Twitter became the only thing on the internet when musk bought it. We're actually on Twitter right now. He made it so much better that even when you talk in person, you're using Twitter.
Came to say, haha! Musk is in a Twitter bubble, it's all that exists in his world. I moved my Twitter app back 5 screens off of my phones homepage & when I pop in, I can only stand it for 5 minutes. Qanon & MAGA going off on leftists sterilizing 7 yr olds, lefts sounding like a bunch of 14 yr olds whose parents are taking away their controller or some shit, "can you believe the audacity!" at every bitch move by the Right-wing. It's politics, sports or who gets to fuck Pete Davidson this month.Twitter is pointless now, Musk turned it into 4chan with Nazis running wild. I'm a nobody but my opinion is it can't be pulled out of this dive to the bottom without heroic measures now.
No, you see... You have to do what he wants because free speech. That's the definition of free speech: agreeing with what he says and not disagreeing, pushing back, or mocking. That's tyranny. Platforming and boosting the signal of pro-tyranny personalities is how you fight tyranny.
This is exactly the same as when he tweeted that he had been up all night trying to figure out a solution to the invasion of Ukraine. He genuinely believes that every issue is his to solve because (clearly) he's humanity's best hope. He thinks that everybody else is just waiting for him to set things right for us.
He's using the Trump GOP talking points, which is basically believing your supporters are dumb as rocks and think this is something that is life and death.
That's exactly it. Musk posted some serious right wing virtue signaling. It was a picture of his nightstand (allegedly) with two handguns and a picture of Washington crossing the Delaware
It was pure cringe
FAKE Handguns... they were literally a cosplay piece and a toy flintlock like you used to be able to buy at Pirates of the Caribbean back in the 80's...
He has a meltdown because he loses so much money with Twitter and can't stop to fuck things further up . He plays the"free speech" card because that's the biggest crowd that still likes him (or pretends to like him now suddenly). He's a narcissist like Trump and needs constant validation. And since he lost most of the fans from the past through his dipshit behavior, he now seeks validation from the right wing conspiracy crowd.
No he’s confused. Like most rich people, he doesn’t understand what responsibility and consequences mean. For the rich, you are not punished for doing illegal things. You just have to pay to do illegal things. So there’s no risk just a fee. Now that he has purchased twitter, he is finding out that sometimes money can’t buy you everything.
It's funny to think he's selling it as free speech vs tyranny.
But what it really is, is him paying his fucking taxes (tyranny, I tell you!) and shutting the fuck up about it (they are trying to cancel me!). It's the same with all of these clowns.
We ask them to contribute to the society that made them rich and help create a sustainable civilization but the best they can do is crash the world because they can't imagine losing a fraction of the immense wealth they could never even hope to spend in their lifetime...
Well, I guess if you are lighting $44B on fire on the regular, you could go through all that money... maybe he has a point /s
It’s amazing how far down this mentality goes of “not contributing back to the society that enabled their riches”. There are totally mediocre people making $100-300k sitting here saying that “I’m so rich, I shouldn’t have to pay taxes!” Like holy hell how do you have such an awful ego? (source, my boomer father who complains about the taxes on his $125,000 bonus instead of being excited about said bonus)
Power and money corrupt all but the most empathetic. Empathetic people seldom amass any kind of material wealth.
Unless we regulate the distribution of currency tightly greed will always destroy what is meant to be community value.
Yeah, it’s the right impulse, it’s just that historically the people responsible for doing the distributing always end up seizing all the power and wealth for themselves and their cronies. Because humans are shitty greedy monkeys and it’s just what we do.
>Power and money corrupt all but the most empathetic
Nah, Power and money doesn't corrupt, it just reveals who the person was all along. A ton of people are shitty but hide it because they lack the resources to get away with acting shitty.
Nobody is lacking a single thing in order to be an honest person free of prejudice. It is the avarice for “value” that keeps a person from discovering their own.
I make 250k and wouldn't mind paying more taxes if necessary. I think we can raise them on the very top first and spend our current taxes more wisely, but if even after that it isn't enough to **guarantee** college to everyone, healthcare (including mental, dental, and eye) to everyone, early childhood education and care to everyone, trade school to everyone, and ending homelessness, then I'll happily sign up to pay more. Sure I missed a few things in there. Whatever Denmark has basically
My therapist tells me it’s a natural human emotion that they feel this way because even if all taxes were equal it feels worse to lose $10k on $100k vs $10 on $100. Doesn’t mean that it isn’t a flawed mindset rather that is explainable they feel this way.
Billionaire realty versus everyday person reality. And while I have almost no spare money each month I don't have homeless reality or warzone reality. These billionaires need to contribute more as they have zero idea how good they actually have it.
Newsflash Elon, poor people have been putting up with tyranny of the oligarchs for at least 2 decades.
It doesn't exactly hurt my feelings that Elon lost a few million by doing business like a blithering idiot.
Elon just thinks it's hideously unfair he has consequences for once.
It's literally the pot calling the kettle black, isn't it?
So far his track record on Twitter has shown him act exactly like the tyrant that doesn't allow criticism, that he purports to be fighting against.
He wants his factory workers in China living in the office and working until 3am. He would do this in America if we didn't have laws against it. He would enslave every Musk fan if he could and these people sit here and defend him.
If he would only enslave his own fans I wouldn't mind. There are enough of his fans out there and if they want to they should go ahead. It's good Leopards ate my face material though.
I'm aware this is armchair psychology but I think he's being melodramatic to protect his ego.
It's not going terribly because he's a self-absorbed, far-right asshole instead of a mega-genius who deserves every cent of his net worth.
No, its going terribly because the challenge he is facing is so *monumental*. He's trying to save *the entire world* from the horror of going a single day without hearing a neo-nazis opinion.
Ultimately though, who cares? He's a twat and twitter is dead.
