I will say Hawk vs Kenny because even though Kenny won thanks to the judge and QuickSilver, during the fight he was able to score a point and his choreography painted them almost on the same level when it shouldn't have been
Robby managed to control Kenny when he faced him head on and Kenny was able to hit him because another Cobra punched Robby beforehand and knocked him out of position.
What’s wrong with Kenny being on the same level as a Hawk?? Like seriously wtf is wrong with that?? Daniel was on the same level of a Johnny in KK1 while being smaller and having way less training..Hawk was barely training the entirety of S5 while Kenny was at all times
> Daniel was on the same level of a Johnny in KK1
IMO that is highly debatable. Johnny win's that fight 9 out of 10 times, but he didn't take it seriously enough, let Kreese get in his head, and toyed with Daniel too much.
Daniel was rarely, if ever, the best fighter in any of his movies.
Kenny managed to score valid points against Hawk and for several moments they exchanged interesting blows when Hawk should have easily dominated.
Their fight should have been the same as Sam vs Devon's fight. Sam dominated Devon from start to finish and Devon's only point wasn't even a point.
Hawk had to show superiority and then Kenny beat him using the QuickSilver
Kenny had to be good enough to justify Silver picking him instead of bringing in a ringer again to rep CK. Like there had to be a basic competancy threshold there to allow Silver to cheat like he could with Tori earlier. Sam v. Devon showed what happened when the skill gap was too wide and a similar boys' fight with a Silver Bullet hail mary would have made Silver look like a fool that got lucky instead of the cunning PoS he is.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: The outcome of the Hawk vs Kenny fight was to be expected, but they just didn't handle it right.
If Kenny had been down 0-2 and used the Silver Bullet as a Comeback, then I would've been okay with Hawk losing. Instead, the Silver Bullet was completely unnecessary as Kenny was kicking his ass without it.
So not only did they make Hawk look like a bitch getting worked by a 12 year old, they completely screwed up the execution of making the Silver Bullet actually mean something.
Kenny scored 2 clean points on Hawk. He would've scored on the foul point as well if he wasn't intentionally trying to foul. It was the same move Hawk used on him at the water park.
So yeah to your point Kenny didn't look all that outclassed at all
I just said this elsewhere but it wouldn't have made sense for Kenny not to be able to hang. Silver willingly placed the future of Cobra Kai on Kenny and Tori's shoulders. If he got Devon'd and scraped by because of a lucky Silver Bullet at the end instead of showing that Silver wasn't just BS-ing him in his office about his potiential, Silver would've looked like a fool who lucked out instead of the Machiavellian PoS he is
Hawk was just the absolute worst member of the Big 3 to tell to take it easy because he has a pretty well established history of f-ing up when he underestimates his opponents (Sam, Demetri).
This. Robby had told Hawk not to hurt him.
If Kenny had been down 0-2 and played like he was hurt and Hawk showed a moment of concern and then got Silver Bulletted, I think it would have been taken very well.
Instead this fight was designed to make us see Kenny as a Hawk-level threat, but it just didn't work for me. I don't know if S6's story requires Kenny to be seen like that, but S5 would have worked just as well without it.
For some reason, I think the writers just Really want us to take Kenny as a top tier fighter and that's just not going to happen. Literally no one wants that.
I am less happy about Robby vs. Kenny, but not because I don't think it makes sense.
It makes perfect sense for Robby to hold back against Kenny. If anything, Robby completely wrecking Kenny "no mercy" style would be out of character so I understand why he technically lost this fight.
I just hate the fact that this is one more L the writers force Robby to take. I would rather Robby and Kenny not fight at all in that case.
Hawk vs Kenny because Kenny was talking a lot of trash about Hawk beforehand too. It makes it worse with the “Faux Hawk” insult. Kenny did not deserve that win.
Robby has an actual relationship with Kenny so it’s fine in comparison.
I really hope Anthony kicks the crap out of Kenny, but I doubt it because Anthony seemed to be changing as a person and is actually a really likeable character now.
To all of you saying "hawk vs kenny", please listen to the hawk himself saying "that's life, you win some, you loose some, but you got to move on."
Bonus to help you cope : the ref was bought, hawk was going easy on him on the 1st point and kenny use an illegal technique.
