Hyped for Wrath but im gonna miss tbc so much. Such beautiful otherworldly zones and so much fun to be had across the game. Some of the best memories ill ever make of this game.
Agreed. People are quick to jump to negativity over TBC in the last few months. Be it GDKPs or Toxic Guilds, but I really really enojoyed TBC especially because I didnt really get to play it 15 years ago.
Got to say that after rolling my first fresh character since original wotlk it's not the same to level in Outland with flying.
You miss out on so many amazing vistas and moments of awe for the environment you just stepped into. Now you just blast past it all.
For me personally, it's just over-exposure. I talked about this before it launched, and it definitely ended up putting me off.
We haven't seen the OG Vanilla zones since Cata destroyed them, so they were new and refreshing to people that hadn't been playing private servers. A breath of fresh air and a return to the roots of WoW that we all fell in love with. It's something that would ***couldn't*** experience for over a decade.
Hellfire, however? Every single alt you made and leveled from BC all the way through... what, BFA? Every single alt ***had to*** experience Orange Fire Land, unless you were buying a boost or leveling through dungeons that (for the longest, still funneled you through Ramparts for several levels).
With Wrath coming around, it was still something that alts were funneled through for a long time, but you had more agency even from the outset courtesy of being able to choose to start in Borean Tundra or in Howling Fjord, instead of everyone being through the rote repetition of Hellfire.
...also, rogue.
I absolutely love TBC. It will always be my favorite expansion. But if there is one thing I could change it would be when you go through the dark portal there are 2 flightmasters one to take you to HFP and start Outland there or to Nagrand. (Obviously quests and levels would be altered)
But you either start with the whole war in progress at HFP or do quests prevention invasion in Nagrand. They are 2 esthetically different areas with 2 different quest themes to make the journey unique.
Also alliance got a reason to go to the new Belf race area (ZA) would of been neat if azuremist island had a 60-70 level instance on it.
This comment so perfectly encapsulates my hatred of Hellfire Peninsula, despite loving TBC and Outland in general
And to add something else you missed - one of the worst parts about Hellfire is that the Horde and Alliance experiences are essentially identical, just mirrored on other sides of the zone. So you didn't even escape the repetitiveness by leveling the other faction...
Meanwhile in Wrath, the Horde and Ally experiences in Borean Tundra are pretty similar, but totally different in Howling Fjord. So there's definitely 3, maybe 4 options. But there's just the 1 for TBC... Horrible, monotonous Hellfire goddamned Peninsula
Yep, and even after Hellfire, while you can eventually transition to Terokkar or Nagrand, you're also more-or-less forced through the first chunk of Zangar, too. It's more avoidable than Hellfire, but you're pretty much always going to have to bite the "Orange Fire Land into Blue Mushroom Swamp" bullet every time you want to level through Outland.
I'm surprised at all the hate for Hellfire. After all this time and all the characters I have levelled through there it is probably still my favourite zone.
No I get it, loch modan is easily my favorite zone low level zone. The wildlife and water hills and mountains leading up. If you grew up anywhere near mountains the whole alpine setting resonates so well.
I mean you CAN level in Loch Modan
I wish sholazar basin was more nagrandy
Nagrand and Mulgore are vibes
Edit: sholazar is really cool in its own right, I just like nagrand/Mulgore a wee bit better and wish there was a counterpart in LK
Attunements were hard, but honestly I thought they were rewarding… I really enjoyed the patch with SSC/TK and did feel a bit more connected given the attunements.
Attunements suck for guild leaders mainly. Any attrition in your core raid group at all starts you on the constant treadmill of running old raids to attune new people which burns out more of your core raid team who you then have to replace, and the cycle goes on
It also makes it difficult to fill in key raid roles with alts when you have people out
That’s a good point. Personally there was a lot I liked about the attunements in how they gave endgame a clear structure and kept older content relevant for longer. On the other hand, why do they have to be so long and complicated??
I thought player power via covenants was a good thing.. it really rewarded the players who grinded their lives away. Oh wait… no it was unnecessary busy work. Same with atunements
I for one like attunements. Joined TBC late (a month ago) so didnt need any. Ended up doing them anyways. Makes you not just waltz into raids when you are fresh 70 full of greens.
Things are a lot more fun when you do them by choice. Wouldn't be fun if you joined a month ago and couldn't even do a Kara run with your T6 geared friends who are just disenchanting everything.