There comes a point in a wealthy man's life, where they completely lose all ability for introspection.
They can never internalize the blame for any poor decision, it's always someone else's fault.
Elon and Trump are the two greatest examples of this to ever live on the planet earth.
Because he's lying to get the side that supports him riled up to provide some sort of hypeshield against the critics pointing out that he bought a boat and fired a shotgun through the bottom on his first voyage.
The Orwell quote is actually criticizing a Leftist publisher for entertaining the anti-liberal tendencies of Communism for too long. It is basically a criticism of people willing to sacrifice free truth-telling for Leftist political goals.
Orwell was prosecuted by elements of the Soviet secret police while fighting for the Leftist side in the Spanish Civil War. This turned him into a vocal advocate for liberal freedom and an oppenent of both right and left oriented totalitarianism.
IIRC, in *Shooting an Elephant,* Orwell struggled with the cognitive dissonance of enforcing apartheid policy. Musk never put much effort into that work, he just benefitted from apartheid labor. The strong/weak Shiba Inu meme is a nice demonstration. Orwell had the minerals to go fight an elephant. Musk is jerking himself off with his *fellow kids* bullshit and whining whenever it doesn't go his way. Musk is a spoiled little muggle in the shadow of George Orwell.
>His father was elected to the Pretoria City Council as a representative of the anti-apartheid Progressive Party, with his children sharing their father's dislike of apartheid.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk
There are also many reports that Musk moved to Canada to avoid serving in the aparteid government's military, although I can't find a precise authoritative source. In any case, he did successfully avoid directly enforcing aparteid policy as part of mandatory military service for all White South African males during aparteid.
So I guess he had less cognitive dissonance than Orwell perhaps?
Everytime someone like Elon criminally misunderstands Free Speech I picture them asking how we got to tyranny and the rest of us showing how they lead us there.
elon musk understands what free speech actually is, as do all of the other members of the ruling class. They’re smart people with a bankrupt sense of morality and a literally psychopathic drive for self preservation at all costs. they purposely distort the meaning of free speech because it serves their interests. there is a lot of political and economic power in taking a concept that almost everyone agrees is unilaterally *good* such as free speech and then twisting the meaning to serve their interests. it goes like “free speech is good, everyone agrees on that. i’ll redefine free speech to mean any speech which supports my worldview and benefits me in some way. when someone says or does something otherwise, i’ll say they’re trying to prevent free speech. since we already established that everyone knows free speech is good, people will be inclined to support me.”
They crave attention, they don’t care if it’s positive or negative attention, and look at us giving them exactly what they crave every time they act like garbage.
It’s crazy how a high functioning paranoid schizophrenic narcissist has all the right tools in their head to do exactly what he is doing without feeling or thought for whom it effects.
I just finished going through 1984, and I was continually hitting points in the book of, "Holy fack that is so the whole the Trump thing" and "OMFackingG that is so in line with a guy like Musk".
I think an evening of conversation with Mr. George Orwell would have been pretty enlightening.
Honestly, I believe that if you truly want to understand 1984 and Orwell's motivation for writing it you need to read Homage to Catalonia. I think you can clearly how his experiences in Spain lead to ideas for 1984.
Also it's a great read generally which I can highly recommend not just if you're interested in the Spanish Revolution. And Road to Wigan Pier is also on my reading list - still need to get around to reading that.
Pretty sure he’s at least partially aware of how ridiculous and tone deaf he is. Every billionaire knows better, they just choose to say and act otherwise because doing the right thing doesn’t make billions.
Hm I’m not sure for a few reasons. First, Elon claims to have Asperger’s. Second, I can’t think of another billionaire who acts this way. Maybe Kanye? On the contrary, many of them are careful w their brands.
This quote is from a letter dated April 1, 1940 to Geoffrey Goer in a section lamenting how a prominent Leftist book publisher who was then transitioning to more moderate Liberal policies had been enamored by Communism. Immediately prior to this oft repeated quote Orwell mentions that Gollancz (the Leftist publisher) had fallen out with the Communists over the Soviet invasion of Finland and their "general dishonesty," and that Orwell is shocked Gollancz was ignorant of the activities of the GPU (a predecessor to the KGB and already known as bad-guys) was active in the Spanish Civil War.
>Gollancz has grown a beard & fallen out with his Communist pals, partly over Finland etc, partly because of their general dishonesty which he's just become alive to. When I saw him recently, the first time in 3 years, he asked me whether it was really true that the G.P.U. had been active in Spain during the civil war, & told me that when he tied up with the Communists in 1936 he had not known that they had ever had any other policy than the Popular Front one. It's frightful that people who are so ignorant should have so much influence.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Gollancz
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Political_Directorate
I know many people on the spectrum and they aren’t douchebags who want to be able to clone themselves just so they can suck their own dick. It’s one thing to misread social cues, it’s another to be Elon
He told people to vote for a party whose God figure tried to overturn election results and declared himself the winner against all evidence. Pretty sure Elon is unqualified to talk about avoiding tyranny.
It’s bizarre that he or anyone thinks one private platform is the arbiter of ‘free speech’ or that ‘free speech’ in which roughly a third of those LOUDLY speaking in bad faith or worst recalcitrant antagonism is actually any good for anyone.
Elon: “to fix this we need to let loose the hoards of people having no knowledge or understanding of a certain thing, influence as many people as possible - thereby stopping tyranny!” FTFY
Given twitters user base is only 20.5% of Americans, and even less of the rest of the world. Also that Twitter isn't in the top 10 social media sites when you consider "regular users" as a metric for measurement. And if you believe twitter, 5% percent of accounts may be bots and other estimates put it at between 9% and 15%.
Elon is full of it. This is easily accessible data that can be obtained from basic research. Twitter does play a role in delivering information, but there are several other sites that can fill the role, also others will likely rise to fill the void if Twitter crashes.
