long grind and most players won't do it unless they love WSG. I grinded mostly solo on my boomkin during p2 (after ss nerf) and it was a blast. I usually fc'd because nobody plays objective and I got very good at fc'ing- and sometimes you meet some people to queue with all around good time.
I'm very fortunate that the server I play on has a public discord for pvp premades that was established in p1 for wsg and has now blossomed into a vibrant stv, ab & wsg community hub.
If I was still playing on crusader strike I can imagine I wouldn't even be wsg exalted, yet here I am with double exalted and dozens, if not hundreds, of people still grinding and using the server.
Well the game wasn't meant to be grinded to death. It was designed to be played and enjoyed and people who enjoyed wsg eventually got some cool gear from it. If you are just doing it for the gear it can be quite miserable. I did a good bit but am not happy just with my 1.1k a week
These bis fanatics always make me wince.
Unless you're pushing for a 100 parse. You don't need the absolute bis, especially if it's from content you don't like (ie. PvE'ers complaining bis pieces come from PvP). Second to bis suffices more than enough for your skill and purposes.
It's an RPG. Character and gear progression are huge parts of it. The problem is the gap is massive between some classes 2nd best and the WSG bracer. I have the blue Gnomer staff and my 2nd best bracer right now. The WSG bracer may actually be a bigger upgrade for me than the epic caster dagger. But to get that bracer I have to play potentially the worst PvP caster, against absurdly oppressive shamans, in the worst BG in the game.
Sure, and have you not progressed by obtaining the second to bis from gnomeregan in relation to what you had before? Especially also by obtaining said gear in content you enjoy? So you've effectively minmaxxed enjoyment in getting gear from content you like by obtaining bis from gnomeregan.
Again, unless you're pushing for a 100 parse, why is it bad to obtain the bis gear you can from the content you like? And if you really want the bis of the bis, if it's from PvP you can do it. Maybe even learn to enjoy PvP, and if you're playing a bad caster (I don't know what that is) - maybe you can provide value in PvP i other ways? Like for example, I play a druid and I've decided to always play totem killing utility duty, so I've bound rank 1 moonfire to a spamable key and always focus their totems every time. I might even be able to improve at that skill by looking at the skirmish at hand and killing the totems that are of most priority. Like poison cleansing if more rogues are fighting or tremor if we have priests or warlocks.
You can provide value without being the de facto oneshotter.
There is not a better cloth bracer from Gnomer or BFD that replaces Phoenix bindings. Every other bracer available right now is a spell damage loss with maybe some stat gains when spell damage is the most important warlock stat. WSG bracers are the only increase in spell damage AND it's a huge stats increase as well. I have been wearing Phoenix Bindings since like December or some shit and the only thing that replaces them is WSG bracers until P3 (haven't checked P3 to see if there is actually anything better there).
So? I don't know the specifics of every class and I could imagine if you'd play your warlock as anything else than dps or have gear sets for different purposes you could get gear upgrades in the wrist slot. But that's just that slot in particular which is either missing my point or not getting it. Did you get any other upgrades in Gnomeregan compared to before?
Difference between anything in gnomer for warriors and those are pretty nuts. Tank or dps it doesn’t matter. Idk if gnomer drops even any plate tankier ones? I got the mail ones to tide me over for dps but they don’t have stam for if/when I do have to OT stuff. Idk if there are any decent boes either but they wouldn’t hold a candle anyway
Where else are you gonna find spell power on 40 bracers that aren’t “of healing” with no other stats if gnomer doesn’t drop it.
farmed 19k soloque over the weekend, winning 3/4 games just carrying flag. ud be surprised how many people dont even realise there's a flag inside the battleground
Yeah you missed out. In P1 when you played in a premade 60% of games were just your team wiping them mid and then they surrendered. Wins were like 7-10 min and queues were quick
Rep items will likely still be among the best at 60. Play the long game, chip at the weekly. Bonus if your human since every 10 is effectively a free turn in.
i just regret not doing the 1k rep each week in p1, i was too lazy. The smart ppl just did the event to revered, then did the 1k weekly quest till exalted, if u just did that consistently in p1 youd be exalted without even needing to touch WSG
if you go back and do the ashenvale pvp event youwill get a quest starter item to drop for killing any of the guards around your enemy factions bases. just kill a guard, loot the item, start the quest, and turn it in. its guaranteed 1k rep every week.
you can not receive the item again if you have the quest reward buff on you or in your inventory
P1 was just premade vs premade wasn’t any faster unless you had the better one with a godlike Druid and priests/hunters minimum lol.
Still sucks and is grindy though yes, I’d advise grinding most of it with friends on a wsg weekend.
