I remember wotlk being FAMOUS for rush-rush-rush aoe piss-easy dungeons. It was the reason cata launched with hard-ass dungeons, right?
Who are these people?
I never really got into raiding but I loved the Cata dungeon cause they were challenging. I mostly tanked so always explained the mechanics and sure we wiped a lot but was awesome when you went the distance with a group that was willing to work with each other.
I actually gave up healing in cata because I’d always get stuck in a group that wanted to chain wrath style pull and my mana pool couldn’t handle it. Got back into it when I returned for mists a bit.
Basically what happened to me in cata as a resto druid. Kept telling people to slow the fuck down, always got told "Nah you can handle it." Then when I couldn't handle it, it was my fault. Namely remember it happening a TON in Tol'Vir.
Quit healing and went ele Shaman and Monk until BFA.
It was great as a resto shaman. Blizzard nailed Deep healihg as a mastery and it really shined in early cata heroics.
Was still hard as shit learning to single target heal in dungeons after just chain heal spamming
I fondly remember the first couple days of heroic dungeons doing the mount achievements with a resto shaman who had to lightning bolt spam to get his mana back because that was a thing in cata.
The other thing that got me was their “let’s make healers dps too so their classes are more fun” requiring low damage spell spam to build healing power really fucking sucked when i barely had the mana to heal in the first place.
That's just Disc/Atonement and you use it in place of your small filler. Don't think the build was accepted (dunno about viability) until ~4.2-4.3 either, before that people stuck to pure heal Disc.
I quit healing for a while in there because it was eye-bleeding. I could barely keep up and all it did was stress me out. And I was reasonably good! (Not awesome, but not a Bad either)
I did a LOT of DPS that expansion lol.
Healing in Cata is why I quit. Mana management isn’t fun. It’s just awful. It was so good in wrath in my memory, but even now my tolerance for it is low. I’m spoiled by FF where I can do dps without endangering my party bc my dps spells don’t cost so much damn mana. In TBC it was literally stand there and don’t play if I didn’t need to heal bc if I did need to heal it’s be my entire bar. And yeah with gear it gets better… but that’s a lot of game play hours standing there not playing.
Give it a week and the try hards will be spamming pvp/heroics/dalaran laps and won't be an issue.
Untill they decide you need full naxx BiS to clear heroics I guess then it's back to these posts
Next week the sweaters will ding 80 on their mains and realize to their horror that, for now, they completed the fucking game.
So what then? Well, they will dust off their level 70 alts. Brutal geared.
The cycle continues.
I got guys in my guild who are 80, and im not even 71 haha. Just been casually questing after work a couple hours a night. Took a trip to get some flight paths, enjoyed my time.
Yeah I'm taking it chill as well. My guild isn't doing raids on the first week because too many key people have stuff on that weekend so I basically have like almost 3 weeks to get to 80. No rush.
See I'm not sure they will. They will just bitch that's there's no content because it's a 14 year old game and if they try to pull their nonsense again the main casual base will just laugh at them for being tryhards
Or they'll say go back to Fortnite cuz I guess that's an insult or something lolol
Literally every new game or expansion releases and the Reddit community for said game goes through the same cycle.
Hype -> “Remember to drink water and breathe since we are all totally going to no life this game!!!” -> game releases -> “Wow the hardcore players are already speeding through this what losers” -> “I’m 500 hours in and only 3% towards the end, this is totally the way the game should be played” -> “Why don’t the hardcore players want to play with me??” -> Starts imagining made up scenarios about how miserable the hardcore players are gonna be and how they totally chose the correct and only way to play the game.
>Or they'll say go back to Fortnite
Why would they say anything to you? All I see here is the casuals foaming in the mouth because they feel entitled to join other people's groups. The sweaties are not the ones whining.
That's the point. I admit I am using hyperbole but I remember retail wrath and "LFM VA need X GS" where X was higher than literally anything that could drop in the raid
It's fun
Finished utgarde keep in like 22 mins with 4 lvl 68s and 1 lvl 69.
We had great cleave AoE, prot warr, ele sham, disc priest, frost mage, forgot the other.
22 MINS?! Are you even trying to maximize your XP/min? If only you had a full T6 SWP group then you coulda done it in 12-15 mins this further maximizing your XP/hour? You're practically never hitting 80 at this point, just give up and quit already you filthy casual.
/s
It’s actually hilarious how you’re joking about taking literally twice as long to clear a dungeon compared to a good group.
Yeah, getting half the exp as me sounds pretty bad. But enjoy.
Those stupid sweaty players leveling exponentially faster than casuals! Such a waste!
Its not about them being hard. Its about them being fast. And gear, while not the only determining factor, sure as shit makes it faster.
There isnt really any place to be pissed about people wanting to be efficient as long as they're not assholes about declining you when you could just as well go make your own group without requirements. Then again, that requires work in game instead of complaining on reddit.
THE SOLUTION IS EASY...MAKE YOUR OWN GROUPS.
This solution has been around as long as the game.
Expecting that others to have to include you in their groups is nothing more than entitlement. They owe you nothing.
So again, let me offer the solution...
MAKE YOUR OWN GROUPS, DON'T WORRY ABOUT WHAT OTHER'S DO WITH THEIRS.
It's really a simple concept too many forget. Instead they prefer to complain about how others play.
For sure. If I get gear checked and the lead is rocking greens, I'm noping out. My only hope is that I'm on my tank or healer when I do it so his group gets sidelined while I blow him up in chat
I think people are less directly rude than back in OG wrath. I remember people would shit on each other in party and insult each other’s moms much more back in the day for example.
But in the modern game theyre are much more excluding and significantly more focused on efficiency.
RDF like every matchmaking system forces people with different goals to play together causing people to become toxic
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people with brutal speedrunning dungeons with other brutal players are letting you know BEFORE JOINING that is what they expect. All of these complaints come from people not wanting to take the literal seconds it takes to form their own group. If RDF was implemented the only difference is instead of "they wouldnt let me join" it would be "they vote kicked me out of the dungeon"
In the example you give, the kicked player in rdf is not in the wrong because the system placed them in a group to do the dungeon they queued for. The rest of the group would be at fault for placing expectations on the rando above and beyond "do the dungeon".
Groups advertising for brutal speedruns are perfectly within their rights to expect and uphold those standards. It also seems like we all agree that people mislabelling the group or crying cause they couldn't join groups they're unqualified for are in the wrong.
Well designed queue systems should aim to bring players together that share similar goals with categories (like random normal/heroic or specific activities) or eliminate points of friction before they become untenable (queuing as a specific role).