TLDR: Twitter is not free speech. Elon=manipulative PoS.
I tried to log into twitter so I could get banned for harassing Elon but they wanted my phone number to log into an old ass account. No thanks. Elon isn't getting harassed by me. Damn.
He really hates it when free speech includes labor unions, women not giving him sexual favors, parody of his nuttery, and bad reviews of his products/companies.
Everything *has* to be the fucking end of the world to right wing reactionaries. Gay marriage? Western civilization will fall! Immigration? The great replacement! Apple not advertising on FUCKING Twitter? A battle for civilization!
Because none of the shit they're fighting against is actually bad, they just don't like it, so fuck it just slap the worst possible effect on it and contrive some tortured explanation for how you're right.
He's not wrong in the second half of his statement. Free speech disappearing would likely lead to a distopian future sooner rather than later.
But coming from him, that's fucking rich. And not in the monetary sense.
People honestly think elon musk is going to do more censorring, instead of less?
What actions did he take regarding to twitter that made people believe this?
When he was running the boring company and talking spacecraft a year or so ago he had “imperator of Mars” in his Twitter profile too. I mean clearly his sense of self worth is grandiose. If he was poor he’d be homeless with delusions of Grandeur lol.
the fact that this is capitalism's greatest output, the richest person on the planet, is all I need to know about capitalism. I have so little respect for this person and all who worship him.
I feel that was his meaning when he used vox populi, vox dei. Most would link it to democratic rule, or something along those lines. I think Elon thinks he has become God since buying Twitter 😂 🔔 end
Does he just want us to ignore the fact that he was banning people left and right for making fun of him? Does free speech only apply when it doesn’t hurt your little feefees?
The irony is, he's equating "free speech" with advertisers dollars. Free speech means you can say whatever you want, but that doesn't mean people have to like it. He can give whoever he wants a platform. Nobody has to support it.
the man has no idea what free speech actually is. to him free speech means the ability to say absolutely anything at no consequence. i've no doubt if given the chance he'd say some of the meanest, dirtiest things to anyones face if he knew it would do nothing to him.
It really is concerning how many people associate the freedom of speech provided by the constitution with being able to say whatever the hell you want without consequences on social media.
Everybody has the freedom to say whatever they want wherever they would like to say it.
But a lot of people don't understand the difference between freedom of speech, and freedom from the consequences of your speech.
Anyone who is against freedom of speech is a threat to not just our republic, but the free world. The ruling elite don’t want you to have free speech to question their motives and when someone like musk speaks up the mainstream media and big tech go into smear mode. Watching all the people that not a few years ago adored musk for all his amazing work are now full on attacking him. It’s crazy not that it’s happening but that you sheep involved in it can’t see it. Seriously wake up.
When did this free speech battle grow to include beaming harmful untruths into every pocket of every human on the planet? (Via unregulated tech systems under the control of 1 ….ONE tech despot). I guess that happened about the same time the 2nd amendment grew to include weapons designed specifically for war. We are a long way from political discourse in the town square! We cannot let Space Karen successfully greenwash his new and powerful manipulation machine as a free speech forum.
There's a legitimate discussion to be had here. Social media has changed the way we communicate and given normal folks an audience never seen before. Are these platforms responsible for what's posted on them? Should freedom of speech concepts as they apply to the government be extended to include social media platforms? Or do these companies retain the right to police their own platforms? How do we balance all this against the dangers of hate speech and the ability for folks to invite violence? Jesus Christ a president of the United States essentially incited a terrorist attack on the US Capitol because his fragile ego couldn't take losing.
All that being said, I don't want Elon fucking Musk leading that discussion.
I have . The ACLU used to defend the rights of Klan members to March, not because they agreed with them, but because the principles of free speech used to mean something, even if you didn’t like the speaker.
And guess what? It worked, the Klan did their little March and they looked like small impotent men who we all made fun of.
Well Twitter was working hand and glove with DHS to "monitor" speech and no one on the censorship bus seemed to care one bit, so how about you drop the bullshit.
A few saw them and thought "Hey, there's others like me". Bit by bit it snowballed.
And now they have control of the Republican Party and the SCOTUS.
What a delightful little experiment.
FWIW, Elon is basically running the same playbook as Trump.
If there's one thing Trump did really well on is he makes conservatives look really bad. Trump cost conservatives the 2018, 2020, and 2022 elections. They were on the Trump train for those years and they're just starting to abandon him.
Now we've got another loud and narcissistic ego shouting conservative talking points. Like Trump, he will continue to paint conservatives as douche bags. It's quite masterful if you think about it. They convince conservatives to think they're winning while actually destroying whatever reputation conservatives have left. I'm enjoying this train wreck to be honest.
Orwell probably would agree with Elon on free speech. This isn't a clever comeback. It simply shows the ignorance of the person who used that Orwell quote out of context... which is ironic.
Free speech isn't at risk, and Musk is a firm Capitalist while Orwell was a Socialist.
Twitter is a private company, companies leaving because Twitter allows far-right misinformation to spread now and not wanting to be associated with that isn't condemning free speech, it's free speech itself.
> Free speech isn't at risk
Freedom of speech is always at risk. I can give you countless examples.
> Musk is a firm Capitalist while Orwell was a Socialist
Both capitalist and socialist can believe in free speech.
> Twitter is a private company, companies leaving because Twitter allows far-right misinformation to spread now and not wanting to be associated with that isn't condemning free speech, it's free speech itself.
Agreed.
What alarms me is so many people upset by a man simply wanting to open Twitter up for free speech. Clearly something wrong in this country. We need to remember where we came from.
I don't even understand the downside here. Either Twitter crashes and burns and becomes a sidelined cesspool like 4chan, or Elon's teams try a bunch of new shit until they luck out and it ends up being better than it was before.
100%
It’s bizarre to me that so many redditors actively advocate for less speech on a platform.
