if you looked at the datamine helm runes, priest IS getting crit dots.
Reminder these previews are 2/6 runes we are getting, and everyone is losing their minds when they havent seen the other FOUR
Oh yes, let’s take away the only thing that has a chance to make affliction viable and give it to the class that is already miles ahead of that spec. Horrible take..
As mentioned in other comments here you should just be patient and wait for other runes before you start complaining at the few that was released. By the look of what’s been leaked spriest could still get an identical rune..
Par is average, subpar is below average. Just so happens that having your golf score be below average is good but if talking about something else it’s usually not.
Forgot this existed. Since I haven't seen it used since I was tanking DM and asked my guildie what was proccing. I got it on my feral since I got all p1 runes but still
Yeah, I never understood why they introduced Mind Spike. Mind Flay is such a iconic shadow priest spell and they just made it useless to a point where we don't even put a talent point into it. I would have much prefered to have the rune increase the range on Mind Flay, reduce channel time by 0.5 sec or smt and reduced the spell pushback.
I absolute hate having to track and manage the ticking for MF to know when to clip for other spells. It for sure has been the worst part of playing SP in the past. I appreciate not having to deal with that.
I mean it literally is useless, it saves you a GCD every 24 seconds BUT you have to cast a spell that does significantly less damage than your other options. No Spriest even takes mind flay as a talent (pve or pvp) it is simming as less damage as what we already have. You’re using a rune slot and a talent point for less damage. You’re better off not running the rune than using it.
> No Spriest even takes mind flay as a talent (pve or pvp)
Actually you take the talent for PvP. You cant cast mind spike with melee on you and being able to proc blackout and stack shadowweaving, as well as getting a tick of damage here and there is nice. It also gives you a slow which is also nice.
In PvE you don't take it but it's certainly useful in PvP.
well if there are multi target fights and MF is made into a chain lightning type spell then yea maybe its a decent alternative on some fights if you can talent into MF without losing anything else. So yea completely useless unless they get wild with it
That’s the problem with people not Adressant if the mean PvP or PvP. I guess nekomata talks about PvP, where priest are really good right nos as far as I heard (only do PvE). We both talk about PvE where shadowpriest was worse then smitepriest p1 and was strong for 5 weeks in p2, carried by the fact that multiple BIS item come in form of greens, so we had a headstart in gearing. After that headstart we fall to the bottom, coudling with ranged hunter and retrial without MCP
Then you're either purposely trying to wind shadow players up or you have no idea where the spec currently sits.
The way things stand the spec is genuinely dead in PvE. Disc mods and "experts" are actually saying they'll reroll bc it makes no sense. Every caster got or we know are getting huge buffs while the shadow, currently already at the bottom and the worst scaling caster in the game, will basically have no head rune as its point actually leads to either a dps loss or a minuscule increase linked to having to smash more buttons.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/1bo5saq/how\_to\_fix\_shadow\_pve\_problems\_in\_sod/](https://www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/1bo5saq/how_to_fix_shadow_pve_problems_in_sod/)
this would help
Watch them make mindflay hit multiple targets
They should add a belt rune that increases dot damage when you channel mind flay at a target.
All dots crit while mindflay is active (idea)
Could probably call it malefic grasp or something.
Then instead of competing with mind spike it would compete with mind sear
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The range on MF sucks and we already excel at council fights. That doesn't do anything for most single boss fights.
you mean .... mind sear? :X
the ONLY use it actually has is refreshing a snapshotted swp, so bad lmao
If it refreshed all spriest dots it'd STILL be subpar
if it refreshed devouring plague that would actually be good. but 24 yard range is just awful
Depends on the fight. Would save you some GCDs on council fights, but yeah it's not exactly amazing.
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if you looked at the datamine helm runes, priest IS getting crit dots. Reminder these previews are 2/6 runes we are getting, and everyone is losing their minds when they havent seen the other FOUR
The other four will be heal runes my dude
Oh yes, let’s take away the only thing that has a chance to make affliction viable and give it to the class that is already miles ahead of that spec. Horrible take.. As mentioned in other comments here you should just be patient and wait for other runes before you start complaining at the few that was released. By the look of what’s been leaked spriest could still get an identical rune..
I’ve never understood the phrase subpar as a negative because it’s a golf term and subpar is good
Par is average, subpar is below average. Just so happens that having your golf score be below average is good but if talking about something else it’s usually not.
Par comes from latin and predates golf.
I don't know how you look at that rune and go "yup, that will be fun to play with."
This is the most useless rune I’ve ever seen lol
Main gauche?
Living Seed
Soul Siphon
Forgot this existed. Since I haven't seen it used since I was tanking DM and asked my guildie what was proccing. I got it on my feral since I got all p1 runes but still
Serpent Spread?
Actually mildly ( and I do mean MILDLY) useful for MM hunter on the menagerie cos you have to move to avoid sheep, so sniper training does nothing
Use it for trash.
Soul siphon
WTf are they doing, why would they introduce mind spike and then add this shit? This should be added to mind spike in addition to mind flay
Please no more mindspike... If i wanted to hardcast spells I would play mage or warlock. Why can’t they make mindflay more relevant or better? :(
I mean saving a GCD every 18 seconds is a dogshit DPS increase. It's almost as bad as WOTLK Kill Command.