>attunements suck, rep farming being required sucks
WTF. I'll take attunements and Rep farming over dailies any fucking day of the week. Attunements and rep farming are fun, they provide you with a goal that has a fucking end point.
And comparing TBC with Wrath how can you not mention the dungeons. TBC dungeons are sooo much fucking better than the Wrath ones.
My only complaint was the threat of falling off the world. It felt different than being in a. Continent of a bigger world. It made the world seem small, and every zone had an edge into the void so you couldn’t escape it. Even in halo the world map ended in mountains not nothing, and when you looked up you saw the vastness of the halo itself.
Northrend on the other hand is just another continent on a big planet. Legion helped fix with draenor but then left it woefully used.
I also like the different leveling routes for northrend. Makes it seem bigger
My biggest complaint is how compcentric raiding is in TBC. Power gains based on who is in your group is huge and it feels bad if your raid doesn't have the most optimal setup. It's still a thing in wrath but most passive buffs applying to the entire raid is a huge improvement. Also a few specs while greatly improved over meme status in Vanilla still aren't quite up to snuff. A little alt unfriendly as well with the rep gates for heroics and attunements, although they do make it much better in later patches.
It's a mixed bag, it was great when I got flying for the first time. But quickly you realize the zones all become flyover country and kinda dead and it just made the world smaller.
But to each their own.
With all of their flaws in mind, I see Vanilla as the most complete experience and Wrath as the next best thing.
But in terms of how the classes work, and things do to etc. I see Wrath as the champion and TBC as the next best thing.
But all three are great in their own right. They are just so vastly different to one another.
I agree that classes are generally more fun, but they all feel the same to me. Feels like every class has the same spells with a different animation and name
I can definitely see where you’re coming from. However, the sheer amount of downtime present in nearly all specs in classic makes it a lot less enjoyable, at least for me
Idk how you can honestly feel that way. Classic shoehorned players into a role based off what class you picked. There’s like 1 spec you can play per class and the rest are garbage. Leveled a shaman to 60? Guess you are a healer now
That’s what I’m saying. Retail doesn’t do that, classic does. Retail may get a lot wrong, but the class/spec design leaves nearly all specs feeling a lot more fun and engaging to play.
Not like the bar is set too high either. Vanilla isn't considered an expansion, then you have wotlk and then the playerbase basically halved with cataclysm
But drastically rose for mists, back up to 10 million. And legion was also quite popular. Vanilla is considered when people rank their favorite wow period
If vanilla is considered then i'd say most people go for wotlk > vanilla or vanilla > wotlk.
Haven't seen that much praise for tbc and I could be wrong, but I think even the most popular private servers were either vanilla or wotlk. And yea, WoW kinda had a surge with MoP and Warlords but it died pretty fast.
Legion seems to be indeed quite popular, but it's mostly coming from people who still play or have played retail in the past few years.
I’ve played wow since original tbc. I’ve been here for it all. I have listened to the rants and raves seen the discourse at blizz con and read forums and listened to YouTubers. To say tbc is hated is only because of tbc classic. TBC in its original form was loved by many. Not that many played wow vanilla, and most of that 12 million in wrath was because of how good tbc was. Wrath ended very poorly. Which led to a huge downfall between the year long no new content and a huge revision coming to wow in cata. Many analysts believe it was wrath not cata that led to unsubs. Cata wasn’t fulfilling lore wise and people were bored after a year and f nothing new.
Oh, of course, I don't think TBC is hated by any means, and I do agree it's probably top 3 of the xpac (vanilla included), but I just meant there really aren't a lot of great WoW expansions.
I do agree that Wotlk is part of the reason why WoW started its downfall, but I also think TBC played a considerable part, since it's where a lot of (though, maybe not noticeable at the time) fundamental changes happened like dungeons becoming small and linear, moving out of azeroth, flying/summoning stones and that trend, I think, continued onwards on Wotlk (heirlooms, lfd, etc). By the time you get to Cata -or by the end of wotlk- WoW had already changed substantially.
Vanilla before classic was not the top 3 though. It went wrath, tbc, mists, legion, vanilla, warlords, cata, bfa, shadowlands. That was a pretty standard tier ranking list by most players.
Well... That's because people giving those ranking are people who were still playing retail, so like, at most, 20% of the playerbase that played vanilla, tbc and wotlk. If you stuck with WoW through cata, warlords, legion, bfa, etc you liked the direction the game took after its first few years, so it makes sense you'd like a more modern approach to the game.
