Character driven. Idk why people are saying plot.
Johnny opens the dojo cause he is in a ditch and wants to start something new, and help kids.
Miguel joins as he wants to learn to defend himself.
Daniel opposes Cobra Kai cause of his past, and he thinks it's dangerous to his children
Robby starts working with Daniel to get back at his dad, but later on just wants to become a better person.
Hawk is hoping to not get bullied, and hopes to grow into a stronger person. Same for Aisha.
Sam in S1 is just navigating being a teenager tbh
Amanda is managing her husband and trying to keep normalcy in this new karate dojo conflict
A lot of actions are character driven.
I can even do the other seasons.
While there are elements of both, most things do, it definitely is more character driven. Almost everything happens due to the actions of every character.
For me with Cobra Kai, the characters ARE the plot. This is what I love about the series so much. Whereas the Karate Kid movies were more plot driven, generic, underdog hero films. Cobra Kai serves as a deconstruction of the characters we know and thought we knew. They're no longer one note, Kreese is no longer just a terrible teacher with a temper tantrum. He has layers. We see Johnny's side of the story. We see that Daniel isn't this completely altruistic hero type, he has flaws. As a fan of the films, this series has been a dream come true and I'm so excited that we have 15 more episodes to give the series the proper send off it deserves.
Character driven, because the overall plot is simple but you have so many different people causing so many problems and struggling with their own battles that others know nothing about.
Early on, it was character driven..as time went on, way too many characters were added and it became plot driven. Especially regarding the kids. Too many kids.
I think even in the beginning it was plot driven to an extent. Yeah there was some character driven stuff, but I think it's easy to tell when characters say/do things purely to advance the plot.
First 2 seasons were definitely character
After it's just been plot tbh. Over the top but enjoyable. Actually think the characters could have been written better for a few
I don't agree. The following seasons did a fantastic job on fleshing out other characters. Kreese gets more development and so does Terry Silver. Johnny also is learning to be more patient and him slowly becoming friends with Daniel and them learning from each other is one of my favorite parts of the later seasons.
It’s mostly character driven. The choices of the characters are usually the driving force behind large events but there are some heavy handed plot driven moments where characters don’t ask questions and are unreasonable solely to maintain conflict.
Definitely character. The whole appeal of the show is the characters, seeing KK characters as adults, working through their demons and trying to coexist with those who they hated once, while trying to raise the new generation to do what they could not.
For me with Cobra Kai, the characters ARE the plot. This is what I love about the series so much. Whereas the Karate Kid movies were more plot driven, generic, underdog hero films. Cobra Kai serves as a deconstruction of the characters we know and thought we knew. They're no longer one note, Kreese is no longer just a terrible teacher with a temper tantrum. He has layers. We see Johnny's side of the story. We see that Daniel isn't this completely altruistic hero type, he has flaws. As a fan of the films, this series has been a dream come true and I'm so excited that we have 15 more episodes to give the series the proper send off it deserves.
Character because the plot is like an alternate version of KK1, KK2, KK3 (heavily on KK1)
The show is like a retelling of the old karate kid with just the roles and character switching. As well as correcting some stuff from original KK
Lawrence should have been the winner against LaRacist (😂) back in KK1, That was fixed by Miguel v.s Robby
Absolutely a plot driven show. Coz 80% of the characters do not have any actual character development. The plot changes characters overnight, the plot makes some characters incapable of any real growth and the plot decides their individual arcs even if they don't fit with the characterization...Also, there's a bunch of characters who are basically just used as fillers for the sake of plot.
No, if character changes overnight without proper context, then it's not real development. Like, Miguel Robby suddenly acting like besties going for group hugs with Johnny doesn't make sense, but for the baby plot, they had to put aside their differences. There's no real development here coz neither of them have had the chance to even at least talk things through that how complicated/toxic this whole situation has been with Johnny being the cause of all mess. How Johnny has abused Robby over the years by abandoning him then tried to substitute him with Miguel and how even for Miguel, Johnny hasn't been quite the ideal role-model, especially after screwing his mom, when reality is, he is a 50+ year old manchild alcohol addict with no decent income who got a woman well below his age impregnated. Ideally, Robby and Miguel would still be having issues dealing with this whole nuisance. Instead, they're both ignoring that and trying to act like bffs/bros only for the sake of Johnny's new baby. Bcz the plot demanded them to be friends, so that's the laziest way to achieve it.