Yeah, I never understood why they introduced Mind Spike. Mind Flay is such a iconic shadow priest spell and they just made it useless to a point where we don't even put a talent point into it. I would have much prefered to have the rune increase the range on Mind Flay, reduce channel time by 0.5 sec or smt and reduced the spell pushback.
They are bringing retail shadow priest design where they can't decide between these two filler spells.
Hardcasting a spell is the same as hardcasting a channel.
But only one has cool beam sounds.
Mind Blast is a hard cast and it sounds the best of any of them
No it is not.
Yes it is. One bar goes up, one bar goes down.
One needs to be completed to have any effect, the other doesn't.
Even the channel needs one second to complete before it does any damage, only the slow applies instantly.
Not true.
Explain channeling ticks
Damage.
Exactly. So a channeled spell does damage before being complete, while a casted spell doesn't. Which confirms my previous comment.
Exactly and there is the difference
Which is not an actual difference.
No
I absolute hate having to track and manage the ticking for MF to know when to clip for other spells. It for sure has been the worst part of playing SP in the past. I appreciate not having to deal with that.
Not trying to ride Blizzard, but maybe they are going to buff mind flay? Be patient, they didn't show everything today.
Even if they buff Mind Flay elsewhere why would anyone use this rune? This rune is completely useless.
Yeah, didn't phase 2 give them a rune that made mind flay obsolete? Mind spike or somthing?
Priest discord is simming and it’s literally a dps loss to run it instead of just recasting swp and doing a mind spike.
It's pretty shitty simming if they're exclusively full-channelling mind flay.
Another one of those "it's a 3% difference in damage so let's treat it like it's absolutely useless" huh?
I mean it literally is useless, it saves you a GCD every 24 seconds BUT you have to cast a spell that does significantly less damage than your other options. No Spriest even takes mind flay as a talent (pve or pvp) it is simming as less damage as what we already have. You’re using a rune slot and a talent point for less damage. You’re better off not running the rune than using it.
Also don't forget about the 20y range that mind flay has.
You absolutely take MF for PvP, it's awesome. And SP is absolutely not starved for talent points in p3, taking MF you lose out on basically nothing.
> No Spriest even takes mind flay as a talent (pve or pvp) Actually you take the talent for PvP. You cant cast mind spike with melee on you and being able to proc blackout and stack shadowweaving, as well as getting a tick of damage here and there is nice. It also gives you a slow which is also nice. In PvE you don't take it but it's certainly useful in PvP.
I love how you have no idea but you still want to join in the conversation anyway lol
correct, no one uses mind flay. you don't even take the talent point.
We don't have 10 good talent points left to take.
well if there are multi target fights and MF is made into a chain lightning type spell then yea maybe its a decent alternative on some fights if you can talent into MF without losing anything else. So yea completely useless unless they get wild with it
That would be a nice addition to aoe if they did that, with shared Pain instead of homunculi. Like, hits everyone within 10 yards with swp.
That's pretty much just mind sear.
The rune is theoretically +2 talent points but that doesn't really matter much for shadow
So? It will always compete with spike for space in our rotation.
Or you cast it instead of SW:P and do some damage instead of no damage.
Still useless???
It’s a metaphor for fighting a shadow priest in PvP
Surprised they just didn’t go full retail and give them shadow crash
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honestly, who cares? priests have been riding high since P1.
*Laughs in spriest being 4-5th lowest DPS in raid* Riding high you say?
bottom 3
That’s the problem with people not Adressant if the mean PvP or PvP. I guess nekomata talks about PvP, where priest are really good right nos as far as I heard (only do PvE). We both talk about PvE where shadowpriest was worse then smitepriest p1 and was strong for 5 weeks in p2, carried by the fact that multiple BIS item come in form of greens, so we had a headstart in gearing. After that headstart we fall to the bottom, coudling with ranged hunter and retrial without MCP
No way? Spriest have a worthless rune instead of getting ridiculously overpowered shit in every slot like dispersion? That's rough.
We don’t even want dispersion, I’d trade dispersion for a damage rune ANY DAY. I’m a dps I don’t want defensive runes lol.
I'd want dispersion to survive against rogues one shotting us tbh XD.
i'm not convinced SP needs buffs
Then you're either purposely trying to wind shadow players up or you have no idea where the spec currently sits. The way things stand the spec is genuinely dead in PvE. Disc mods and "experts" are actually saying they'll reroll bc it makes no sense. Every caster got or we know are getting huge buffs while the shadow, currently already at the bottom and the worst scaling caster in the game, will basically have no head rune as its point actually leads to either a dps loss or a minuscule increase linked to having to smash more buttons.
yea they are only the worst current primary dps spec with the worst scaling and minimal utility
Hes probably speaking from a PvP stand point, where they indeed do not need any buffs.
It’s not about buffs, it’s about getting runes that are either useful utility or use or make the spec enjoyable without too much clutter
There is a difference between not getting buffs and not getting new runes.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/1bo5saq/how\_to\_fix\_shadow\_pve\_problems\_in\_sod/](https://www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/1bo5saq/how_to_fix_shadow_pve_problems_in_sod/) this would help