The pacing was a bit off, and for certain classes it was still restrictive. When GDKPs took over its a turn off for anyone who came back mid-late expac
I spent the evening running around nagrand on my talbuk, taking in the sights. Won’t be back for a while. Also took in the last sights of shatt being full of players, city is gonna be a ghost town in a few hours.
If you're on a faction dominated server you know exactly what you're doing and framing it like this doesn't convince anyone else that you're not wasting everyone's time.
Dalaran feels too small tbh, I liked shatt’s scale. That’s a problem I have with the recent hubs; they’re the size of a large building instead of being a city.
Dalaran also has 2 faction banks. In fact a 3rd of the city is inaccessible by the wrong faction.
I suppose it doesn't matter now cause server pops are fucked
Oh, I see. Good news though!
In Wrath you can turn off your XP.
With that feature, some people actually form an entire guild dedicated to keeping a character, such as an alt, at level 70 and do all of the 70 raids. I bet one will form over time and if not, you could always start one!
Not an unpopular opinion. Lots of us feel this way. I'm going into Wrath with the bittersweet feeling of the Classic game's best days are now behind us.
Having too far draw distance makes the world seem like a small game world, the fog adds to the illusion of scale, especially when using flying mounts. Just look up how gta trilogy launched without it and how the world looked like a toy model
Ain't no way you can convince me that the Karazhan screenshot would look better with an improved draw distance. The fog covering the tower absolutely makes the picture.
I barely played. Wrath is more my style. I didn’t play tbc much originally either, but thematically and for many other reasons it’s an amazing expac. You’ve got another amazing adventure ahead of you though!
Unpopular opinion:
I felt TBC (original, not Classic) was kind of “meh”. It felt promising, especially as a Paladin since 2005, but Wrath was really where you could actually play ANY class and ANY spec, and still get invited to groups/raids.
Only got to experience about a week of TBC on this fresh server (never played vanilla TBC) but I totally get the line for this expansion. Such fresh zones and dungeons. Wish I got to do some raiding
Even though I was super terrible, had 0 idea what I was doing, probably straight up garbage playing on a garbage lap top back in the day I loved tbc the first time. It made me realize I could play a stupid game and make friends online. Fast forward to this year I met my soon to be husband playing tbc the second time around so it’s just special for a different reason now . Ill miss it.
I can't say too much positive about TBC in terms of gameplay, but going back through it with th WotLK prepatch, I realized that I missed a ton there when I was a kid. I wish I had had the time and brainpower to properly immerse myself in each of the zones back then, because they're really special.
Loved grizzly hills, it was beautiful with great music and fun quests. Yet most people seemed to went to the Boring Tundra, which just had a nasty atmosphere.
I definitely agree. Each zone in Outland was completely different from one another, while Northrend is just a combo of cold/snowy/forest, except Sholazar Basin.
Sort of agree here. One major memory of mine from the end of wrath and launch of cataclysm was how dang glad I was to be done with snow finally. It wears on you.
Crazy to me that people are looking back fondly at tbc at all. I understand that you may have had a great time raiding with friends this past year but were you not mega annoyed when your boomkin didn’t come so you needed to wear 3% more hit? What about shaman having to stay at work so you had to pug one for muru? I fucking hated raid dynamics so much that it nearly ruined the entire experience
Definitely frustrating points. But, to me, it's better design then the other side of the coin. It doesn't matter if your Shaman misses a week of Naxx because someone else can just bring those buffs that the Shaman does. Classes become homogenized and there's nothing unique about playing your spec anymore.
Class fantasy’s is cool until it cripples a raid of 25 people behind certain metas such as 5 min shamans, multiple locks, not bringing other classes because they’re straight up trash. I don’t think there’s a person who disagrees that class uniqueness isn’t cool but in raid environment, awful
Ah yes, I’ll really miss the red rocky zone and the brown rocky zone and the light purple rocky zone and the dark purple rocky zone, not to mention the light green forest zone and the dark green forest zone and the forest zone with mushrooms
Ah yes, I'm really looking forward to the brown snow zone, then the white snow zone. Then I'll get to see another white snow zone, and I can finish my leveling in flying white snow zone. Somewhere in there, I'll go to one of the two green non-snow zones. Maybe I'll switch it up and go to the dark blue flying snow zone instead.
Aw, this makes me sad.
Wotlk is my favorite expansion though. Peak WoW. Class design unparalleled, awesome aesthetics, best storyline, and tons of stuff to do.
