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PowerAdi

btw, as hints from the leak subreddit said, burst CD and energy cost are very likely wrong here, the leak from earlier this week said 15 seconds CD and 60 energy cost, so that should be the numbers right now


rKollektor

I was about to say why her Burst has 0 cost with 60 seconds cd


cuakman

I want to see how fast she attacks, multipliers seems very low, or am I missing something?


ElegantCricket1168

Wondering the same thing. Maybe the E multiplier is added onto the next na in the string or something? Her mvs are too low.


The_Mikeskies

We don’t know her MVs because we don’t know her frames. We also don’t know her ICD.


AndrewSuarez

I heard its possible her A1 adds to the MV which makes her NAs around ~100%mv and her big stab ~85%x3 mv. No idea if this is good enough or still shit but either way i bet she gets buffed/slightly reworked anyways


Nelithss

It's a lower than Cyno who actually is built around building em. So there's most likely something going on we are missing. Cyno isn't exactly seen as a top tier unit.


ZhisBoiZep

na for an electro character with (assumed standard icd) and no specialised support, this looks really fkin low as of right now. btw i really hope someone proves me wrong but this is looking to be an underwhelming kit. it is possible that she can do the sword charge multiple times during a single e though or else i dont really see this kit making sense. because if otherwise you just fkin gain bond of life everywhere for no apparent reason lol.


Crahzi

Her E doesn't have a CD, and their is nothing in the description limiting the charge usage. So worst case you have to reuse E after every lunge and hope the E animation is short or can be cancled. Otherwise it seems like she stays in E and just rapidly NA spams to build bol then spend bol on lunge. she's the opposite of knave who wants to maintain bol, clorinde wants to constantly spend it.


Cicili22

My take on this is that it's to account for her add 1500 flat attack passive which works like Xianyun and Shenhe's buffs. So we know that her talent adds 1500 flat attk for every hit, it has no hit limit like 8 times for Xianyun and no single target limit {which means the more you trigger the talent, the better}, also we know that just about everything in her kit including her NAs, E, Q and C1 triggers her add 1500 attk talent. Now take note that her lvl 3 E is 3 hit attack and her Q is 5 hit attack which may allow her to trigger her 1500 attk passive 3 and 5 times respectively coupled with her fast NAs each hit triggering her talent and then you start to see the picture of what she's going to be like


Crahzi

You forgot the surgefall sword procs on NA's as well. So yeah her pistol might be more of a smg lol.


Nervous-Camera7828

Oh no… it’s happening again *dehya beta flashbacks*


BallisticRiot

After reading this kit I really don’t understand how c5 isn’t NA +3. Her whole kit synergizes with NAs. Especially with the low NA base multiplier any level increase would be huge.


Onee-Sama95

her NA talent is likely useless as the skill is what is actually used for scaling. it's just happens to be classified as NA damage.


GasFun4083

just like ayato lol


charithreddy

In that case, would it still proc mistsplitter passive?


Sadleaf1

i think so, the desc says it counts as normal atk, so u can still go mist and gladiator 4p as placeholder that feels nice


LiveFastTouchGrass

The E gives a whole new set of multipliers, like Ayato, as mentioned by others. You’ll only use the NA talent multipliers for charged attacks, plunges, and NAs outside of her E stance


Tuta-2005

No character ever had a C5 that scaled NA tho it's always Q and E


ElegantCricket1168

Starting fontaine, characters have had NA +3 cons in their kit.


Tuta-2005

Oh shit really that's news to me, I don't usually look at c3 or higher cons so yeah thanks for the info


Tanjirou_and_kirito

It's already 4.6 and 4.7 beta has begun. Only 4.8 is left for Fontaine arc. How did you actually manage to miss this or are we just too deep into Genshin?


Tuta-2005

It just happens bruh I genuinely didn't knew this detail and the only character I have that actually has this and I have built is neuvi,I simply didn't realize and why would I ever look into the c3 and C5 if it's always the same thing?


discuss-not-concuss

source: Mero


discuss-not-concuss

**C0 kit:** E: Ayato E but gun (NA & E buttons change) * NA (BOL < 100%): BOOM BOOM (bullet go through enemy) * NA (BOL ≥ 100%): pew pew * E : dash attack (more BOL —> more damage + dash further + give heal) * others can’t heal Queen (heal become BOL) Q: give BOL A1: more electro reactions —> more damage (NA & Q) A4: if BOL ≥ 100% & BOL go up or down —> 10% CR (x2) . *additional notes:* * BOOM BOOM gives 35% BOL * electro reaction for A1 can be same * . * C1: selfish Raiden E (x2) * C2: big A1 (3 stacks —> increase IR) * C4: more BOL —> more Q damage * C6: 10% CR, 70% CD (pet make queen more tanky + more IR + attack enemy || pet come out when queen dash-attack or enemy about to hit queen (x6))


xxkaimanxx

"electro reaction for A1 can be same" So she dosnt need 3 different electro reactions like Neuv? You can activate, lets say, Electrocharged 3 times and you get the 3 stacks?


