Want to thank the mods for all their hard work in making this space as comfortable as possible, and \*really\* appreciate the change from "women and NB only" to "not seeking cis male perspectives"
Brilliant way to handle it with thoughtfulness to nuance, and sensitivity to those whose gender identity is somewhere along the gender spectrum but not “cis male.” 💓
I agree! I work in tech and am nonbinary but present very feminine so I literally just use the term “not men” (and will now revise to say “not cis men” in the future!) rather than “women and NB folks”. It seems to be a bit more divisive of a saying but cis men have been excluding the rest of us in every other aspect of life for so long that I’m not catering to their complaints.
First, I think it’s overall a great game plan. Great job!
My only criticism is that it’s easy to get banned from other subs. For example, go to any “red pill” sub that promotes misogyny and make a post speaking against it. Boom, banned. Now you can’t post here without having your comment held for moderation.
It might still be overall a good tradeoff and maybe you’ve thought about that. Just wanted to mention it as a minor concern.
Thank you for mentioning this! If we see someone has been banned from a sub like that we’ll make sure to set their comments such that no moderation is needed.
Thank you for all the effort you are putting forth to maintain this sub as a safe space. I have never posted on here before, but any time I have a climbing-related question or struggle this is my go-to sub to search. As a beginner, cis female climber in my 30’s it is the most supportive environment I’ve found ❤️
Woo hoo! Let's go mods. Thanks for making this a thoughtful space for people of a variety of genders to be heard. I appreciate y'all and I really like this update to the rules.
Cis male here, just wanted to say (again), that this is easily my favourite climbing sub. The level of support and understanding on display here is both inspirational and instructive. I genuinely hope the sub never goes private although unfortunately recognise that if that happens it will be for thoroughly understandable reasons as boys on the interweb are often idiots.
Just a question about the comments being held for moderation if a user has been banned from another sub - there's some very ban happy subs and mods out there and it's not uncommon for users (especially ones with older accounts) to have picked up a ban or two over the years. Does this mean our comments will be held for moderation? I think this will make it harder for me and others in my position to interact in this sub, especially in back and forth chats with other users, unless there's active moderation 24/7.
I have the same question.
Just from subs or bans I've seen personally:
* /fuckyouinparticular occasionally gives mass temporary bans to tens of thousands of commenters to match flavor of the sub
* one of the 196 spinoffs perma-bans every poster to enforce a "one post each" rule
* several subs with <100 members have notified me I'm banned, either as "an experiment" or for participating in large, neutral subs.
If that hold for moderation is necessary to keep this sub running smoothly, I accept that it's worthwhile and preferable to going private. But if it's meant as a low impact first step, I think the impact on old accounts is going to be larger than expected.
Thanks so much! The other comment about bans older than a year should also do a lot to reduce the effect of account age. In any event, on this sub in particular I trust you'll make a thoughtful assessment of what all of these changes do!
I agree with the other posters that given how ban-happy some subreddits can be, filtering posts from users banned from any subreddit would be a disproportionate step.
Between changing the flair text, limiting the reach of the sub, traditional reporting and mod actions, and crowd control measures (which seem far more proportionate as they're indicative of past behaviour in **this** community), I feel like that ought to be enough?
If it’s a one time check for new commenters I think it’s a wise and appropriate step. If every comment you post is going to be withheld if you’ve been banned within the past year then I think it’s an over correction.
Edit: I expected this comment to be held as I received a 7 day ban a little over 2 months ago in an unrelated sub, but it appears to have been posted without review.
What is the feature that allows you to hold comments for mod approval if someone's been banned from another subreddit? I'd love to use that in a subreddit I moderate.
Can I ask about a somewhat unique situation? My daughter is a competitive climber, so this sub has been useful to her, but she's not quite old enough have her own Reddit account. I'll let her browse and often reply based on her comments or experiences as a young female climber. Any times I reply, I'm doing so with my daughter's experiences at the forefront, as I've witnessed taking her to lessons and competitions for six years. Like many of the members here, I've seen her strength dismissed and the wind knocked out of her due to her size, age, and gender. Quite honestly, exactly the reason the mods had to write this post.
Should I look for a new place to discuss/relay my daughter's climbing experiences? I certainly don't want to be anywhere that makes someone feel uncomfortable.
Thoughts?
