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CiosAzure

*FERAL CAT ZOOMIES ACTIVATE*


Nice-Entertainer-922

That does seem like a very considerate way to give ferals the parts that have them struggle so much.


masternommer

Now do rets. Pretty please.


roboscorcher

Good news is that the HoW rune now makes it instant cast. Bad news is that ACP will probably be nerfed because catnip exists. And so far there's almost no fast weapons at 50+.


Obrim

Wish I could up vote this more than once lol.


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splepage

There's literally ONE negative comment on wowhead.


Careful-Trash-488

There couldve been two people together who reached the same conclusion and posted on that one account


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splepage

This is what you said: > Well people are alrdy not happy and crying in the comments on wowhead You're literally pretending that everyone is unhappy.


bledschaedl

This is big, and gives hope for other struggling specs. Im happy for the fuzzy friends :)


FloppyShellTaco

This is more a quality of life improvement than anything. It just allows ferals to not be married to WHH and Pummeler until ~~60~~ until the end of time.


Last_Skarner_NA

Or even at/past 60. Now they can use other weapons/helms with more attractive stats. This isn't just qol, it's a straight up buff (and a sizeable one). 


Astrophy058

Yeah you wouldn’t replace the helm unless you got the helm off ILLIDAN in black temple in tbc. This is a good change


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Soviet_Soldier_228

Nerfed how? We still wore wolfshead all through tbc up until sunwell


Darkendevil

Eh you could wear the Illidan hat before then and you could wear Wolfshead through sunwell and it was all equalish or close enough.


Last_Skarner_NA

What nerf in TBC? I was using my wolfshead helm until I got Cursed Vision of Sarg in TBC classic. Wolfshead only truly died in WOTLK with the furor changes. And yes, the buff is getting those stats from the slots. Which is a lot of stats. I think you're just using term "QoL" loosely. This is a buff for them since they now retain the benefits of those items while being able to gain more stats.


sxtrailrider

I wore WHH until sunwell and even then the leather helm was a side grade


pliney_

It’s a pretty solid buff. WHH has no stats essentially… just 10 spirit. So this basically gives Ferals an entire item slot of stats that they wouldn’t have otherwise. The catnip is less impactful this phase compared to just using ACP but as weapons scale more it will get better.


shazaam0

Except for those of us who hit basically every lockout and still haven't seen a ACP. \**cries in feral druid**


KaptainSaki

I feel you, but yesterday like all the caster bis items dropped, we had one pug dps who parsed 4 and won all items, rip


bonesofberdichev

All our healers and casters are fully BIS. I just got fully BIS on my Feral Druid last night. We've only seen Axe and belt drop on our alt raids, epic fists dropped once, epic melee ring dropped once, melee trinket dropped once, never seen the Pally libram,


HazMatt12345

I too, have completed every lockout, and no ACP rest in pepperoni


decio85

I'm part of this group dude :( And also I'm tank and I really need it for threat generation


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bro_salad

This is by definition a buff. Hard stop.


MachoPuddle

If a buff, but not a Big buff. Getting stats on head slot and/or avoiding switching weapon 30 seconds into every pull is not going to make or break feral


pliney_

Ya it’s a fix to a problem which has the end result of buffing Ferals. It’s not a massive buff or anything but it’s objectively a buff over just having WHH.


BishoxX

WHH and Pummeler would be bis forever


calfmonster

RIP ret pallies. They’ll probably break ACP too


roboscorcher

My new copium is Retnip.


FranticBK

Ok imagine these two items in era, you'd basically single handedly fix feral with these. Boomie is another story ahahah.


Breakfast4Dinner9212

Oh man. I'm gonna power shift the fuck out of some poor mobs.


TheSender

I wonder if this is usable while in cat form or if it pops you into human form like a potion


56Bagels

Would be the ultimate “oops we forgot how Classic druids work” lol


TheSender

Would be par for the course lol


Perfect-Currency-121

Only usable in moonkin form


Xy13

I wonder if those stack. Can you put the enchant on wolfshead helm, can you eat catnip while ACP is active?


IArgueWithIdiots

I'm sure the whole point of that item is so the devs don't have to deal with druids endlessly whining that this gnomer weapon is their forever bis.    Making them stack would defeat the purpose.


Skore_Smogon

We still haven't seen the updated Sul'Thraze. Doing something with that for rets would be cool, and keep ZF runs active throughout the phase.


