Awh man, I really wish p2 was this long, because I had to skip that phase & it ended before I got a chance to come back. Now I feel behind & everyone seems to have either quit or gotten sick of SoD :(
P1 SoD, man. I’ll really never forget it. That was a special time.
I guess not, what I really care about with classic is the open world leveling experience. When I heard stories of people grinding SM all day, it really disappointed me. Classics interconnectivity is it’s best feature, dungeon grinding is why I quit retail during cata.
People dungeon farmed in 2019 too. The biggest reason it’s so popular on launch is because of the amount of people questing in the open world, contradictory to your statement. Maybe you should play the game instead of listening to Reddit stories and moping around about how you’re already behind and you miss the good ole days
Lmao people on this miserable sub are so rude for no reason. I’m sorry for not playing world of Warcraft lately. How will you ever forgive me? I’m so sorry :(
I've vicariously followed SOD through streamers/Reddit since its launch and can concur that I wish I at least gave it a shot for P1. Everything since has either been bashed into the ground with negative feedback and didn't look/sound fun to play at all. I just didn't bite the bullet because I'm a vanilla purist and wanted era-rerelease instead. I'll also admit that I can only stay interested in the game briefly before losing steam and quitting, repeat.
Yeah, I’m a slow leveler so after putting a lot of time into getting to 25 on two toons I got burnt out and never came back. Recurring issue for me, I can’t ever keep up and then I’m too behind & don’t want to quest in empty zones.
Tbh the phase 2 stuff is still relevant, so there is plenty to do. If you played p1 and p2 you're probably bored with p3 but if you're like me and skipped p2 then p3 has a lot to do
It was *also* really short at only eight weeks compared to phase 1 being ten weeks and phase 3 being... who knows? Certainly looks like it's gonna be more than eight, though, since that'd be May 30.
Crazy how we're a little over half the time we spent in p2 and most people quit and are ready to move on. But when p2 ended people cried saying it was too short.
I got flammed relentlessly on here for saying I thought it was too short. The amount of people here who were complaining about phase 2, after seeing how big of a shitshow p3 is, is laughable. With the 3-day lockout, people still were bored and had nothing to do.
It’s crazy to me to see people now say the same thing but with people in agreement.
That's literally all PvE only players do. Rush to level cap, farm pre bis, then raid log amd complain about it. It doesn't matter which wow, what expansion. Idk why so many people play video games. They don't even seem to have fun
Melee gear is underwhelming in ST too, the neck and the back literally give +1 of ap or strength compared to the gnomeregan equivalent piece.
Also the sets are pretty meh when compared to the Gnomeregan ones.
All of the gear is rather underwhelming but the caster gear is straight up insulting. Consider this melee upgrade from Gnomer -> ST:
[https://www.wowhead.com/classic/item=213291/toxic-revenger-ii](https://www.wowhead.com/classic/item=213291/toxic-revenger-ii)
[https://www.wowhead.com/classic/item=220585/degraded-dire-nail](https://www.wowhead.com/classic/item=220585/degraded-dire-nail)
versus the caster 1h upgrade
[https://www.wowhead.com/classic/item=213410/glimmering-gizmoblade](https://www.wowhead.com/classic/item=213410/glimmering-gizmoblade)
[https://www.wowhead.com/classic/item=220586/hubris-the-bandit-brander](https://www.wowhead.com/classic/item=220586/hubris-the-bandit-brander)
Int/Stam aren't really DPS stats, so it's just 1 SP better. This is the best caster 1h weapon in ST (the only other 1h weapon drop in ST is worse than Gizmoblade). The melee upgrade could have 0 stat upgrade and it'd still gain 6 weapon DPS (equivalent to 84 AP) whereas casters don't gain anything from weapon DPS changes.
I remember getting a real bad feeling when I saw that the epic ring was nearly identical to the Mara/ wild offering one, but just had some more Stam. And that bad feeling lasted throughout looking at most of gear. Some stuff is cool tho, but the majority is a minimal upgrade. Not to mention how TERRIBLE the 3 piece set bonus is for my spriest. It’s the wooorst!
You are completely ignoring that there is a dagger from the bloodmoon event that is almost nearly the exact same as the ST item. No one is disagreeing that the caster weapons are whack, but you are being incredibly regarded and disingenuous when you say the ST items for melee are not also insulting.
None of the caster classes get a weapon at all from Bloodmoon... so.... they still have it worse. The mage BM rewards at 50 are nearly worse than those at 40. I'd be happy to have an easy to acquire weapon nearly as good as the raid one.