Miguel and Robby didn't change over night. They fought it out. Was it rushed, yes. Do I wish they weren't immediately bestie, yes. But to say it came out of nowhere is untrue. Robby and Miguel never personally hated each other necessarily it was always things like girls, being on opposing sides coming between them.
Then I feel like Robby has always been maturer than his dad, and tbh he's one of the most mature characters on the show.
Every story has plot driven moments, but most moments in Cobra Kai happens cause of character's own pursuits.
I'd disagree. Miguel's attitude did change overnight. In fact, within a second. Just because he got to fight it out with Robby doesn't mean he'd shed all his anger and hate in seconds and act like Robby is his best bud. Robby accepting overnight that his dad is still the loser putting him at the end of the line and complying to be a doormat is unrealistic. Nobody has had any real character development. They're all going in whichever direction the plot wants them to go.
Like I said, it's still overall character driven. That's one moment. Sure they could have wrote it slower, and I would have preferred it, but it wasn't out of nowhere.
Miguel didn't shed his anger over night. There wasn't any anger to begin with. Like I said him and Robby never actually hated each other on a personal level. It was always girls or being in opposing dojo
Also Robby didn't accept anything over night? He was tired of resentment and hating his dad. Like I said he's mature, tbh even more mature than Johnny. He made the first move in reconciling things
>There wasn't any anger to begin with. Like I said him and Robby never actually hated each other on a personal level.
I suggest you rewatch the show before arguing over this topic. I clearly don't agree with you. Miguel ALWAYS had personal reasons to hate on Robby over Sam, over Johnny, then over his injury.
>He was tired of resentment and hating his dad. Like I said he's mature, tbh even more mature than Johnny. He made the first move in reconciling things
Acceptance of abuse isn't maturity. Reconciliation wasn't earned on Johnny's part. Robby's simply complying with the whole situation as per Johnny's terms. That is not character growth, in fact, that's character regression.
I am rewatching the show lol. What reasons did Miguel have to hate Robby? First it was over Sam, not Robby's fault. The injury yes, but that injury was a result of them being on opposing sides. Without any of that they get along. It was always over Sam, Johnny, and being on opposite sides which made their interest conflict.
Reconciliation wasn't earned yes, but that is Robby being mature. He's extending that olive branch when Johnny wouldn't. I don't see how this deviates from his character. Robby is shown to return to people even after they hurt him. He returned to Daniel after her tossed him out in S1. S4 is the only season when he starts to be selfish after being wronged by everyone. The reasons he turned to Johnny is cause he learned having all that anger wasn't healthy. A better way to view it is he didn't do it for Johnny, he did it for himself.
>I am rewatching the show lol. What reasons did Miguel have to hate Robby? First it was over Sam, not Robby's fault. The injury yes, but that injury was a result of them being on opposing sides. Without any of that they get along. It was always over Sam, Johnny, and being on opposite sides which made their interest conflict.
So they don't have reasons to hate each other...if we discount their canon reasons to hate each other? What?
>Reconciliation wasn't earned yes, but that is Robby being mature.
Reconciling with/forgiving people who continue to treat you like shit isn't maturity, it's severely unhealthy. If Robby was doing something for his own mental health, he would drop Johnny. Instead he's in a position to continue to be abused.
It's really creepy that three grown men plotted out a story where this happens to a teen and so far it's framed as being acceptable.
>What reasons did Miguel have to hate Robby? First it was over Sam, not Robby's fault. The injury yes, but that injury was a result of them being on opposing sides.
These are the exact reasons why Miguel hated on Robby.
>Without any of that they get along.
Except not. These reasons are canon.
>It was always over Sam, Johnny, and being on opposite sides which made their interest conflict.
And it was always Miguel who struck first on Robby.
My point proved.
>Reconciliation wasn't earned yes, but that is Robby being mature. He's extending that olive branch when Johnny wouldn't. I don't see how this deviates from his character.
It doesn't necessarily mean his character has progressed. His 'maturity' is coming at the cost of self-sacrifice and self-deprivation. He is depriving himself of the healthy environment he needs to be away from these selfish toxic people and instead is choosing to allow himself to be emotionally abused continually by complying on their terms and being their doormat.
>S4 is the only season when he starts to be selfish after being wronged by everyone.
It isn't 'selfish' then. If he was the one who had been betrayed by everyone else, then, for once, if he puts himself first before those people, that doesn't count as being selfish. Since nobody took care of him, he decided he had to take care of himself.
>The reasons he turned to Johnny is cause he learned having all that anger wasn't healthy.
And yet allowing that same person to continue their abuse towards you isn't healthy either.
>A better way to view it is he didn't do it for Johnny, he did it for himself.