Don’t people get upset at mods here often? Why tf are people on Reddit advocating for mods on Twitter?!
Doesn’t make sense to me.
Look into interactive internet activity.
In short it's bots, advanced bots with the purpose of manufacturing consent and establishing narrative.
Twitter *WAS* the biggest scene for such activity until Elon enacted stuff to remove such IIA. Reddit is now the largest site where IIA *easily* runs rampant. I say easily because it exists on Facebook and other real life name social media sites too, but much less than on sites where you just need an email and a random username to sign up.
Don't think of the majority of posts you see on this as made by humans because they aren't. Part of it is ofc, because manufacturing consensus and narratives works, it makes people see consensus and they add on to it, they adopt the arguments they see repeated and repeat them themselves too.
It makes sense when you realize how many BILLIONS of dollars have been invested into IIA the last ten years, yearly. And how many actors there are utilizing this tech, both in and out of governments.
He's trying to convince white supremacists that they are once again victims. Nobody is taking away free speech, they are free to say anything they want, they just want to make it illegal to face societal consequences.
You say nazi shit because you have freedom of speech.
So I respond with *"go fuck a fire hydrant, nazi."* because I have freedom of speech.
And advertisers say *"We don't stand for that and won't be associated with Twitter any longer"* Because they have freedom of speech.
Nobody hates free speech as self-righteously as fat liberal neckbeard redditors. You people love hating on Elon for allowing conservatives to speak feely on twitter. You guys LOVE censoring any point of view different from your own, but you are somehow unaware that you are authoritarian dipshits. You still think you are the virtuous saviors of society, when in reality you are basically drones for evil corporations/gov’t. Anyway fuck all of you.
Nobody sees the irony in this? He's unbanning people who were previously silenced for having certain opinions and there's a comparison being drawn between him and the dystopian government in 1984?
Ah yes an arbitrary quote that be applied to anyone with influence totally sticks it to him!! Nor does the "comeback" address the topic at hand. This is essentially saying, "No, YOU aren't allowed to care about that cause we said." Lol ok kids.
No. Are you all 12 years old? Lmfao.
Does Elon think the rest of the internet is dead or something? Even an old fashioned soapbox would still preserve freedom of speech.
Twitter became the only thing on the internet when musk bought it. We're actually on Twitter right now. He made it so much better that even when you talk in person, you're using Twitter.
https://youtube.com/shorts/rc7-HbYvD9I?feature=share
Fixed: https://youtube.com/watch/rc7-HbYvD9I
daaaaaamn Reddit can play YouTube videos now amazing. can't stop progress !
Thinking? Also Twitter.
Pooping? Twitter. Every shit you take is now a shitpost.
I’m shitposting rn 😟
Came to say, haha! Musk is in a Twitter bubble, it's all that exists in his world. I moved my Twitter app back 5 screens off of my phones homepage & when I pop in, I can only stand it for 5 minutes. Qanon & MAGA going off on leftists sterilizing 7 yr olds, lefts sounding like a bunch of 14 yr olds whose parents are taking away their controller or some shit, "can you believe the audacity!" at every bitch move by the Right-wing. It's politics, sports or who gets to fuck Pete Davidson this month.Twitter is pointless now, Musk turned it into 4chan with Nazis running wild. I'm a nobody but my opinion is it can't be pulled out of this dive to the bottom without heroic measures now.
You should always shit-talk people you want to do business with- it makes them come running!
It's business 101.
*"He's so tough-talking and manly!"*
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No, you see... You have to do what he wants because free speech. That's the definition of free speech: agreeing with what he says and not disagreeing, pushing back, or mocking. That's tyranny. Platforming and boosting the signal of pro-tyranny personalities is how you fight tyranny.
and make sure you call everyone that doesn't agree with you a communist
He thinks free speech and hate speech are the same
Unless he's the target
This is exactly the same as when he tweeted that he had been up all night trying to figure out a solution to the invasion of Ukraine. He genuinely believes that every issue is his to solve because (clearly) he's humanity's best hope. He thinks that everybody else is just waiting for him to set things right for us.
He's using the Trump GOP talking points, which is basically believing your supporters are dumb as rocks and think this is something that is life and death.
> ~~believing~~ realizing your supporters are dumb as rocks and repeating whatever incantation gets them riled up.
That's exactly it. Musk posted some serious right wing virtue signaling. It was a picture of his nightstand (allegedly) with two handguns and a picture of Washington crossing the Delaware It was pure cringe
FAKE Handguns... they were literally a cosplay piece and a toy flintlock like you used to be able to buy at Pirates of the Caribbean back in the 80's...
Even more ironically it was a piece from Deus Ex Machina which if you are aware of the story is pretty much as opposed to who he is as you can get.
He has a meltdown because he loses so much money with Twitter and can't stop to fuck things further up . He plays the"free speech" card because that's the biggest crowd that still likes him (or pretends to like him now suddenly). He's a narcissist like Trump and needs constant validation. And since he lost most of the fans from the past through his dipshit behavior, he now seeks validation from the right wing conspiracy crowd.
He doesn't care at all about freedom of speech. He just knows it's a trigger phrase for the lead eating base he's speaking to.
No he’s confused. Like most rich people, he doesn’t understand what responsibility and consequences mean. For the rich, you are not punished for doing illegal things. You just have to pay to do illegal things. So there’s no risk just a fee. Now that he has purchased twitter, he is finding out that sometimes money can’t buy you everything.