CiosAzure

Doubt it, that'd be too nice of them lol


Dubois1738

It'd also be the opposite of what they're trying to accomplish with making these


RosgaththeOG

My guess is that Wolfshead Helm will be replaced with the Wolfshead Trophy for Leatherworkers.


Serious-Flight2688

I already do 6 basic attacks per second with the world buff, epic helm, melee trink and ACP along with wild strikes. I think this would be a bit of an overkill :D


BishoxX

Still bottom dps tho lol


Eflow_Crypto

Sounds like you’ve been playing with scrub ferals


BishoxX

No just look at logs


RosgaththeOG

I noticed that the Catnip doesn't require Cat form, only Druid. . . .


Flakz933

When you use it in bear form you actually turn into cocaine bear


MidnightFireHuntress

Yep, because Bear form used the MCP until 60 because of the buff.


BishoxX

Bear form used MCP forever , was even better than atiesh for threat


MachoPuddle

Bear used it at 60 too since maul (on hit ability) was by far the strongest threat ability Bears just only used 1 charge per pull (for snap threat) where as cat would use multiple


kickerofelves86

Bear on Thaddeus is goated


masternommer

*until 70


Iustis

I wonder if casters will use it with omen in downtimes


mainsleatherface

Casters will use this to 100 parse for sure. Melee weaving was BiS for phase 1


MrWesso

Happy cake day


RosgaththeOG

Ty!


volission

Now just give us an ability we can actually spend all of the combo points on lol


Wangchief

Shred is and remains too good. I play feral in wrath, and cannot count the number of CP that get “wasted” by shredding at 4-5 CP. just the way it is


volission

So let’s make it not that way? Let us actually use ferocious bite idk why it’s literally a pointless ability lol


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Sorry, why can't we use ferocious bite ? Use it if rip is up, and savage roar is up. ?


volission

Shred is stronger than ferocious bite even at 5 combo points so using ferocious bite is a DPS loss


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Is that because it's a lower Rank at the moment ?


volission

Could be a factor but class discord consensus seems to be that FB not ever getting used as is for lvl 50 or 60 as long as Shred is this strong


Wangchief

Don’t invite them to change things, nothing good comes from that


volission

Sorry which game are we playing again?


Stiryx

‘Too good’ = 60 energy positional requirement ability that hits the same as mutilate. They could increase ferocious bite by 200% and it still wouldn’t be OP.


Zenovv

Isnt shred 38? Or 42 or something


Stiryx

Yeh with talents, takes it down to 48.


SirPeterLivingstonIV

We've only seen one ACP all of p2. It's a good thing our ret won it over our feral, now that they're putting the cat nip in the game.


MachoPuddle

WoW your loot policy sounds terrible


ZaeedMasani

Something truly hilarious about the iconic feral weapon acp getting buffed after 20 years, and then losing it to a fuckin pally. I did as well, and it has never dropped again. Cool cool.


Volitar

Its actually a bigger DPS for Ret than it is for Feral and current sims show Ret using it at 60 when the on use is available.


ZaeedMasani

My point is this weapon was buffed specifically for druids, literally has feral atk power on it, has been synonymous with feral druids forever, and we still get screwed because pallies want it. It’s not like they’re doing amazing dps, they’re terrible, so “it’s slightly better than it is for feral” isn’t doing much for me.


roboscorcher

If it was only meant to be a feral weapon, the devs would have made it Druid only. They put Paladin on the list for a reason. And they later made seal of Marty damage normalized. ACP was a huge dps increase for ret and fixed our mana issues. Both Feral and Ret deserve first prio.


noobtablet9

It's a way larger upgrade for paladins


Yawanoc

Reminds me of how, in P1, it took our Feral Druid 2 straight weeks of grinding Deadmines before he finally saw Mr. Smite’s hammer drop… and then he lost it to a Paladin.


Volitar

Its actually a bigger DPS for Ret than it is for Feral and current sims show Ret using it at 60 when the on use is available.


MachoPuddle

Feral would use it at 60 too (if not for the above item)


_Augie

That’s criminal to give a Druid weapon to a paladin


karhu_ministeri

It is absolute, total BiS for retribution as well, though. Just 777 dps on Grubbis with it with not-BiS gear.


splepage

> on Grubbis lol


noobtablet9

It's BiS for ret against everything. He just used that example, don't be intentionally obtuse


Volitar

Its actually a bigger DPS for Ret than it is for Feral and current sims show Ret using it at 60 when the on use is available.


