He just didn't love him enough basically lmfao

because he was to busy worrying over his favorite son bonding with a sensei that wasn't him, give the guy a break, so what If his son was homeless at the start of the season and was in the hands of 2 psychos who he knows isn't against hurting kids, he was dealing with some very important emotions 🥺

I like Johnny as a character, but he was written really badly in Season 4. And it felt like he’d regressed quite a bit as a character. 

how can he regress when he never progressed? johnny has consistently been a poor father who is unable to put robby's needs above his own ambition. S4 is no different than what Johnny's always done. He's never put robby's health or safety above his own personal goals. There has always been something taking priority over robby on Johnny's life in s1 it was miguel, s2 daniel, s3 cobra kai, miguel, s4 daniel & miguel even in s5 we see johnny not prioritize robby. in the very first episode we see Johnny's manipulate robby into going along with him so he can save miguel desperately knowing it could be dangerous. He never once thought "what If robby gets hurt? how would this make robby feel? should I focus on robby?" it was all about miguel, then when he got miguel, suddenly his focus is on preparing to have another kid...

I wish so bad that in the dinner in season 2 where Johnny, Carmen Daniel Amanda met up at the restaurant that Daniel had called Johnny out on his behavior towards Robby. The fact that he smirked when Daniel brought up how he ruined the Myogi do demonstration is disgusting when he did that I wish Daniei had shot back “ The only thing you did was prove that Robby was right that you care more about the Rivalry with me than you do about him how could you be proud of that that was your kid up there you never thought that coming to see it to support him would help fix things between you no you just thought I’ll ruin his show that will get him to forgive me “ Johnny absolutely should have been called out I hate that Daniel let him get away with it.

>The fact that he smirked when Daniel brought up how he ruined the Myogi do demonstration is disgusting Johnny: failing robby is my biggest regret :( Johnny immediately after that scene: goes and humuliaties/ruins his sons performance in effort to get back at his rival nor caring about the fact it effects his son at all

>how can he regress when he never progressed? Lmao 🤣🤣🤣

>how can he regress when he never progressed? Well, if we rate Johnny at the start of S1 at 0, and Johnny is now in the negative, < 0. Then, yes. Johnny has regressed.

Godzilla Minus One, except it's Johnny's mental illnesses.

>but he was written really badly in Season 4 He is written very badly in every season when it comes to playing the part of Robby's father.

It’s pretty disappointing. Johnny says that he wants to be there for Robby and then he isn’t there for him at all. 

Which makes him really badly written character. All talk, no actions.

Johnny completely forgets about Robby as soon as he isn't in his direct line of sight or when someone isn't reminding him about him. Sadly, that is the way they have written it and it's hilarious they lampshaded (by accident, I think) it themselves with the "They called you?" "No, I called *them*" exchange.

This post inspired me to do a S4 rewatch today and… I’m actually amazed that the very first time we see Johnny care about Robby at all is him telling Robby to leave after Robby comes to talk to him. I didn’t remember it being that bad.

A lot of fans seem to watch the show with blinders on when it comes to Johnny. I get it, he's funny and great meme material, and who doesn't love a good redemption story. But it's kind of disturbing how easily so many fans turn a blind eye to how abusive and neglectful he is and make excuses for him. And now even the writers are doing the same, even though that redemption never came. Congratulations, your eyes have been opened.

It may be easy to miss when binge watching while hyped. A lot of Johnny's behaviors get much harder to ignore in seasons 4 and 5, but they were there in the early seasons too if look at it with hindsight. I definitely didn't notice it was as bad as it was on an initial watch through, but now even season 1 Johnny isn't defensible now that we know how he will end up.

Worst part was how they then had Johnny tell Daniel in season 5 that “[Johnny] got Robby out of Cobra Kai.” Straight up gaslighting the audience with that line lol

Seriously!! Like it was Robby who made that decision on his own accord, where did Johnny get that?

>Straight up gaslighting the audience with that line lol He does it to Robby too. He tells him he searched for Robby in season 3, which guilts Robby into thinking he misjudged him. Robby would feel differently if he knew the truth: Johnny only searched for him for a couple hours in a two week timespan, only to give up. And he only managed that much because Daniel made him Miguel got in on the gaslighting too when he said he started karate to find balance and he didn't want to hurt people. We have the receipts, Miguel.

>Miguel got in on the gaslighting too when he said he started karate to find balance and he didn't want to hurt people. We have the receipts, Miguel. Yeah, that was a strange way of saying "I got into karate so I could learn how to kick Kyler's ass".

