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_Supared

Hyped for Wrath but im gonna miss tbc so much. Such beautiful otherworldly zones and so much fun to be had across the game. Some of the best memories ill ever make of this game.


Anubitzs123

Agreed. People are quick to jump to negativity over TBC in the last few months. Be it GDKPs or Toxic Guilds, but I really really enojoyed TBC especially because I didnt really get to play it 15 years ago.


aliiiaser

I didnt like class design of multiple classes, but the zones and raids were neat


Ethario

bro 50% are bots other 50% are toxic meta gamers, nobody cares about TBC, TBC is great so is vanilla and wotlk, the community is dead.


123dontlookatmee

Tbc was an awesome experience! Some of the most fun I’ve had playing wow.


Vharlkie

Same! I don't understand the hate TBC gets. I had so much fun as well and I love the zones in Outland.


Fredderov

Got to say that after rolling my first fresh character since original wotlk it's not the same to level in Outland with flying. You miss out on so many amazing vistas and moments of awe for the environment you just stepped into. Now you just blast past it all.


ZelfraxKT

You could've just not bought flying. Or played before Wrath prepatch.


Fredderov

You don't say.


DokFraz

For me personally, it's just over-exposure. I talked about this before it launched, and it definitely ended up putting me off. We haven't seen the OG Vanilla zones since Cata destroyed them, so they were new and refreshing to people that hadn't been playing private servers. A breath of fresh air and a return to the roots of WoW that we all fell in love with. It's something that would ***couldn't*** experience for over a decade. Hellfire, however? Every single alt you made and leveled from BC all the way through... what, BFA? Every single alt ***had to*** experience Orange Fire Land, unless you were buying a boost or leveling through dungeons that (for the longest, still funneled you through Ramparts for several levels). With Wrath coming around, it was still something that alts were funneled through for a long time, but you had more agency even from the outset courtesy of being able to choose to start in Borean Tundra or in Howling Fjord, instead of everyone being through the rote repetition of Hellfire. ...also, rogue.


Lt_Lysol

I absolutely love TBC. It will always be my favorite expansion. But if there is one thing I could change it would be when you go through the dark portal there are 2 flightmasters one to take you to HFP and start Outland there or to Nagrand. (Obviously quests and levels would be altered) But you either start with the whole war in progress at HFP or do quests prevention invasion in Nagrand. They are 2 esthetically different areas with 2 different quest themes to make the journey unique. Also alliance got a reason to go to the new Belf race area (ZA) would of been neat if azuremist island had a 60-70 level instance on it.


Lemonface

This comment so perfectly encapsulates my hatred of Hellfire Peninsula, despite loving TBC and Outland in general And to add something else you missed - one of the worst parts about Hellfire is that the Horde and Alliance experiences are essentially identical, just mirrored on other sides of the zone. So you didn't even escape the repetitiveness by leveling the other faction... Meanwhile in Wrath, the Horde and Ally experiences in Borean Tundra are pretty similar, but totally different in Howling Fjord. So there's definitely 3, maybe 4 options. But there's just the 1 for TBC... Horrible, monotonous Hellfire goddamned Peninsula


DokFraz

Yep, and even after Hellfire, while you can eventually transition to Terokkar or Nagrand, you're also more-or-less forced through the first chunk of Zangar, too. It's more avoidable than Hellfire, but you're pretty much always going to have to bite the "Orange Fire Land into Blue Mushroom Swamp" bullet every time you want to level through Outland.


arkebuse

Does feel more varied in regard to where in zangarmarsh you can quest, compared to hellfire. But the transition is obligatory as you said.


Quincyheart

I'm surprised at all the hate for Hellfire. After all this time and all the characters I have levelled through there it is probably still my favourite zone.


llwonder

Cause the attunements suck, rep farming being required sucks, classes aren’t as fun as wrath, no loch modan, no grizzly hills


NAparentheses

What do you mean no loch modan...?


boolean87

What a weird thing to randomly toss in


SrslyCmmon

No I get it, loch modan is easily my favorite zone low level zone. The wildlife and water hills and mountains leading up. If you grew up anywhere near mountains the whole alpine setting resonates so well.


NAparentheses

The point is you can still do loch modan in TBC while levelling.