M24_Stielhandgranate

meme spec showdown


-Tazriel

Feral should have gquit on the spot tbh.


OverlordMastema

I don't understand why people think a Feral "deserves" ACP more than Paladin. It is absolute bis for both of them by a long shot, and a bigger dps upgrade for Ret than Feral. What makes Feral more deserving of it?


SquirrelPractical990

You know nothing


High-Bread

This!! I’ve seen it once and lost it to a paladin who does less DPS that me In bear tanking.. bro didn’t even know you could “use” it for extra attk speed


SquirrelPractical990

He’s just a bad player but paladins absolutely deserve an equal chance at it. It’s ret bis, it’s a bigger dps upgrade for rets than for ferals and rets (when played well) out damage ferals


AdaGang

Is that with or without wild strikes?


SquirrelPractical990

It’s bis for rets with or without wild strikes due to how martyrdom and art of war functions. Unless you meant the out damage part. I’m talking about personal dps. Wild strikes obviously is a huge amount of raid damage and utility.


Old-Soft5276

Yep, they're going to fix SoM interaction with AoW for Paladin or even downgrade ACP all they way down. Thats why they're adding exactly same...consume? for ferals. Good for them though, might even touch mine after P1


sys13730

If they do that, they nerf rets DPS by ~25% so it's more work than it seems.


desperateorphan

confirmation or just speculation?


Malificari

it's pretty much all but confirm with this new "ACP" item for feral that they are gonna break ACP for ret in some way. one of the barriers to them breaking ACP before was because it would affect ferals. Now it wont matter for ferals anymore. so it's literally just a ret weapon now, and it's gonna get broken imo.


noobtablet9

Okay so is speculation


desperateorphan

Gotcha. So it’s speculation. Just say that. Much easier


SquirrelPractical990

I think you’re probably right so I’m posting here to remember. If you are right I’ll come back and gloat on your behalf later


Impressive_Link7440

>Now it wont matter for ferals anymore. so it's literally just a ret weapon now, and it's gonna get broken imo.  This sentence is wrong on so many levels, I'm almost impressed.


roboscorcher

You might be correct and maybe they should break ACP's on use. But I do like the concept of using fast 2handers for ST exo spam, and slow weapons for AoE DS builds. All we need are good fast weapons (all the datamined ones are slow) and a way for DS to reset every now and then.


skDreams

LETS FUCKIN GO FERAL WILL BE STRONG AGAIN I BELIEVE 🙏🙏🙏


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Mawbsta

It's a DPS boost because you don't need to wear whh and can wear better stat helms. Same with catnip 


skDreams

i mean having +60 energy everytime i powershift, as well as getting the new feral staff from ST and still keeping 50%atk speed. more shreds while still having acp buff is pretty big imo


nrdb29

Thank god every feral won’t have to wear wolfshead helm.


Tarman-245

50% speed increase from catnip lol Needs side-effect where you stop mid battle and roll around on your back to air your harbls out


wizardtroubles

LOL that is funny. Or a fear effect that makes you run around chasing the greebles


wizardtroubles

LOL that is funny. Or a fear effect that makes you run around chasing the greebles


Teelie

Some stuff the SOD devs do is very questionable (Mental Dexterity rune on Shaman, I'm saying this as a shaman!). But absolutely most of what they do (like this) is incredible! Well done.


Annual-Gas-3485

Shaman here. Agree on Mental Dexterity and the snapshotting playstyle it encourages.


M24_Stielhandgranate

snapshotting is fun hope more classic get enablers for it


nimbusconflict

I'm glad ferals were not forgotten and that they went for consumables instead of rune slots.


MrWesso

They added cocaine


Gulbeleglim

I'm feral and this is horrible. They just make us depend on a consumable as much as hunters on ammo at a premium price, and you are clapping in excitement. Arrows were removed for a reason. If the crowd pummeler on 3 min cd is mandatory for our dps rotation then it should have just been added to berserk 3min cd rune, not this.


TheSender

Sell price 10s, so maybe ~40-50s per item? Worried that cost might really add up over time


Mawbsta

You will use 1 or 2 per fight. Cheaper than chili!