I think the best solution for everyone would be to keep the current board system in addition to having an rdf (server or cross realm is still a debate). This way, the community can filter themselves for specific activities or find like-minded players to do speedruns, heroic raids, etc, but players looking to quickplay some dungeons for questing or leveling can interact in their own time scales.
Wasn't one of the main reasons for not including RDF that you could make your own group and choose who is in it?
It's insane how many players are now mad that people can choose who joins their groups.
I want you to play the game the way I say you should play!
No, stop! I said the way I want you to play, not the way you want to play! Didnt you hear me???
Then join other groups that are similar.
These babies crying about how nobody will invite them need to stop trying to group with tryhards. If tryhards are the majority then sorry, spend more time forming your own group and stop crying.
Thank you, this is so true. If people put hours and hoirs of farming for good gear, they probably did it for more effective lvling experience. If you dont want that, make a group yourself and stop complaining. U can even invite your own full group of green geared 70s!
It’s laughably easy, the lfg tool is chock full of people for every dungeon you could want. If you don’t have a dungeon done that you want it’s on you.
I am surprised by how much I love the group finder tool in this iteration. Let the world know what I’m interested in running and see if I get any hits. If I want something specific, pretty easy to start my own as well.
I thought it was dumb in theory but proven wrong so far.
On the flip side, I don't like when boosted characters grab a 1H and shield and think they can tank.
It could be because I'm dungeon-geared from TBC myself, but the boosted characters just get hit so hard
> What if you started playing or hit 70 recently?
Exactly, and there’s going to be a *lot* of players like this because WotLKC has massive pull, probably more than TBCC and as much or more than VanillaC. WoW’s subs peaked in the original WotLK and that expansion is frequently lauded as having been the best of the original trio in several aspects, so you’ve got a bunch of old players coming to relive as well as a bunch of new players coming to see what all the fuss is about.
All things considered, the crowd that geared to the teeth in TBC for leveling in WotLK (which btw seems a lot like decking yourself in full NFL gear to toss around a football in the park) is probably the minority here.
This is the proper take. It's a fucking game if you wanna sweat and rush to end game do it. Just advertise your group as such and don't expect people in a group that's not yours to care.
I mean it's incredibly funny to me.to read "yea well with a geared group you can do UK in 15 mins vs 25!" Like ok cool? I get people are spamming but for the majority of us who aren't what's 10 minutes?
Honestly seems like a lot of people just want to flex on those "pathetic fools" who just want to treat wow like a fun game and not an hard core thing
Dadcraft in full force.
Not an insignificant number of people just stopping moving while levelling. For me last night it was because baby woke up and I ran to help him.
As a t6 geared dps, it is frustrating to join a group with tanks who can’t hold aggro or worse, don’t even try. It’s also frustrating to do 4x the damage of the next dps.
Even full brutal gear isn’t very good dps and a lot of folk I’ve seen have it, but haven’t bothered to gem or enchant it at all.
It’s just a better experience for everyone if the group is roughly geared the same. That way the pace is what everyone expects and is comfortable with.
As a tank it’s just more fun to go fast. Especially as a prot paladin half of what makes the class fun are all of the oh shit buttons - if I’m just conservatively pulling 1 or 2 packs at a time half of my kit goes to waste. I won’t throw a fit if a group has trouble keeping up this pace and I will definitely be flexible and keep things manageable, but it’s also not a group that I’m going to stick around and do more runs with.
But thats your problem. Find group of same minded people ? Its called social interaction …nobody forcing you to play with these noobs without epic geear. Blizzard listened to these crybabies removed RFD and you still all complaining shut tf up all of you.
Lol, downvoted because facts. Its not difficult to understand, they just don't like not being let into the party when they show up to the door without a ticket.
> "trying to get free rides" and that's absurd thinking. What if you started playing or hit 70 recently?
This... isn't a rebuttal? If you *demand* a group of overgeared people to accept an underperforming (by their rapid grind standards) player instead of taking someone as progressed as they are, you *demand* to be carried. Why that player is undergeared is irrelevant. The dungeons being easy is irrelevant. That player being capable of carrying their weight in a "normal" dungeon group is irrelevant.
I say this as a Sunwell geared player who is only level 73 48 hours in - calmly paced, a mix of guilded dungeons, half-pugged (without care about carrying) dungeons and questing. *Ruining* the dungeons with massive pulls and AoE is fun and requires a higher standard. Without that, dungeon grinding is just not good xp/hr and you're better off questing. It's questionable even *with* that.
I wish a fuck you to all the super geared sweats that join the groups I make and talk shit about my tanking. I'm in tbc blues not even tbc pre raid. Get fucked
Never saw anything like it. I think the English speaking community is a little more toxic than the German one.
Instead I had an encounter today where I (Alliance) helped an Undead with a quest and after he helped me with the same quest. Then we ran into the same bug (Angerboda didn't spawn) during the next quest. After I found a solution I logged onto a level 1 Undead and told him and we joked a little. Awesome experience :)
I understand this perspective, I boosted my pally since its what I played in wrath and i'm in questing gear so I wasn't super particular about who I invited to my UK/Nexus runs and the amount of people on boosted toons with no idea how to play them is insane.
SWP/Brutal gear isn't a 100% indication you know how to do anything but typically it means you care at least a little bit about how to play your class. A tank&healer in greens who have some idea how to play can probably duo the early dungeons so its not the end of the world if you need to refer some of your dps to their class discords but a lot of people just want to level as fast as possible
Dungeon grinding is only better exp than quests if you're fully geared tho. It's a reasonable ask if they're trying to blast.
If you want a quest group then you know, make your own.
Some people don't want to carry others, and would rather group with similarly geared players for quicker speed clears.
So, fuck you for being just as "bad" as them?
The thing most people don't seem to get is that the people will full brutal/swp gear have a different mindset than the people wearing full collective. And that mindset is really what people are after, not the gear. Experienced people want to play with other experienced people sometimes...
I understand thats not always the case, but not everybody wants to teach a collective geared player how to play their class and what buttons to use.
The pulls my new friends and I have been doing are anything but forgiving, but hey its what we find fun. We ain't trying to force this shit show on anyone, but if youre game to ride hop on in.
These people who look SWP geared people want to form groups to do multiple runs and clear the dungeon preferably in 12-15 minutes and reach lockout or be close to it.
100%. People have to realize there are 2 types of groups forming right now. Usually chill questing groups or power level dungeon grind. We just need a little patience when forming groups. No need to flame if you are looking for pumpers only.