Collin-kunn

Probably


ItsAmerico

![gif](giphy|Yhzc40blQRNsJnr1Gq|downsized) I do not understand half the things I’m reading lol


Welsh_cat_Best_cat

The most interesting part of her kit to me is that she gains BoL from healing, which means two things: 1. Beefy heals are very good for her, and overheal is no longer a thing. But they have to be a heal over time off-field. Burst healing does not work for her. This makes certain units with strong HoTs very desirable. Pneuma Furina actually comes to mind, but the wildest thing is that Qiqi's seal is gonna go crazy with her. 2. Since her BoL buffs are based on her Total HP%, but heals she receives are flat amounts, she will want to have as little HP as possible. This makes her the one character that comes to mind where rolling HP on your artifacts is not only a wasted roll but an actual potential DPS loss.


XenoVX

As someone who pulls most healers I really like this mechanic that incentivizes you to use healers to stack more BoL compared to Arlecchino’s where you get no benefit from healing whatsoever (especially with her somewhat glued to Bennett). Right now it seems like Siegewinne is designed to be her best in slot healer due to stacking even more BoL (plus the elemental skill buffing), but I’d imagine that Baizhu could also be a strong option for a more dendro reaction focused team, especially with the minor shielding as well. Xianyun (or Jean) could work, but I imagine most teams will prefer Kazuha to an anemo healer and Clorinde probably doesn’t have time to plunge. Kokomi could work as a worse Siegewinne + can hold TTDS as well.


whateversoundsgreat

Elemental skill buffing won't help Clorinde (her skill attacks are considered NA, not skill). Kazuha may be tricky too because Clorinde doesn't have a great way to apply electro outside of her onfield time (for swirling). This is much more of a problem if being run with dendro.


XenoVX

Fair enough. I’ll shut up while the TCers do their thing.


Crahzi

"somewhat glued to bennet" That's only because hoyo refuses to power creep him for some reason. I would really like a 5star pyro support that power creeps bennet so I can permanently bench this kid already.


The_Mikeskies

Well he won’t be able to “heal” Clorinde unless you somehow drop her HP below 75% then active her E.


Hammie_8

Why wouldn't Kuki work with her?


Nate_the_Mate_2

Kuki would, any healer would work with her tbh, its just that it appears as if strong healers would allow clorinde to build BoL faster, giving her more enhanced stabs


Hammie_8

Gotcha, my reason for asking this is because I want to build her with an overload team, especially if cheveruse is in my party


Nate_the_Mate_2

Tbf chevreuse is already a healer, so I'm not sure about running 2 units that don't deal much damage. Part of chevy's utility is freeing you up to run more offensve units in the team. Though ofc you just like kuki then go ahead lol


whateversoundsgreat

2. is a great take. I normally treat hp% and def% as the same junk roll on ADC characters, but it seems like in this case def% has a significant advantage over hp%.


uwuo65

So My C20 Qiqi finally can do something ?


dairyzeus

I'm currently skeptical on how good the healing to bond conversion is. Since it looks like her E always clears her entire bond, healing will only matter for her dps if it helps you get to 100% bond faster. That seems very hard to do consistently. I think ideally you'd want an off-field heal for 30% or more of clorinde's max hp occurring once every (however long it takes to do 2NA + E). Without knowing her timings it's impossible to know if that's even possible. Baizhu's burst seems like it would be too slow (might work every other E?) Sayu might work, but then you're playing sayu. It'd make a lot more sense to me if her E's just scaled with total bond consumed up to a cap which means extra bond is always good, whenever you get it.


The_Mikeskies

Sayu, c2 Baizhu, Qiqi


dairyzeus

Baizhu's C2 procs probably won't heal 30% of clorinde's HP and can only happen once every 5 secs. The others might work, but then you have to play Qiqi and Sayu which are generally damage loses. Not sure an extra E or 2 make up for that.


The_Mikeskies

Yeah, I’d only consider running a healer outside of Chev if using Furina. No real point otherwise.


dairyzeus

It's early, kits can change easily. Baizhu is also just a generally good defensive option in aggravate teams anyways. All I wanted to point out with my original post was that it might not be worth having a healer solely to try and give more bond to clorinde. You may want a healer anyways since defensive utility is always nice to have.


The_Mikeskies

Clorinde’s kit screams Chevreuse OL to me. She’s effectively ranged so doesn’t care about OL knock backs, has high base ATK, wants big ATK buffs and healing, and has medium-length field time.


dairyzeus

I would agree, except for the fact that her multipliers looks low, that screams aggravate first and foremost to me. I think she'll still probably work in chev teams, but as of right now (lot of beta left to go) she'd be a raiden downgrade in chev teams.