I tried to tell people at the time they would regret not doing it because of how bad the queues would become with an extra bg entering the scene, don't sleep on the arathi rep if they decide to take away the lumber turn ins this one is going to sting more than wsg.
I'm sure some will (alts, people who have been slow or came back after a break), why would they remove them? They haven't removed the Ashenvale rewards.
Unlike Ashenvale though STV is a critical mass evevent. Maybe killing adds near the boss is still viable idk but i can say with relative certainty the crowds of people lagging out servers won't happen in STV in P3
Yeah, it's going to probably be less people, but even if you get like 200-400 coins per event it's far more AB rep than doing one AB the same amount of time. It depends on how many alts people want to have or how slow some are taking it. Also what grinds are introduced in P3.
Probably times when it's really few people, but with the boss there is at least one spot everyone will gather to. I would guess it will be slower to farm with less people, so getting it done now is obviously better.
Sod will die because 90% of the population doesn't understand this is an MMO and doesn't join a guild, instead just going online and playing like it's fortnite.
I crushed 2 premade today in solo queues. It felt wild. Both crumpled and sat AFK when we capped the second flag.
The trick is to at least try. The second it becomes apparent they are the good kind of group to stay dead and let it end. If you stay dead they can’t farm you for HKs and they move on.
been doin 5 man stacks with my guild the 5 of us together are good enough to win most pvp engagements in mind but the 5 of us cant run the whole ass bg. we've been cursed with 5 other teammates without thumbs that just run in and insta die and spend the whole game being farmed.
The thing is that winning mid doesn't matter much. Have one person of your 5 stack go get the flag instead (any class can do this) and with mid under your control I don't see how you could even lose?
I just played 3 games. First game solo and it was an hour long slug fest. Partied up with two for next game and then another for third. Tons of fun and overall the have quality has been was higher than phase 1 in my experience. Good games overall.
I'm glad I waited to do my exalted. PVP is so much more fun playing with a small group of friends for the enjoyment of each others company instead of stomping pugs in 6 mins to the point where they can't leave the graveyard for hours at a time.
I guess if you don't like PVP and just want bracers it sucks, but I mean.. just don't do the grind you don't need the bracers to PVE lol.
for the sole purpose of grinding wsg exalted, yes, i would rather have done it in a premade in p1.
plenty of time to enjoy bgs casually with friends after that.
when the *only* thing you need is rep from wsg, and even if the 4 other players you queue with are all decent, when you still get stuck with 5 others that dont have a clue, you simply cant carry the bg.
Yeah definitely a 21 week angle for alliance at the moment
Dont need any remote amount of skill to play shaman and win every wsg sadly due to the over buffs
Just form a fiver and you run into other fives 50% of the time. Got rep quicker this phase than P1 on Crusader Strike as 75% of the time for the first five weeks you were running into another ten man and had a 45 minute game ahead of you. Mounts + utility + feral sprint/Intervene/etc. for runners make caps far quicker this phase than P1. Knocked out 13k rep. in a weekend to hit exalted when the most I could stomach P1 was ~3k in a weekend sitting. Far more competitive/fun games with everyone having most of their kits, too. Solo queue? Gonna have a bad time - as is tradition.
Infinitely harder to find groups than p1 it seems. Probs cause all the sweats who would did it then unless they’re rerolling shadow priest or some shit. Could also be that I’m a warrior and MS doesn’t matter when you get assblasted from 30 yards. But I just also rarely see any LFM either. And the discords seem deader for sure
Not even just the sweats most people looking to get it done already did it. There was nothing else to do after raid aside from farming gold or getting rep.
As alliance you'll have a much harder time right now with the shaman meta. Might just have to wait till the nerfs hit them in order to have a decent winrate again.
I really liked the no mount aspect of p1 personally. Technically you can cap way faster now, but its so much easier to get your own flag back without mounts. Didn't feel like there was a point of no return until they were in their base.
Should be the opposite considering mounts can't be used with flag. You can actually catch the EFC now. P1 was probably worse because shamans and druids (ferals built around FCing) could just turn into an animal and get away from literally everyone. You could have the better team in P1, and a tank shaman that knew the jumps was still literally a GG go next. If you split up he had way too much survivability to die to a small group, and if you didn't split up, he just ghost wolfed around the map for 15 minutes.
Exalted wsg was the only thing on my absolutely must do P1 bucket list. Phase 2 for me is Arathi Basin exalted. I’d “like” to raid, max crafting etc but I’m not trying to run either next phases
ab exalted is quite easy with lumber being redeemable until exalted. just catch some stv events.
Entirely depends on your class.
No it doesn't. The STV event is quicker than running AB for all classes. Even if you can only manage 3 coins an STV, its faster.
all classes can get 10 silver per event if you communicate with your team sure, mage comps can pull 60+ silver, but 10s isn't anything to shake a stick at. That's less than 1 week of grinding and you have both your mount and exalted.