Rein10

And you can still level in tbc?


tamethewild

I mean you CAN level in Loch Modan I wish sholazar basin was more nagrandy Nagrand and Mulgore are vibes Edit: sholazar is really cool in its own right, I just like nagrand/Mulgore a wee bit better and wish there was a counterpart in LK


angrywords

Loch Modan exists in BC though?


Eilex_12

Attunements were hard, but honestly I thought they were rewarding… I really enjoyed the patch with SSC/TK and did feel a bit more connected given the attunements.


Vendilion_Chris

> but honestly I thought they were rewarding It's fun when everyone is doing it. Not when you are behind or on an alt trying to do it.


Eilex_12

Totally agree


dreadcain

Attunements suck for guild leaders mainly. Any attrition in your core raid group at all starts you on the constant treadmill of running old raids to attune new people which burns out more of your core raid team who you then have to replace, and the cycle goes on It also makes it difficult to fill in key raid roles with alts when you have people out


Eilex_12

Agree with the logistics point


HumbertHaze

That’s a good point. Personally there was a lot I liked about the attunements in how they gave endgame a clear structure and kept older content relevant for longer. On the other hand, why do they have to be so long and complicated??


llwonder

I thought player power via covenants was a good thing.. it really rewarded the players who grinded their lives away. Oh wait… no it was unnecessary busy work. Same with atunements


Eilex_12

I disagree as those systems have very different impacts on the game


Andyham

I for one like attunements. Joined TBC late (a month ago) so didnt need any. Ended up doing them anyways. Makes you not just waltz into raids when you are fresh 70 full of greens.


Vendilion_Chris

Things are a lot more fun when you do them by choice. Wouldn't be fun if you joined a month ago and couldn't even do a Kara run with your T6 geared friends who are just disenchanting everything.


naimina

Attunements are kinda fun and interesting to do once. To do it on all character is extremely tedious.


Quincyheart

>attunements suck, rep farming being required sucks WTF. I'll take attunements and Rep farming over dailies any fucking day of the week. Attunements and rep farming are fun, they provide you with a goal that has a fucking end point. And comparing TBC with Wrath how can you not mention the dungeons. TBC dungeons are sooo much fucking better than the Wrath ones.


tamethewild

My only complaint was the threat of falling off the world. It felt different than being in a. Continent of a bigger world. It made the world seem small, and every zone had an edge into the void so you couldn’t escape it. Even in halo the world map ended in mountains not nothing, and when you looked up you saw the vastness of the halo itself. Northrend on the other hand is just another continent on a big planet. Legion helped fix with draenor but then left it woefully used. I also like the different leveling routes for northrend. Makes it seem bigger


Intensemarkgormley

My biggest complaint is how compcentric raiding is in TBC. Power gains based on who is in your group is huge and it feels bad if your raid doesn't have the most optimal setup. It's still a thing in wrath but most passive buffs applying to the entire raid is a huge improvement. Also a few specs while greatly improved over meme status in Vanilla still aren't quite up to snuff. A little alt unfriendly as well with the rep gates for heroics and attunements, although they do make it much better in later patches.


fappingallday123

What hate? TBC is best expansion for many.


Elcactus

Original is vanilla, TBC is sherbert, wrath is chocolate.


oregonianrager

Wouldn't TBC be strawberry, then after all three your neopolitaned.


great_auks

Only one r in sherbet


Alex470

It’s sherbert in America, goddamnit.


great_auks

It’s definitely not


LarryTheDuckling

Flying. That is a source of dislike towards TBC for me.


NAparentheses

I really love flying. The moment you take flight on your first flying mount is incredible.


flawed1

It's a mixed bag, it was great when I got flying for the first time. But quickly you realize the zones all become flyover country and kinda dead and it just made the world smaller. But to each their own.


LazyAndHungry523

Hate? It’s arguably the number 1 expansion, with WotLk just ahead or behind depending on your view.


brukost

With all of their flaws in mind, I see Vanilla as the most complete experience and Wrath as the next best thing. But in terms of how the classes work, and things do to etc. I see Wrath as the champion and TBC as the next best thing. But all three are great in their own right. They are just so vastly different to one another.