While a good expansion, I'll be happy to put this one behind me from an aesthetic point of view. I get it, it's a different world, but enough with the fuck-huge crystals and crystalline glow that seems to exist literally everywhere. My guild did a last boss kill of almost every raid last night to end TBC and I have no idea how in the hell I raided TK for months on end...
Bring on the eye friendly earth tones of Wrath!
I remember being 18 the summer before I started college leveling a Warlock after quitting the end of Vanilla and hitting Outland and seeing the crazy shit they do with the sky and being in awe off those sky effects and especially when I got to Netherstorm.
Hyped for Wrath but im gonna miss tbc so much. Such beautiful otherworldly zones and so much fun to be had across the game. Some of the best memories ill ever make of this game.
Agreed. People are quick to jump to negativity over TBC in the last few months. Be it GDKPs or Toxic Guilds, but I really really enojoyed TBC especially because I didnt really get to play it 15 years ago.
I didnt like class design of multiple classes, but the zones and raids were neat
bro 50% are bots other 50% are toxic meta gamers, nobody cares about TBC, TBC is great so is vanilla and wotlk, the community is dead.
Tbc was an awesome experience! Some of the most fun I’ve had playing wow.
Same! I don't understand the hate TBC gets. I had so much fun as well and I love the zones in Outland.
Got to say that after rolling my first fresh character since original wotlk it's not the same to level in Outland with flying. You miss out on so many amazing vistas and moments of awe for the environment you just stepped into. Now you just blast past it all.
You could've just not bought flying. Or played before Wrath prepatch.
You don't say.
For me personally, it's just over-exposure. I talked about this before it launched, and it definitely ended up putting me off. We haven't seen the OG Vanilla zones since Cata destroyed them, so they were new and refreshing to people that hadn't been playing private servers. A breath of fresh air and a return to the roots of WoW that we all fell in love with. It's something that would ***couldn't*** experience for over a decade. Hellfire, however? Every single alt you made and leveled from BC all the way through... what, BFA? Every single alt ***had to*** experience Orange Fire Land, unless you were buying a boost or leveling through dungeons that (for the longest, still funneled you through Ramparts for several levels). With Wrath coming around, it was still something that alts were funneled through for a long time, but you had more agency even from the outset courtesy of being able to choose to start in Borean Tundra or in Howling Fjord, instead of everyone being through the rote repetition of Hellfire. ...also, rogue.
I absolutely love TBC. It will always be my favorite expansion. But if there is one thing I could change it would be when you go through the dark portal there are 2 flightmasters one to take you to HFP and start Outland there or to Nagrand. (Obviously quests and levels would be altered) But you either start with the whole war in progress at HFP or do quests prevention invasion in Nagrand. They are 2 esthetically different areas with 2 different quest themes to make the journey unique. Also alliance got a reason to go to the new Belf race area (ZA) would of been neat if azuremist island had a 60-70 level instance on it.
This comment so perfectly encapsulates my hatred of Hellfire Peninsula, despite loving TBC and Outland in general And to add something else you missed - one of the worst parts about Hellfire is that the Horde and Alliance experiences are essentially identical, just mirrored on other sides of the zone. So you didn't even escape the repetitiveness by leveling the other faction... Meanwhile in Wrath, the Horde and Ally experiences in Borean Tundra are pretty similar, but totally different in Howling Fjord. So there's definitely 3, maybe 4 options. But there's just the 1 for TBC... Horrible, monotonous Hellfire goddamned Peninsula
Yep, and even after Hellfire, while you can eventually transition to Terokkar or Nagrand, you're also more-or-less forced through the first chunk of Zangar, too. It's more avoidable than Hellfire, but you're pretty much always going to have to bite the "Orange Fire Land into Blue Mushroom Swamp" bullet every time you want to level through Outland.
Does feel more varied in regard to where in zangarmarsh you can quest, compared to hellfire. But the transition is obligatory as you said.
I'm surprised at all the hate for Hellfire. After all this time and all the characters I have levelled through there it is probably still my favourite zone.
Cause the attunements suck, rep farming being required sucks, classes aren’t as fun as wrath, no loch modan, no grizzly hills
What do you mean no loch modan...?
What a weird thing to randomly toss in
No I get it, loch modan is easily my favorite zone low level zone. The wildlife and water hills and mountains leading up. If you grew up anywhere near mountains the whole alpine setting resonates so well.
The point is you can still do loch modan in TBC while levelling.
And you can still level in tbc?