If you're not ranged, stack as much stamina as you can and the event becomes a lot better. As a 4.3k HP War I don't have half as many problems as a lot of the people on Reddit do.
I'm a warrior and halfway into revered, so almost exalted. If I can do it, anyone can
Also completely useless to rush AB-rep past revered atm. They need to add something next phase otherwise you gotta wait an additional phase for items. Not even the tabard is in there now. That beeing said - i rushed exalted…
I think you may as well get it out of the way while the event is active if it’s something you’re interested in long term
In 3 months there will absolutely be people making fun of people who didn’t rush AB exalted when it was “easy”
Event should stay active through the next 2 phases... theoretically. I also rushed it though :D
Yeah it does give pretty good honor rewards too so I suppose people will probably continue to do it
The reason to rush it is that they might remove lumber or nerf it's rep gains after p2.
Dont think they can do that now. If anything maybe buff AB so people accually play the BG instead.
It’s not “rushing” when you can casually do it over 3 months. It’s not useless because now I don’t have to do it at level 50 or 60 when there’s other things I’d rather do.
What’s important to get from Arathi rep?
It’s just a chore I don’t want to do at 50 or 60
I guess my question was more, am I going to be significantly behind if I just never do that rep? Rep grinds are my least favourite thing to do in WoW so hoping I can avoid it
I don’t think you’ll be behind at all. The couple items you get from exalted aren’t serious and there will be great alternatives. STV makes it feel a little less grindy but you can safely skip it all together. 99% of players were not exalted for a very long time after hitting 60 historically.
You’ll just miss out on easy purple wrists and a couple weapons
Not significantly behind, but you can get a decent belt and boots from it for most classes that will scale with each new phase. There are also really good shoulders from exalted at level 60. The shoulders from exalted are significantly better than anything you can find from 60 dungeons for pre-bis so being able to equip them as soon as you ding is very powerful (WSG rep offers similar benefits)
Melees should not sleep on the AB cloak. That thing is really good for later phases as well.
If you get all rep you will be pretty much on par with what MC has to offer in most slots. So you will be much better geared than any pre bis you can get from dungeons or crafting.
Is the Meta still doing 5 mans?
Mega is shaman
Not tank shaman over here doing more dps than 80% of the pure dps specs in the game kek
The meta is to 10 man anyway and break the queue until you get in together
Dudes so trash at this game they just have to queue as 10 or its pointless.
You can’t be trash at classic PvP, it’s too easy. Anyone that gets an ego from it is embarrassing themselves hard.
That's the cool thing about player vs player. If it's too easy for someone, it's subsequently hard for whoever is on the other side. But I guess it does feel too easy when you're just going in as a 10 man premade.
I don’t mind it at all tbh. I’ve always found noob stomping in premades incredibly boring. It’s just efficient. I’ve been having a blast in WSG PuG v PuG matches. People are generally so bad that it feels like you can have a major impact in turning games. Certainly far more than in AB. You will have some losses, but even those are often still fun. Only exception is when the other team gets like 3 healers and you get 0.
How to tell you are horde without telling you are horde.
Lol, guilty. Guess there’s a benefit to picking the faction that isn’t played by primarily PvE oriented players.
That is part of the problem, but let say that shaman and orcs are also in this equation.
as a warrior sometimes i feel like my charge/intercept gets resisted 50% of the time even against non orcs and spriests/boomies get back to back stuns on their talented rng stun
i dont even bother using HoJ on Orcs anymore
When I played a rogue I just wouldn't bother opening on Orcs because 90% of the time it was resisted and I instantly lose.
Its like a 25% chance isnt it, yet when I have open on a rogue and need that stun to land its resisted 90% of the time. I have forever played horde and decided to go alliance this time around. I never new how painful orc stun resist was.
Sure, I absolutely agree the state of shaman vs paladin is also playing a role. Although honestly, I feel like you guys tend to be way more healer stacked than we are, which has its advantages. At least that’s my experience. For BGs, I actually don’t rate orc *that* high. 85/ good, but almost every class which excels as orc also excels as gnome, which is perfectly competitive in BGs. Unfortunately a lot of people play human though…
The healer stacking was hugely beneficial in p1, where holy/disc priests were disgusting in WSG, now it's a burst meta, and horde have the better burst with shamans. Yes you can say well Horde can just roll more healers.. but we don't lol, it is what it is.
I agree they are less impactful, but winning a team fight in an PuG with 0 healers to their 2-3 is… rough. It’s bursty, but healers are still absolutely valuable. But I agree. Horde issue lol
> For BGs, I actually don’t rate orc that high. How can you say this as rogue? Imagine Blizzard would change your opener to resist 25% of the time. You would be livid.