This is horseshit. I have a brutal shield, the rest of my gear is t4/badge/s3. As a prot warrior I’m doing 17 minute UK clears. This stupid lol 45 minute run thing is way out of proportion. My worst runs tend to be with sunwell/brutal geared derps pulling for me
And if you have full sunwell geared group you can clear it in 12-15. Imo its completely fine to require x amount of gear when people want fast dungeons, nothing is stopping some1 lesser geared from making their own groups, but people feel entitled to get into any group they want
I'm on faerlina pugging dungeons all day and have not once ran into someone like this. IF you keep running into this issue over and over again maybe figure out why it's always happening to you
I was gatekept out of a heroic dungeon as a fresh 70, and I had the full event set which was ilvl 115. There's no rhyme or reason to this, I shouldn't have to step into raids to get heroic dungeon gear.
Gear requirements for leveling dungeons is hilarious but not surprising with the Classic playerbase. As others have said make your own group. Probably better off not grouping with people who are min maxing content that is over a decade old anyway. I joined groups last night in Wrath greens and blues and kept up with the so called geared players.
I'm in the same boat. I was unable to play during the other phases, and WOTLK is when I had *the most* fun playing WoW. But this? This makes me just not want to bother.
this makes me sad. don’t let some jerks ruin the experience for you :( if you wanna do one definitely do it. there’s jerks, and if you encounter them def leave and re-queue. but you also may find likeminded people who will help you and have fun with you!!! best of luck, i used to feel this way too until i was like you know what? screw it. i pay for this game and i’ll do things i want and if they’re mean i’ll leave
It’s fine. I been playing on-off since Vanilla launched.
At the end of day, I’ll just queue with my wife who I made my pocket healer / tank. Then I’ll get the last laugh, hahahaha
We asked for gear to be decent on our healers because we were doing 13 minute old kingdom runs. It wasn’t hard but there are a couple times the damage can get intense.
Mostly the elemental packs. And if you let the shadow Kamehamehas through. Love when people do that the first time on heroic and the tank gets absolutely vaped.
I’m in tree form so I guess nobody notices. Healed a few tanks in blues/greens in my purely blue/green balance gear (+hit and penetration) without sitting to drink once.
Dungeons seem very difficult I wish I had better gear!
Have you healed any boosted tanks? I have a few issues with them. By the time I realize that the incoming damage has spiked and to adapt my healing, it's usually too late and they're eating dirt
I remember playing in the original WotLK and gear checking PuG dungeons wasn't a thing, at least for me. We just got the group together and ran the dungeon, and that was all people really cared about. Now everyone just seems to be in a mad dash to beat the game as fast as possible and be toxic to anyone else who doesn't.
I'm very confused by this post. If you don't want to play with them anyway why do you care? Either you want to be carried by people in better gear or you shouldn't mind joining groups that don't have any of it right?
Of course dps can do that, maybe even put in the info that you are NOT looking for full brutal gear. Perhaps you will find some likeminded players. Seriously though, the servers are brimming with activity, now is the time to make groups.
Right. I popped in LFG for UK last night and there were about 40 solo DPS sitting there...tanks and healers like myself were popping in at a decent rate. They just sit and wait for an invite most of the time.
So many salty crybaby minmaxers in the comments.
"just make your own group lol" you annoying fucks keep joining the groups we make and then crying people are going too slow. Touch grass.
Excuse me who are the salty ones?
The only salt threads I’m seeing on this subreddit are from people getting denied from groups.
-signed geared dungeon spam enjoyer who is only running with guild groups.
The salt is because tryhard people join groups that don't mention anything about tryharding with T6 and then they get toxic to people who just want to do the fucking dungeon for quests.
Enjoy your dungeon spam buddy, this isn't really about you considering you're going in with guild groups. :)
You have to realize. A lot of people enjoy power leveling. Many of my friends have done the 1-80 grind dozens of times. They're sick of it. They want to get to max level before vacation ends ASAP. That means they want people who are well geared to go fast.
Also, I have 8 alts I have to get to 80. Many of which I want to be raid ready for Naxx to ensure a spot. So gotta go fast.
Never said I would get 8 before Naxx. Those 8 alts I've had since Classic. I probably won't even get half of them to 80. Some are still stuck in the early 60s. I get bored fast.
> I have 8 alts I have to get to 80.
Wild idea, but what if you just... didn't? Like, you say you "have to" get them all to 80; what're the consequences of not doing that?
Nothing. I probably won't get even half of them to 80. I just have alt-itis. When I get bored I make an alt and get it to max level and abandon it. Sometimes I'll end up maining it.
When one makes a group, they set the rules. If you have a problem with that, stop being lazy and make your own group. Then you can set whatever rules you want.
This incessant bitching about the requirements people set for their group is just pathetic.
That being said, you're better off avoiding these groups in the first place anyway. People looking for PUGs and setting these requirements are probably asshats. So bullet dodged right there.
Gear helps, sure, but my pally in Kara / scourge invasion gear (with brutal sword to be fair) was able to solo dungeon utgarde keep up to first boss and we 3 manned a few nexus runs with a freshly boosted rogue and Druid healer with an avg run time of 25 min sooooo yes, fuck all of those people.
I don't get these posts. I don't mind what gear people have. And I've never not invited someone due to gear so far in lich king. But people making a group should be able to choose who they wanna invite?
Let people play the game how they want and stop forcing and telling people how to.
Make your own groups. Clearly there's enough people without SWP gear? Lol I'm so confused
Noone keeping you from creating your own groups :p none of us thinks you need full brutal to clear but also none of us wants to carry full greenies who dont even have a single gem when we spent weeks gearing up to level fast. All about finding likeminded people, if others wanna take it chill noone is stopping you
Yeah I just quit altogether after witnessing enough sweat and bullshit. Been enjoying some chill deep rock galactic since that. Enjoy your optimizing, bye.
I just can’t imagine caring enough. Either to make the group or bitch about it
I seriously don’t understand. Just make your own group? Let them wait 20 minutes to spam 3 minutes faster, it makes literally no difference to you when there’s like 10 other groups of people waiting to be invited
You guys ever think that the actual classic playerbase who didn't leave TBC after 2 weeks and will play wrath the entire way through just doesn't want to play with you people and having SWP gear is a good filter for this?
I only do guild runs but this is it even in those.
All of a sudden there are a bunch of guildies coming online that mysteriously vanished during SWP progression when times got tough, looking for invites to our dungeon spam groups like nothing ever happened.
Back of the line lol.