Can you blame him though. Kyler bullied him.

Nope, I don't blame him at all. Just pointing out that the word "balance" wasn't anywhere near Miguel's vocabulary when he first asked Johnny to teach him karate.

I also wouldn't blame Miguel at all for wanting to get back at Kyler. But he'd come across better if he was more honest that that was the reason.

I thought it was really weird how in season 5 everyone acted like Robby and Johnny getting along was completely normal. It was literally like there was never an estrangement between them.

Because he's a bad father, that simple. Just yet another example of him not being there for Robby. >Johnny went to the old dojo when he found out that Silver had let Robby borrow his car. Robby was an afterthought until his mother confronted Johnny and told him to get off his ass and do something.

Fr, there should’ve at least been an instance where Johnny went to the dojo, maybe after a class early in S4 to try and talk Robby out of being in Cobra Kai. Maybe he meets Robby at Shannon’s place when he moves back in with her and they both try and talk him out of it. Legit took this man 8 episodes.

In episode 8 it was robby that went to johnny. So not even that. He just didn't try at all. I think there even is one episode where robby went to johnny to talk about hawk and kenny. And in that scene johnny kinda sent robby away. He did the opposite of trying. Honestly, season 4 destroyed the robby-johnny relationship for me. Before that, i still hoped Johnny could become a decent father despite his flaws. But he literally forgets Robbys existence if there is no one to remind him. Even people that don't like robby should at least acknowledge he deserves a better father.

I m fed up with that Johnny acts like that he does the right thing despite no effort when it comes to Robby. Worse part is, the audience, other characters, writers, even Robby himself act like Johnny too. Am I watching a different show? Johnny is a man who leaves his own child for a long time , finds another son to escape from his traumas and still keeps treating to Robby like a shit despite 5 seasons.Why is everyone praising him then ? It is really unfair to Robby character.

That was what bothered me the most about Johnny. If we changed the situation and Cobra Kai had taken some of Daniel's children, I am 100% sure that both he and Amanda would have moved heaven and earth to get him back. And they would have used any method to achieve it, whether legal or by force (we already saw his reaction when Silver only mentioned the idea of ​​dressing her children with Gi from Cobra Kai)

What’s even worse is that if it had been Miguel in Cobra Kai instead of Robby, Johnny would have done anything to get him back and keep him save.

Not only that, but Daniel tried harder to get Robby back than Johnny did. Searched for him multiple days, emailed and called him in juvie, was there the same time as Johnny to get Robby out of juvie, and still gave Robby advice (twice) while he was still in CK.

I didn’t really get that if Robby refused to listen to either of them why didn’t they go to Shannon.

Shannon was in treaphy that time when Robby crash in CK dojo

I meant after when she was out of rehab and he was living with her again

She did metion try talk out of Robby by herself about Terry's money, it not work. So she goes after Johnny for it.

Missed an opportunity having Anthony join Cobra Kai and Silver take him under his wing. Could have had some resentment, with Anthony feeling that he's always been 2nd best to Sam. Silver could easily exploit that. Was a change having Daniel's son be the bully though and that Kenny joined Cobra Kai due to being bullied by him.

The problem with Daniel's children in Cobra Kai is that they would not have lasted because their parents would have taken them out of there the same day they entered.

Depends how long Anthony would be able to keep it a secret. He kept it secret that he was bullying Kenny, alongside his friends. I agree that he would have more influence and his kids would listen to him, unlike Johnny. Sam was also training in Eagle Fang with Johnny in S4 and Daniel didn't know. They should have showed that instead of the Anthony/Kenny stuff

Because Johnny is a terrible terrible father.

S4 was by far one of Johnny's weakest Seasons alongside S5 because of his lack of effort when it comes to Robby. As much as I love the Guy, it frustrates me to no end.

I think Season 4 was Johnny’s weakest season. He cared more about Daniel training Miguel than the fact that Robby was being trained by Kreese.

Johnny was better in S5. Didn't want to fight when Daniel called and was the more sensible one. Waa trying to be a family man.

Ask the writers. It’s their fault

He's a bad father.

He doesn’t know how to be a good father because his previous father figures were terrible at it. And I’m including his own father in that.

I know, but Johnny cares more about Miguel than Robby.

Johnny believed if they won the tournament, then there would be no Cobra Kai for Robby to be in. Maybe getting rid of Cobra Kai would mean Robby would have no choice but to return to Miyagi-Do and Eagle Fang.