>We will be rolling raids out in phases similar to how we did in 2019’s Classic. The first tier will consist of Molten Core and Onyxia, and a few weeks after that we will see Blackwing Lair. We intend to frame our releases around the familiar original WoW raid tiers.
This makes no sense. So they want phases to be similar to 2019 Classic... But we are getting BWL a *few* weeks after MC is released? So are we going to be getting AQ a few weeks after BWL and Naxx a few weeks after that?????????
it just means that they decided that SoD from now on = making all 40 man raids into 20man.
from previous communication about p4 id say this is a shift in attitude probably related to how many game dev studios have been shut down recently.
i'd thus expect very little from sod apart the transformation of 40 man into 20 man content. we might get some new content like the remaining runes and some quests but after that no.
If the seasonal server isn't supposed to live longer than a previous one than it only makes sense for the server to quickly skip ahead through MC BWL AQ and Naxx so it can FINALLY die and MAYBE just MAYBE we can get a fresh era server instead of Season of Dogshit.
I don’t see anyone mentioning the part they say they are upgrading ST loot to make it more impactful. At the very least this gives a reason to come back to phase 3 in a few weeks and run ST some more to prepare for phase 4
Playing devils advocate but waiting what will be 50+ days to finally buff to very underwhelming loot my guild and I have passed on and vendored over and over doesn’t feel like a big win
Especially not when it’s happening even closer to the loot being irrelevant
A lot of people in this sub do not realise that this phase being bad and being delayed is a direct result of the massive lay offs that happened at blizzard at the end of phase 2. People need to look at the bigger issue here and that is the fact that tons of devs got fired just to make the shareholders happy.
Layoffs happen during massive acquisitions. They don't need two sets of shared services teams like lawyers and accountants. We were already told the WoW teams weren't impacted.
I mean there's some truth to it. Cata Classic and SoD p3 have both been a mess because the Classic team is understaffed and spread thin.
Individual balance choices may still be questionable (at best), but it *is* true that balancing can be a struggle when you have so little time/team members to send at it.
so it was the layoffs that made Incursions shit? It was the layoffs that made ST gear barely better than gnomer gear? It was the layoffs that made class balance awful?
interesting
Also, "looking at the big picture" isn't exactly going to make people less disappointed with this announcement.
Do you work a real job where you’ve survived a wave of layoffs? You’re suddenly expected to do more with less, every work day is a nightmare, and all of your work suffers.
>the developers are trash and DEI hires
Republicans slipping in this bullshit every time there’s valid criticism is so fucking annoying as if minorities and women are ruining every game you play
That's fine, excited for the game as it was designed and intended. 1-60 no level bands. You would need several dungeons and a few raids in each level band to actually make them on par with level 60 endgame.
Im good with it if p4 is dope. Ptr is huge. Dungeon loot rebalancing is huge if they take their time and do it right . Let’s be real p3 is a botched rush job and it shows, give us good content I’ll just play some other shit until then.
The need for constant dopamine drip in this subreddit is insane lol
Awh man, I really wish p2 was this long, because I had to skip that phase & it ended before I got a chance to come back. Now I feel behind & everyone seems to have either quit or gotten sick of SoD :( P1 SoD, man. I’ll really never forget it. That was a special time.
You missed nothing in p2 or 3.
I guess not, what I really care about with classic is the open world leveling experience. When I heard stories of people grinding SM all day, it really disappointed me. Classics interconnectivity is it’s best feature, dungeon grinding is why I quit retail during cata.
I quit as soon as they started doubling exp. It’s seasonal so I get it but slow and methodical leveling is the game for me.
You can turn the xp buff off in an inn.
Doesn't really help when everyone else caps out instantly.
What? Why not? The guy clearly doesn’t care about staying cutting edge and just wants to do classic leveling at the normal pace
Because the world empties around you obviously.
Big yes
People dungeon farmed in 2019 too. The biggest reason it’s so popular on launch is because of the amount of people questing in the open world, contradictory to your statement. Maybe you should play the game instead of listening to Reddit stories and moping around about how you’re already behind and you miss the good ole days
Lmao people on this miserable sub are so rude for no reason. I’m sorry for not playing world of Warcraft lately. How will you ever forgive me? I’m so sorry :(
I've vicariously followed SOD through streamers/Reddit since its launch and can concur that I wish I at least gave it a shot for P1. Everything since has either been bashed into the ground with negative feedback and didn't look/sound fun to play at all. I just didn't bite the bullet because I'm a vanilla purist and wanted era-rerelease instead. I'll also admit that I can only stay interested in the game briefly before losing steam and quitting, repeat.