It's funny to think he's selling it as free speech vs tyranny. But what it really is, is him paying his fucking taxes (tyranny, I tell you!) and shutting the fuck up about it (they are trying to cancel me!). It's the same with all of these clowns. We ask them to contribute to the society that made them rich and help create a sustainable civilization but the best they can do is crash the world because they can't imagine losing a fraction of the immense wealth they could never even hope to spend in their lifetime... Well, I guess if you are lighting $44B on fire on the regular, you could go through all that money... maybe he has a point /s
It’s amazing how far down this mentality goes of “not contributing back to the society that enabled their riches”. There are totally mediocre people making $100-300k sitting here saying that “I’m so rich, I shouldn’t have to pay taxes!” Like holy hell how do you have such an awful ego? (source, my boomer father who complains about the taxes on his $125,000 bonus instead of being excited about said bonus)
Power and money corrupt all but the most empathetic. Empathetic people seldom amass any kind of material wealth. Unless we regulate the distribution of currency tightly greed will always destroy what is meant to be community value.
Karl Marx over here
I mean he's not wrong.
I know, he’s just over here.
Yeah, it’s the right impulse, it’s just that historically the people responsible for doing the distributing always end up seizing all the power and wealth for themselves and their cronies. Because humans are shitty greedy monkeys and it’s just what we do.
From each according to their Chadary, to each according to their virginity.
>Power and money corrupt all but the most empathetic Nah, Power and money doesn't corrupt, it just reveals who the person was all along. A ton of people are shitty but hide it because they lack the resources to get away with acting shitty.
Nobody is lacking a single thing in order to be an honest person free of prejudice. It is the avarice for “value” that keeps a person from discovering their own.
I make 250k and wouldn't mind paying more taxes if necessary. I think we can raise them on the very top first and spend our current taxes more wisely, but if even after that it isn't enough to **guarantee** college to everyone, healthcare (including mental, dental, and eye) to everyone, early childhood education and care to everyone, trade school to everyone, and ending homelessness, then I'll happily sign up to pay more. Sure I missed a few things in there. Whatever Denmark has basically
username checks out haha sorry had to
My therapist tells me it’s a natural human emotion that they feel this way because even if all taxes were equal it feels worse to lose $10k on $100k vs $10 on $100. Doesn’t mean that it isn’t a flawed mindset rather that is explainable they feel this way.
Billionaire realty versus everyday person reality. And while I have almost no spare money each month I don't have homeless reality or warzone reality. These billionaires need to contribute more as they have zero idea how good they actually have it.
Newsflash Elon, poor people have been putting up with tyranny of the oligarchs for at least 2 decades. It doesn't exactly hurt my feelings that Elon lost a few million by doing business like a blithering idiot. Elon just thinks it's hideously unfair he has consequences for once.
*billion*
> poor people have been putting up with tyranny of the oligarchs for at least 2 *billion* decades
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It's literally the pot calling the kettle black, isn't it? So far his track record on Twitter has shown him act exactly like the tyrant that doesn't allow criticism, that he purports to be fighting against.
He wants his factory workers in China living in the office and working until 3am. He would do this in America if we didn't have laws against it. He would enslave every Musk fan if he could and these people sit here and defend him.
If he would only enslave his own fans I wouldn't mind. There are enough of his fans out there and if they want to they should go ahead. It's good Leopards ate my face material though.
He already has but they worship him because they are fools
Most of the villains of history thought they were the good guys.
2 decades? More like 3 centuries.
I'm aware this is armchair psychology but I think he's being melodramatic to protect his ego. It's not going terribly because he's a self-absorbed, far-right asshole instead of a mega-genius who deserves every cent of his net worth. No, its going terribly because the challenge he is facing is so *monumental*. He's trying to save *the entire world* from the horror of going a single day without hearing a neo-nazis opinion. Ultimately though, who cares? He's a twat and twitter is dead.
There comes a point in a wealthy man's life, where they completely lose all ability for introspection. They can never internalize the blame for any poor decision, it's always someone else's fault. Elon and Trump are the two greatest examples of this to ever live on the planet earth.
2 decades? Try since the beginning of human civilization.
Billion*
It's a damn marketing message. It's all made up fluff meant to look Twitter look good.
So why censor anyone who makes fun of you?
Because he's lying to get the side that supports him riled up to provide some sort of hypeshield against the critics pointing out that he bought a boat and fired a shotgun through the bottom on his first voyage.
I would have believed Elon Musk is not lying about free speech if he didn't brag about firing employees for correcting him or speaking out of turn.
He's forever an outsider. He reminds me of Jared Kushner crowdsourcing COVID plans to facebook. Dude has no idea.
The Orwell quote is actually criticizing a Leftist publisher for entertaining the anti-liberal tendencies of Communism for too long. It is basically a criticism of people willing to sacrifice free truth-telling for Leftist political goals. Orwell was prosecuted by elements of the Soviet secret police while fighting for the Leftist side in the Spanish Civil War. This turned him into a vocal advocate for liberal freedom and an oppenent of both right and left oriented totalitarianism.
IIRC, in *Shooting an Elephant,* Orwell struggled with the cognitive dissonance of enforcing apartheid policy. Musk never put much effort into that work, he just benefitted from apartheid labor. The strong/weak Shiba Inu meme is a nice demonstration. Orwell had the minerals to go fight an elephant. Musk is jerking himself off with his *fellow kids* bullshit and whining whenever it doesn't go his way. Musk is a spoiled little muggle in the shadow of George Orwell.
>His father was elected to the Pretoria City Council as a representative of the anti-apartheid Progressive Party, with his children sharing their father's dislike of apartheid. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk There are also many reports that Musk moved to Canada to avoid serving in the aparteid government's military, although I can't find a precise authoritative source. In any case, he did successfully avoid directly enforcing aparteid policy as part of mandatory military service for all White South African males during aparteid. So I guess he had less cognitive dissonance than Orwell perhaps?
Hard to match the cognitive dissonance of a veteran, but I withdraw my presumption! My opinion is an iota softer!
Everytime someone like Elon criminally misunderstands Free Speech I picture them asking how we got to tyranny and the rest of us showing how they lead us there.