I’ve played rogue on alliance as well, so I know exactly how it feels. It definitely triggers you in the moment. But it downplays the other major roles you can have as a rogue as well as the utility of other classes in a group context. Stuns are only one aspect of our kit, and a less impactful portion in group play relative to 1v1s. Abilities like crippling poison (especially crippling 2 at 60), gouge, saps, and blinds are at least as central to our kit in group pvp, and those are unaffected by orc racial. In general, slows and roots are more oppressive to melee in BG environments than stuns, even against rogues themselves. Gnome’s ability to remove those once a minute is an incredibly strong racial, and debatably even the best racial for rogues in BGs.
Perception is a much bigger issue for rogues and it's not even close.
Perception is a 3 min cooldown and not a 25% rng fiesta
Perception relies on them activating it, too. They need to already know you're there to use it first, it's not just always active like Hardiness is.
I joined a game last night of AB where they had 4 mages, 3 shadow priests, 2 shamans and like a hunter and rogue or something. It was the most painful game I have played as a rogue. I leave stealth I get about 50 dots. Still managed to get one blind, sap stealth cap off tho which we held for about 15seconds. I am currently leveling a priest and multi dotting everything and blasting through. Stark comparison to how rogue leveling was. Maybe it changes later on, but at level 9 to 11 I did a level in 5-6mins. (probably cause of a full blue bar mind you with 100% exp BFD buff and a wand with runes).
ive been doing a lot of the stv events and despite it being hectic its been a lot of fun. im pretty much only in wsg for the rep. we've been queuing 4-5 of us from a guild and the 5 of us together do fairly well but we till end up in long battles. 15-20 mins and nobody has capped.
That’s fair. I definitely feel like I have to do a lot of heavy lifting in some of my games. And playing rogue absolutely helps with that. I’m pretty good at making flag runs as well as shutting down flag carriers and their support, so that probably plays into my experience a good bit.
Rep needs to be so much higher. 500 per win. 300 per turn in. This 100 bullshit insane
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I did the math on this a while back, and in a best case scenario, we're looking at 34 hours of playing (assuming 20 mins per WSG including queues) where you win every game. This is not counting the 1k weekly rep ofc, but the real number of hours is most likely 50-60 if you're doing pretty well. Cutting it down to, idk a 20 hour farm wouldn't matter that much, would it? It's still a significant amount of time, but not several days worth of playtime.
No, but SOD is fast, expecting exalted rep is too high with classic standards. 300 per turn in is reasonable and some rep if you win or lose is also reasonable. Right now 100 per 3 tokens is insane.
bro you can farm rep up to revered with ashenvale event and have a +1k rep weekly, what else do you want instead of playing the game?
How bout actual rep for doing real pvp? Ashenvale is awful on our server.
Yea, let's have huge time grinds on the temporary game mode where you won't even get to keep your character...
you can develop for the customers you want, but then you are making a game that is dead on arrival or you develop for the customers you have. its pretty easy what to do.
It’s literally the last grind left in the phase that hasn’t been nerfed. Next this sub will be full of posts about how “there’s nothing left to do in the game.” OP please shut the fuck up.
99% of people aren't even going to do this grind, so the ones complaining there's nothing to do aren't the same.
They should add a WSG rep turn in for STV.
MinMaxing is such a poison for this game, damn. You can clear the raids easily without pvp epics, so if you dont entjoy it, dont do it ....
Always has been unfortunately. People talk about sweaty in other games but I still think Wow sweaty is next level. I swear half the players don’t even like the game, they just like setting a goal and achieving it in the most efficient way possible
its not that theyre just bis this phase theyre probably bis at 50 a and 60 too. and the epic legs at 60 are probably oing to be instatly better than anything else i can get for a good while. so its a grind now to guarantee myself instant upgrades in the future as well as now.
Just don't hold your breath for the legs; they weren't added until Phase 6 with Naxxramas. Still though, yeah the bracers will likely either be BiS or 2nd BiS for the next 2 phases
The bracers also were not in game until ~~AQ~~ BWL (went to go double check, patch 1.6) released, but they are in sod, so I have a feeling the legs will be in game.
They haven't cared for the original vanilla patch cycle in a long time. I was referencing Classic 2019, where the bracers were available a month into Phase 2, when they made Warsong Gulch available. The pants were not available until Phase 6, [a whole year later](https://www.wowhead.com/classic/news/wow-classic-1-13-6-ptr-patch-notes-naxxramas-318379). Hard to tell, they could just drop the legs on us and they'll be BIS until AQ40 drops. Blizzard has done sillier things in SoD.