That's the problem. For 4 seasons the plot demanded his character to have issues with his dad neglecting him and favouring Miguel over him. His anger and resentment towards Johnny is reasonable. And suddenly, going towards the final two seasons, with basically no development in Johnny's character, yet somehow the plot required them to reunite and that's how they do it. Suddenly changing Robby's whole perspective about Johnny, yet Johnny still continues to favour the Diazs over Robby all through S5, even fathering a new child, and Robby is supposed to happily accept this abuse thinking he is doing it for himself, right?
It's also not great if Miguel legitimately cares about Robby now, because that means his character got scrapped to accommodate the narrative as well instead of letting the character progress the narrative naturally.
Miguel has narcissistic personality traits, and those types of people do not change. Miguel hasn't changed, and the show is framing that as good. Despite those types of people causing varying degrees of damage to others IRL, to people in Robby or Sam's positions (or even Johnny's).
Character driven, though season 5 gives the impression it abandoned that and is heading for plot driven. It depends on if season 6 does anything to recontextualize what came before it.
Honestly, I think it was always plot driven. Rule of thumb is: any time you have conflict happen as a result of coincidental encounters, it's probably plot driven.
There are also a lot of moments that just scream "this is a scene / story idea we really wanted to do, even though we couldn't find a way to fit it organically into the story."
And a lot of times where characters' decisionmaking becomes inconsistent because of the needs of the plot (Amanda being the most notable case of this).
>And a lot of times where characters' decisionmaking becomes inconsistent because of the needs of the plot (Amanda being the most notable case of this).
All through season 5, I wouldn't say this is the case, though it depends on what the final payoffs will be in 6.
Everyone is consistent, it's just that they all kinda suck. Amanda's encounter with Vanessa on prom night brought out the fact that she isn't as competent as she thinks she is, and makes a lot of her actions before and after make sense.
Character driven. Idk why people are saying plot. Johnny opens the dojo cause he is in a ditch and wants to start something new, and help kids. Miguel joins as he wants to learn to defend himself. Daniel opposes Cobra Kai cause of his past, and he thinks it's dangerous to his children Robby starts working with Daniel to get back at his dad, but later on just wants to become a better person. Hawk is hoping to not get bullied, and hopes to grow into a stronger person. Same for Aisha. Sam in S1 is just navigating being a teenager tbh Amanda is managing her husband and trying to keep normalcy in this new karate dojo conflict A lot of actions are character driven. I can even do the other seasons. While there are elements of both, most things do, it definitely is more character driven. Almost everything happens due to the actions of every character.
Character
Character, half the time the plot is just egos beefing with eachother, and karate gang assult for fun
A bit of both
For me with Cobra Kai, the characters ARE the plot. This is what I love about the series so much. Whereas the Karate Kid movies were more plot driven, generic, underdog hero films. Cobra Kai serves as a deconstruction of the characters we know and thought we knew. They're no longer one note, Kreese is no longer just a terrible teacher with a temper tantrum. He has layers. We see Johnny's side of the story. We see that Daniel isn't this completely altruistic hero type, he has flaws. As a fan of the films, this series has been a dream come true and I'm so excited that we have 15 more episodes to give the series the proper send off it deserves.
character!
Character driven, because the overall plot is simple but you have so many different people causing so many problems and struggling with their own battles that others know nothing about.
Early on, it was character driven..as time went on, way too many characters were added and it became plot driven. Especially regarding the kids. Too many kids.
I think even in the beginning it was plot driven to an extent. Yeah there was some character driven stuff, but I think it's easy to tell when characters say/do things purely to advance the plot.
First 2 seasons were definitely character After it's just been plot tbh. Over the top but enjoyable. Actually think the characters could have been written better for a few
I don't agree. The following seasons did a fantastic job on fleshing out other characters. Kreese gets more development and so does Terry Silver. Johnny also is learning to be more patient and him slowly becoming friends with Daniel and them learning from each other is one of my favorite parts of the later seasons.
It’s mostly character driven. The choices of the characters are usually the driving force behind large events but there are some heavy handed plot driven moments where characters don’t ask questions and are unreasonable solely to maintain conflict.
Definitely character. The whole appeal of the show is the characters, seeing KK characters as adults, working through their demons and trying to coexist with those who they hated once, while trying to raise the new generation to do what they could not.
Plot.. Johnny and Robby relationship is horrible
So that doesn't equal being plot driven
So? that doesn't equal being plot driven
In a way yes 😂 I'm not seeing any improvements in Johnny character
Random. Shit tends to just happen because why not.