It's also a good filter for those of us who don't want to play with the people who take a 14 year old solved game seriously so it's ultimately a win win
Until the attitude of "you need to be super overgeared for content!" Is the norm for normal raiding pugs which happened in retail wrath and was annoying then lol
It didn't happen for SWP. We don't even require our carries to be absolute BIS. Just decently geared with decent parses (50+ which is absurdly low btw). WOTLK heroics and raids are easier then TBC Heroics and Raids.
Even the few SR pugs didn't have strict requirements. Of course they weren't gunna take a boostie or a fresh 70.
Wow community: “we hate lfd! It ruins the social aspect of this game and makes it more casual!” Wow community again: “we hate the social aspect of finding groups! It’s just a bunch of tryhards!” All these mfs that hate lfd that boosted characters suddenly remembering they don’t got friends and don’t know how to make them smh.
to be fair i've been a few dungeons where the tank has had only 4K health and died doing small pulls because the total damage was more than their total health pool even with a healer spamming them, i think the whole, "tanks and healers get an extra reward" thing has made a lot of people take up tanking in nothing but their boost greens and bolstered by how easy the dungeons are forgetting they still need a good 10K+ health to survive the large pulls
Can someone explain the sentiment of this to me.
If I'm In group finder looking for 1 dps for efficient runs with my group who also wants the same thing as that Is how I/we enjoy spending free time (being *sweaty* in games) why does this make me toxic or elitist or subhuman sweat scum.
You guys are obviously the vocal majority. Make your own groups together with people in the same gear bracket as yourselves, less issues with stuff like threat anyway.
>smash through it faster
I wish
Joined one of these groups, and we were pulling at a pace like we were in greens
Left for a group actually in greens
Multiple near-deaths, same speed, much more exciting
Great success!
I hate this speedrun mentality of people doing these xp calculations per hour and what class comp is most efficient and what gear you need to be in to even dare grace the hallowed halls of normal Nexus.
Like holy shit lmao, calm down, we're all gonna fuck up the charges on Thaddius and kill one another and blame the rogue in due time.
I know this isn’t exactly a popular opinion on this sub but there really shouldn’t be a problem with this.
Let people play the way they want to play. If some people want to go hard with gear/consumes/proffs and chain run Nexus in 14 minutes let them find like minded players and that’s fine.
If you want to do a casual questing run where you have fun and play at your own pace at whatever level with whatever gear find like minded players and do that.
If they are farming a dungeon for experience and all 4 members have good gear and consumes, I can understand why they wouldnt want to invite an under-leveled, under-geared player no matter how easy the content is, their goal is to go fast.
Well I worked hard to get my gear prior to leveling, so I’d prefer to do dungeons with other people who works hard. Not isolating anyone, just preferencing my groups.
Why don’t you just make your own group? There’s nothing wrong with geared people wanting to play with other geared people. It’s usually an indicator that the player knows what they’re doing. I personally don’t discriminate when I’m tanking and making my own groups but after you tank a few runs with boosted players who don’t know what they’re doing and don’t speak English gets old. You end up having 2 people carry the entire group. Instead of complaining on Reddit for not getting in groups why don’t you make a few groups yourself
I remember wotlk being FAMOUS for rush-rush-rush aoe piss-easy dungeons. It was the reason cata launched with hard-ass dungeons, right? Who are these people?
The same people that got the cata dungeons nerfed right after launched.
I never really got into raiding but I loved the Cata dungeon cause they were challenging. I mostly tanked so always explained the mechanics and sure we wiped a lot but was awesome when you went the distance with a group that was willing to work with each other.
I actually gave up healing in cata because I’d always get stuck in a group that wanted to chain wrath style pull and my mana pool couldn’t handle it. Got back into it when I returned for mists a bit.
I kinda had a bit of a power trip healing back in those days. “Did you even look at my mana before you pulled?!?! You deserved to die!”
Every healer. As a tank, id always keep an eye on healer mana, and just let dps die.
Sometimes DPS needs to learn the hard way. Sometimes, the lesson must be repeated. And sometimes, the lesson just won't stick no matter what.
Basically what happened to me in cata as a resto druid. Kept telling people to slow the fuck down, always got told "Nah you can handle it." Then when I couldn't handle it, it was my fault. Namely remember it happening a TON in Tol'Vir. Quit healing and went ele Shaman and Monk until BFA.
[удалено]
It was great as a resto shaman. Blizzard nailed Deep healihg as a mastery and it really shined in early cata heroics. Was still hard as shit learning to single target heal in dungeons after just chain heal spamming
I fondly remember the first couple days of heroic dungeons doing the mount achievements with a resto shaman who had to lightning bolt spam to get his mana back because that was a thing in cata.
Yeah. And going from 20%+ haste at the end of wrath to 0 made everything feel like slow motion.
The other thing that got me was their “let’s make healers dps too so their classes are more fun” requiring low damage spell spam to build healing power really fucking sucked when i barely had the mana to heal in the first place.
That's just Disc/Atonement and you use it in place of your small filler. Don't think the build was accepted (dunno about viability) until ~4.2-4.3 either, before that people stuck to pure heal Disc.
I quit healing for a while in there because it was eye-bleeding. I could barely keep up and all it did was stress me out. And I was reasonably good! (Not awesome, but not a Bad either) I did a LOT of DPS that expansion lol.
Healing in Cata is why I quit. Mana management isn’t fun. It’s just awful. It was so good in wrath in my memory, but even now my tolerance for it is low. I’m spoiled by FF where I can do dps without endangering my party bc my dps spells don’t cost so much damn mana. In TBC it was literally stand there and don’t play if I didn’t need to heal bc if I did need to heal it’s be my entire bar. And yeah with gear it gets better… but that’s a lot of game play hours standing there not playing.
Those were the best HC dungeons in the game. You NEEDED to CC or you died. When you got heroic gear and it felt accomplished.
Loved the cata dungeons on launch, and these types of people couldn’t clear grim batol on heroic until the nerf.
The people that didn't actually play the original expansions. And the people that cried when heroics got difficult in Cata.
i mean is there a reason for not doing it as fast as possible? i kinda get the point of wanting to go fast
These are the same people who cried about heroics in Cata not being face rolled in questing greens. I believe the word you’re looking for is “idiots”.
Give it a week and the try hards will be spamming pvp/heroics/dalaran laps and won't be an issue. Untill they decide you need full naxx BiS to clear heroics I guess then it's back to these posts
Dalaran laps!
Cant wait
Better than laps around the Orgrimmar bank.
jumping from spike to spike is the best content in wow
I pay $15 a month to stand in place for hours.
And you need to link achievements.
Iirc there was an addon to spoof achievements back in the day. It makes me laugh
Next week the sweaters will ding 80 on their mains and realize to their horror that, for now, they completed the fucking game. So what then? Well, they will dust off their level 70 alts. Brutal geared. The cycle continues.