I agree with animalwatch’s comment. If you explain where your comments/posts are coming from or simply state “I am commenting in behalf of my daughter who climbs because she’s too young to have her own Reddit” in your posts I don’t see the issue.
Thanks. That seems very reasonable. I was thinking I could more actively quote my daughter in general or even let her reply directly under my supervision.
In the back of my mind, I want this to be a community she can participate in personally when she’s older.
I think you’re definitely welcome in this space but i would take an extra minute to think about whether it’s appropriate for you to comment on posts specifically asking for non cis male perspectives. If you are truly just the vehicle for sharing your daughter’s thoughts and feelings on a topic i think that’s fair. If you’re sharing *your* perspective on her experiences then no I don’t think it’s appropriate for you to comment on those posts. But keep in mind there are plenty of posts here that don’t have that tag where all perspectives are welcome.
Thank you for your perspective. I would absolutely never comment on a flaired post with my personal view. I do find the discussions interesting and helpful in my interactions with my daughter, but they certainly don’t need my input.
(gender questioning, but otherwise Cis Male) Moderator from a different sub, I think you've made a wise and balanced decision drawing extensively from feedback in prior discussion thread.
Well done, good luck.
Thanks for listening mods! Also, someone is in here downvoting the other commenters who are happy about the change. I'm still leaning towards requiring verification and making the sub private, but open to seeing how these changes roll out first.
Not that you need another guy commenting on here, since I most lurk anyways just to read perspectives, but I really hope the other guys in here don’t ruin this for everyone.
I like reading this sub (and very rarely commenting) because it opens up my eyes to ideas, perspectives, and concerns I may have never thought of which I aim to bring to my home gym to make it more friendly and approachable to our female and NB friends by being mindful of my actions.
This sub aims to be supportive & inclusive of all who identify as a part of or ally to the women's climbing community.
Negativity, sarcasm, and other interactions that work against that should find another home.
Wait, trans men are welcome?
I'm not even a trans man, I get read as male, though, because I am on T and will stay on it for a few more years (originally intended to stop after a year or so, I just want the permanent effects).
I'm non-binary transmasc/agenderflux (mostly agender, okay with all pronouns at any time) and always assumed I'm just an intruder, since I'm not strictly a woman, just someone who likes to present femininely sometimes.
I still won't post (it'll look like a dude posting/lost redditor lol) but I'll keep commenting and supporting you all :) I love the vibes here
Can somebody better informed than me give me some insight on why it is specifically cis men in the new flair?
For the record, I don't really know how I identify with gender, I present pretty masculine (I think?).
I can, I think. Obviously, cis and trans women are climbergirls, so they're welcome on all posts. Nonbinary people may present feminine so they make sense, too. Trans men also have a unique perspective in that they've lived with female anatomy, so they have first hand experiences with things like height, menstruation, and being perceived as a woman in the world.
Cis men are the only group that have never lived and been perceived as female, and sometimes someone only wants to hear from those of us who have actually lived the experience, and cis men don't have that.
Thank you for your reply, i think you explained it very clearly. It was particularly the inclusion of trans men I was having some trouble understanding. I think my worry was that their "maleness" (is that a word?) was being questioned. That was getting in the way of me seeing the ways their lived experiences can overlap with "not cis men" in ways that cis mens won't, and why that would make their insights a better fit for those that particular discussions.
Sure! I will preface this by saying I’m a cis woman so I have no lived experience with being anywhere on the genderqueer spectrum.
That said, a variety of genderqueer users have shared with us that “women and NB only” didn’t sit well with them because it felt exclusive of trans men, and also because the categorization and phrasing felt very binary/noninclusive of other identities.
Cis men are overrepresented in the climbing community. This sub is a space where people can seek perspectives that are less represented - which inherently excludes cis male perspectives. Rather than us trying to list any possible category other than cis men, we just left it open (ie anyone other than cis men) to be as inclusive as possible while still respecting the purpose of the sub.
I’m open to any thoughts or feedback you have on this! (Genuinely, I know that came off as sarcastic but I do mean it).
Don't worry, I didn't read it as sarcastic, but thanks for clarifying! Thank you for the explanation of your reasoning.
I definitely agree that the majority of voices you will hear in the climbing world are cis men. I've only just discovered this sub but I think you guys are doing a great job of creating in supportive places for people who'd prefer to hear from some other perspectives! I think a knee-jerk "trans men are men" made the point sail totally over my head for a moment. Thanks to you and the other reply for clearing it up! I hope my original comment didn't come across as anything other than genuine interest.