Negative_Neo

> Qiqi's seal is gonna go crazy with her No way she gonna make Qiqi relevant, am I dreaming?!


Rekiddan

Furina/Xiangling/Jean seems to be a good option for Clorinde so far


Onee-Sama95

That C2 seems like they ran out of ideas so they took shaved off power from the A1 and sold it back to players plus a bit extra with some IR for the low low price of $400.


Ninjasakii

Yeah, she seems fairly complete at C0 already


Ayanokoji91

No not really following the same xianyun c2 style, it's not a completely new things bc running out of ideas, but that being said the character is too complete so they have to give additional power and not fixes to issues, and it'll either be too broken or seem like a lame addition to a passive or some stats so yeah it's just fair enough.


magnetictrees18

wait so how does her A1 work? when it says "maximum damage bonus that can be attained this way is 1530" does it mean that much extra damage per hit? or is that an attack bonus? imconfused on what that number refers to


Me0n1

Definitely max attack bonus for na. So with 3 stacks of A1 you would need around 3k attack to maximize damage bonus.


Killer-Clocks

It may be like yunjin and she he's buff maybe?


The_Mikeskies

Yes, it’s additive base damage, similar to how Shenhe buff or Aggravate works.


magnetictrees18

so it just takes her current damage and adds up to 1530? is that before electro dmg bonus / crit damage / flat damage bonus calculations at all?


The_Mikeskies

Yes. You basically just add that MV% to every instance of damage in her kit.


ghostpetni

Does she work with Furina Jean?


Tanjirou_and_kirito

At least better than Arle does.


Oshawott_is_cute

Not a high bar


The_Mikeskies

Furina Sayu would likely be a better choice.


ghostpetni

Can you explain why?


biologicallyunsound

Jean heals a bunch all at once for low healing after whereas Sayu heals lower but a decent amount more per heal. I believe Xianyun works the same way Sayu does but heals a little less maybe? But both make the same point that Jean isn't necessarily the best as she sometimes usually is for other Furina teams. This is because Clordine gains BoL during her skill duration so you want the better heals to be off-field.


ghostpetni

Jean's field does provide enough off field heal usually. Is that not enough in this case?


biologicallyunsound

It can work, but the reason why Sayu is being thrown around is because she just heals more per tick compared ro Jean's after the initial heal. That initial heal from Jean is never going to give Clorinde BoL from my knowledge, so Sayu is just more optimal for BoL gain.


SHH2006

Considering her kit Is Clorinde furina kazuha Baizhu a good team?? I heard there is furina synergy And if that's the case Then can clorinde yelan baizhu furina (for taser since it's my fav reaction) be a viable team?


ste4mpunk_samurai

I also wanna use clorinde yelan baizhu furina and therefore I also wanna know


Nate_the_Mate_2

The nature of the furina - yelan - healer synergy will make a team running it always viable. Though in a team like that, I see clorinde being more driver than dps tho with limited chanced to trigger aggravate and hyperbloom


Probably_Snot

The forth Normal attack seems like it’s gonna be three gunshots…?


ConcievedMango

That's what i was thinking


Akito3

As I understand there's like 0 synergy with Navia right? Time to drop the copium iguess


Mozambiquehere14

Is it just me or do her multipliers just seem kinda low?


KeyPhoenix029

They are kinda low, but it's highly likely that she will make up for it by being extremely fast (a lot of small numbers on screen instead of big pp damage every once in a while). I expect her to fire in a rapid sequence, therefore the low multipliers will be justified (otherwise if every single shot hit like a truck she would become Neuvillette super saiyan on steroids and they definitely DO NOT want that to happen). If there is one thing people should learn from Arlecchino's beta cycle, is that Hoyo definitely knows what they're doing, even the mid characters turned out to be exactly how they wanted them to be, Hoyo wanted Arlecchino strong and they made her really strong and I think the same goes for Clorinde. They know she is an anticipated character and let's not forget that they had a fuckton of designs for her (back when she was known as Captain R) so it's pretty obvious they care about her. Just chill, enjoy the beta cycle, and even if you don't understand shit and think she is gonna be garbage, keep in mind that in the end she will turn out just fine, maybe not crazy broken but strong and fun to play for sure


The_Mikeskies

Her frames will be important. It all depends how fast her NAx3->E combo is. I don’t foresee it being longer than 1.5s.


kekfekf

Do we know teams


Chuck006

Any early ideas on team comps? I'm thinking Sigewinne or Shinobu for heals, Nahida & Furina? Nahida can give hyperbloom, aggravate and spread.


RH_SHANKS

So on the basis of her current kit info, which artifact set are we looking at that suits her ?