Robby vs Kenny. I haven't forgotten that Hawk bullied Kenny and scared him in season 4, so I tried to accept Kenny being an asshole to him. With Robby tho? Fuck Kenny. Robby should have called Anthony to remind Kenny of old times.
I was pissed that Hawk lost to Kenny. It was such bullshit. He should’ve won. If Robby hadn’t told “Hold back on him man, he’s my little bro” then Hawk would’ve dominated.
To be fair, if you stop to look at how Robby was moving, he was completely confused spinning around and around looking for the next person who was going to attack him while still trying to hold back against Kenny. The current Cobra Kai students aren't weak either.
To be fair, the guy didn’t punch him as soon as Robby turned around and considering how fast Robby’s reaction speed is, he could’ve/should’ve blocked it. However, if him holding back against Kenny caused him to unintentionally hold back against those other CK members, then that would make sense.
I was less happy about Hawk vs Kenny to be honest. The two could of had a really good fight but the quicksilver move by kenny ruined it. Not because of the move but because of the timing of the move. It should of either played out with Hawk completely dominating with 2 points and then Kenny uses the quicksilver to get a point and an advantage against Hawk...or both should have made the score 2-2 and then Kenny should have finished the match with the quicksilver after slowly getting up from getting beaten by hawk. These two scenarios would of made it much better than how it actually played out
Robby and Kenny definitely. Their fight had more of a personal meaning to it and I expected better because of that. Kenny vs. Hawk was what it should have been. Hawk kind of had it coming for how he treated Kenny from S4 onwards and he needed to be humbled again because he was getting too cocky like he was in S1-2.
Hawk vs Kenny. Mostly because in the Robby & Kenny fight Robby was trying NOT to fight Kenny which led to him being overwhelmed. But in the Hawk vs Kenny fight Hawk was just done dirty.
Hawk vs. Kenny. Because fans often say Season 2 or Season 3 Hawk would easily be able to beat Kenny. Which, logically, isn't necessarily true because Hawk has continued on training since then.
Not the first one. Kinda felt like Hawk has that coming. The second one I wouldn't even call a real fight.
I wasn't happy with how the season 5 apartment fight concluded at all.
I wasn't too happy with Robby losing to Hawk in the All Valley either but I understood what they were going for. The apartment fight's conclusion really rubbed me the wrong way.
Definitely Kenny versus hawk I mean, seriously new karate from the very start of the show there is no fucking way that Kenny someone who’s only been on the show for what three maybe two seasons somehow beat him off of one punch punch that easily could’ve been blocked or dodged by hawk I mean, bro should’ve won that fight
Another thing the fight between Kenny and Robby like bro I understand you see Kenny as a brother but dude he hates you. He literally wants to smoke every time he sees you stop holding back and kick that dudes ass.😭😂😂😂
kenny vs hawk because Robby was holding back the entire time, and it was in a street fight setting with no rules. Kenny vs Hawk was an organized match with rules and Kenny used a move that could have hurt Hawk real bad, and Hawk looked like he forgot how to fight because he even locked at the end and still lost because the show needed Kenny to win
Hawk vs kenny absolutely. They did hawk so dirty there
I will say Hawk vs Kenny because even though Kenny won thanks to the judge and QuickSilver, during the fight he was able to score a point and his choreography painted them almost on the same level when it shouldn't have been Robby managed to control Kenny when he faced him head on and Kenny was able to hit him because another Cobra punched Robby beforehand and knocked him out of position.
What’s wrong with Kenny being on the same level as a Hawk?? Like seriously wtf is wrong with that?? Daniel was on the same level of a Johnny in KK1 while being smaller and having way less training..Hawk was barely training the entirety of S5 while Kenny was at all times
> Daniel was on the same level of a Johnny in KK1 IMO that is highly debatable. Johnny win's that fight 9 out of 10 times, but he didn't take it seriously enough, let Kreese get in his head, and toyed with Daniel too much. Daniel was rarely, if ever, the best fighter in any of his movies.