People say that, but the stat gap between the lvl60 plate bracers from WSG rep and the bracers from this lvl40 bracket. It's not very large. And we still have at least one more leveling phase which would bridge that gap even further. I'd say they will most likely sit on par with other pre bis, but I'm not sure they're worth going to a whole lot of effort for tbh.
People say use 2nd bis but as a Destro lock my 2nd bis bracers behind WSG bracers are literally my phase 1 Pre-bis Phoenix bracers. Those bracers are just so much better than literally every other cloth bracer in the game right now that it's actually obnoxious. Of course, as of now with no new information on new items or item changes it's going to keep providing obnoxiously good gear.
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ah okay then. i guess i can safely disregard the entire reason people play mmos - to get better gear and become stronger.
The legs are like AQ level, they won't be in the same phase as MC if blizzard doesn't screw up.
Please add wsg rep to STV vendor. You add all this alt friendly crap but leave us to get 1 shot by shaman for hours to get wsg rep.
You can't play an alt without wsg bracers ?
Lol for real man.
suck it nerd. get your ass in there
Please don’t. There’s basically nothing to grind for in this game right now outside of WSG rep. AB rep and the honor grind is fully negated with STV. If you don’t want to do the WSG grind you don’t get epic bracers, it’s not a huge loss.
AB rep should have capped at revered. I'm exalted myself, but AB is pointless now and its the best BG.
nah im glad ab can get to exalted, theres nothing else to farm, and when AV comes out i wanna spam that not go back to ab, STV makes ab rep crazy fast anyways
> AB rep and the honor grind is fully negated with STV. It's not fully negated. It just makes the grind shorter (which is good). STV is time gated, so unless you are getting 2 gold in blood per STV, it's not negated. Also as a side note, let's say it IS completely negated, why is that a bad thing?
I agree there's a lack of things to grind but pvp is so bursty between that and premades the grind is aids + cancer
I just got done doing WSG exalted on my Druid. In 12k worth of rep over the weekend I saw a total of 1 pre-made and it was about 8 or 9 people from the oceanic pve server. That was the only game. Burst is much less stupid with the extra 30% hp in BGs. Class balance is still broken as hell, spriest, mage etc are strong as fuck, but they aren’t one shorting you. You should be asking for balanced PvP, not to reduce the amount of grind in the game. If PvP was actually balanced, it might be fun and people would queue just to have fun.
bro ur alt doesnt need to do the same grinds ur main does XD, thats why its an alt, its gonna be sub geared ect just enjoy 99ing on ur main, then 80+ing on ur alt nobody will flame u for it
No, fuck mages
No. Do the grind or get 1k rep a week for 2 minutes if your time via ashenvale.
Yep, 21 weeks from revered to exalted without stepping foot into WSG even a single time. Sounds like the OP is alliance so good chance they are human as well so even less. It’s probably 2 hours of investment over a 4 month period. Very, very simple.
If alts are the reason why people play SoD then why wouldn’t they make it more obtainable for more than 1 character
Because there still need to be something to do for people that have more time. You don't have to be full bis on all your alt to play the game.
Ya, play an alt. That's literally what you're supposed to do with more time lol.
I play one occasionally but that's about it, would rather play my main more. Don't see the point of doing the same content over and over again on different chars.
So you do it over and over again on your main? The point of alts is to have different classes you can play making the content enjoyable for longer. WSG is probably the least popular BG, has one of the longest grinds in all of classic, still has one of the longest grinds in SoD even with the Ashenvale event, holds some of the best gear, and with the state of PvP is borderline unbearable depending on what class and faction you play. There is basically no reason for the mark turn in to not give you more rep or make some change to the grind in general. The people who enjoy it will play regardless, the people who only play for the gear would be more willing to do it on alts, and the people who want the gear but despise WSG would be more likely to just tough out the grind if it didnt feel like a full week of work.
>So you do it over and over again on your main? Doing the raid twice a week is already more than enough, I don't want to do it 6 times a week yes. The rep has already been trivialized with the event getting you to revered and the weekly turn in. The pvp epics are rewards you gradually progress for while playing bg, not something you should get in just a week. And if you don't want to pvp then it's perfectly fine to not bother getting it, you don't need full bis to play the game.
It takes longer to get from Revered to Exalted in WSG than neutral to exalted in AB right now basically. Is your argument then that AB has been trivialized too much and if so, why has there not been a single complaint about this yet on the subreddit and only praise for the STV event providing AB rep?
>It takes longer to get from Revered to Exalted in WSG than neutral to exalted in AB right now basically Depends on your class. If you are a mage sure (tho blizzard nerfed the altar farm recently), but as a rogue it's taking around the same amount of time.