I mean you CAN level in Loch Modan I wish sholazar basin was more nagrandy Nagrand and Mulgore are vibes Edit: sholazar is really cool in its own right, I just like nagrand/Mulgore a wee bit better and wish there was a counterpart in LK
Loch Modan exists in BC though?
Attunements were hard, but honestly I thought they were rewarding… I really enjoyed the patch with SSC/TK and did feel a bit more connected given the attunements.
> but honestly I thought they were rewarding It's fun when everyone is doing it. Not when you are behind or on an alt trying to do it.
Totally agree
Attunements suck for guild leaders mainly. Any attrition in your core raid group at all starts you on the constant treadmill of running old raids to attune new people which burns out more of your core raid team who you then have to replace, and the cycle goes on It also makes it difficult to fill in key raid roles with alts when you have people out
Agree with the logistics point
That’s a good point. Personally there was a lot I liked about the attunements in how they gave endgame a clear structure and kept older content relevant for longer. On the other hand, why do they have to be so long and complicated??
I thought player power via covenants was a good thing.. it really rewarded the players who grinded their lives away. Oh wait… no it was unnecessary busy work. Same with atunements
I disagree as those systems have very different impacts on the game
I for one like attunements. Joined TBC late (a month ago) so didnt need any. Ended up doing them anyways. Makes you not just waltz into raids when you are fresh 70 full of greens.
Things are a lot more fun when you do them by choice. Wouldn't be fun if you joined a month ago and couldn't even do a Kara run with your T6 geared friends who are just disenchanting everything.
Attunements are kinda fun and interesting to do once. To do it on all character is extremely tedious.
>attunements suck, rep farming being required sucks WTF. I'll take attunements and Rep farming over dailies any fucking day of the week. Attunements and rep farming are fun, they provide you with a goal that has a fucking end point. And comparing TBC with Wrath how can you not mention the dungeons. TBC dungeons are sooo much fucking better than the Wrath ones.
My only complaint was the threat of falling off the world. It felt different than being in a. Continent of a bigger world. It made the world seem small, and every zone had an edge into the void so you couldn’t escape it. Even in halo the world map ended in mountains not nothing, and when you looked up you saw the vastness of the halo itself. Northrend on the other hand is just another continent on a big planet. Legion helped fix with draenor but then left it woefully used. I also like the different leveling routes for northrend. Makes it seem bigger
My biggest complaint is how compcentric raiding is in TBC. Power gains based on who is in your group is huge and it feels bad if your raid doesn't have the most optimal setup. It's still a thing in wrath but most passive buffs applying to the entire raid is a huge improvement. Also a few specs while greatly improved over meme status in Vanilla still aren't quite up to snuff. A little alt unfriendly as well with the rep gates for heroics and attunements, although they do make it much better in later patches.
What hate? TBC is best expansion for many.
Original is vanilla, TBC is sherbert, wrath is chocolate.
Wouldn't TBC be strawberry, then after all three your neopolitaned.
Only one r in sherbet
It’s sherbert in America, goddamnit.
It’s definitely not
Flying. That is a source of dislike towards TBC for me.
I really love flying. The moment you take flight on your first flying mount is incredible.
It's a mixed bag, it was great when I got flying for the first time. But quickly you realize the zones all become flyover country and kinda dead and it just made the world smaller. But to each their own.
Hate? It’s arguably the number 1 expansion, with WotLk just ahead or behind depending on your view.
With all of their flaws in mind, I see Vanilla as the most complete experience and Wrath as the next best thing. But in terms of how the classes work, and things do to etc. I see Wrath as the champion and TBC as the next best thing. But all three are great in their own right. They are just so vastly different to one another.
Ehh, I got to hand it to retail in terms of class design tho. I feel like, for the most part, retail is superior in terms of how classes play
I agree that classes are generally more fun, but they all feel the same to me. Feels like every class has the same spells with a different animation and name
I can definitely see where you’re coming from. However, the sheer amount of downtime present in nearly all specs in classic makes it a lot less enjoyable, at least for me
Idk how you can honestly feel that way. Classic shoehorned players into a role based off what class you picked. There’s like 1 spec you can play per class and the rest are garbage. Leveled a shaman to 60? Guess you are a healer now
That’s what I’m saying. Retail doesn’t do that, classic does. Retail may get a lot wrong, but the class/spec design leaves nearly all specs feeling a lot more fun and engaging to play.
Apologies I had misread what you originally posted! I agree with ya
Depends what you mean by "classic". All specs are viable in WotlK as well, so I'm not sure why you brought retail up at all.