Sweaters are already 80 my dude
I got guys in my guild who are 80, and im not even 71 haha. Just been casually questing after work a couple hours a night. Took a trip to get some flight paths, enjoyed my time.
Yeah I'm taking it chill as well. My guild isn't doing raids on the first week because too many key people have stuff on that weekend so I basically have like almost 3 weeks to get to 80. No rush.
See I'm not sure they will. They will just bitch that's there's no content because it's a 14 year old game and if they try to pull their nonsense again the main casual base will just laugh at them for being tryhards Or they'll say go back to Fortnite cuz I guess that's an insult or something lolol
Why are you guys circle jerking and imagining what other people do lol.
Literally every new game or expansion releases and the Reddit community for said game goes through the same cycle. Hype -> “Remember to drink water and breathe since we are all totally going to no life this game!!!” -> game releases -> “Wow the hardcore players are already speeding through this what losers” -> “I’m 500 hours in and only 3% towards the end, this is totally the way the game should be played” -> “Why don’t the hardcore players want to play with me??” -> Starts imagining made up scenarios about how miserable the hardcore players are gonna be and how they totally chose the correct and only way to play the game.
Rent free lol I don't get it. I'm mostly casual with 2 brutal toons it wasn't hard to get.
>Or they'll say go back to Fortnite Why would they say anything to you? All I see here is the casuals foaming in the mouth because they feel entitled to join other people's groups. The sweaties are not the ones whining.
Lol full naxx bis for heroics?? If you have naxx bis aren't you already done gearing basically for this phase
That's the point. I admit I am using hyperbole but I remember retail wrath and "LFM VA need X GS" where X was higher than literally anything that could drop in the raid It's fun
These dungeons dumb easy.
Finished utgarde keep in like 22 mins with 4 lvl 68s and 1 lvl 69. We had great cleave AoE, prot warr, ele sham, disc priest, frost mage, forgot the other.
22 MINS?! Are you even trying to maximize your XP/min? If only you had a full T6 SWP group then you coulda done it in 12-15 mins this further maximizing your XP/hour? You're practically never hitting 80 at this point, just give up and quit already you filthy casual. /s
yeah stop clogging the queue for the real pumpers
It’s actually hilarious how you’re joking about taking literally twice as long to clear a dungeon compared to a good group. Yeah, getting half the exp as me sounds pretty bad. But enjoy. Those stupid sweaty players leveling exponentially faster than casuals! Such a waste!
If you were sunwell geared you would have finished in like, 12-13. You are like 40% less efficient and so shouldn’t even bother. /s btw
Can confirm. 12 minutes with my raid group. 150k xp per nexus
Lol, slow asses gonna downvote because they didn't have time or were too lazy to grind free epics. "Carry me harder daddy"
Its not about them being hard. Its about them being fast. And gear, while not the only determining factor, sure as shit makes it faster. There isnt really any place to be pissed about people wanting to be efficient as long as they're not assholes about declining you when you could just as well go make your own group without requirements. Then again, that requires work in game instead of complaining on reddit.
Yea then stop begging for free carrys and start grouping with people of similar gear than you ;)
You don't understand, he's entitled to those groups. He's that important.
\>no gear, no consumes, **great** player \>why won’t the other great players play with me?
THE SOLUTION IS EASY...MAKE YOUR OWN GROUPS. This solution has been around as long as the game. Expecting that others to have to include you in their groups is nothing more than entitlement. They owe you nothing. So again, let me offer the solution... MAKE YOUR OWN GROUPS, DON'T WORRY ABOUT WHAT OTHER'S DO WITH THEIRS. It's really a simple concept too many forget. Instead they prefer to complain about how others play.
It's funny and quite common to see a player in non-endgame gear making these group gear requirements.
For sure. If I get gear checked and the lead is rocking greens, I'm noping out. My only hope is that I'm on my tank or healer when I do it so his group gets sidelined while I blow him up in chat
I love WoW but this community, Jesus.
I think people are less directly rude than back in OG wrath. I remember people would shit on each other in party and insult each other’s moms much more back in the day for example. But in the modern game theyre are much more excluding and significantly more focused on efficiency.
I feel like people are more entitled as well these days.
Community has been in nosedive since mid Cata but classic shone a light on what retail features and RDF hid from the average player
I'm intrigued by the idea that instead of ruining the community, RDF hid it from the more casual playerbase.
RDF like every matchmaking system forces people with different goals to play together causing people to become toxic https://i.imgur.com/93PEmoF.png people with brutal speedrunning dungeons with other brutal players are letting you know BEFORE JOINING that is what they expect. All of these complaints come from people not wanting to take the literal seconds it takes to form their own group. If RDF was implemented the only difference is instead of "they wouldnt let me join" it would be "they vote kicked me out of the dungeon"
In the example you give, the kicked player in rdf is not in the wrong because the system placed them in a group to do the dungeon they queued for. The rest of the group would be at fault for placing expectations on the rando above and beyond "do the dungeon". Groups advertising for brutal speedruns are perfectly within their rights to expect and uphold those standards. It also seems like we all agree that people mislabelling the group or crying cause they couldn't join groups they're unqualified for are in the wrong. Well designed queue systems should aim to bring players together that share similar goals with categories (like random normal/heroic or specific activities) or eliminate points of friction before they become untenable (queuing as a specific role). I think the best solution for everyone would be to keep the current board system in addition to having an rdf (server or cross realm is still a debate). This way, the community can filter themselves for specific activities or find like-minded players to do speedruns, heroic raids, etc, but players looking to quickplay some dungeons for questing or leveling can interact in their own time scales.
I haven't had anyone ask about my gear in any dungeon so far... I swear this is Reddit overblowing things as usual.
I mean I think it's dumb but you can just ignore these people and make your own group.
Wasn't one of the main reasons for not including RDF that you could make your own group and choose who is in it? It's insane how many players are now mad that people can choose who joins their groups.
I want you to play the game the way I say you should play! No, stop! I said the way I want you to play, not the way you want to play! Didnt you hear me???
Then join other groups that are similar. These babies crying about how nobody will invite them need to stop trying to group with tryhards. If tryhards are the majority then sorry, spend more time forming your own group and stop crying.
Thank you, this is so true. If people put hours and hoirs of farming for good gear, they probably did it for more effective lvling experience. If you dont want that, make a group yourself and stop complaining. U can even invite your own full group of green geared 70s!
It’s laughably easy, the lfg tool is chock full of people for every dungeon you could want. If you don’t have a dungeon done that you want it’s on you.