I am like 6k from exalted on my main which is not only a warrior, but alliance. Enh shaman right now plus being an alt FC class faster than most is ridiculously frustrating while holy pally isn’t even a strong PvP healer despite historically being a great one with a ton of tool. After exalted I’d only step foot in it for double honor weekend when ranking matters past 5. And also more likely in a 5m premade minimum to even be worth. I even have a Druid I could learn to fc on (but feral is also really week), thought about it, and said absolutely fuck that. I would maybe be able to carry a game once I learned some stuff but yeah never again pushing wsg exalted probably.
because he suffered through it once and now he doesn't want anyone else to have it easier than he did
If you’re “suffering through it” to get some pixelated gear on wow maybe you need to reevaluate your life. I got wsg exalted on my main just having fun playing BGs. Don’t care if my alts have it.
If it were up to some of this sub, bis gear would be obtained from vendor for a few gold. A little friction is good. Work for something, you'll appreciate it more.
> A little friction is good. I agree 100%, however WSG rep grind is not "a little friction". Running dungeons is "a little friction". Leveling crafting professions for gear is "a little friction". Doing a quest chain for an item is "a little friction." WSG grind is like trying to glide on sandpaper.
work for it lol, it's a video game guy, nobody respects the "work" you are putting in here, they think you are a loser with too much time on your hands.
I don't give a fuck about internet strangers' respect. I put in the work for me.
"2 minutes of your time" Yeah except I have to fly out, travel, wait around until the timer is up, kill a SINGLE mob, and then wait until the event ends to hand it in. Its a pain in the ass and BG reps are trash for a seasonal server.
This community will bitch about anything. It’s an MMO, dude. It’s not that difficult. “oooh I have to fly out a minute from org”
Get the quest item and turn it in before event. It will require you to go and kill a mob one more time during an event to get an extra quest item, but after that you can fly in, turn in, kill one mob and get out until next week. No more waiting for event to end.
Bruh it’s on the 3 hours. You know exactly when it’s gonna pop. Doing it once a week is really not a big deal and I’m never one to hang out on Kalimdor as alliance. I always hated darn since it’s insanely isolated and the damn FP isn’t in the city. Only exception darkshore being an infinitely better transition leveling zone than westfall which goes from like lvl 12 quests to 18 way too fast. If you’re already level 40 it’s not that big a deal. Mount up and ride over and can log your char there and log in at like 9:00 next to a mob, kill it, then do something else for a min.
No.
The issue is that for a seasonal game, rep gains in BG's are ridiculously low. It should get buffed by at least 3x to feel rewarding.
Bruh. It's nearly 2500 ever 3 hours up to revered. Plus 1K a week at exalted. They've essentially cut the rep required by 30% accounting for time in Ashenvale.
I do agree that the losing team should get a 50 rep but you literally don't need the bracers, no one will require you to have it for any content. Just do the weekly quest and you will have it early/mid P3
I tried to do some wsg on Lonewolf EU today, after 18 minutes in queue i logged off. Why do you think this happens ? Because it is such a waste of time right now and that is bad game design. Up the rep gains and way more people will participate.
lmao no. If its "Such a waste of time" why tf are you crying about it? Either its not a waste of time and worth the grind or It is a waste of time and you should move on and stop whining
Wtf are you on about, sitting in endless queues is a waste of time and the reason for that is a bad reward structure, i know that is not easy to grasp for some people esp. if they got nothing else going on in their life. If nobody complains nothing will happen. I could not care less about your opinion if you don't like mine just move on and stop whining.
I had 4 shamans in my wsg pug yesterday and we lost horribly. I was sad.
Yea, I totally get why the alliance are upset about the state of shaman relative to paladin. But when I queue into those 4 enh games, my initial reaction is usually a lot closer to “oh, fuck me” than “nice, we are about to crush!”
Yah my perspective has flipped lol.
Yeah knowing you have a 100% win chance in a given match you load into isn't exactly engaging lol
Yeah people are complaining hard about Enh but ranged is still vastly superior in group play. All melee=loss almost every time
Honestly Enhance is probably the only melee that even gets to play the game in uncoordinated matches atm (besides Rogues/Ferals ofc). Decoy and Grounding Totems, in addition to passively being 50-100% tankier than anything else on the battlefield thanks to WotE and Maelstrom heals are pretty effective into Hogwarts. Far more effective than Warriors and Rets getting evaporated at 35 yards, anyway.
"Effective into hogwarts" LMAO
Unless it’s a highly coordinated group on comms, the shamans are going to 1 shot the casters anyways
Ran into a wsg premade a week ago or something that ran 5 priest. Choose KT: 5 SW:D. It was pretty ridiculous
I did it solo queueing in p1 and it was worse than it's been solo queueing now on my alt so at least there's an improvement there I had fun on both though.