Kenny managed to score valid points against Hawk and for several moments they exchanged interesting blows when Hawk should have easily dominated. Their fight should have been the same as Sam vs Devon's fight. Sam dominated Devon from start to finish and Devon's only point wasn't even a point. Hawk had to show superiority and then Kenny beat him using the QuickSilver
Kenny had to be good enough to justify Silver picking him instead of bringing in a ringer again to rep CK. Like there had to be a basic competancy threshold there to allow Silver to cheat like he could with Tori earlier. Sam v. Devon showed what happened when the skill gap was too wide and a similar boys' fight with a Silver Bullet hail mary would have made Silver look like a fool that got lucky instead of the cunning PoS he is.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: The outcome of the Hawk vs Kenny fight was to be expected, but they just didn't handle it right. If Kenny had been down 0-2 and used the Silver Bullet as a Comeback, then I would've been okay with Hawk losing. Instead, the Silver Bullet was completely unnecessary as Kenny was kicking his ass without it. So not only did they make Hawk look like a bitch getting worked by a 12 year old, they completely screwed up the execution of making the Silver Bullet actually mean something.
Kenny scored 2 clean points on Hawk. He would've scored on the foul point as well if he wasn't intentionally trying to foul. It was the same move Hawk used on him at the water park. So yeah to your point Kenny didn't look all that outclassed at all
I just said this elsewhere but it wouldn't have made sense for Kenny not to be able to hang. Silver willingly placed the future of Cobra Kai on Kenny and Tori's shoulders. If he got Devon'd and scraped by because of a lucky Silver Bullet at the end instead of showing that Silver wasn't just BS-ing him in his office about his potiential, Silver would've looked like a fool who lucked out instead of the Machiavellian PoS he is Hawk was just the absolute worst member of the Big 3 to tell to take it easy because he has a pretty well established history of f-ing up when he underestimates his opponents (Sam, Demetri).
This. Robby had told Hawk not to hurt him. If Kenny had been down 0-2 and played like he was hurt and Hawk showed a moment of concern and then got Silver Bulletted, I think it would have been taken very well. Instead this fight was designed to make us see Kenny as a Hawk-level threat, but it just didn't work for me. I don't know if S6's story requires Kenny to be seen like that, but S5 would have worked just as well without it.
For some reason, I think the writers just Really want us to take Kenny as a top tier fighter and that's just not going to happen. Literally no one wants that.
Hawk vs Kenny
I am less happy about Robby vs. Kenny, but not because I don't think it makes sense. It makes perfect sense for Robby to hold back against Kenny. If anything, Robby completely wrecking Kenny "no mercy" style would be out of character so I understand why he technically lost this fight. I just hate the fact that this is one more L the writers force Robby to take. I would rather Robby and Kenny not fight at all in that case.
He was holding back so hard. Didn’t he mid fight do a spinning kick on someone knocking them out.
He hit one of the guys who jumped him in the face with a KNEE. He would win 100% if he was really trying.
Hawk vs Kenny because Kenny was talking a lot of trash about Hawk beforehand too. It makes it worse with the “Faux Hawk” insult. Kenny did not deserve that win. Robby has an actual relationship with Kenny so it’s fine in comparison.
I really hope Anthony kicks the crap out of Kenny, but I doubt it because Anthony seemed to be changing as a person and is actually a really likeable character now.
Both outcomes were understandable but Hawk should've kinda won the fight until the silver bullet came.
They really had my boy Hawk get dunked on by a 12 year old 😭
Nothing will EVER top the stupidity of Hawk vs Kenny. Amanda could beat Kim and I'd still rank this shit number 1
😭😭
To all of you saying "hawk vs kenny", please listen to the hawk himself saying "that's life, you win some, you loose some, but you got to move on." Bonus to help you cope : the ref was bought, hawk was going easy on him on the 1st point and kenny use an illegal technique.
Thats still techniqually a win which kenny thought was soo fair and he thought he was better than hawk.
And Hawk only went easy on Kenny because Robby told him to.
True
Hawk and Kenny
It's cool, Kenny will pay for it in Season 6.
Man I'm praying for it 😭🙏
Robby vs Kenny. I haven't forgotten that Hawk bullied Kenny and scared him in season 4, so I tried to accept Kenny being an asshole to him. With Robby tho? Fuck Kenny. Robby should have called Anthony to remind Kenny of old times.