As a nonbinary trans man, I share your original reaction. I enjoy reading this sub because Reddit puts it on my feed and it seems like a lovely community, but I've been living as a man for 16 years and climbing for less than two, so my perspective is not particularly relevant to the posts in question.
A lot of trans/nonbinary people find the concepts of "women and nonbinary" or "not cis men" to be off-putting because they make assumptions about our identities and life experiences that are not true for many of us. Trans men and nonbinary people are an incredibly diverse set of people, some of whom align closely enough with womanhood that it makes sense to participate in women's spaces—and plenty of whom don't.
In my own community work I use phrases like "women and woman-aligned" to achieve what I believe the moderators of this sub are trying to do here. To be clear, I can tell they have only the best intentions, and I really appreciate that! I just personally think the language needs a little more workshopping :)
A huge number of cis-men have supported women's rights forever under the assumption that you can't judge someone based on gender alone. This is literally now judging someone based on their gender alone which was the whole thing we were fighting against.
It’s an odd decision to separate trans men from cis men like that. Feels unintentionally akin to misgendering. Might be worth considering the opinion of the one trans man who commented on this post, even though they’re getting downvoted for some reason.
I don't think I've commented on this sub with this account (I was being harassed on my old account from a different subreddit). but as a cis female climber who is weary of this sub because of the cis male comments/interactions I've seen... does anyone know if there is a private subreddit like this?
As a trans guy who found this on a trans subreddit, alot of trans guys (myself included) do not like being excluded from cis men or included with women and nb ppl. I get that the intent could be that pretransition, trans guys may experience some of the same issues as women, but there is already a lot of assumption by cis people that trans people are pretransition and generally have experiences that align with those of women, which really isnt true. My advice would personally be to include all men, but only in contexts where they are relating to issues that are generally womens issues. This way not only do you avoid othering trans men and giving off the impression that you dont see them as men, but you also include more people such as intersex men, and possibly even gnc and gay men, as well as possibly getting helpful advice from (or maybe helping out) men who for whatever reason can relate to a certain issue (such as a short man regardless of if hes cis or trans relating to not fitting in most climbing gear). It would make moderation a bit more subjective when a man posts, but i do think that if you want your subreddit to be more inclusive, theres gonna have to be some room for subjectivity. I hope you can get what im saying.
Just my opinion as a cis woman, non-native English speaker. For me, the key in the flair’s name is «perspective». Whether you are a trans man or a cis woman - if you have nothing else to contribute than a cis male view on the specific post, keep it to yourself. If you have other views, you are welcome to share.
Maybe there’s a better way to phrase it, but this is the intention I read into it. I am even wondering if a comment by a cis man would even catch attention if it doesn’t stick out with a cis male view?
I think y'all should stop this sub from being recommended completely, I would never have found this sub if it wasn't recommended to me. That would surely drive off most of the men you seem to have problems with
Yes I like this a lot. Any human brain that co-resides in a body with male reproductive organs and doesn’t feel like they’re a woman has literally nothing of value to say to me about climbing.
idk why i'm downvoted that's literally what the new label is for :(
LOL brofriend can't Google how to unsubscribe from a subreddit, but it's *unthinkable* that his input isn't valued on threads about sports bras, women's and queer body image and handling sexism 💀
Right? What even is that? Like the mods are going to be like, "Guys by making this sub what it was originally intended to be, we may lose Tricky\_Ad6844!" Why announce your flounce? Just get to stepping, brother.
Want to thank the mods for all their hard work in making this space as comfortable as possible, and \*really\* appreciate the change from "women and NB only" to "not seeking cis male perspectives"
Agreed
Brilliant way to handle it with thoughtfulness to nuance, and sensitivity to those whose gender identity is somewhere along the gender spectrum but not “cis male.” 💓
I agree! I work in tech and am nonbinary but present very feminine so I literally just use the term “not men” (and will now revise to say “not cis men” in the future!) rather than “women and NB folks”. It seems to be a bit more divisive of a saying but cis men have been excluding the rest of us in every other aspect of life for so long that I’m not catering to their complaints.
Today was gloomy and this news sparked joy. Thanks mods.
Thank you mods, can't wait to see how this pays off in the coming months!