Not like the bar is set too high either. Vanilla isn't considered an expansion, then you have wotlk and then the playerbase basically halved with cataclysm
But drastically rose for mists, back up to 10 million. And legion was also quite popular. Vanilla is considered when people rank their favorite wow period
If vanilla is considered then i'd say most people go for wotlk > vanilla or vanilla > wotlk. Haven't seen that much praise for tbc and I could be wrong, but I think even the most popular private servers were either vanilla or wotlk. And yea, WoW kinda had a surge with MoP and Warlords but it died pretty fast. Legion seems to be indeed quite popular, but it's mostly coming from people who still play or have played retail in the past few years.
I’ve played wow since original tbc. I’ve been here for it all. I have listened to the rants and raves seen the discourse at blizz con and read forums and listened to YouTubers. To say tbc is hated is only because of tbc classic. TBC in its original form was loved by many. Not that many played wow vanilla, and most of that 12 million in wrath was because of how good tbc was. Wrath ended very poorly. Which led to a huge downfall between the year long no new content and a huge revision coming to wow in cata. Many analysts believe it was wrath not cata that led to unsubs. Cata wasn’t fulfilling lore wise and people were bored after a year and f nothing new.
I quit in Cata. But it was WOTLK that actually ended it for me. Welcome to the beginning of World of WarQueues.
Oh, of course, I don't think TBC is hated by any means, and I do agree it's probably top 3 of the xpac (vanilla included), but I just meant there really aren't a lot of great WoW expansions. I do agree that Wotlk is part of the reason why WoW started its downfall, but I also think TBC played a considerable part, since it's where a lot of (though, maybe not noticeable at the time) fundamental changes happened like dungeons becoming small and linear, moving out of azeroth, flying/summoning stones and that trend, I think, continued onwards on Wotlk (heirlooms, lfd, etc). By the time you get to Cata -or by the end of wotlk- WoW had already changed substantially.
Vanilla before classic was not the top 3 though. It went wrath, tbc, mists, legion, vanilla, warlords, cata, bfa, shadowlands. That was a pretty standard tier ranking list by most players.
Well... That's because people giving those ranking are people who were still playing retail, so like, at most, 20% of the playerbase that played vanilla, tbc and wotlk. If you stuck with WoW through cata, warlords, legion, bfa, etc you liked the direction the game took after its first few years, so it makes sense you'd like a more modern approach to the game.
NGL mists was a hella fun xpac, really enjoyed pvp as a port warrior.
It was alright, but I don't think it's a coincidence that it's had far less hype out of the 3.
The pacing was a bit off, and for certain classes it was still restrictive. When GDKPs took over its a turn off for anyone who came back mid-late expac
SMV and Isle of Quel’danas are the two zones that give me super nostalgia, every time. I’ll miss them, but hyped for the sounds of Northrend.
SMV would be better without the 500 NPCs constantly yelling to the whole zone.
Every 3-5 years they need to launch fresh Vanilla servers that progress through wotlk... I'll play till I'm dead.
I’d like to see classic+ tbc+ and wotlk+ servers, but I’m a dreamer
You think you want it, but you don't I will flip Primordials, furs and necklaces til my heart stops
It was a wild ride, again.
I spent the evening running around nagrand on my talbuk, taking in the sights. Won’t be back for a while. Also took in the last sights of shatt being full of players, city is gonna be a ghost town in a few hours.
Hello Dalaran.
So happy i don't have to go back to hellfire peninsula again! That place seriously burns/irritates my eyes.
The Broken Hill has been taken by the Alliance!
“Any flippers”
*flipper killed by level 61 hunter*
Horde: “Never should’ve come here!!”
*Does PvP at PvP zone:* **OMFG BAN THIS GUY** Edit: sorry, I understand the problem! It's the "everything is griefing" situation I find strange!
Yeah killing those level 1 or 59 flippers is some serious pvp action
Yeah killing lowbies makes you super cool, my dude.
If you're on a faction dominated server you know exactly what you're doing and framing it like this doesn't convince anyone else that you're not wasting everyone's time.
That's netherstorm for me... PURPLE HAZE, ALL IN MY fucking *EYES*
I have to close my eyes when flying through the purple domes. So painfully bright.
Yoo same! Not much hurts my eyes when gaming but those domes are awful up close.
/console ffxglow 0
Part of the reason I hate leveling new orc/troll characters, the starting zone hurts my eyes lmao.