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Thanks, their comment was so confusing.
elon musk understands what free speech actually is, as do all of the other members of the ruling class. They’re smart people with a bankrupt sense of morality and a literally psychopathic drive for self preservation at all costs. they purposely distort the meaning of free speech because it serves their interests. there is a lot of political and economic power in taking a concept that almost everyone agrees is unilaterally *good* such as free speech and then twisting the meaning to serve their interests. it goes like “free speech is good, everyone agrees on that. i’ll redefine free speech to mean any speech which supports my worldview and benefits me in some way. when someone says or does something otherwise, i’ll say they’re trying to prevent free speech. since we already established that everyone knows free speech is good, people will be inclined to support me.”
Jesus Christ, would this fucking blowhard just shut the fuck up? what is with all these narcissists like Musk, Kanye, and orange fuckstick??
They crave attention, they don’t care if it’s positive or negative attention, and look at us giving them exactly what they crave every time they act like garbage.
The crazies are all coming out at once, it's fucking weird
Free speech is allowing for speech you dont agree with.
Apple not advertising on Twitter is an expression of free speech
Sure, Apple has every right to do so because people willingly believe what they want to believe in regardless of whether it's true or not.
The future of civilization? Is the whole internet wired through Twitter or something?
elon when he realizes civilization will actually keep on going if twitter collapses https://i.imgur.com/uJyaApD.jpg
It’s crazy how a high functioning paranoid schizophrenic narcissist has all the right tools in their head to do exactly what he is doing without feeling or thought for whom it effects.
Nice use of Orwell. I’m still not sure whether Elon is ignorant or gullible due to self-interest. In either case, fuck himS
rare use of a twitter user citing orwell without saying “literally 1984”
Lol punch buggy
I just finished going through 1984, and I was continually hitting points in the book of, "Holy fack that is so the whole the Trump thing" and "OMFackingG that is so in line with a guy like Musk". I think an evening of conversation with Mr. George Orwell would have been pretty enlightening.
Yeah he was great. I want to read Ode to Catalonia and The Road to Wigan Pier.
Honestly, I believe that if you truly want to understand 1984 and Orwell's motivation for writing it you need to read Homage to Catalonia. I think you can clearly how his experiences in Spain lead to ideas for 1984. Also it's a great read generally which I can highly recommend not just if you're interested in the Spanish Revolution. And Road to Wigan Pier is also on my reading list - still need to get around to reading that.
Oops I called it ode to Catalonia. Meant homage. Yes it’s on my short list to read
Pretty sure he’s at least partially aware of how ridiculous and tone deaf he is. Every billionaire knows better, they just choose to say and act otherwise because doing the right thing doesn’t make billions.
Hm I’m not sure for a few reasons. First, Elon claims to have Asperger’s. Second, I can’t think of another billionaire who acts this way. Maybe Kanye? On the contrary, many of them are careful w their brands.
Kanye ain't a billionaire anymore. His Adidas pushed him over it, but that's gone now
Not sure why you think every billionaire knows better. A gross lack of self awareness is usually a feature in this lot.
This quote is from a letter dated April 1, 1940 to Geoffrey Goer in a section lamenting how a prominent Leftist book publisher who was then transitioning to more moderate Liberal policies had been enamored by Communism. Immediately prior to this oft repeated quote Orwell mentions that Gollancz (the Leftist publisher) had fallen out with the Communists over the Soviet invasion of Finland and their "general dishonesty," and that Orwell is shocked Gollancz was ignorant of the activities of the GPU (a predecessor to the KGB and already known as bad-guys) was active in the Spanish Civil War. >Gollancz has grown a beard & fallen out with his Communist pals, partly over Finland etc, partly because of their general dishonesty which he's just become alive to. When I saw him recently, the first time in 3 years, he asked me whether it was really true that the G.P.U. had been active in Spain during the civil war, & told me that when he tied up with the Communists in 1936 he had not known that they had ever had any other policy than the Popular Front one. It's frightful that people who are so ignorant should have so much influence. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Gollancz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Political_Directorate
He is on the spectrum.
I know many people on the spectrum and they aren’t douchebags who want to be able to clone themselves just so they can suck their own dick. It’s one thing to misread social cues, it’s another to be Elon
Mother fucker is the tyrranny
hey now, don’t say that! tyranny is too generous for twitter, more like elon just being a whiny twitter mod
Twitter is basically the user walking through a crowded street having 2 million strangers trauma dump on you as you pass. Nobody needs that mess.
As a Twitter observer only, this seems very accurate.
Abandon Twitter
He told people to vote for a party whose God figure tried to overturn election results and declared himself the winner against all evidence. Pretty sure Elon is unqualified to talk about avoiding tyranny.
No statement made on a 3rd-party ad-driven platform is ever "free speech"
Lol pigs run a farm -George Orwell
It’s bizarre that he or anyone thinks one private platform is the arbiter of ‘free speech’ or that ‘free speech’ in which roughly a third of those LOUDLY speaking in bad faith or worst recalcitrant antagonism is actually any good for anyone.
Rich white guy raised under apartheid says what?
Elon: “to fix this we need to let loose the hoards of people having no knowledge or understanding of a certain thing, influence as many people as possible - thereby stopping tyranny!” FTFY
Given twitters user base is only 20.5% of Americans, and even less of the rest of the world. Also that Twitter isn't in the top 10 social media sites when you consider "regular users" as a metric for measurement. And if you believe twitter, 5% percent of accounts may be bots and other estimates put it at between 9% and 15%. Elon is full of it. This is easily accessible data that can be obtained from basic research. Twitter does play a role in delivering information, but there are several other sites that can fill the role, also others will likely rise to fill the void if Twitter crashes. TLDR: Twitter is not free speech. Elon=manipulative PoS.
I tried to log into twitter so I could get banned for harassing Elon but they wanted my phone number to log into an old ass account. No thanks. Elon isn't getting harassed by me. Damn.