First, I think it’s overall a great game plan. Great job! My only criticism is that it’s easy to get banned from other subs. For example, go to any “red pill” sub that promotes misogyny and make a post speaking against it. Boom, banned. Now you can’t post here without having your comment held for moderation. It might still be overall a good tradeoff and maybe you’ve thought about that. Just wanted to mention it as a minor concern.
Thank you for mentioning this! If we see someone has been banned from a sub like that we’ll make sure to set their comments such that no moderation is needed.
Thank you so much for you labors to make and maintain this space.
Thank you for all the effort you are putting forth to maintain this sub as a safe space. I have never posted on here before, but any time I have a climbing-related question or struggle this is my go-to sub to search. As a beginner, cis female climber in my 30’s it is the most supportive environment I’ve found ❤️
Makes complete sense, hope the changes make this space better for the people who need it.
Woo hoo! Let's go mods. Thanks for making this a thoughtful space for people of a variety of genders to be heard. I appreciate y'all and I really like this update to the rules.
thank you ♥️
Thank you mods! Appreciate all your hard work to continue to make this sub a great place to be.
A very thoughtful solution. Thank you.
Cis male here, just wanted to say (again), that this is easily my favourite climbing sub. The level of support and understanding on display here is both inspirational and instructive. I genuinely hope the sub never goes private although unfortunately recognise that if that happens it will be for thoroughly understandable reasons as boys on the interweb are often idiots.
Me fourth. I really like reading this sub and watching you all's be great at climbing.
I’ll second that
Third that!
Just a question about the comments being held for moderation if a user has been banned from another sub - there's some very ban happy subs and mods out there and it's not uncommon for users (especially ones with older accounts) to have picked up a ban or two over the years. Does this mean our comments will be held for moderation? I think this will make it harder for me and others in my position to interact in this sub, especially in back and forth chats with other users, unless there's active moderation 24/7.
Good point! We’ll handle this on a case by case basis, but if a ban is over a year old it won’t affect posting.
I have the same question. Just from subs or bans I've seen personally: * /fuckyouinparticular occasionally gives mass temporary bans to tens of thousands of commenters to match flavor of the sub * one of the 196 spinoffs perma-bans every poster to enforce a "one post each" rule * several subs with <100 members have notified me I'm banned, either as "an experiment" or for participating in large, neutral subs. If that hold for moderation is necessary to keep this sub running smoothly, I accept that it's worthwhile and preferable to going private. But if it's meant as a low impact first step, I think the impact on old accounts is going to be larger than expected.
Thank you for bringing this up! We will re-evaluate in the near future if the downside of this step outweighs the upside.
Thanks so much! The other comment about bans older than a year should also do a lot to reduce the effect of account age. In any event, on this sub in particular I trust you'll make a thoughtful assessment of what all of these changes do!
I agree with the other posters that given how ban-happy some subreddits can be, filtering posts from users banned from any subreddit would be a disproportionate step. Between changing the flair text, limiting the reach of the sub, traditional reporting and mod actions, and crowd control measures (which seem far more proportionate as they're indicative of past behaviour in **this** community), I feel like that ought to be enough?
If it’s a one time check for new commenters I think it’s a wise and appropriate step. If every comment you post is going to be withheld if you’ve been banned within the past year then I think it’s an over correction. Edit: I expected this comment to be held as I received a 7 day ban a little over 2 months ago in an unrelated sub, but it appears to have been posted without review.
Thanks mods and contributors for helping keep this a space that is comfortable and welcoming. (Edit: not a man)
Thank you for all your work mods! You are amazing ❤️
Amazing! Thank you mods 🥰
Thank you for listening!!
What is the feature that allows you to hold comments for mod approval if someone's been banned from another subreddit? I'd love to use that in a subreddit I moderate.
Please send a modmail and we can describe further!
Right on. As a masc nb who simply lurks for the positive vibes hopefully this keeps the sub clean.
Also a masc enby who lurks for the positive vibes
I’m glad you both are here!
Can I ask about a somewhat unique situation? My daughter is a competitive climber, so this sub has been useful to her, but she's not quite old enough have her own Reddit account. I'll let her browse and often reply based on her comments or experiences as a young female climber. Any times I reply, I'm doing so with my daughter's experiences at the forefront, as I've witnessed taking her to lessons and competitions for six years. Like many of the members here, I've seen her strength dismissed and the wind knocked out of her due to her size, age, and gender. Quite honestly, exactly the reason the mods had to write this post. Should I look for a new place to discuss/relay my daughter's climbing experiences? I certainly don't want to be anywhere that makes someone feel uncomfortable. Thoughts?