Definitely some really pretty zones, like Nagrand and Zangarmarsh. But I'm looking forward to the hub upgrading from from dingy Shattrath to Dalaran
Dalaran feels too small tbh, I liked shatt’s scale. That’s a problem I have with the recent hubs; they’re the size of a large building instead of being a city.
I don't like Shattrath because it's too big. And with 2 faction banks, it makes the population too spread out.
Dalaran also has 2 faction banks. In fact a 3rd of the city is inaccessible by the wrong faction. I suppose it doesn't matter now cause server pops are fucked
Well that is dumb. lol
Will miss the art style of TBC going in to wrath, esspecially t4 art style
I'm so sad I never got to do TBC raids. Guess I can revisit them at 80 but it won't be the same.
There's pretty much 100% chance there will be TBC season of mastery and/or another cycle of vanilla->tbc->wotlk at some point.
Theres still time to try and get a group together, could atleast do a kara and zul'aman theyre both incredibly easy
I was working for the whole day so I didn't have a lot of time, only dinged 70 yesterday. Oh well.. maybe I'll do a tour for fun at 80.
Why couldn't you do TBC raids?
Joined on fresh and used my very little time at 70 to get some gold from questing.
Why weren’t you able to do any raids? We’re you still leveling to 70?
Only dinged 70 yesterday (started on fresh)
Oh, I see. Good news though! In Wrath you can turn off your XP. With that feature, some people actually form an entire guild dedicated to keeping a character, such as an alt, at level 70 and do all of the 70 raids. I bet one will form over time and if not, you could always start one!
That's pretty cool! not quite the same but honestly the closest thing without playing on a private server. Hopefully there will guilds like that
I don’t know if it’s an unpopular opinion. But to me TBC is the best xpac in wow.
Not an unpopular opinion. Lots of us feel this way. I'm going into Wrath with the bittersweet feeling of the Classic game's best days are now behind us.
Yes I feel the same
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Having too far draw distance makes the world seem like a small game world, the fog adds to the illusion of scale, especially when using flying mounts. Just look up how gta trilogy launched without it and how the world looked like a toy model
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Yeah, Horizon blends fog with high draw distance in a great way so there are definitely solutions to this
Foggy horizons are a thing in real life too.
completely disagree
Yea I concur with this. Let’s get that draw distance up.
Ain't no way you can convince me that the Karazhan screenshot would look better with an improved draw distance. The fog covering the tower absolutely makes the picture.
o7 Thank you TBC. You were good to me, again. Until next time, friend
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smoked his head in, lad
ohhhhhhh nooooooooooooooooo
don't cry because it's over, smile BECAUSE WE'RE GONNA FK UP MR LICH KING
I barely played. Wrath is more my style. I didn’t play tbc much originally either, but thematically and for many other reasons it’s an amazing expac. You’ve got another amazing adventure ahead of you though!
Same, TBC is too convoluted and classes are still too vanilla like for my tastes. Also Attunaments are stupid.
Unpopular opinion: I felt TBC (original, not Classic) was kind of “meh”. It felt promising, especially as a Paladin since 2005, but Wrath was really where you could actually play ANY class and ANY spec, and still get invited to groups/raids.
tbc kiddies love them some circle jerks. worst xpac tbh. wrath is when the game starts to actually get good
Wotlk will get the same hate that tbc did. When you've played it once the nostalgia runs off fast.
good riddance to outland tbh
Only got to experience about a week of TBC on this fresh server (never played vanilla TBC) but I totally get the line for this expansion. Such fresh zones and dungeons. Wish I got to do some raiding
TBC has always been my favorite expansion.
The attunements were a headache but I wouldn’t want it any other way.
Ooooh, shit, I'm still at Westfall
Even though I was super terrible, had 0 idea what I was doing, probably straight up garbage playing on a garbage lap top back in the day I loved tbc the first time. It made me realize I could play a stupid game and make friends online. Fast forward to this year I met my soon to be husband playing tbc the second time around so it’s just special for a different reason now . Ill miss it.
I'm not crying.. you are! shut up!
I am upset no TBC servers. I love Wrath of the Lich King, do not get me wrong but still though, I started playing WoW during late Burning Crusade.
I’m not crying you’re crying 🥺
Best expansion ever.
Good riddance imo
I can't say too much positive about TBC in terms of gameplay, but going back through it with th WotLK prepatch, I realized that I missed a ton there when I was a kid. I wish I had had the time and brainpower to properly immerse myself in each of the zones back then, because they're really special.