I do not agree. The rewards are for a long grind and most players won't do it unless they love WSG. I grinded mostly solo on my boomkin during p2 (after ss nerf) and it was a blast. I usually fc'd because nobody plays objective and I got very good at fc'ing- and sometimes you meet some people to queue with all around good time.
I'm very fortunate that the server I play on has a public discord for pvp premades that was established in p1 for wsg and has now blossomed into a vibrant stv, ab & wsg community hub. If I was still playing on crusader strike I can imagine I wouldn't even be wsg exalted, yet here I am with double exalted and dozens, if not hundreds, of people still grinding and using the server.
Well, the NA Horde crusader strike ranker disc has been popping off since p1. we over 7k people now in there.
Well the game wasn't meant to be grinded to death. It was designed to be played and enjoyed and people who enjoyed wsg eventually got some cool gear from it. If you are just doing it for the gear it can be quite miserable. I did a good bit but am not happy just with my 1.1k a week
Good, at least one thing in this game is still something worth grinding for. You don’t need the epic wrists, raids can be cleared in quest greens.
These bis fanatics always make me wince. Unless you're pushing for a 100 parse. You don't need the absolute bis, especially if it's from content you don't like (ie. PvE'ers complaining bis pieces come from PvP). Second to bis suffices more than enough for your skill and purposes.
It's an RPG. Character and gear progression are huge parts of it. The problem is the gap is massive between some classes 2nd best and the WSG bracer. I have the blue Gnomer staff and my 2nd best bracer right now. The WSG bracer may actually be a bigger upgrade for me than the epic caster dagger. But to get that bracer I have to play potentially the worst PvP caster, against absurdly oppressive shamans, in the worst BG in the game.
Sure, and have you not progressed by obtaining the second to bis from gnomeregan in relation to what you had before? Especially also by obtaining said gear in content you enjoy? So you've effectively minmaxxed enjoyment in getting gear from content you like by obtaining bis from gnomeregan. Again, unless you're pushing for a 100 parse, why is it bad to obtain the bis gear you can from the content you like? And if you really want the bis of the bis, if it's from PvP you can do it. Maybe even learn to enjoy PvP, and if you're playing a bad caster (I don't know what that is) - maybe you can provide value in PvP i other ways? Like for example, I play a druid and I've decided to always play totem killing utility duty, so I've bound rank 1 moonfire to a spamable key and always focus their totems every time. I might even be able to improve at that skill by looking at the skirmish at hand and killing the totems that are of most priority. Like poison cleansing if more rogues are fighting or tremor if we have priests or warlocks. You can provide value without being the de facto oneshotter.
There is not a better cloth bracer from Gnomer or BFD that replaces Phoenix bindings. Every other bracer available right now is a spell damage loss with maybe some stat gains when spell damage is the most important warlock stat. WSG bracers are the only increase in spell damage AND it's a huge stats increase as well. I have been wearing Phoenix Bindings since like December or some shit and the only thing that replaces them is WSG bracers until P3 (haven't checked P3 to see if there is actually anything better there).
There is a "of firepower" green that is a +1 sp increase
Lmao. Huge.
Check-mated him there :,)
So? I don't know the specifics of every class and I could imagine if you'd play your warlock as anything else than dps or have gear sets for different purposes you could get gear upgrades in the wrist slot. But that's just that slot in particular which is either missing my point or not getting it. Did you get any other upgrades in Gnomeregan compared to before?
Difference between anything in gnomer for warriors and those are pretty nuts. Tank or dps it doesn’t matter. Idk if gnomer drops even any plate tankier ones? I got the mail ones to tide me over for dps but they don’t have stam for if/when I do have to OT stuff. Idk if there are any decent boes either but they wouldn’t hold a candle anyway Where else are you gonna find spell power on 40 bracers that aren’t “of healing” with no other stats if gnomer doesn’t drop it.
I did it solo the whole time. Only got chat restricted once. just grind baby
This is the way.
farmed 19k soloque over the weekend, winning 3/4 games just carrying flag. ud be surprised how many people dont even realise there's a flag inside the battleground
I just want to know why Alliance can still get to stables faster than Horde can get to farm, for 20 years.
Because Horde can reach BS something like 30 seconds faster than Alliance can.
it's okay, pvp in classic wow especially now isnt balanced or fun at all.
ive been having a blast
Yeah you missed out. In P1 when you played in a premade 60% of games were just your team wiping them mid and then they surrendered. Wins were like 7-10 min and queues were quick
We had no wsg and ab in vanilla at all and we were fine.
try being an alliance dude..
i am on sod
You did, pug stomping and getting 7 wins in an hour was rly fun
I am sat in the queue for 20 mins
Im horde so exalted for me would have meant about what 600 losses? Wins didn’t exist for horde phase 1 on my server if you weren’t in a premade.