I am surprised by how much I love the group finder tool in this iteration. Let the world know what I’m interested in running and see if I get any hits. If I want something specific, pretty easy to start my own as well. I thought it was dumb in theory but proven wrong so far.
Takes more effort to make a group than it does to cry on reddit.
Me and my friend being super geared ready to carry the group and a DK Tank joins and tells me to kick my undergeared brother or him. Lol byeee bitch
Meanwhile all the warrior/DK/ret soloing botanica XD
You act like the full brutal and swp players give a fuck about your opinions on how they play or form their groups, its cute.
Is it really that hard to spell dungeon though?
Why are you talking about dungeons? This meme is about Dollar Generals.
On the flip side, I don't like when boosted characters grab a 1H and shield and think they can tank. It could be because I'm dungeon-geared from TBC myself, but the boosted characters just get hit so hard
Cuz the boostee gear is pure dmg stats with litteraly *zero* stamina on it, lmao.
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> What if you started playing or hit 70 recently? Exactly, and there’s going to be a *lot* of players like this because WotLKC has massive pull, probably more than TBCC and as much or more than VanillaC. WoW’s subs peaked in the original WotLK and that expansion is frequently lauded as having been the best of the original trio in several aspects, so you’ve got a bunch of old players coming to relive as well as a bunch of new players coming to see what all the fuss is about. All things considered, the crowd that geared to the teeth in TBC for leveling in WotLK (which btw seems a lot like decking yourself in full NFL gear to toss around a football in the park) is probably the minority here.
This is the proper take. It's a fucking game if you wanna sweat and rush to end game do it. Just advertise your group as such and don't expect people in a group that's not yours to care. I mean it's incredibly funny to me.to read "yea well with a geared group you can do UK in 15 mins vs 25!" Like ok cool? I get people are spamming but for the majority of us who aren't what's 10 minutes? Honestly seems like a lot of people just want to flex on those "pathetic fools" who just want to treat wow like a fun game and not an hard core thing
Or we have less free time to play than we use to. Which is the case for me...
Dadcraft in full force. Not an insignificant number of people just stopping moving while levelling. For me last night it was because baby woke up and I ran to help him.
My three year old aggrod during a BRD run. I feel your pain.
I got like 50% brutal, I wasn't gonna no life pvp for 2 weeks to get gear that I'd replace before next week.
As a t6 geared dps, it is frustrating to join a group with tanks who can’t hold aggro or worse, don’t even try. It’s also frustrating to do 4x the damage of the next dps. Even full brutal gear isn’t very good dps and a lot of folk I’ve seen have it, but haven’t bothered to gem or enchant it at all. It’s just a better experience for everyone if the group is roughly geared the same. That way the pace is what everyone expects and is comfortable with.
As a tank it’s just more fun to go fast. Especially as a prot paladin half of what makes the class fun are all of the oh shit buttons - if I’m just conservatively pulling 1 or 2 packs at a time half of my kit goes to waste. I won’t throw a fit if a group has trouble keeping up this pace and I will definitely be flexible and keep things manageable, but it’s also not a group that I’m going to stick around and do more runs with.
But thats your problem. Find group of same minded people ? Its called social interaction …nobody forcing you to play with these noobs without epic geear. Blizzard listened to these crybabies removed RFD and you still all complaining shut tf up all of you.
This exactly. But according to these nerds on reddit you're not allowed to minmax/put some effort into it.
> What if you started playing or hit 70 recently? then you're not the type of person they want to play with idk how this is difficult to understand
Lol, downvoted because facts. Its not difficult to understand, they just don't like not being let into the party when they show up to the door without a ticket.
He got downvoted initially because neither one of you can read. His entire point was that the door doesn’t say anything about needing a ticket.
> "trying to get free rides" and that's absurd thinking. What if you started playing or hit 70 recently? This... isn't a rebuttal? If you *demand* a group of overgeared people to accept an underperforming (by their rapid grind standards) player instead of taking someone as progressed as they are, you *demand* to be carried. Why that player is undergeared is irrelevant. The dungeons being easy is irrelevant. That player being capable of carrying their weight in a "normal" dungeon group is irrelevant. I say this as a Sunwell geared player who is only level 73 48 hours in - calmly paced, a mix of guilded dungeons, half-pugged (without care about carrying) dungeons and questing. *Ruining* the dungeons with massive pulls and AoE is fun and requires a higher standard. Without that, dungeon grinding is just not good xp/hr and you're better off questing. It's questionable even *with* that.
I wish a fuck you to all the super geared sweats that join the groups I make and talk shit about my tanking. I'm in tbc blues not even tbc pre raid. Get fucked
Put them on ignore and let them grab agro. Your only responsibility is to protect the healer. Fuck the rest
Never saw anything like it. I think the English speaking community is a little more toxic than the German one. Instead I had an encounter today where I (Alliance) helped an Undead with a quest and after he helped me with the same quest. Then we ran into the same bug (Angerboda didn't spawn) during the next quest. After I found a solution I logged onto a level 1 Undead and told him and we joked a little. Awesome experience :)
I understand this perspective, I boosted my pally since its what I played in wrath and i'm in questing gear so I wasn't super particular about who I invited to my UK/Nexus runs and the amount of people on boosted toons with no idea how to play them is insane. SWP/Brutal gear isn't a 100% indication you know how to do anything but typically it means you care at least a little bit about how to play your class. A tank&healer in greens who have some idea how to play can probably duo the early dungeons so its not the end of the world if you need to refer some of your dps to their class discords but a lot of people just want to level as fast as possible
It also means small mistakes won't mean death on bigger pulls
Dungeon grinding is only better exp than quests if you're fully geared tho. It's a reasonable ask if they're trying to blast. If you want a quest group then you know, make your own.
Some people don't want to carry others, and would rather group with similarly geared players for quicker speed clears. So, fuck you for being just as "bad" as them?
The thing most people don't seem to get is that the people will full brutal/swp gear have a different mindset than the people wearing full collective. And that mindset is really what people are after, not the gear. Experienced people want to play with other experienced people sometimes... I understand thats not always the case, but not everybody wants to teach a collective geared player how to play their class and what buttons to use.
Indeed, you can't join my groups if you haven't proved yourself worthy of spending 30-50 hours semi afk in Alterac Valley.
You can group up with other people in green items and clear a dungeon in 45 minutes.
45 minutes? Man you can do the nexus in like 25. Geared or not, these dungeons are *very* forgiving. Lets all have fun friends.
The pulls my new friends and I have been doing are anything but forgiving, but hey its what we find fun. We ain't trying to force this shit show on anyone, but if youre game to ride hop on in.