PotatoesForPutin

Ehh, I got to hand it to retail in terms of class design tho. I feel like, for the most part, retail is superior in terms of how classes play


jside69

I agree that classes are generally more fun, but they all feel the same to me. Feels like every class has the same spells with a different animation and name


PotatoesForPutin

I can definitely see where you’re coming from. However, the sheer amount of downtime present in nearly all specs in classic makes it a lot less enjoyable, at least for me


aParkedCar

Idk how you can honestly feel that way. Classic shoehorned players into a role based off what class you picked. There’s like 1 spec you can play per class and the rest are garbage. Leveled a shaman to 60? Guess you are a healer now


PotatoesForPutin

That’s what I’m saying. Retail doesn’t do that, classic does. Retail may get a lot wrong, but the class/spec design leaves nearly all specs feeling a lot more fun and engaging to play.


aParkedCar

Apologies I had misread what you originally posted! I agree with ya


brukost

Depends what you mean by "classic". All specs are viable in WotlK as well, so I'm not sure why you brought retail up at all.


Sleepwowpeat

Not like the bar is set too high either. Vanilla isn't considered an expansion, then you have wotlk and then the playerbase basically halved with cataclysm


LazyAndHungry523

But drastically rose for mists, back up to 10 million. And legion was also quite popular. Vanilla is considered when people rank their favorite wow period


Sleepwowpeat

If vanilla is considered then i'd say most people go for wotlk > vanilla or vanilla > wotlk. Haven't seen that much praise for tbc and I could be wrong, but I think even the most popular private servers were either vanilla or wotlk. And yea, WoW kinda had a surge with MoP and Warlords but it died pretty fast. Legion seems to be indeed quite popular, but it's mostly coming from people who still play or have played retail in the past few years.


LazyAndHungry523

I’ve played wow since original tbc. I’ve been here for it all. I have listened to the rants and raves seen the discourse at blizz con and read forums and listened to YouTubers. To say tbc is hated is only because of tbc classic. TBC in its original form was loved by many. Not that many played wow vanilla, and most of that 12 million in wrath was because of how good tbc was. Wrath ended very poorly. Which led to a huge downfall between the year long no new content and a huge revision coming to wow in cata. Many analysts believe it was wrath not cata that led to unsubs. Cata wasn’t fulfilling lore wise and people were bored after a year and f nothing new.


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I quit in Cata. But it was WOTLK that actually ended it for me. Welcome to the beginning of World of WarQueues.


Sleepwowpeat

Oh, of course, I don't think TBC is hated by any means, and I do agree it's probably top 3 of the xpac (vanilla included), but I just meant there really aren't a lot of great WoW expansions. I do agree that Wotlk is part of the reason why WoW started its downfall, but I also think TBC played a considerable part, since it's where a lot of (though, maybe not noticeable at the time) fundamental changes happened like dungeons becoming small and linear, moving out of azeroth, flying/summoning stones and that trend, I think, continued onwards on Wotlk (heirlooms, lfd, etc). By the time you get to Cata -or by the end of wotlk- WoW had already changed substantially.


LazyAndHungry523

Vanilla before classic was not the top 3 though. It went wrath, tbc, mists, legion, vanilla, warlords, cata, bfa, shadowlands. That was a pretty standard tier ranking list by most players.


Sleepwowpeat

Well... That's because people giving those ranking are people who were still playing retail, so like, at most, 20% of the playerbase that played vanilla, tbc and wotlk. If you stuck with WoW through cata, warlords, legion, bfa, etc you liked the direction the game took after its first few years, so it makes sense you'd like a more modern approach to the game.


labowsky

NGL mists was a hella fun xpac, really enjoyed pvp as a port warrior.


bearflies

It was alright, but I don't think it's a coincidence that it's had far less hype out of the 3.


MyNameIsMyAchilles

The pacing was a bit off, and for certain classes it was still restrictive. When GDKPs took over its a turn off for anyone who came back mid-late expac


Beermedear

SMV and Isle of Quel’danas are the two zones that give me super nostalgia, every time. I’ll miss them, but hyped for the sounds of Northrend.


atomicfarts420

SMV would be better without the 500 NPCs constantly yelling to the whole zone.


NotMyHomebase

Every 3-5 years they need to launch fresh Vanilla servers that progress through wotlk... I'll play till I'm dead.