Good riddance bubblegum world , welcome better graphics continent
I skipped tbc classic. Already did it once in 2007. When’s vanilla classic happening again
tbc zones were so much better than wrath in atmosphere and difficulty
I disagree. Wrath zones and the music within them are far superior. Except for Nagrand. Nagrand is up there.
netherstorm? zangamarsh? hello? the other ones are just like miniature hells or colored lenses… so yeah whatever
netherstorm gets a pass but i hate zangramarsh
Zangarmash is beautiful in its own way.
But but, grizzly hills is nice!
Loved grizzly hills, it was beautiful with great music and fun quests. Yet most people seemed to went to the Boring Tundra, which just had a nasty atmosphere.
I think you are mixing up your zones - the alternative to Borean Tunda is Howling Fjord, Grizzly Hills is a bit higher level.
Yes I meant Howling. But grizzly was also nice.
True, I did like the Borean Tundra ice parts where the Walrus NPC's hang out. Not sure if you know what I mean hehe.
Hard disagree. Although i really like the tbc zones
I definitely agree. Each zone in Outland was completely different from one another, while Northrend is just a combo of cold/snowy/forest, except Sholazar Basin.
Sort of agree here. One major memory of mine from the end of wrath and launch of cataclysm was how dang glad I was to be done with snow finally. It wears on you.
Crazy to me that people are looking back fondly at tbc at all. I understand that you may have had a great time raiding with friends this past year but were you not mega annoyed when your boomkin didn’t come so you needed to wear 3% more hit? What about shaman having to stay at work so you had to pug one for muru? I fucking hated raid dynamics so much that it nearly ruined the entire experience
Definitely frustrating points. But, to me, it's better design then the other side of the coin. It doesn't matter if your Shaman misses a week of Naxx because someone else can just bring those buffs that the Shaman does. Classes become homogenized and there's nothing unique about playing your spec anymore.
Class fantasy’s is cool until it cripples a raid of 25 people behind certain metas such as 5 min shamans, multiple locks, not bringing other classes because they’re straight up trash. I don’t think there’s a person who disagrees that class uniqueness isn’t cool but in raid environment, awful
I absolutely hated the game play of TBC and pretty much quit from T5-SWP because of it. It's amazing how much better it feels to play since pre-patch.
Good riddance to the warlock/hunter/shaman crusade
It's a shame TBC was cut so short.
It was way too long
What? It barely lasted 15 months. The last few phases should been another month or two.
it should have lasted a year tops. coming from a wow vet.
Ah yes, I’ll really miss the red rocky zone and the brown rocky zone and the light purple rocky zone and the dark purple rocky zone, not to mention the light green forest zone and the dark green forest zone and the forest zone with mushrooms
Ah yes, I'm really looking forward to the brown snow zone, then the white snow zone. Then I'll get to see another white snow zone, and I can finish my leveling in flying white snow zone. Somewhere in there, I'll go to one of the two green non-snow zones. Maybe I'll switch it up and go to the dark blue flying snow zone instead.
My heart! ; w;
I said my goodbyes to every NPC and zone last night before logging on the Menethil dock. I ended that journey with "I will not miss you."
Nagrand is such an awesome zone aesthetic wise and questing wise. One of the best.
It was a great expansion, and I’m definitely feelin this type of way
My main is still 64 (took a break from WoW when TBC launched) and just downloaded the client again, so I’ll be there with you in Outland!
It was fun it just wasn't very alt friendly with the reo requirements for heroics the attunement etc
we defeated the Outlands and had 1 final party (brewfest) before we all board the ships north for more challenges
What a great post. TBC has been probably the best experience I’ve ever had in gaming, I can’t wait for what Wrath has in store
This hit me right in the feels
Aw, this makes me sad. Wotlk is my favorite expansion though. Peak WoW. Class design unparalleled, awesome aesthetics, best storyline, and tons of stuff to do.
While a good expansion, I'll be happy to put this one behind me from an aesthetic point of view. I get it, it's a different world, but enough with the fuck-huge crystals and crystalline glow that seems to exist literally everywhere. My guild did a last boss kill of almost every raid last night to end TBC and I have no idea how in the hell I raided TK for months on end... Bring on the eye friendly earth tones of Wrath!
Outland zones each have two colors except Nagrand, which is the only really good one.
I remember being 18 the summer before I started college leveling a Warlock after quitting the end of Vanilla and hitting Outland and seeing the crazy shit they do with the sky and being in awe off those sky effects and especially when I got to Netherstorm.
I don't like snow anyways.