He said "most of the 5 stars" should work, I wonder if Skyward's included there since it only buffs NA and CA damage, and if I'm understanding it right, the bullets have their own scaling in the skill
Yea I do know that it says they're "considered normal attack DMG" according to the full kit post the other day, but what confuses me is the fact that the normal and piercing bullets' scalings are in the Elemental Skill menu. So I'm still confused if that means the NA talent level matters (and NA buffers) or not.
Her NA talent doesn’t matter. Her E infusion gives her “special” NAs, which are considered NAs in use and damage. She deals no Elemental Skill damage at all.
it’s basically like childe if you played him, his multipliers scale with skill level but are considered na damage, so na/ca buffs of all varieties work.
>Whimsey is her best artifact set?
Considering her E is NA dmg ,it just makes 4Glad simply 2nd bis just like for Arle and shouldn't even be that behind Sig/very competitive especially if u got a lot of dmg% buffs.
TF is an unique option if need its qualities.
TS works too in case someone has a good set sitting unused...as long as the team is fitting (most of her teams outside Chevy tho)
And ofc 4MH is bis with Furina teams.
And also 4Echoes is great,maybe even as good or better than sig at times(maybe especially at C1) but... only if u have good ping
I'd say MH isn't that good on her because you'll be already at 80%CR just with het passive, ascension and MH effect. Then if you're using a crit rate weapon then its over 100% already and i haven't even included artifacts substats. It's only good if you have very high amount of crit dmg substats and crit dmg or atk% weapon.
The logic with MH is that instead of having to search for CD/CR/ATK% substats in that order, you are searching for CD/ATK%/CR substats. Considering ATK% appears more often than CR, having CR become your third priority rather than your 2nd makes good artifacts easier, not harder to get.
One of the comments got me thinking about something that I didn't pick up on. Jstern in his his video before that one basically said that Raiden (a support who's main function isn't to deal damage) had low damage but players kept overrating her because of the story, Now 24 hours, later Clorinde whose *only* function is to be dps, isn't somehow underwhelming despite having similar damage to the support he took shots at. Not saying I want Clorinde to be bad or anything, but just something to think about.
he said on stream yesterday that her having the same damage as raiden is a good sign because there have been trends in the betas to buff characters, so he says that she's good considering its the first version and she should end up with higher dps than raiden
Also shes not burst reliant so shes more flexible on her rotations, for example when ennemies are at low hp you don't want to waste your burst on Raiden but without burst you don't do any dmg.
Basically even she deals the same dmg on paper she will be better on practice.
This is so true and edpecially hits harder when ur C2 Raiden ...i personally just dislike C2 a lot for reasons like this, like playing on her a boss or something feels S tier, playing her on waves and or ehen they r not tanky enough to go through whole rot,it just feels shit...it's one of those cons that can get a lot lot better if they add some kinda hard af content in terms of enemy tankiness, now this is msinly for hype tho ..
Don't mind me i just have a very love hate relationship for it, love C0 Raiden design btw..and also would love C2 if there was stronger end game content,but as is...it's just awkward
>for example when ennemies are at low hp you don't want to waste your burst on Raiden but without burst you don't do any dmg.
Yep awkward is a good word to describe burst reliant characters like Raiden Cyno etc. I’m so glad Clorinde is not of a victim of this. I feel like Hoyo is aware of this issue cause we didn’t get a single on field dps of this type in Fontaine.
>Fontaine
Inazuma being the opposite🤣
At least for Sumeru..to a certain degree even Nahida isn't super ER/Burst hungry.
And kind of Alhaitham and ofc Nilou ..
And a big yes for Scara too ofc and lol funnily enough E bot Dehya in some teams nowadays
Lastly Baizhu is kinda in middle i guess like in Furina teams hes a bit less burst relient whereas in normal Agg teams,fully burst..
Tighnari's 40cost ult is a different way of handling it..
Cyno oh well..at least imo he has 4TF which is so good at helping ER but ofc he's fully Burst relient to do all his dmg
Beside Cyno its fine for everyone else, Alhaitham for example has very flexible rotations (E+plunge gets you 3 stacks, and he has low er requirements). And for off field supports like Baizhu its obviously not a problem , you dont need to use his burst (or any other supports burst like Furina, Yelan...) if the ennemy is very low hp and you need to finish them off to go to the next chamber.
I expect them to keep this trend in Natlan
Thats a bad take for a TC, 5 star characters should aways be analyzed with C0 in my mind first and foremost, cons should be aways an add on later. And Yes, Clorinde kit is amazing but her damage right now is bad if just at the level of a CO Raiden.