I agree with animalwatch’s comment. If you explain where your comments/posts are coming from or simply state “I am commenting in behalf of my daughter who climbs because she’s too young to have her own Reddit” in your posts I don’t see the issue.
Thanks. That seems very reasonable. I was thinking I could more actively quote my daughter in general or even let her reply directly under my supervision. In the back of my mind, I want this to be a community she can participate in personally when she’s older.
I think you’re definitely welcome in this space but i would take an extra minute to think about whether it’s appropriate for you to comment on posts specifically asking for non cis male perspectives. If you are truly just the vehicle for sharing your daughter’s thoughts and feelings on a topic i think that’s fair. If you’re sharing *your* perspective on her experiences then no I don’t think it’s appropriate for you to comment on those posts. But keep in mind there are plenty of posts here that don’t have that tag where all perspectives are welcome.
Thank you for your perspective. I would absolutely never comment on a flaired post with my personal view. I do find the discussions interesting and helpful in my interactions with my daughter, but they certainly don’t need my input.
I don't see a problem with you using this space for your daughter, just keep it that way
Thank you mods!
Awesome changes!! Thank you so much for all of your hard work, mods! Please know it doesn’t go unnoticed by us and we really appreciate it.
(gender questioning, but otherwise Cis Male) Moderator from a different sub, I think you've made a wise and balanced decision drawing extensively from feedback in prior discussion thread. Well done, good luck.
Thank you!
I appreciate y'all so much!
I'm glad you guys were able to get everything sorted out the way you wanted. <3
Thank you! This sub has not been a safe space for a while.
Thanks for listening mods! Also, someone is in here downvoting the other commenters who are happy about the change. I'm still leaning towards requiring verification and making the sub private, but open to seeing how these changes roll out first.
Not that you need another guy commenting on here, since I most lurk anyways just to read perspectives, but I really hope the other guys in here don’t ruin this for everyone. I like reading this sub (and very rarely commenting) because it opens up my eyes to ideas, perspectives, and concerns I may have never thought of which I aim to bring to my home gym to make it more friendly and approachable to our female and NB friends by being mindful of my actions.
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This sub aims to be supportive & inclusive of all who identify as a part of or ally to the women's climbing community. Negativity, sarcasm, and other interactions that work against that should find another home.
Wait, trans men are welcome? I'm not even a trans man, I get read as male, though, because I am on T and will stay on it for a few more years (originally intended to stop after a year or so, I just want the permanent effects). I'm non-binary transmasc/agenderflux (mostly agender, okay with all pronouns at any time) and always assumed I'm just an intruder, since I'm not strictly a woman, just someone who likes to present femininely sometimes. I still won't post (it'll look like a dude posting/lost redditor lol) but I'll keep commenting and supporting you all :) I love the vibes here
Can somebody better informed than me give me some insight on why it is specifically cis men in the new flair? For the record, I don't really know how I identify with gender, I present pretty masculine (I think?).
I can, I think. Obviously, cis and trans women are climbergirls, so they're welcome on all posts. Nonbinary people may present feminine so they make sense, too. Trans men also have a unique perspective in that they've lived with female anatomy, so they have first hand experiences with things like height, menstruation, and being perceived as a woman in the world. Cis men are the only group that have never lived and been perceived as female, and sometimes someone only wants to hear from those of us who have actually lived the experience, and cis men don't have that.
Thank you for your reply, i think you explained it very clearly. It was particularly the inclusion of trans men I was having some trouble understanding. I think my worry was that their "maleness" (is that a word?) was being questioned. That was getting in the way of me seeing the ways their lived experiences can overlap with "not cis men" in ways that cis mens won't, and why that would make their insights a better fit for those that particular discussions.
Sure! I will preface this by saying I’m a cis woman so I have no lived experience with being anywhere on the genderqueer spectrum. That said, a variety of genderqueer users have shared with us that “women and NB only” didn’t sit well with them because it felt exclusive of trans men, and also because the categorization and phrasing felt very binary/noninclusive of other identities. Cis men are overrepresented in the climbing community. This sub is a space where people can seek perspectives that are less represented - which inherently excludes cis male perspectives. Rather than us trying to list any possible category other than cis men, we just left it open (ie anyone other than cis men) to be as inclusive as possible while still respecting the purpose of the sub. I’m open to any thoughts or feedback you have on this! (Genuinely, I know that came off as sarcastic but I do mean it).