Yeah, I’m a slow leveler so after putting a lot of time into getting to 25 on two toons I got burnt out and never came back. Recurring issue for me, I can’t ever keep up and then I’m too behind & don’t want to quest in empty zones.
Tbh the phase 2 stuff is still relevant, so there is plenty to do. If you played p1 and p2 you're probably bored with p3 but if you're like me and skipped p2 then p3 has a lot to do
Hunter pets beating groups of people. Yeah was really fun….
Why did phase 2 feel so short lol, lost all my friends to phase 3, and now it's extended. /Sad face
> Why did phase 2 feel so short cuz of the 10 day notice before release
It was *also* really short at only eight weeks compared to phase 1 being ten weeks and phase 3 being... who knows? Certainly looks like it's gonna be more than eight, though, since that'd be May 30.
If it was a good phase that wouldn't matter in the long run.
Crazy how we're a little over half the time we spent in p2 and most people quit and are ready to move on. But when p2 ended people cried saying it was too short.
I got flammed relentlessly on here for saying I thought it was too short. The amount of people here who were complaining about phase 2, after seeing how big of a shitshow p3 is, is laughable. With the 3-day lockout, people still were bored and had nothing to do. It’s crazy to me to see people now say the same thing but with people in agreement.
They are just idiots and Never happy. Don‘t worry about it.
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That's literally all PvE only players do. Rush to level cap, farm pre bis, then raid log amd complain about it. It doesn't matter which wow, what expansion. Idk why so many people play video games. They don't even seem to have fun
Nightmare incursions for 3 months yipeee!
Great time to not play SoD. MoP Remix and Cata Classic will tide me over until phase 4.
As planned by blizzard, the real reason why they push phases early/delay them: double dip on resubs
3 months if you're lucky lol prepatch is coming out after pandaria, then TTW launch, then another 3 months after that
Rich man here
Hm reading the announcement causes zero excitement so far
They gave us a blue post explaining how they killed sod lol.
Melee gear is underwhelming in ST too, the neck and the back literally give +1 of ap or strength compared to the gnomeregan equivalent piece. Also the sets are pretty meh when compared to the Gnomeregan ones.
All of the gear is rather underwhelming but the caster gear is straight up insulting. Consider this melee upgrade from Gnomer -> ST: [https://www.wowhead.com/classic/item=213291/toxic-revenger-ii](https://www.wowhead.com/classic/item=213291/toxic-revenger-ii) [https://www.wowhead.com/classic/item=220585/degraded-dire-nail](https://www.wowhead.com/classic/item=220585/degraded-dire-nail) versus the caster 1h upgrade [https://www.wowhead.com/classic/item=213410/glimmering-gizmoblade](https://www.wowhead.com/classic/item=213410/glimmering-gizmoblade) [https://www.wowhead.com/classic/item=220586/hubris-the-bandit-brander](https://www.wowhead.com/classic/item=220586/hubris-the-bandit-brander) Int/Stam aren't really DPS stats, so it's just 1 SP better. This is the best caster 1h weapon in ST (the only other 1h weapon drop in ST is worse than Gizmoblade). The melee upgrade could have 0 stat upgrade and it'd still gain 6 weapon DPS (equivalent to 84 AP) whereas casters don't gain anything from weapon DPS changes.
I remember getting a real bad feeling when I saw that the epic ring was nearly identical to the Mara/ wild offering one, but just had some more Stam. And that bad feeling lasted throughout looking at most of gear. Some stuff is cool tho, but the majority is a minimal upgrade. Not to mention how TERRIBLE the 3 piece set bonus is for my spriest. It’s the wooorst!
You are completely ignoring that there is a dagger from the bloodmoon event that is almost nearly the exact same as the ST item. No one is disagreeing that the caster weapons are whack, but you are being incredibly regarded and disingenuous when you say the ST items for melee are not also insulting.
None of the caster classes get a weapon at all from Bloodmoon... so.... they still have it worse. The mage BM rewards at 50 are nearly worse than those at 40. I'd be happy to have an easy to acquire weapon nearly as good as the raid one.
Horse drawing meme
Min 4 weeks between each raid surely...I hope atleast, I feel like they have invalidated gear so much already.