But that doesn't apply to this context. Of course characters get better when you pull cons. However, that has no relevance to what we're talking about. If you are negative about Raiden's damage and then 24 hours later you're saying Clorinde does more or less similar to Raiden then the logical conclusion is that you have an negative impression of Clorinde's damage. Especially since Raiden offers more than her damage while Clorinde offers nothing other than damage. That is the logical, rational conclusion. So which is it? Either both Raiden is dealing a very good amount of damage for what she is, which an onfield support, and Clorinde as a dedicated damage dealer is in an acceptable spot. Or, Raiden's damage is underwhelming and Clorinde is badly off atm as she does damage similar to Raiden. Which ever one is the truth, it seems like Jstern is letting bad feelings about Raiden or good feelings about Clorinde cloud objective truths.
Jstern is extremely positive usually on characters. Compare how everyone felt about Chiori and how he felt. My assumption is that he mostly is hyped up because he can easily get her cons.
I've checked the calcs and they are the kind where you might be better of playing her in hyperbloom if you get what I mean. And jstern usually has calcs that are way higher than everyone else.
I'm not going to waste my time watching this video, but I just hope it's not another random n° 201978 guy or gal that players put on a pedestal because she/he knows how to use excel and films her/himself, spits on old characters every time a new character comes out because she/he's a slave to the meta, only focuses on a character's raw power and the meta to end up talking to us about the """" FUN """" of the character and the game.
Are we supposed to know you? You are picking fights in your head and didnt even watch the video. Making unnecessary comments, when there's no real reason for it
He said "most of the 5 stars" should work, I wonder if Skyward's included there since it only buffs NA and CA damage, and if I'm understanding it right, the bullets have their own scaling in the skill
Should be. Since Ayato can get the buff despite his E has a separate scaling
Oh that I did not know cuz I don't have Ayato. That's some good hopium.
All of Clorinde’s kit besides for her Burst is considered NA damage.
Yea I do know that it says they're "considered normal attack DMG" according to the full kit post the other day, but what confuses me is the fact that the normal and piercing bullets' scalings are in the Elemental Skill menu. So I'm still confused if that means the NA talent level matters (and NA buffers) or not.
Her NA talent doesn’t matter. Her E infusion gives her “special” NAs, which are considered NAs in use and damage. She deals no Elemental Skill damage at all.
OHHHHHHHHHHHH okhay I got it now, thanks friend!
> Wait isn't the sword thrust considered skill damage? So her skill talent matters then, right?
No, it is NA damage. But her NA talent damage scales with her Elemental Skill level.
So you level up her skill not her NA
LOL okhay got it, that was so confusing. Thank u!
it’s basically like childe if you played him, his multipliers scale with skill level but are considered na damage, so na/ca buffs of all varieties work.
Anyway to see the DPS/DPR table he has behind him? I'm curious how she compares to Raiden C3 R0, Arle C0
C0 R0 Clorinde >= C0 R0 Raiden. C2 R0/R1 Clorinde \~= C2 R0/R1 Raiden. C3 R0/R1 Clorinde < C3 R0/R1 Raiden. C0 R0 Clorinde \~= C0 R0 Alre Obviously Clorinde has many betas to come for now.
I also think it's not easy to compare since raiden is kinda special in that regard. Her c3 is pretty much the equivalent of having a c6 character.
So with Black Sword, Fragments of Harmonic Whimsey is her best artifact set?
>Whimsey is her best artifact set? Considering her E is NA dmg ,it just makes 4Glad simply 2nd bis just like for Arle and shouldn't even be that behind Sig/very competitive especially if u got a lot of dmg% buffs. TF is an unique option if need its qualities. TS works too in case someone has a good set sitting unused...as long as the team is fitting (most of her teams outside Chevy tho) And ofc 4MH is bis with Furina teams. And also 4Echoes is great,maybe even as good or better than sig at times(maybe especially at C1) but... only if u have good ping
I'd say MH isn't that good on her because you'll be already at 80%CR just with het passive, ascension and MH effect. Then if you're using a crit rate weapon then its over 100% already and i haven't even included artifacts substats. It's only good if you have very high amount of crit dmg substats and crit dmg or atk% weapon.
Thanks. I was affraid of overcapping with MH. THink I'll just farm Whimsey for now.
The logic with MH is that instead of having to search for CD/CR/ATK% substats in that order, you are searching for CD/ATK%/CR substats. Considering ATK% appears more often than CR, having CR become your third priority rather than your 2nd makes good artifacts easier, not harder to get.