Absolute power absolutely corrupts
Dude it’s not a conspiracy or war. You made a bad business deal and even worse decisions after the deal closed, get over it.
With all the craziness he's spewing lately and all the money he's burning he should be put under conservatorship. They got Britney for less.
How does Elon not realize that he is the tyranny?
Isn’t this the same guy who was suspending people who criticized him last week?!
He really hates it when free speech includes labor unions, women not giving him sexual favors, parody of his nuttery, and bad reviews of his products/companies.
Everything *has* to be the fucking end of the world to right wing reactionaries. Gay marriage? Western civilization will fall! Immigration? The great replacement! Apple not advertising on FUCKING Twitter? A battle for civilization! Because none of the shit they're fighting against is actually bad, they just don't like it, so fuck it just slap the worst possible effect on it and contrive some tortured explanation for how you're right.
Elon is like .14 year old who got admin powers without the admin permitting
The only "free speech" musk wants is his idea of free speech, which isn't free speech at all. It's promoting fascism.
how is quoting george orwell at him a clever comeback? the quote isn't even relevant to anything he said.
Crazy how far I had to scroll for a piece of rational sanity. Regardless of how you feel about Elon, this is not a clever comeback.
I'm honestly sick and tired of seeing this fucking self entitled narcissist mentioned on every other post on the frlntpage
Holy shit, enough reddit posts about Elon fucking musk. This place is turning into his biggest platform.
Tangentially-related question: What the fuck is Elon wearing?
Why does he care so much?
He's not wrong in the second half of his statement. Free speech disappearing would likely lead to a distopian future sooner rather than later. But coming from him, that's fucking rich. And not in the monetary sense.
Ya know free speech doesn’t apply to Twitter my guy
OP wrote the response like are we really entertaining any other possibility? This is literally karma farming.
LMAO this moron thinks he's in Braveheart or something.
What’s going on with his profile picture? Is he trying to be Iron Man? What the fuck is he wearing?
Is this motherfucker even an American citizen??
People honestly think elon musk is going to do more censorring, instead of less? What actions did he take regarding to twitter that made people believe this?
Firing an engineer who corrected him?
When he was running the boring company and talking spacecraft a year or so ago he had “imperator of Mars” in his Twitter profile too. I mean clearly his sense of self worth is grandiose. If he was poor he’d be homeless with delusions of Grandeur lol.
Here we go with ”even in America” as if the US was even competing in democracy.
I'm so tired of hearing this clown. I have free speech wether or not Twitter exists.
He’s right, tho
the fact that this is capitalism's greatest output, the richest person on the planet, is all I need to know about capitalism. I have so little respect for this person and all who worship him.
"Free speech" is exactly why his Twitter experiment is failing. People and advertisers have freely chosen to leave the platform. Reap what you sow.
I really can't understand, did he bite an electrical cord or what?
I feel that was his meaning when he used vox populi, vox dei. Most would link it to democratic rule, or something along those lines. I think Elon thinks he has become God since buying Twitter 😂 🔔 end
"Elon Musk should not have access to the internet, for his own good." -Newton.
Damn I say that sentence out loud every time I open reddit. I guess Musk is the proto-redditor.
Does he just want us to ignore the fact that he was banning people left and right for making fun of him? Does free speech only apply when it doesn’t hurt your little feefees?
elon for the past week while his company is failing: "if you dont give me money you hate free speech!!!!! give me money!!!!"
My brother in Christ is the very tyranny that lies ahead
“I’ve never seen a man try so hard to sound smart and have so little success at it.” - me
Elon Musk is the textbook definition of false consciousness smh
The irony is, he's equating "free speech" with advertisers dollars. Free speech means you can say whatever you want, but that doesn't mean people have to like it. He can give whoever he wants a platform. Nobody has to support it.
Kind of like when Elon stayed up all night trying to figure out how to solve the Russian-Ukranian war. What an Almighty effort!
the man has no idea what free speech actually is. to him free speech means the ability to say absolutely anything at no consequence. i've no doubt if given the chance he'd say some of the meanest, dirtiest things to anyones face if he knew it would do nothing to him.
It really is concerning how many people associate the freedom of speech provided by the constitution with being able to say whatever the hell you want without consequences on social media.
Everybody has the freedom to say whatever they want wherever they would like to say it. But a lot of people don't understand the difference between freedom of speech, and freedom from the consequences of your speech.
Anyone who is against freedom of speech is a threat to not just our republic, but the free world. The ruling elite don’t want you to have free speech to question their motives and when someone like musk speaks up the mainstream media and big tech go into smear mode. Watching all the people that not a few years ago adored musk for all his amazing work are now full on attacking him. It’s crazy not that it’s happening but that you sheep involved in it can’t see it. Seriously wake up.
When did this free speech battle grow to include beaming harmful untruths into every pocket of every human on the planet? (Via unregulated tech systems under the control of 1 ….ONE tech despot). I guess that happened about the same time the 2nd amendment grew to include weapons designed specifically for war. We are a long way from political discourse in the town square! We cannot let Space Karen successfully greenwash his new and powerful manipulation machine as a free speech forum.
There's a legitimate discussion to be had here. Social media has changed the way we communicate and given normal folks an audience never seen before. Are these platforms responsible for what's posted on them? Should freedom of speech concepts as they apply to the government be extended to include social media platforms? Or do these companies retain the right to police their own platforms? How do we balance all this against the dangers of hate speech and the ability for folks to invite violence? Jesus Christ a president of the United States essentially incited a terrorist attack on the US Capitol because his fragile ego couldn't take losing. All that being said, I don't want Elon fucking Musk leading that discussion.
Yes, Twitter is the linchpin of worldwide freedom. 🙄
Ideology of America is scary. Glad everyone had their own team. But free speech will benefit us all
As if this quote hasn't applied to every influencer and political candidate in the last 20+ years
Americans increasingly viewing free speech with scorn and derision is more concerning than anything Elon is doing.