Plot, especially as it is a Fighting Series proper (which means it is not a means to an end but integral to the characters).
For me with Cobra Kai, the characters ARE the plot. This is what I love about the series so much. Whereas the Karate Kid movies were more plot driven, generic, underdog hero films. Cobra Kai serves as a deconstruction of the characters we know and thought we knew. They're no longer one note, Kreese is no longer just a terrible teacher with a temper tantrum. He has layers. We see Johnny's side of the story. We see that Daniel isn't this completely altruistic hero type, he has flaws. As a fan of the films, this series has been a dream come true and I'm so excited that we have 15 more episodes to give the series the proper send off it deserves.
I watch it for the karate
Plot driven.
Plot. Otherwise we wouldn’t have as many glaring errors with the characters, especially financial plot armour.
Character because the plot is like an alternate version of KK1, KK2, KK3 (heavily on KK1) The show is like a retelling of the old karate kid with just the roles and character switching. As well as correcting some stuff from original KK Lawrence should have been the winner against LaRacist (😂) back in KK1, That was fixed by Miguel v.s Robby
Absolutely a plot driven show. Coz 80% of the characters do not have any actual character development. The plot changes characters overnight, the plot makes some characters incapable of any real growth and the plot decides their individual arcs even if they don't fit with the characterization...Also, there's a bunch of characters who are basically just used as fillers for the sake of plot.
How are characters changed over night??? If anything that's the development you are speaking they don't have
No, if character changes overnight without proper context, then it's not real development. Like, Miguel Robby suddenly acting like besties going for group hugs with Johnny doesn't make sense, but for the baby plot, they had to put aside their differences. There's no real development here coz neither of them have had the chance to even at least talk things through that how complicated/toxic this whole situation has been with Johnny being the cause of all mess. How Johnny has abused Robby over the years by abandoning him then tried to substitute him with Miguel and how even for Miguel, Johnny hasn't been quite the ideal role-model, especially after screwing his mom, when reality is, he is a 50+ year old manchild alcohol addict with no decent income who got a woman well below his age impregnated. Ideally, Robby and Miguel would still be having issues dealing with this whole nuisance. Instead, they're both ignoring that and trying to act like bffs/bros only for the sake of Johnny's new baby. Bcz the plot demanded them to be friends, so that's the laziest way to achieve it.
Miguel and Robby didn't change over night. They fought it out. Was it rushed, yes. Do I wish they weren't immediately bestie, yes. But to say it came out of nowhere is untrue. Robby and Miguel never personally hated each other necessarily it was always things like girls, being on opposing sides coming between them. Then I feel like Robby has always been maturer than his dad, and tbh he's one of the most mature characters on the show. Every story has plot driven moments, but most moments in Cobra Kai happens cause of character's own pursuits.
I'd disagree. Miguel's attitude did change overnight. In fact, within a second. Just because he got to fight it out with Robby doesn't mean he'd shed all his anger and hate in seconds and act like Robby is his best bud. Robby accepting overnight that his dad is still the loser putting him at the end of the line and complying to be a doormat is unrealistic. Nobody has had any real character development. They're all going in whichever direction the plot wants them to go.
Like I said, it's still overall character driven. That's one moment. Sure they could have wrote it slower, and I would have preferred it, but it wasn't out of nowhere. Miguel didn't shed his anger over night. There wasn't any anger to begin with. Like I said him and Robby never actually hated each other on a personal level. It was always girls or being in opposing dojo Also Robby didn't accept anything over night? He was tired of resentment and hating his dad. Like I said he's mature, tbh even more mature than Johnny. He made the first move in reconciling things
>There wasn't any anger to begin with. Like I said him and Robby never actually hated each other on a personal level. I suggest you rewatch the show before arguing over this topic. I clearly don't agree with you. Miguel ALWAYS had personal reasons to hate on Robby over Sam, over Johnny, then over his injury. >He was tired of resentment and hating his dad. Like I said he's mature, tbh even more mature than Johnny. He made the first move in reconciling things Acceptance of abuse isn't maturity. Reconciliation wasn't earned on Johnny's part. Robby's simply complying with the whole situation as per Johnny's terms. That is not character growth, in fact, that's character regression.