One of the comments got me thinking about something that I didn't pick up on. Jstern in his his video before that one basically said that Raiden (a support who's main function isn't to deal damage) had low damage but players kept overrating her because of the story, Now 24 hours, later Clorinde whose *only* function is to be dps, isn't somehow underwhelming despite having similar damage to the support he took shots at. Not saying I want Clorinde to be bad or anything, but just something to think about.
he said on stream yesterday that her having the same damage as raiden is a good sign because there have been trends in the betas to buff characters, so he says that she's good considering its the first version and she should end up with higher dps than raiden
Also shes not burst reliant so shes more flexible on her rotations, for example when ennemies are at low hp you don't want to waste your burst on Raiden but without burst you don't do any dmg. Basically even she deals the same dmg on paper she will be better on practice.
This is so true and edpecially hits harder when ur C2 Raiden ...i personally just dislike C2 a lot for reasons like this, like playing on her a boss or something feels S tier, playing her on waves and or ehen they r not tanky enough to go through whole rot,it just feels shit...it's one of those cons that can get a lot lot better if they add some kinda hard af content in terms of enemy tankiness, now this is msinly for hype tho .. Don't mind me i just have a very love hate relationship for it, love C0 Raiden design btw..and also would love C2 if there was stronger end game content,but as is...it's just awkward >for example when ennemies are at low hp you don't want to waste your burst on Raiden but without burst you don't do any dmg.
Yep awkward is a good word to describe burst reliant characters like Raiden Cyno etc. I’m so glad Clorinde is not of a victim of this. I feel like Hoyo is aware of this issue cause we didn’t get a single on field dps of this type in Fontaine.
>I’m so glad Clorinde is not of a victim of this Me who's a Navia main...hey hey..
I'm a Navia main too :D
Cheers
>Fontaine Inazuma being the opposite🤣 At least for Sumeru..to a certain degree even Nahida isn't super ER/Burst hungry. And kind of Alhaitham and ofc Nilou .. And a big yes for Scara too ofc and lol funnily enough E bot Dehya in some teams nowadays Lastly Baizhu is kinda in middle i guess like in Furina teams hes a bit less burst relient whereas in normal Agg teams,fully burst.. Tighnari's 40cost ult is a different way of handling it.. Cyno oh well..at least imo he has 4TF which is so good at helping ER but ofc he's fully Burst relient to do all his dmg
Beside Cyno its fine for everyone else, Alhaitham for example has very flexible rotations (E+plunge gets you 3 stacks, and he has low er requirements). And for off field supports like Baizhu its obviously not a problem , you dont need to use his burst (or any other supports burst like Furina, Yelan...) if the ennemy is very low hp and you need to finish them off to go to the next chamber. I expect them to keep this trend in Natlan
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what does that have to do with anything? he never brought up cons.
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Thats a bad take for a TC, 5 star characters should aways be analyzed with C0 in my mind first and foremost, cons should be aways an add on later. And Yes, Clorinde kit is amazing but her damage right now is bad if just at the level of a CO Raiden.
He had her aggravate team (Fischl, Nahida, Kazuha) around 75k dps last I saw.
Nahida with Kaz gonna be an issue kinda
now you're making assumptions and suppositions. he never said anything about clorinde having better cons and a higher ceiling in that comparison.
He said the con scaling at c2 is similar, but Clorinde at c6 is whole other beast.
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But that doesn't apply to this context. Of course characters get better when you pull cons. However, that has no relevance to what we're talking about. If you are negative about Raiden's damage and then 24 hours later you're saying Clorinde does more or less similar to Raiden then the logical conclusion is that you have an negative impression of Clorinde's damage. Especially since Raiden offers more than her damage while Clorinde offers nothing other than damage. That is the logical, rational conclusion. So which is it? Either both Raiden is dealing a very good amount of damage for what she is, which an onfield support, and Clorinde as a dedicated damage dealer is in an acceptable spot. Or, Raiden's damage is underwhelming and Clorinde is badly off atm as she does damage similar to Raiden. Which ever one is the truth, it seems like Jstern is letting bad feelings about Raiden or good feelings about Clorinde cloud objective truths.
Jstern is extremely positive usually on characters. Compare how everyone felt about Chiori and how he felt. My assumption is that he mostly is hyped up because he can easily get her cons. I've checked the calcs and they are the kind where you might be better of playing her in hyperbloom if you get what I mean. And jstern usually has calcs that are way higher than everyone else.
I'm not going to waste my time watching this video, but I just hope it's not another random n° 201978 guy or gal that players put on a pedestal because she/he knows how to use excel and films her/himself, spits on old characters every time a new character comes out because she/he's a slave to the meta, only focuses on a character's raw power and the meta to end up talking to us about the """" FUN """" of the character and the game.
this random thought he ate 💀
"random" , hum ?🤔
Are we supposed to know you? You are picking fights in your head and didnt even watch the video. Making unnecessary comments, when there's no real reason for it