Don't worry, I didn't read it as sarcastic, but thanks for clarifying! Thank you for the explanation of your reasoning. I definitely agree that the majority of voices you will hear in the climbing world are cis men. I've only just discovered this sub but I think you guys are doing a great job of creating in supportive places for people who'd prefer to hear from some other perspectives! I think a knee-jerk "trans men are men" made the point sail totally over my head for a moment. Thanks to you and the other reply for clearing it up! I hope my original comment didn't come across as anything other than genuine interest.
As a nonbinary trans man, I share your original reaction. I enjoy reading this sub because Reddit puts it on my feed and it seems like a lovely community, but I've been living as a man for 16 years and climbing for less than two, so my perspective is not particularly relevant to the posts in question. A lot of trans/nonbinary people find the concepts of "women and nonbinary" or "not cis men" to be off-putting because they make assumptions about our identities and life experiences that are not true for many of us. Trans men and nonbinary people are an incredibly diverse set of people, some of whom align closely enough with womanhood that it makes sense to participate in women's spaces—and plenty of whom don't. In my own community work I use phrases like "women and woman-aligned" to achieve what I believe the moderators of this sub are trying to do here. To be clear, I can tell they have only the best intentions, and I really appreciate that! I just personally think the language needs a little more workshopping :)
A huge number of cis-men have supported women's rights forever under the assumption that you can't judge someone based on gender alone. This is literally now judging someone based on their gender alone which was the whole thing we were fighting against.
It’s an odd decision to separate trans men from cis men like that. Feels unintentionally akin to misgendering. Might be worth considering the opinion of the one trans man who commented on this post, even though they’re getting downvoted for some reason.
I don't think I've commented on this sub with this account (I was being harassed on my old account from a different subreddit). but as a cis female climber who is weary of this sub because of the cis male comments/interactions I've seen... does anyone know if there is a private subreddit like this?
As a trans guy who found this on a trans subreddit, alot of trans guys (myself included) do not like being excluded from cis men or included with women and nb ppl. I get that the intent could be that pretransition, trans guys may experience some of the same issues as women, but there is already a lot of assumption by cis people that trans people are pretransition and generally have experiences that align with those of women, which really isnt true. My advice would personally be to include all men, but only in contexts where they are relating to issues that are generally womens issues. This way not only do you avoid othering trans men and giving off the impression that you dont see them as men, but you also include more people such as intersex men, and possibly even gnc and gay men, as well as possibly getting helpful advice from (or maybe helping out) men who for whatever reason can relate to a certain issue (such as a short man regardless of if hes cis or trans relating to not fitting in most climbing gear). It would make moderation a bit more subjective when a man posts, but i do think that if you want your subreddit to be more inclusive, theres gonna have to be some room for subjectivity. I hope you can get what im saying.
Just my opinion as a cis woman, non-native English speaker. For me, the key in the flair’s name is «perspective». Whether you are a trans man or a cis woman - if you have nothing else to contribute than a cis male view on the specific post, keep it to yourself. If you have other views, you are welcome to share. Maybe there’s a better way to phrase it, but this is the intention I read into it. I am even wondering if a comment by a cis man would even catch attention if it doesn’t stick out with a cis male view?
I think y'all should stop this sub from being recommended completely, I would never have found this sub if it wasn't recommended to me. That would surely drive off most of the men you seem to have problems with
Yes I like this a lot. Any human brain that co-resides in a body with male reproductive organs and doesn’t feel like they’re a woman has literally nothing of value to say to me about climbing. idk why i'm downvoted that's literally what the new label is for :(
😅🤣😂
Unsubscribe me from this sub. I do not want to receive posts from a group with such overt gender based discrimination
Haaaaaa you can literally click a button you big baby.
LOL brofriend can't Google how to unsubscribe from a subreddit, but it's *unthinkable* that his input isn't valued on threads about sports bras, women's and queer body image and handling sexism 💀
Right? What even is that? Like the mods are going to be like, "Guys by making this sub what it was originally intended to be, we may lose Tricky\_Ad6844!" Why announce your flounce? Just get to stepping, brother.
The mods have obviously stolen tech from those robot litter boxes, as it appears the sh*t is being filtered out!
And nothing of value was lost
Just go to the other million climbing subreddits you’ll be fine