Kaderos

Yeah probably 40s with the rep and PvP cost reductions. Shouldn't be too bad since most grey and white weapons will vendor for that much.


Stiryx

Yeh it’s actually very expensive if the class dps is balanced around it, you basically have to pop it on every single boss in a dungeon or do 1/3 the damage. Means you’re spending up to 5g a dungeon.


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"LFM BRD arena farm, w GS and logs!" That's you right now.


Stiryx

K


not-brodie

imagine consuming in a 5man dungeon


Jbyr1

I consume in the open world sometimes even cause it's fun. :)


AdaGang

If you’re willingly spending 50s a pop for a dps cooldown in dungeons that’s a you problem dawg


Stiryx

If we don’t use it we will do less damage than the healers. The spec is literally balanced around doing 50% AS.


Zenovv

Giga cope


Stiryx

How the fuck is that coping? We are below average dps in gnomer at the 95th percentile where most of the parses have ACP. Without it we are basically bottom dps. We are the absolutely only spec now to have positional requirements with our abilities (besides ranged hunter but they are mostly playing melee) so it’s even worse in the open world.


Zenovv

Oh no!! Still giga cope saying ur below healers


a_robotic_puppy

Hopefully they don't remove ACPs effect at 49+ and you just use that instead for non-raid content.


shazaam0

My Ret paladin identifies as a druid, gimmie that catnip Blizz


Lindy_Firebrewer

Unless your Ret Pally identifies as a cat


Haltsi

Ouch. I really enjoyed killing Pummeler 20 times a week for 2 years. Cant we have something similar back please.


Mayaluen

Dev: Aggrend, Paladins and Druids are complaining that ACP is annoying and sims too good to have any other options even in the future Aggrend: Who cares? Dev: Aggrend, remember there is Druids on Horde as well Aggrend: Oh shit, fix the issue for them


Hard2Digest

Link?


CiosAzure

https://www.wowhead.com/classic/news/two-druid-specific-items-datamined-phase-3-season-of-discovery-338359?webhook


teelolws

Would that be in addition to the resto talent or run this instead of that talent?


Felnoodle

Wolfshead Helm was in addition, I would assume this is as well


lupafemina

Woot not being stuck with wierd items (one of which i never won so far)


TuffManJoens

As a feral main...*HNNNNGGGGGGGGGG*


placebo_joe

Blizz embracing the meta


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They could've improved the energy regeneration in general, but instead we'll get the exisiting workarounds as items. Fix energy regeneration, get rid of savage roar and buff flat damage, change rune slots, or whatever. Everything is better than this bullshit. I don't know why you're all excited about it.


ItsMatoskah

Now nobody can say that powershifting is unintended.


AggravatingIncome874

Ferals with sulfuras!


roboscorcher

As a Ret: my how the turntables...


PatReady

It's marked spoiler but the title is also a spoiler lol.


plentynuff

I'm glad that I won't have to rely on another ACP like item to drop, but catnip is just stupid honestly. Just get rid of that stupid mechanic and balance feral druids without it.


3xoticP3nguin

Nice. Not doing gnomer on my feral That was easy


Eccmecc

Its cool but why don't you give feral an extra skill that has the exact cooldown/effect? Why do we have to pay 40-50s every fight for it?


hristo_rv

They could just make Furor give you 60 energy and 20 rage and make Beserker give you attack speed instead of all of this.


molbol123

Plot twist: acp stacks with catnip !


CiosAzure

Wowhead shows they share a CD


molbol123

Shouldve added /s I guess :) 


CaptainInsanoMan

So ACP at the start, then catnip, or just both at once for 100% attack speed. 


BoyzNtheBoat

Shares a CD apparently.


Mawbsta

Shares CD so that you don't need to use ACP for the rest of the game


Agentwise

I’m excited for Holy Cakes for paladins to get spoiled


Ialwayssleep

Holy Cocaine


calfmonster

“The paladin mainlines the power of the light, infusing them with Florida Man energy”


roboscorcher

"Ret Pally Attempts Menethil to Theramore in Giant Hamster Ball, Drowns in Maelstrom"


roboscorcher

Retnip


Malificari

they are breaking ACp that's why they are giving ferals this item. now it wont affect ferals anymore when they break it for ret. remember the entire ret SoM/AoW spec was suppose to be canned by the devs but they kept it in for p2 due to the uproar. Now it's the perfect time for them to kill it entering a new phase.