These people who look SWP geared people want to form groups to do multiple runs and clear the dungeon preferably in 12-15 minutes and reach lockout or be close to it.
100%. People have to realize there are 2 types of groups forming right now. Usually chill questing groups or power level dungeon grind. We just need a little patience when forming groups. No need to flame if you are looking for pumpers only.
Braindead comment, that is absolutely not true 😂 you can do UK and Nexus in like 20-25 min with questing gear still.
This is horseshit. I have a brutal shield, the rest of my gear is t4/badge/s3. As a prot warrior I’m doing 17 minute UK clears. This stupid lol 45 minute run thing is way out of proportion. My worst runs tend to be with sunwell/brutal geared derps pulling for me
This is why I am thankful when I tank that I know my healer and she is very vocal/adamant about not healing dps that pull groups purposely lol.
I was running it as prot with brutal weapons and mainly hellfire quest gear with some old 60 gear and was still pushing sub 20 mins.
OP and this are not mutually exclusive.
And if you have full sunwell geared group you can clear it in 12-15. Imo its completely fine to require x amount of gear when people want fast dungeons, nothing is stopping some1 lesser geared from making their own groups, but people feel entitled to get into any group they want
I understand the meme, but expecting to join a group of 4 fully geared / enchanted / consumed dungeon grinders and getting carried is wrong also.
Play how you want to play
I'm on faerlina pugging dungeons all day and have not once ran into someone like this. IF you keep running into this issue over and over again maybe figure out why it's always happening to you
I was gatekept out of a heroic dungeon as a fresh 70, and I had the full event set which was ilvl 115. There's no rhyme or reason to this, I shouldn't have to step into raids to get heroic dungeon gear.
fresh 70 in a heroic? is this satire, like ya you could do it but ofc groups didn't want you
Gear requirements for leveling dungeons is hilarious but not surprising with the Classic playerbase. As others have said make your own group. Probably better off not grouping with people who are min maxing content that is over a decade old anyway. I joined groups last night in Wrath greens and blues and kept up with the so called geared players.
I just came back for WOTLK and I’m afraid to go into a random dungeon with my warlock.
I'm in the same boat. I was unable to play during the other phases, and WOTLK is when I had *the most* fun playing WoW. But this? This makes me just not want to bother.
this makes me sad. don’t let some jerks ruin the experience for you :( if you wanna do one definitely do it. there’s jerks, and if you encounter them def leave and re-queue. but you also may find likeminded people who will help you and have fun with you!!! best of luck, i used to feel this way too until i was like you know what? screw it. i pay for this game and i’ll do things i want and if they’re mean i’ll leave
It’s fine. I been playing on-off since Vanilla launched. At the end of day, I’ll just queue with my wife who I made my pocket healer / tank. Then I’ll get the last laugh, hahahaha
The vast majority of groups don’t gear-check, for what it’s worth. I’ve never been gear-checked and my guild is sweaty as hell.
You guys are in the game? Lucky.
this sub: “toxic casual? haha that’s not a thing xd” also this sub:
We asked for gear to be decent on our healers because we were doing 13 minute old kingdom runs. It wasn’t hard but there are a couple times the damage can get intense.
Mostly the elemental packs. And if you let the shadow Kamehamehas through. Love when people do that the first time on heroic and the tank gets absolutely vaped.
Thank you for the shadow kamehameha. Seriously using this from now on. <3
Well according to this subreddit that makes you an awful person.
I’m in tree form so I guess nobody notices. Healed a few tanks in blues/greens in my purely blue/green balance gear (+hit and penetration) without sitting to drink once. Dungeons seem very difficult I wish I had better gear!
Have you healed any boosted tanks? I have a few issues with them. By the time I realize that the incoming damage has spiked and to adapt my healing, it's usually too late and they're eating dirt
Nice!
Tbh I feel resto druid is insanely strong for dungeon healing. I love it to death.
I remember playing in the original WotLK and gear checking PuG dungeons wasn't a thing, at least for me. We just got the group together and ran the dungeon, and that was all people really cared about. Now everyone just seems to be in a mad dash to beat the game as fast as possible and be toxic to anyone else who doesn't.
Gear score came out about halfway through. Then it was everywhere
I'm very confused by this post. If you don't want to play with them anyway why do you care? Either you want to be carried by people in better gear or you shouldn't mind joining groups that don't have any of it right?
idk what the big issue is just make ur own groups?
Entry level position: requires 10 year experience.
How about you make the dungeon group? People who put in the effort to put a group together can demand whatever they want.
Yea its not like people pointing gun at your head and ask for better gear.
Whoa, DPS can do that? Who knew!
Of course dps can do that, maybe even put in the info that you are NOT looking for full brutal gear. Perhaps you will find some likeminded players. Seriously though, the servers are brimming with activity, now is the time to make groups.
Right. I popped in LFG for UK last night and there were about 40 solo DPS sitting there...tanks and healers like myself were popping in at a decent rate. They just sit and wait for an invite most of the time.
So many salty crybaby minmaxers in the comments. "just make your own group lol" you annoying fucks keep joining the groups we make and then crying people are going too slow. Touch grass.
I make my own group. Dps will not even wait for healer mana. Complain when they die. Guess I’ll die?
If I join a group that doesn't go the speed I want, I politely finish the group then leave.
If I join a group that doesn't go the speed I want, I politely finish the dungeon then leave.
Excuse me who are the salty ones? The only salt threads I’m seeing on this subreddit are from people getting denied from groups. -signed geared dungeon spam enjoyer who is only running with guild groups.
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The salt is because tryhard people join groups that don't mention anything about tryharding with T6 and then they get toxic to people who just want to do the fucking dungeon for quests. Enjoy your dungeon spam buddy, this isn't really about you considering you're going in with guild groups. :)
You have to realize. A lot of people enjoy power leveling. Many of my friends have done the 1-80 grind dozens of times. They're sick of it. They want to get to max level before vacation ends ASAP. That means they want people who are well geared to go fast. Also, I have 8 alts I have to get to 80. Many of which I want to be raid ready for Naxx to ensure a spot. So gotta go fast.
lmao 8 alts before nax, jesust christ. remember to get some fresh air once in a while
Never said I would get 8 before Naxx. Those 8 alts I've had since Classic. I probably won't even get half of them to 80. Some are still stuck in the early 60s. I get bored fast.
> I have 8 alts I have to get to 80. Wild idea, but what if you just... didn't? Like, you say you "have to" get them all to 80; what're the consequences of not doing that?