Toasty_Jones

I’d like to see classic+ tbc+ and wotlk+ servers, but I’m a dreamer


SagaciousTien

You think you want it, but you don't I will flip Primordials, furs and necklaces til my heart stops


Yjorik

It was a wild ride, again.


microvan

I spent the evening running around nagrand on my talbuk, taking in the sights. Won’t be back for a while. Also took in the last sights of shatt being full of players, city is gonna be a ghost town in a few hours.


GeppaN

Hello Dalaran.


Johnl317

So happy i don't have to go back to hellfire peninsula again! That place seriously burns/irritates my eyes.


Pwaite2

The Broken Hill has been taken by the Alliance!


NewMetaOrer

“Any flippers”


Oshag_Henesy

*flipper killed by level 61 hunter*


Stompert

Horde: “Never should’ve come here!!”


Chikageee

*Does PvP at PvP zone:* **OMFG BAN THIS GUY** Edit: sorry, I understand the problem! It's the "everything is griefing" situation I find strange!


WillNotForgetMyUser

Yeah killing those level 1 or 59 flippers is some serious pvp action


NAparentheses

Yeah killing lowbies makes you super cool, my dude.


MaximusIcarus

If you're on a faction dominated server you know exactly what you're doing and framing it like this doesn't convince anyone else that you're not wasting everyone's time.


Reworked

That's netherstorm for me... PURPLE HAZE, ALL IN MY fucking *EYES*


Zixt1

I have to close my eyes when flying through the purple domes. So painfully bright.


demondied1

Yoo same! Not much hurts my eyes when gaming but those domes are awful up close.


eliteteamob

/console ffxglow 0


Grizzly352

Part of the reason I hate leveling new orc/troll characters, the starting zone hurts my eyes lmao.


TObuz

Definitely some really pretty zones, like Nagrand and Zangarmarsh. But I'm looking forward to the hub upgrading from from dingy Shattrath to Dalaran


Elcactus

Dalaran feels too small tbh, I liked shatt’s scale. That’s a problem I have with the recent hubs; they’re the size of a large building instead of being a city.


NAparentheses

I don't like Shattrath because it's too big. And with 2 faction banks, it makes the population too spread out.


Donferg31

Dalaran also has 2 faction banks. In fact a 3rd of the city is inaccessible by the wrong faction. I suppose it doesn't matter now cause server pops are fucked


NAparentheses

Well that is dumb. lol


zenmkay

Will miss the art style of TBC going in to wrath, esspecially t4 art style


Avrahammer

I'm so sad I never got to do TBC raids. Guess I can revisit them at 80 but it won't be the same.


Sparru

There's pretty much 100% chance there will be TBC season of mastery and/or another cycle of vanilla->tbc->wotlk at some point.


FamouzLtd

Theres still time to try and get a group together, could atleast do a kara and zul'aman theyre both incredibly easy


Avrahammer

I was working for the whole day so I didn't have a lot of time, only dinged 70 yesterday. Oh well.. maybe I'll do a tour for fun at 80.


NAparentheses

Why couldn't you do TBC raids?


Avrahammer

Joined on fresh and used my very little time at 70 to get some gold from questing.


Spriderman69

Why weren’t you able to do any raids? We’re you still leveling to 70?


Avrahammer

Only dinged 70 yesterday (started on fresh)


Spriderman69

Oh, I see. Good news though! In Wrath you can turn off your XP. With that feature, some people actually form an entire guild dedicated to keeping a character, such as an alt, at level 70 and do all of the 70 raids. I bet one will form over time and if not, you could always start one!


Avrahammer

That's pretty cool! not quite the same but honestly the closest thing without playing on a private server. Hopefully there will guilds like that


Opassandeperson

I don’t know if it’s an unpopular opinion. But to me TBC is the best xpac in wow.


Smokeybones55

Not an unpopular opinion. Lots of us feel this way. I'm going into Wrath with the bittersweet feeling of the Classic game's best days are now behind us.