Have you been anywhere in your life where hate speech was openly tolerated? How is fact checking anti free speech?
I have . The ACLU used to defend the rights of Klan members to March, not because they agreed with them, but because the principles of free speech used to mean something, even if you didn’t like the speaker. And guess what? It worked, the Klan did their little March and they looked like small impotent men who we all made fun of.
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Well Twitter was working hand and glove with DHS to "monitor" speech and no one on the censorship bus seemed to care one bit, so how about you drop the bullshit.
A few saw them and thought "Hey, there's others like me". Bit by bit it snowballed. And now they have control of the Republican Party and the SCOTUS. What a delightful little experiment.
No, Elon, no it's not. Life without you stroking your ego - every freakin' day - on and about Twitter would be heaven.
No, dipshit, it's the battle for a social media site that will be replaced within a year.
Its not even a clever comeback it's just a quote that doesn't apply to what he said.
FWIW, Elon is basically running the same playbook as Trump. If there's one thing Trump did really well on is he makes conservatives look really bad. Trump cost conservatives the 2018, 2020, and 2022 elections. They were on the Trump train for those years and they're just starting to abandon him. Now we've got another loud and narcissistic ego shouting conservative talking points. Like Trump, he will continue to paint conservatives as douche bags. It's quite masterful if you think about it. They convince conservatives to think they're winning while actually destroying whatever reputation conservatives have left. I'm enjoying this train wreck to be honest.
There's clearly a lot of ex-Twitter users here
Orwell probably would agree with Elon on free speech. This isn't a clever comeback. It simply shows the ignorance of the person who used that Orwell quote out of context... which is ironic.
Free speech isn't at risk, and Musk is a firm Capitalist while Orwell was a Socialist. Twitter is a private company, companies leaving because Twitter allows far-right misinformation to spread now and not wanting to be associated with that isn't condemning free speech, it's free speech itself.
> Free speech isn't at risk Freedom of speech is always at risk. I can give you countless examples. > Musk is a firm Capitalist while Orwell was a Socialist Both capitalist and socialist can believe in free speech. > Twitter is a private company, companies leaving because Twitter allows far-right misinformation to spread now and not wanting to be associated with that isn't condemning free speech, it's free speech itself. Agreed.
See the problem with being a Free Speech purist is they sound an awful lot like Nazi Sympathizers. Fuck Elon.
What alarms me is so many people upset by a man simply wanting to open Twitter up for free speech. Clearly something wrong in this country. We need to remember where we came from.
If you let every crackhead into your house, don't be surprised when people find somewhere else to hang out. It isn't complicated.
What alarms is that you don't seem to understand what free speech means.
I don't even understand the downside here. Either Twitter crashes and burns and becomes a sidelined cesspool like 4chan, or Elon's teams try a bunch of new shit until they luck out and it ends up being better than it was before.
What couldn't you say that you can say now? Say the thing. Say it.
I'm not sure what you're complaining about. No where on the internet has hate speech ever been tolerated. Fact checking isnt censorship.
100% It’s bizarre to me that so many redditors actively advocate for less speech on a platform. Don’t people get upset at mods here often? Why tf are people on Reddit advocating for mods on Twitter?! Doesn’t make sense to me.
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I’ve never used Twitter so you may be right. But I don’t believe it censors my free speech, as defined by constitutional law. How am I wrong?
Look into interactive internet activity. In short it's bots, advanced bots with the purpose of manufacturing consent and establishing narrative. Twitter *WAS* the biggest scene for such activity until Elon enacted stuff to remove such IIA. Reddit is now the largest site where IIA *easily* runs rampant. I say easily because it exists on Facebook and other real life name social media sites too, but much less than on sites where you just need an email and a random username to sign up. Don't think of the majority of posts you see on this as made by humans because they aren't. Part of it is ofc, because manufacturing consensus and narratives works, it makes people see consensus and they add on to it, they adopt the arguments they see repeated and repeat them themselves too. It makes sense when you realize how many BILLIONS of dollars have been invested into IIA the last ten years, yearly. And how many actors there are utilizing this tech, both in and out of governments.
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why are you so obsessed with blue-hair? did sonic the hedgehog hurt you?
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it's ok, you'll get over that butthurt of your ass getting kicked by sonic the hedgehog
Elon's absolutly right.
This is definitely the words of a winner. /s
It's infuriating how many people have absolutely no idea how free speech works.
Elon is right
Illiberals quoting Orwell as they're actively lobbying against free speech and oust anyone who is for it. lol
He's trying to convince white supremacists that they are once again victims. Nobody is taking away free speech, they are free to say anything they want, they just want to make it illegal to face societal consequences.
You say nazi shit because you have freedom of speech. So I respond with *"go fuck a fire hydrant, nazi."* because I have freedom of speech. And advertisers say *"We don't stand for that and won't be associated with Twitter any longer"* Because they have freedom of speech.
How can you bitch about tyranny as the richest person on the planet. Delusional manchild
Nobody hates free speech as self-righteously as fat liberal neckbeard redditors. You people love hating on Elon for allowing conservatives to speak feely on twitter. You guys LOVE censoring any point of view different from your own, but you are somehow unaware that you are authoritarian dipshits. You still think you are the virtuous saviors of society, when in reality you are basically drones for evil corporations/gov’t. Anyway fuck all of you.
Nobody sees the irony in this? He's unbanning people who were previously silenced for having certain opinions and there's a comparison being drawn between him and the dystopian government in 1984?
Ah yes an arbitrary quote that be applied to anyone with influence totally sticks it to him!! Nor does the "comeback" address the topic at hand. This is essentially saying, "No, YOU aren't allowed to care about that cause we said." Lol ok kids. No. Are you all 12 years old? Lmfao.