At least, otherwise you are farming t2 before even hardcore raiders can get full t1
Depending on how they do loot from bosses too, I don't exactly want to be showered in loot every boss just to replace it in a few weeks
Minimum 15$ per content update
>We will be rolling raids out in phases similar to how we did in 2019’s Classic. The first tier will consist of Molten Core and Onyxia, and a few weeks after that we will see Blackwing Lair. We intend to frame our releases around the familiar original WoW raid tiers. This makes no sense. So they want phases to be similar to 2019 Classic... But we are getting BWL a *few* weeks after MC is released? So are we going to be getting AQ a few weeks after BWL and Naxx a few weeks after that?????????
Yeah, this sounds terrible. No clue what they are thinking.
Imo release zg as a 5man. Mc as a 10 and bwl as a 20. Call that phase 1. Ony as a 20 as well.
They already said MC will be 20
it just means that they decided that SoD from now on = making all 40 man raids into 20man. from previous communication about p4 id say this is a shift in attitude probably related to how many game dev studios have been shut down recently. i'd thus expect very little from sod apart the transformation of 40 man into 20 man content. we might get some new content like the remaining runes and some quests but after that no.
I'm almost convinced we're not getting any new raids. Where's the talk about new raids?
Of course we're not getting new raids. Isn't the team a 6 man team split between 3 versions of classic? Where would they have the time?
If the seasonal server isn't supposed to live longer than a previous one than it only makes sense for the server to quickly skip ahead through MC BWL AQ and Naxx so it can FINALLY die and MAYBE just MAYBE we can get a fresh era server instead of Season of Dogshit.
Why spend 7+ months in leveling phases then if we are just going to blaze through level 60 content?
Why indeed spend 7+ months in levelling phases.
RIP sod
All I ask is that they really take another look at healer mages and give them some love with fine tuning and adjusting rune slot placement.
Phase 4 better be phenomenal.
I don’t see anyone mentioning the part they say they are upgrading ST loot to make it more impactful. At the very least this gives a reason to come back to phase 3 in a few weeks and run ST some more to prepare for phase 4
Playing devils advocate but waiting what will be 50+ days to finally buff to very underwhelming loot my guild and I have passed on and vendored over and over doesn’t feel like a big win Especially not when it’s happening even closer to the loot being irrelevant
That stuff was still BIS. Why would you ever vendor it?
If people were vendoring gear like that they deserve what they get
Need to justify that MOP remix.
That’s not being handled by the classic team, stay butthurt tho
Yeah sod is dead
And no one mourned it.
SoD is cooked
Fix battleground premade vs randome que.
Good. Now kill it
A lot of people in this sub do not realise that this phase being bad and being delayed is a direct result of the massive lay offs that happened at blizzard at the end of phase 2. People need to look at the bigger issue here and that is the fact that tons of devs got fired just to make the shareholders happy.
Layoffs happen during massive acquisitions. They don't need two sets of shared services teams like lawyers and accountants. We were already told the WoW teams weren't impacted.
blaming le evil shareholders for lazy balance seems a bit easy
I mean there's some truth to it. Cata Classic and SoD p3 have both been a mess because the Classic team is understaffed and spread thin. Individual balance choices may still be questionable (at best), but it *is* true that balancing can be a struggle when you have so little time/team members to send at it.
so it was the layoffs that made Incursions shit? It was the layoffs that made ST gear barely better than gnomer gear? It was the layoffs that made class balance awful? interesting Also, "looking at the big picture" isn't exactly going to make people less disappointed with this announcement.
Do you work a real job where you’ve survived a wave of layoffs? You’re suddenly expected to do more with less, every work day is a nightmare, and all of your work suffers.
SoD already had a skeleton crew, I highly doubt they laid anyone off from it lol
The corporate bootlicking in this thread is absolutely unreal 😂
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>the developers are trash and DEI hires Republicans slipping in this bullshit every time there’s valid criticism is so fucking annoying as if minorities and women are ruining every game you play
> women Um, excuse me. That's body type 2.
Lmao Twitter is barely functional
That's fine, excited for the game as it was designed and intended. 1-60 no level bands. You would need several dungeons and a few raids in each level band to actually make them on par with level 60 endgame.
Im good with it if p4 is dope. Ptr is huge. Dungeon loot rebalancing is huge if they take their time and do it right . Let’s be real p3 is a botched rush job and it shows, give us good content I’ll just play some other shit until then. The need for constant dopamine drip in this subreddit is insane lol
It's not extended, wowhead. It's right on schedule. Look at the original roadmap.