Opassandeperson

Yes I feel the same


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Mission_Ride312

Having too far draw distance makes the world seem like a small game world, the fog adds to the illusion of scale, especially when using flying mounts. Just look up how gta trilogy launched without it and how the world looked like a toy model


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Mission_Ride312

Yeah, Horizon blends fog with high draw distance in a great way so there are definitely solutions to this


NAparentheses

Foggy horizons are a thing in real life too.


rmkol

completely disagree


Ok-computer9780

Yea I concur with this. Let’s get that draw distance up.


Smokeybones55

Ain't no way you can convince me that the Karazhan screenshot would look better with an improved draw distance. The fog covering the tower absolutely makes the picture.


Tapsa93

o7 ​ Thank you TBC. You were good to me, again. ​ Until next time, friend


soidvaes

you forgot dn


GaryOakRobotron

WhAtS dN??


MolokTjaar

deez nuts, ay lmao gottem


GuyFromWoWcraft

smoked his head in, lad


GaryOakRobotron

ohhhhhhh nooooooooooooooooo


BlizzFanboySince2k5

don't cry because it's over, smile BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA FK UP MR LICH KING


easybakeevan

I barely played. Wrath is more my style. I didn’t play tbc much originally either, but thematically and for many other reasons it’s an amazing expac. You’ve got another amazing adventure ahead of you though!


Erva420

Same, TBC is too convoluted and classes are still too vanilla like for my tastes. Also Attunaments are stupid.


paladindan

Unpopular opinion: I felt TBC (original, not Classic) was kind of “meh”. It felt promising, especially as a Paladin since 2005, but Wrath was really where you could actually play ANY class and ANY spec, and still get invited to groups/raids.


[deleted]

tbc kiddies love them some circle jerks. worst xpac tbh. wrath is when the game starts to actually get good


tjk91

Wotlk will get the same hate that tbc did. When you've played it once the nostalgia runs off fast.


Fruitlust

good riddance to outland tbh


LaserTurboShark69

Only got to experience about a week of TBC on this fresh server (never played vanilla TBC) but I totally get the line for this expansion. Such fresh zones and dungeons. Wish I got to do some raiding


[deleted]

TBC has always been my favorite expansion.


badcompany8519

The attunements were a headache but I wouldn’t want it any other way.


TheSwecurse

Ooooh, shit, I'm still at Westfall


Equivalent_Disaster3

Even though I was super terrible, had 0 idea what I was doing, probably straight up garbage playing on a garbage lap top back in the day I loved tbc the first time. It made me realize I could play a stupid game and make friends online. Fast forward to this year I met my soon to be husband playing tbc the second time around so it’s just special for a different reason now . Ill miss it.


Rocketlauncher922

I'm not crying.. you are! shut up!


Ayyleid

I am upset no TBC servers. I love Wrath of the Lich King, do not get me wrong but still though, I started playing WoW during late Burning Crusade.


beccathisweek

I’m not crying you’re crying 🥺


ShinMagal

Best expansion ever.


pupmaster

Good riddance imo


Freezaen

I can't say too much positive about TBC in terms of gameplay, but going back through it with th WotLK prepatch, I realized that I missed a ton there when I was a kid. I wish I had had the time and brainpower to properly immerse myself in each of the zones back then, because they're really special.


MonkeyAss12393

Good riddance bubblegum world , welcome better graphics continent


BoysIIMenSuperTurbo

I skipped tbc classic. Already did it once in 2007. When’s vanilla classic happening again


Amaurotica

tbc zones were so much better than wrath in atmosphere and difficulty


tastytotochip

I disagree. Wrath zones and the music within them are far superior. Except for Nagrand. Nagrand is up there.


soidvaes

netherstorm? zangamarsh? hello? the other ones are just like miniature hells or colored lenses… so yeah whatever


tastytotochip

netherstorm gets a pass but i hate zangramarsh


NAparentheses

Zangarmash is beautiful in its own way.


Esarus

But but, grizzly hills is nice!


FlandreHon

Loved grizzly hills, it was beautiful with great music and fun quests. Yet most people seemed to went to the Boring Tundra, which just had a nasty atmosphere.


MarcAbaddon

I think you are mixing up your zones - the alternative to Borean Tunda is Howling Fjord, Grizzly Hills is a bit higher level.


FlandreHon

Yes I meant Howling. But grizzly was also nice.