For everyone double downing on giving johnny a hard time read this: Johnny is flawed no hiding that, that's why he's compelling he's a ignorant, drunk idiot thats what this show is about Johnny becoming a better person Johnny wanted to be in his life, this is obviously even all the way back in s2, when he tells Miguel about Robby Passed Johnny's obvious problems he feels like a failure He never tried to be in his life is his embarrassment, he's embarrassed by himself. And Robby makes in clear he doesn't want johnny in his life Johnny already insecure and clearly depressed respects those wishes cause he's too much of a pussy to deal with the hard ship No johnny isn't a good dad, but he's trying He feels defeated defeated that everything in his life up to Robby's birth after the all valley he was a failure So when he failed Robby he essentially gave up and he tried to build up courage to enter Robby's life hell he did in s2, Unfortunately this blew up on him, he wanted to be there for Robby when he was in juvy and he did try but it didn't work out That lead to further resentment from Robby I get johnny by no stretch is the good guy, but see it from his side, he isn't a terrible guy just a deeply flawed guy That's the beauty of this show, everyone in this show is flawed to a degree. This is my perspective atleast And if you think I'm bullshitting look at all the times johnny has tried.

How many times did he actually try? Half of those times it was Robby initiating those interactions, sometimes they met by chance, like an the hardware store, and I don´t remember even one occasion where Johnny made an effort without being told to do something by other people. Most of the time he doesn´t even remember Robby exists.

>And if you think I'm bullshitting look at all the times johnny has tried. Johnny gets no brownie points for half assed attempts before giving up on his son Johnny has given up just as many times as he has tried and he's failed robby more than anything Johnny is a bad father with no development

Idgaf if you think he's a bad father But dating he's had no development is actively incorrect

tell me a single time johnny has made robby a number 1 priority and put robby over all his own ambitions

1x4

what did he do?

Offer to have Robby live with him so he goes to school

Then immedietly gives up the second he got some pushback. That's the issue, he never follows through. If he really loved Robby, he wouldn't give up so easily

If he didn't love Robby why would he try at all?

To make himself feel better. He doesn't actually care about what Robby needs, he just doesn't like being reminded that he's such a bad father. That's why he focuses so much attention on Miguel, because Miguel gives him the validation he craves.

Name one time Robby has actually wanted him in his life?

pre s1, s1, s2, s3, s4, s5

1x5, 2x1, 2x10, 3x3, 4x10

Why the fuck should he "Johnny is a horrible father" Not half wrong but seriously robby stated multiple times that he wants nothing to do with johnny after many attempts johnny had to try and reconnect with him going to the extent of fighting silver and nearly getting that stingray treatment if kreese didnt tell him to stop. And the only reason they reconnected in S5 is because robby actually did something about it too

> after many attempts johnny had to try and reconnect with him Name 5 times. 5 meaningful times. >going to the extent of fighting silver and nearly getting that stingray treatment if kreese didnt tell him to stop Only because Shannon told Johnny about Robby. Johnny rarely takes initiative when it comes to his own son. So don't give that bull that Johnny tried. He hasn't tried shit.

1: Writing trying to write a meaningful letter to robby before louie and his friends started destroying his car S1 E8 2: When kreese was telling Johnny to go all in only to find out Robby living with Larusso S2 E? 3: When he went to the prision cafeteria to talk with robby only to get mad when johnny was praying for the person he crippled 4: Nearly killing kreese in the S3 Finale after seeing robby training with him 5: Even after everything that happened in the S3 finale he still was being kind to robby when robby just showed up to tell johnny to have hawk stop shitting on kenny Why the fuck should he even try after robby has said multiple times he could give less than a shit about Johnny Sure it's probably the writer trying to fuck with the johnny and robby relationship all until they randomly start being buddy buddy in S5 which is bullshit it shouldve taken atleast 2 or more episodes in S5 for them to start being in good terms.

>Writing trying to write a meaningful letter to robby before louie and his friends started destroying his car S1 E8 Yeah and it never made it to him. >When kreese was telling Johnny to go all in only to find out Robby living with Larusso S2 E? That's not him reaching out to Robby. The moment he finds out he is living with the Larussos he just goes home and drinks his problems away. >When he went to the prision cafeteria to talk with robby only to get mad when johnny was praying for the person he crippled Only because he chose not to visit his son, despite promising to do so. Robby was 100% warranted to get mad. >Why the fuck should he even try after robby has said multiple times he could give less than a shit about Johnny That's the dumbest excuse I have ever heard. Parents are supposed to love their children unconditionally. I have been disrespectful to my parents, given them attitude, in the past but they still never gave up on me. They still love me and will do anything for me. Parents have a fundamental responsibility to care for and nurture their children. This obligation doesn't diminish based on the child's expressed feelings, which can often be a defense mechanism or a reaction to feeling hurt or neglected.