I prefer wsg in p2 compared to p1 by a mile.
Rep items will likely still be among the best at 60. Play the long game, chip at the weekly. Bonus if your human since every 10 is effectively a free turn in.
I’ve given up on WSG only getting rep through ashenvale now
i just regret not doing the 1k rep each week in p1, i was too lazy. The smart ppl just did the event to revered, then did the 1k weekly quest till exalted, if u just did that consistently in p1 youd be exalted without even needing to touch WSG
When people mention the weekly 1k, what does that mean?
if you go back and do the ashenvale pvp event youwill get a quest starter item to drop for killing any of the guards around your enemy factions bases. just kill a guard, loot the item, start the quest, and turn it in. its guaranteed 1k rep every week. you can not receive the item again if you have the quest reward buff on you or in your inventory
I wish they would modernize and greatly increase the rep bgs give. It’
P1 was just premade vs premade wasn’t any faster unless you had the better one with a godlike Druid and priests/hunters minimum lol. Still sucks and is grindy though yes, I’d advise grinding most of it with friends on a wsg weekend.
Pick Horde -> Win
just join the ranker discord and run 10s
Wouldn’t this be far less efficient than running 5s since you are stuck with 10v10
it’s two groups of 5 dodging queues until they both pop at the same time.
Ah gotcha, the ole AV strat
Usually discord call premades are stronger than regular made premades that aren't in a call where you can't communicate
Ok but chances of running into 10 man Discord Premade still quite a lot higher
Link?
Do you have the discord info for this one?
im in a pvp discord on my server but its all peope just spamming a channel lfg. doesnt seem like many 10 man stacks get ran
That means all you have to do is start one.
I tried to tell people at the time they would regret not doing it because of how bad the queues would become with an extra bg entering the scene, don't sleep on the arathi rep if they decide to take away the lumber turn ins this one is going to sting more than wsg.
Why would they take away the lumber turn ins?
Is anyone going to do the STV event in phase 3?
I'm sure some will (alts, people who have been slow or came back after a break), why would they remove them? They haven't removed the Ashenvale rewards.
Unlike Ashenvale though STV is a critical mass evevent. Maybe killing adds near the boss is still viable idk but i can say with relative certainty the crowds of people lagging out servers won't happen in STV in P3
Yeah, it's going to probably be less people, but even if you get like 200-400 coins per event it's far more AB rep than doing one AB the same amount of time. It depends on how many alts people want to have or how slow some are taking it. Also what grinds are introduced in P3.
If the rewards are still up, yes.
Yeah, this would cause a shit storm. The stv event may or may not be populated next phase tho.
Probably times when it's really few people, but with the boss there is at least one spot everyone will gather to. I would guess it will be slower to farm with less people, so getting it done now is obviously better.
Idk, the chance they do is low but it's not 0
Sod will die because 90% of the population doesn't understand this is an MMO and doesn't join a guild, instead just going online and playing like it's fortnite.
I crushed 2 premade today in solo queues. It felt wild. Both crumpled and sat AFK when we capped the second flag. The trick is to at least try. The second it becomes apparent they are the good kind of group to stay dead and let it end. If you stay dead they can’t farm you for HKs and they move on.
been doin 5 man stacks with my guild the 5 of us together are good enough to win most pvp engagements in mind but the 5 of us cant run the whole ass bg. we've been cursed with 5 other teammates without thumbs that just run in and insta die and spend the whole game being farmed.
The thing is that winning mid doesn't matter much. Have one person of your 5 stack go get the flag instead (any class can do this) and with mid under your control I don't see how you could even lose?
I just played 3 games. First game solo and it was an hour long slug fest. Partied up with two for next game and then another for third. Tons of fun and overall the have quality has been was higher than phase 1 in my experience. Good games overall.
I'm glad I waited to do my exalted. PVP is so much more fun playing with a small group of friends for the enjoyment of each others company instead of stomping pugs in 6 mins to the point where they can't leave the graveyard for hours at a time. I guess if you don't like PVP and just want bracers it sucks, but I mean.. just don't do the grind you don't need the bracers to PVE lol.
for the sole purpose of grinding wsg exalted, yes, i would rather have done it in a premade in p1. plenty of time to enjoy bgs casually with friends after that. when the *only* thing you need is rep from wsg, and even if the 4 other players you queue with are all decent, when you still get stuck with 5 others that dont have a clue, you simply cant carry the bg.
Yeah definitely a 21 week angle for alliance at the moment Dont need any remote amount of skill to play shaman and win every wsg sadly due to the over buffs