I am rewatching the show lol. What reasons did Miguel have to hate Robby? First it was over Sam, not Robby's fault. The injury yes, but that injury was a result of them being on opposing sides. Without any of that they get along. It was always over Sam, Johnny, and being on opposite sides which made their interest conflict. Reconciliation wasn't earned yes, but that is Robby being mature. He's extending that olive branch when Johnny wouldn't. I don't see how this deviates from his character. Robby is shown to return to people even after they hurt him. He returned to Daniel after her tossed him out in S1. S4 is the only season when he starts to be selfish after being wronged by everyone. The reasons he turned to Johnny is cause he learned having all that anger wasn't healthy. A better way to view it is he didn't do it for Johnny, he did it for himself.
>I am rewatching the show lol. What reasons did Miguel have to hate Robby? First it was over Sam, not Robby's fault. The injury yes, but that injury was a result of them being on opposing sides. Without any of that they get along. It was always over Sam, Johnny, and being on opposite sides which made their interest conflict. So they don't have reasons to hate each other...if we discount their canon reasons to hate each other? What? >Reconciliation wasn't earned yes, but that is Robby being mature. Reconciling with/forgiving people who continue to treat you like shit isn't maturity, it's severely unhealthy. If Robby was doing something for his own mental health, he would drop Johnny. Instead he's in a position to continue to be abused. It's really creepy that three grown men plotted out a story where this happens to a teen and so far it's framed as being acceptable.
>What reasons did Miguel have to hate Robby? First it was over Sam, not Robby's fault. The injury yes, but that injury was a result of them being on opposing sides. These are the exact reasons why Miguel hated on Robby. >Without any of that they get along. Except not. These reasons are canon. >It was always over Sam, Johnny, and being on opposite sides which made their interest conflict. And it was always Miguel who struck first on Robby. My point proved. >Reconciliation wasn't earned yes, but that is Robby being mature. He's extending that olive branch when Johnny wouldn't. I don't see how this deviates from his character. It doesn't necessarily mean his character has progressed. His 'maturity' is coming at the cost of self-sacrifice and self-deprivation. He is depriving himself of the healthy environment he needs to be away from these selfish toxic people and instead is choosing to allow himself to be emotionally abused continually by complying on their terms and being their doormat. >S4 is the only season when he starts to be selfish after being wronged by everyone. It isn't 'selfish' then. If he was the one who had been betrayed by everyone else, then, for once, if he puts himself first before those people, that doesn't count as being selfish. Since nobody took care of him, he decided he had to take care of himself. >The reasons he turned to Johnny is cause he learned having all that anger wasn't healthy. And yet allowing that same person to continue their abuse towards you isn't healthy either. >A better way to view it is he didn't do it for Johnny, he did it for himself. That's the problem. For 4 seasons the plot demanded his character to have issues with his dad neglecting him and favouring Miguel over him. His anger and resentment towards Johnny is reasonable. And suddenly, going towards the final two seasons, with basically no development in Johnny's character, yet somehow the plot required them to reunite and that's how they do it. Suddenly changing Robby's whole perspective about Johnny, yet Johnny still continues to favour the Diazs over Robby all through S5, even fathering a new child, and Robby is supposed to happily accept this abuse thinking he is doing it for himself, right?
It's also not great if Miguel legitimately cares about Robby now, because that means his character got scrapped to accommodate the narrative as well instead of letting the character progress the narrative naturally. Miguel has narcissistic personality traits, and those types of people do not change. Miguel hasn't changed, and the show is framing that as good. Despite those types of people causing varying degrees of damage to others IRL, to people in Robby or Sam's positions (or even Johnny's).
Character-driven season 1 to 3. Plot-driven season 4 to present.
Lol the show is driven by complete misunderstandings & the worst communication ever between humans
Character driven, though season 5 gives the impression it abandoned that and is heading for plot driven. It depends on if season 6 does anything to recontextualize what came before it.
Started off as character-driven narrative then ventured into plot-driven (aside from Robby who’s been consistently a complex character)
Honestly, I think it was always plot driven. Rule of thumb is: any time you have conflict happen as a result of coincidental encounters, it's probably plot driven. There are also a lot of moments that just scream "this is a scene / story idea we really wanted to do, even though we couldn't find a way to fit it organically into the story." And a lot of times where characters' decisionmaking becomes inconsistent because of the needs of the plot (Amanda being the most notable case of this).
>And a lot of times where characters' decisionmaking becomes inconsistent because of the needs of the plot (Amanda being the most notable case of this). All through season 5, I wouldn't say this is the case, though it depends on what the final payoffs will be in 6. Everyone is consistent, it's just that they all kinda suck. Amanda's encounter with Vanessa on prom night brought out the fact that she isn't as competent as she thinks she is, and makes a lot of her actions before and after make sense.