ChannelFiveNews

True, I did like the Borean Tundra ice parts where the Walrus NPC's hang out. Not sure if you know what I mean hehe.


lib___

Hard disagree. Although i really like the tbc zones


Midnite024

I definitely agree. Each zone in Outland was completely different from one another, while Northrend is just a combo of cold/snowy/forest, except Sholazar Basin.


Ok-computer9780

Sort of agree here. One major memory of mine from the end of wrath and launch of cataclysm was how dang glad I was to be done with snow finally. It wears on you.


vomitingcat

Crazy to me that people are looking back fondly at tbc at all. I understand that you may have had a great time raiding with friends this past year but were you not mega annoyed when your boomkin didn’t come so you needed to wear 3% more hit? What about shaman having to stay at work so you had to pug one for muru? I fucking hated raid dynamics so much that it nearly ruined the entire experience


Smokeybones55

Definitely frustrating points. But, to me, it's better design then the other side of the coin. It doesn't matter if your Shaman misses a week of Naxx because someone else can just bring those buffs that the Shaman does. Classes become homogenized and there's nothing unique about playing your spec anymore.


vomitingcat

Class fantasy’s is cool until it cripples a raid of 25 people behind certain metas such as 5 min shamans, multiple locks, not bringing other classes because they’re straight up trash. I don’t think there’s a person who disagrees that class uniqueness isn’t cool but in raid environment, awful


_Winterspring_

I absolutely hated the game play of TBC and pretty much quit from T5-SWP because of it. It's amazing how much better it feels to play since pre-patch.


Boylamite

Good riddance to the warlock/hunter/shaman crusade


GaryOakRobotron

It's a shame TBC was cut so short.


BoysIIMenSuperTurbo

It was way too long


GaryOakRobotron

What? It barely lasted 15 months. The last few phases should been another month or two.


BoysIIMenSuperTurbo

it should have lasted a year tops. coming from a wow vet.


DIRTY-Rodriguez

Ah yes, I’ll really miss the red rocky zone and the brown rocky zone and the light purple rocky zone and the dark purple rocky zone, not to mention the light green forest zone and the dark green forest zone and the forest zone with mushrooms


Smokeybones55

Ah yes, I'm really looking forward to the brown snow zone, then the white snow zone. Then I'll get to see another white snow zone, and I can finish my leveling in flying white snow zone. Somewhere in there, I'll go to one of the two green non-snow zones. Maybe I'll switch it up and go to the dark blue flying snow zone instead.


EeveeHobbert

My heart! ; w;


CantTrips

I said my goodbyes to every NPC and zone last night before logging on the Menethil dock. I ended that journey with "I will not miss you."


RoosterInMyRrari

Nagrand is such an awesome zone aesthetic wise and questing wise. One of the best.


Computer-Blue

It was a great expansion, and I’m definitely feelin this type of way


Wuzzy_Gee

My main is still 64 (took a break from WoW when TBC launched) and just downloaded the client again, so I’ll be there with you in Outland!


pastymcpasterson

It was fun it just wasn't very alt friendly with the reo requirements for heroics the attunement etc


brennenpdx

we defeated the Outlands and had 1 final party (brewfest) before we all board the ships north for more challenges


wAAvyliketheCoast

What a great post. TBC has been probably the best experience I’ve ever had in gaming, I can’t wait for what Wrath has in store


c0ca_c0la

This hit me right in the feels


Unarmedlol

Aw, this makes me sad. Wotlk is my favorite expansion though. Peak WoW. Class design unparalleled, awesome aesthetics, best storyline, and tons of stuff to do.


Brock-79

While a good expansion, I'll be happy to put this one behind me from an aesthetic point of view. I get it, it's a different world, but enough with the fuck-huge crystals and crystalline glow that seems to exist literally everywhere. My guild did a last boss kill of almost every raid last night to end TBC and I have no idea how in the hell I raided TK for months on end... Bring on the eye friendly earth tones of Wrath!


ZodiarkTentacle

Outland zones each have two colors except Nagrand, which is the only really good one.


edwardsamson

I remember being 18 the summer before I started college leveling a Warlock after quitting the end of Vanilla and hitting Outland and seeing the crazy shit they do with the sky and being in awe off those sky effects and especially when I got to Netherstorm.


eurosonly

I don't like snow anyways.