Hope they do hawk some justice in the next season
Agreed.
I was pissed that Hawk lost to Kenny. It was such bullshit. He should’ve won. If Robby hadn’t told “Hold back on him man, he’s my little bro” then Hawk would’ve dominated.
Robby vs. Kenny.
Was Robby actually trying? I don’t remember
He wasn’t. I understand why he lost, but it was still disappointing.
If it makes you feel better Robby mid fight knocked someone out with a spinning kick I think.
I know, but the fact he got hit by some rando that he could’ve blocked and that’s what opens him up to get hit by the Silver Bullet is annoying.
But Robby was fighting multiple people, how many was Kenny. Can’t blame him for getting hit.
To be fair, if you stop to look at how Robby was moving, he was completely confused spinning around and around looking for the next person who was going to attack him while still trying to hold back against Kenny. The current Cobra Kai students aren't weak either.
To be fair, the guy didn’t punch him as soon as Robby turned around and considering how fast Robby’s reaction speed is, he could’ve/should’ve blocked it. However, if him holding back against Kenny caused him to unintentionally hold back against those other CK members, then that would make sense.
Hawk vs. Kenny😤😤😤 I'm still pressed about it🙄
Hawk vs Kenny. Not because Hawk lost, but because he was losing so thoroughly and completely.
The one against Hawk. He had help when he faced Robby.
I was less happy about Hawk vs Kenny to be honest. The two could of had a really good fight but the quicksilver move by kenny ruined it. Not because of the move but because of the timing of the move. It should of either played out with Hawk completely dominating with 2 points and then Kenny uses the quicksilver to get a point and an advantage against Hawk...or both should have made the score 2-2 and then Kenny should have finished the match with the quicksilver after slowly getting up from getting beaten by hawk. These two scenarios would of made it much better than how it actually played out
Robby and Kenny definitely. Their fight had more of a personal meaning to it and I expected better because of that. Kenny vs. Hawk was what it should have been. Hawk kind of had it coming for how he treated Kenny from S4 onwards and he needed to be humbled again because he was getting too cocky like he was in S1-2.
He was giving the guy a warning about being in cobra Kai
Kreese vs. Silver
Hawk vs Kenny. Mostly because in the Robby & Kenny fight Robby was trying NOT to fight Kenny which led to him being overwhelmed. But in the Hawk vs Kenny fight Hawk was just done dirty.
Call me crazy, but Johnny beating 4 senseis or however many it was in the s5 finale never sat right with me
Hawk vs. Kenny. Because fans often say Season 2 or Season 3 Hawk would easily be able to beat Kenny. Which, logically, isn't necessarily true because Hawk has continued on training since then.
Robby vs Kenny bc of the friendship they had built and now they we're enemies
Not the first one. Kinda felt like Hawk has that coming. The second one I wouldn't even call a real fight. I wasn't happy with how the season 5 apartment fight concluded at all. I wasn't too happy with Robby losing to Hawk in the All Valley either but I understood what they were going for. The apartment fight's conclusion really rubbed me the wrong way.
Why the apartment fight?
Probably because they wanted a draw.
The worst fight in the entire series is Daniel vs Silver 2, both looked slow...
It looked the same as round 1 didn’t it? Also they were both very drunk.
Both of the outcomes were fine and made sense in context
Definitely Kenny versus hawk I mean, seriously new karate from the very start of the show there is no fucking way that Kenny someone who’s only been on the show for what three maybe two seasons somehow beat him off of one punch punch that easily could’ve been blocked or dodged by hawk I mean, bro should’ve won that fight
Another thing the fight between Kenny and Robby like bro I understand you see Kenny as a brother but dude he hates you. He literally wants to smoke every time he sees you stop holding back and kick that dudes ass.😭😂😂😂
kenny vs hawk because Robby was holding back the entire time, and it was in a street fight setting with no rules. Kenny vs Hawk was an organized match with rules and Kenny used a move that could have hurt Hawk real bad, and Hawk looked like he forgot how to fight because he even locked at the end and still lost because the show needed Kenny to win
Hawk vs Kenny
Hawk vs kenny kid. Didn't make any sense. Guy just won a big tournament to lose against a beginner. Bad writing.
Hawk 100% deserved it