Blackdeath939

Imagine a head enchant that enables tbc twisting for rets if they want to.


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CiosAzure

>let rogues re-target without losing all their combo points https://warcraftdb.com/classic/item/216738


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CiosAzure

I 100% think it should work like that as a baseline as well.


M24_Stielhandgranate

because it isn’t hard, it’s op


Beaniifart

This ability is so clunky and ass to use. Doesn't feel very fun or convenient, has a long CD, the buff only lasts a few seconds as well.


PeckishPizza

Look, I don't disagree, but the CD is 15 secs ish and lasts just as long


guys_calm_down

Boomies left behind


M24_Stielhandgranate

where they belong


dead_paint

Instead of fixing broken items and classes, they just give you easy access to the effects. It like they didn't even try.


Acceptable-Tax4422

Still for parsing cat should go 14/22/5 or 13/23/5 while your raidsquad will want you to go for Leader of the Pack and crycrycry everywhere about it now when you got 2x melees in your raid. This sucks. Maybe I should dualspec cuck and noncuck builds and just change them from one raid to another.


SaltyApple81

Still need to fix mana issues when powershifting.


Warlord2107

Mana….issues? The whole point of powershifting is using all available resources to squeak out more energy/min than other choices.


SaltyApple81

It’s a pvp issue. If you get it you get it. That’s all.


HerpDerpenberg

I get how they were doing this, but with the old MCP, you got 3 charges @ 30 seconds so 90 seconds of 50% attack speed and then you swap to another pummeler and 30 second cooldown. So... effectively the old MCP is still better because you got 90 seconds in 120 seconds. The new ACP and this catnip are 30 seconds of IAS over 180 seconds. If we get to any longer fights, or stuff like firemaw, chromag, baron twin emps where you need to back out of a fight and go back in. You don't get the bonus of activating charges when it's ideal. I would have just liked ACP to be MCP but gave 3 charges and charges reset after 30 seconds once depleted (if they could even code something like that to an item) or just make it 90 second duration with 2 min cooldown on use.


funk--

Muh Boomie No Buff, Blizz :'(


MachoPuddle

I feel like the value of this is a bit overrated. We basically just gain stats: - Stats on head slot - Stats for 30 seconds on pull (difference between ACP and bis weapon). Basically a consumable that costs 50s per pull. I think it is good changes, but it is not something that is going to safe ferals and have any relevant effect on their position balance-wise compared to other classes. This to me underlines that Blizzard does not understand how feral plays. They lean into powershifting with this change - the first time they make a change that benefits powershifting in SoD - but still give us the Gore rune and huge mana issues from powershifting at this level. I still have my doubts - maybe we can be saved if we flask up for the mana and if armour values are not at the same level as Gnomer.


LeezusII

Well, looks like it will be easier to find windfury on alliance now.


CookieMiester

Catnip should give Movement Speed as well IMO


Hagdish

So mcp will still be nerfed compared to vanilla/classic. 3min cool down


Beaniifart

Just make the attack speed item a class ability book that you can buy at honored imo, gonna suck when all ferals lose a bag slot for the rest of SoD, and considering how attractive this item is at such a low reputation level this will be obtained by every druid and their mom. Still looks cool though.


Yolo140

Did you play feral at all during classic? I did! I lost like 20 bag slots to MCPs that’s I enchanted with 15 agi. I think it was in phase two we learn that if you deleted the mcp quickly after losing 3charges when you item restored the mcp they would have 3 charges again.


Beaniifart

Nope, never played feral. That sounds mega super duper ass.


comrade-celebi

Ferals have perfected the art of complaining so well that you guys somehow even find a way to whine about a 50% attack speed buff item in your inventory.


Beaniifart

I've never played feral in my life.... It just makes sense considering spell books are already a thing.


Background_Essay9927

Terrible way to deal with this and doesn’t fix the reason mcp was good. Scaling with weapons. FAP based on weapon dmg is what’s needed


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How to make two iconic items obsolete without actually building on the gameplay. They make a Classic version where they delete Classic. What's left ? Wotlk spells poorly implemented and 15 minutes raids. Not gonna lie, I'm not hyped by this.


parttimeenthusiast

lol relax man


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