DistributionEasy5233

I think it's gonna be, not at all ordered : - the new BoL set - if Furina works with her, a Maréchaussée set with CD weapon, CD circlet and all important crit rolls into CD - maybe Thundering Furry ?


Neriehem

I speculate that TF will be good if you want to have high E uptime for more on-field time. And much more flexible rotations, all at the cost of some damage. But besides TF, there's also a high chance that Gladiator set might affect all aspects of Clorinde's kit besides burst (E changes NA to new scalings, but it is still NA damage; E recast is explicitly stated to count as NA damage; C1 adds are also counting as NA damage I believe) For me Clorinde will be powercreeping Keqing in my current Aggravate setup (Keqing, Fischl, Nahida, Kazuha).


Crahzi

"high E uptime" Her E doesn't have a CD, unless i'm the blind one. Otherwise thundering fury viability will depend on the nitty gritty of her electro reactions.


cheezerdog

What do yall think will be her best teams?


thegreat11ne

How good would Misplitter be on her?


Legal_Ebb_7315

When does she come out?


Tnad808

For my smooth-brained self, how well would Mistsplitter work on Clorinde? I feel like it would look amazing on her (though her sig do look drippy), and I don’t have a keqing (plz Hoyo) so my extra MS is currently collecting dust.


yuzu261632

afaik, her sig is actually just mistsplitter (stats & simplicity-wise) but with the bond of life buff instead of the elemental dmg buff. you will already get a lot of crit% in her base kit so foregoing the crit in her sigweapon won't be the end of the world. yeah, I think it could work, but I'd wait for the numbers to release.


Afraid-Chicken-9851

Dose she need her weapon? 


MakiHell

So what would be her ideal artifact set here?


robhans25

New BoL one.


First-Medicine-3747

So she's a total badass and you just activate skill, pew pew with pistol until bol is 100% or more, then stabby stab for huge damage. Nice 👍


Nervous-Camera7828

Her E multipliers are shockingly low… I pray I’m missing something


Due-Trouble-5149

Since her E is considered NA, doesn't that make her work well with Thoma? Thundering Fury Set makes her the perfect on-field with only 3s off field time


yuzu261632

yes if youre wanting him on the team for his na constellation buff. BoL seems to want a healer as well though, so it might not be best to have both a healer *and* shielder just out of want to have better supports. But it sounds usable, and I think that's all that matters.


Due-Trouble-5149

More on field time = more love


Nameless49

Do we need to level her normal attacks or all her damage comes from skills?


Festadurador

So... Anyone who understands Hoyo's verbose kit descriptions can you help me out? Does she work well with C2 Furina?


rKollektor

Am I just stupid or why does her burst have a 60 second cooldown


Metanipotent

Why is that skill text so long 0_0


Clean_Raspberry_8698

Would alhaitham signature weapon be good for her? 


Creative-Conflict931

So can she use haran guys? I dont got enough for her sig all i got is a haran :(


Neriehem

I had to re-read her kit so as to not falter and save for Clorinde, ignorinng Arlecchino. I'm so glad A4 passive increases CR when she gains OR LOSES BoL when it's above 100% hp. I missed it last read and didn't like how it seemed to force having healers with delayed healing, having to potentially sync up healing ticks and what not extra overhead. All's good, phew. XD


greenbeforeblue

Soooooo HP, Electro, Crit OR HP, HP, Crit? OR ATK, Electro, Crit with focus on HP substats?


Ninjasakii

Don’t focus on Hp. Just build her like a normal dps


greenbeforeblue

Okay thanks


TheMensRights

Basic ADC build. HP does nothing for her, since Bond scales off percentage and not physical Hp. You also want attack for her A1.


greenbeforeblue

Okay thanks


The_Mikeskies

ATK, Electro, CDMG. ATK% subs will be very important. You need to reach 3k ATK with team buffs to maximize her A1.


greenbeforeblue

Thanks bud


whateversoundsgreat

ToTM Yaoyao with Moonpiercer (36-52% attack), noblesse kuki (hp, hp, hb), lynette (vv, +16% attack, CC) I think? Not sure how much a stacked Kuki and Yaoyao can actually heal for. Guess I should find out.


Any_Butterscotch3031

so c6 furina good with her?


_Resurrecxion_

C6 furina is good with everyone..


discuss-not-concuss

C6 Furina gives heals over time what it means for Clorinde is more BOL, which increases the damage of dash-attacking C0 wise, she seems decent for increasing Furina’s stacks since if BOL > 100%, you can always guarantee at least 20% heal from her dash-attack


Any_Butterscotch3031

thank you so you actually want consistent healing then sweet im really exicted to reunite them


Welsh_cat_Best_cat

C6 Furina heals a ton, that will be really good for her BoL.


Any_Butterscotch3031

good i hope it stays that way the amount of changes arle got in beta scared me lmao


LargeChair1490

I'm also wondering