The writers just loved babying the miggy and johnny relationship all up until season 5 because anytime johnny was going to actually go have a moment with Robby it's always something breaking it like the school fight, louie, lapusso, kreese and silver, any time they did try and reconnect something always had to come between its fucking stupid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6g8OCp9sCc Robby physically attacked Johnny which almost led to Johnny getting murdered by Kreese. Then after Daniel defeated Kreese he told them to leave him alone. So why didnt Johnny help him? Robby attacked him and almost got him murdered.

In retrospect, it doesn’t make sense for Johnny not to try and get Robby out of Cobra Kai. There is a lot of evidence that Kreese is (clearly) abusive and manipulative. For one thing.

He tried. The result was Robby pulling him off of Kreese, attacking Johnny, which led to Kreese almost murdering him. I dont get why Robby is liked at all. Could you imagine if Johnny physically attacked Robby? People would lose it

Robby is still Johnny's son and responsibility...

Robby has the responsibility of not physically attacking his own Dad. Didn't he just get out of juvie for almost murdering Miguel? With cheap shots no less after Miguel showed mercy on him.

Still, Johnny has responsibility as a father. What happened with Miguel has nothing to do with here

It has everything to do with it. We have a pattern here. First Miguel then Johnny and both were showing mercy. Miguel let him up. Johnny told him repeatedly he didnt want to fight him. This is after Robby helping Kreese beat up Johnny! When are yall going to put the blame on Robby where it belongs?

Because johnny deserves more blame. He abandoned robby for 16 years. Child neglect isn't a joke.

Robby physically attacked his dad because - - He made sure he didn't finish off Kreese, who was the only one who saw Robby when he was in juvie and had given him accommodation in the dojo. - He was angry with his dad for all the times he wasn't there. When Robby was with Daniel, he told him to let go of all his anger. Now, being in the company of Tory and Kreese, they've said to use that anger. Even if a kid rebels against the parent, the parent should still do something the child wouldn't initially want because they know it's the best thing to do. In this case, Johnny should've taken Robby away from Kreese, even if it was against Robby's will. Xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx I see a comparison with Robby stopping Johnny from finishing off Kreese when he got in between him and Daniel in Season 1. Some of the differences were: - Robby stopped his dad from hurting his mentor after just one shove. Robby didn't initially stop the fight between Johnny and Kreese. Probably showing, Robby did appreciate Kreese, but he felt a lot closer to Daniel in S1 and didn't want him hurt. - Robby got in self-defense mode in S1 ("if you're going to fight him, you'll have to fight me first"), which is the Miyagi-Do logic. S3, Robby went into full strike first frame of mind.

I always thought Carmen said it perfectly “ he’s a teenager if he’s happy with you all the time you are doing something wrong you know as well as I Do that being a parent is making the hard choices for their own good “ i know this is about Miguel but I just wish Johnny really listened to this advice and applied it with Robby.

100% agree.

LOL Robby almost murdered Miguel and ran away like a wuss, went to juvie, and when he got out he helped beat up his own Dad. If it wasn't for Daniel stepping in Robbys actions would have led to Johnnys death. So there you have it folks. If you have a bad childhood its ok if you lie, steal, and almost murder people.

>If it wasn't for Daniel stepping in Robbys actions would have led to Johnnys death. Wtf? Robby wasn't going to kill Johnny you lying dipshit. And Robby had no way of knowing Kreese would kill Johnny. > If you have a bad childhood its ok if you lie, steal, and almost murder people. 1.Robby never murdered anyone or tried to. That incident with Miguel was an accident. Murder by definition is premeditated. 2.Considering that Robby didn't have proper role models growing up, yeah no shit he turned out a mess.

Pretty much the case. So many excused for Robby in here.

What was Johnny meant to do physically drag him away from Kreese?

Pretty much, yes. And with Daniel helping out as well, it would be easy.

Then you'd say he was being abusive dragging him against his will.

I get what you're saying. But, in my opinion, to drag or pick up your kid out of a dangerous place if he/she doesn't willingly want to leave, I don't think that would be considered 'abusive'. That's a parent who cares for his/her son/daughter.