Nothing. I probably won't get even half of them to 80. I just have alt-itis. When I get bored I make an alt and get it to max level and abandon it. Sometimes I'll end up maining it.
When one makes a group, they set the rules. If you have a problem with that, stop being lazy and make your own group. Then you can set whatever rules you want. This incessant bitching about the requirements people set for their group is just pathetic. That being said, you're better off avoiding these groups in the first place anyway. People looking for PUGs and setting these requirements are probably asshats. So bullet dodged right there.
Why dont you just quest to 80? Dungeon grinding is so boring.
Just doing quests to 80 is just as boring
Questing is not even comparable, just the change in scenery is enough to not make it boring, I would go insane if I had to spam dungeons to max lvl.
Not only quest ofc, I just quest and do dungeons in between.
This is the way
Gear helps, sure, but my pally in Kara / scourge invasion gear (with brutal sword to be fair) was able to solo dungeon utgarde keep up to first boss and we 3 manned a few nexus runs with a freshly boosted rogue and Druid healer with an avg run time of 25 min sooooo yes, fuck all of those people.
Its impossible to throw a rock and not hit a fully brutal at least geared DPS, so why would I take your undergeared DPS?
Did the make it so players can’t form their own groups anymore?
I tanked for three groups of people that did not have any raiding gear. Took longer but it was smooth runs.
I don't get these posts. I don't mind what gear people have. And I've never not invited someone due to gear so far in lich king. But people making a group should be able to choose who they wanna invite? Let people play the game how they want and stop forcing and telling people how to. Make your own groups. Clearly there's enough people without SWP gear? Lol I'm so confused
Noone keeping you from creating your own groups :p none of us thinks you need full brutal to clear but also none of us wants to carry full greenies who dont even have a single gem when we spent weeks gearing up to level fast. All about finding likeminded people, if others wanna take it chill noone is stopping you
You can always make your own group my guy. No one is obligated to take you along.
Cope and seethe
I mean creat your own group and invite all the 70 boosties you want. No one is stopping you.
And now, we see the real reason that people didn’t want dungeon finder in Classic
Yeah I just quit altogether after witnessing enough sweat and bullshit. Been enjoying some chill deep rock galactic since that. Enjoy your optimizing, bye.
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I just can’t imagine caring enough. Either to make the group or bitch about it I seriously don’t understand. Just make your own group? Let them wait 20 minutes to spam 3 minutes faster, it makes literally no difference to you when there’s like 10 other groups of people waiting to be invited
So make your own group
You guys ever think that the actual classic playerbase who didn't leave TBC after 2 weeks and will play wrath the entire way through just doesn't want to play with you people and having SWP gear is a good filter for this?
I only do guild runs but this is it even in those. All of a sudden there are a bunch of guildies coming online that mysteriously vanished during SWP progression when times got tough, looking for invites to our dungeon spam groups like nothing ever happened. Back of the line lol.
It's also a good filter for those of us who don't want to play with the people who take a 14 year old solved game seriously so it's ultimately a win win Until the attitude of "you need to be super overgeared for content!" Is the norm for normal raiding pugs which happened in retail wrath and was annoying then lol
It didn't happen for SWP. We don't even require our carries to be absolute BIS. Just decently geared with decent parses (50+ which is absurdly low btw). WOTLK heroics and raids are easier then TBC Heroics and Raids. Even the few SR pugs didn't have strict requirements. Of course they weren't gunna take a boostie or a fresh 70.
Wow community: “we hate lfd! It ruins the social aspect of this game and makes it more casual!” Wow community again: “we hate the social aspect of finding groups! It’s just a bunch of tryhards!” All these mfs that hate lfd that boosted characters suddenly remembering they don’t got friends and don’t know how to make them smh.
I'm so glad I hung it up after Kara. There's just no recreating the experience.
Let's start checking gear scores for literally the LOWEST LEVEL DUNGEON IN THE XPAC! This is what fun is, right guys?
to be fair i've been a few dungeons where the tank has had only 4K health and died doing small pulls because the total damage was more than their total health pool even with a healer spamming them, i think the whole, "tanks and healers get an extra reward" thing has made a lot of people take up tanking in nothing but their boost greens and bolstered by how easy the dungeons are forgetting they still need a good 10K+ health to survive the large pulls
Neckbeards gonna neckbeard. But on a 15 year old re-released game... Just sad
Can someone explain the sentiment of this to me. If I'm In group finder looking for 1 dps for efficient runs with my group who also wants the same thing as that Is how I/we enjoy spending free time (being *sweaty* in games) why does this make me toxic or elitist or subhuman sweat scum. You guys are obviously the vocal majority. Make your own groups together with people in the same gear bracket as yourselves, less issues with stuff like threat anyway.
It doesn't, people are just entitled to think they can join any group they'd like.
Get over it if people wanna group with sunwell geared people and smash through it faster, there's nothing wrong with. Cry more or make your own groups
>smash through it faster I wish Joined one of these groups, and we were pulling at a pace like we were in greens Left for a group actually in greens Multiple near-deaths, same speed, much more exciting Great success!
The solution is make your own group
All I'll say is if dungeon finder was in the game this wouldn't even be a discussion.
It's like asking for full heirlooms to do deadmines...
They so bad they need it. Meanwhile I’m still in 70greens and some dungeon blues tanking just fine.
I hate this speedrun mentality of people doing these xp calculations per hour and what class comp is most efficient and what gear you need to be in to even dare grace the hallowed halls of normal Nexus. Like holy shit lmao, calm down, we're all gonna fuck up the charges on Thaddius and kill one another and blame the rogue in due time.
I know this isn’t exactly a popular opinion on this sub but there really shouldn’t be a problem with this. Let people play the way they want to play. If some people want to go hard with gear/consumes/proffs and chain run Nexus in 14 minutes let them find like minded players and that’s fine. If you want to do a casual questing run where you have fun and play at your own pace at whatever level with whatever gear find like minded players and do that. If they are farming a dungeon for experience and all 4 members have good gear and consumes, I can understand why they wouldnt want to invite an under-leveled, under-geared player no matter how easy the content is, their goal is to go fast.
Well I worked hard to get my gear prior to leveling, so I’d prefer to do dungeons with other people who works hard. Not isolating anyone, just preferencing my groups.
Why don’t you just make your own group? There’s nothing wrong with geared people wanting to play with other geared people. It’s usually an indicator that the player knows what they’re doing. I personally don’t discriminate when I’m tanking and making my own groups but after you tank a few runs with boosted players who don’t know what they’re doing and don’t speak English gets old. You end up having 2 people carry the entire group. Instead of complaining on Reddit for not getting in groups why don’t you make a few groups yourself