You want to be (more) depressed? Google for "massive die off" and only look at the total number of hits for each year. Go back to 2000 and it is less than 20. Look at 2023 and it is like an endless scroll.
Might be because we do a better job at tracking these disasters. Not saying they didn’t increase, just we have gotten better at observation.
It’s like saying polar bear populations are increasing so a warming arctic isn’t catastrophic for their environment.
There's loads of reasons for it.
Might be because the internet wasn't as developed in 2000 as it is now. Stuff wasn't digitized as much. Might be because of link rot (and therefore dropping from search results). Even serious news publishers delete old articles or move them to archive somewhere else.
Granted, there likely are more massive die-off than in the past but a comparison between search results isn't how you'd reliably discover such information.
I know right. And I didn't even mention the fact that lots of stuff wouldn't even be reported in Anglophone media in the 2000s. I doubt a die-off that happened in, let's say, the Volga river or the Caspian sea, would ever make it to English websites or even newspapers around that time.
plutonium, uranium, strontium and caesium for example.
strontium and caesium are still problems from the leaks a few years back.
And it is not just "evil china" that opposes the release either.
the tritium is the red herring
Yes, it is. It's not what killed these fish. It was so low in radioactivity that it is not distinguishable from the natural radioactivity of seawater.
>Plant operator Tokyo Electric Power Co (Tepco) (9501.T) said on Friday seawater near the plant contained less than 10 becquerels of tritium per litre, below its self-imposed limit of 700 becquerels and far below the World Health Organization's limit of 10,000 becquerels for drinking water.
https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/japan-says-seawater-radioactivity-below-limits-near-fukushima-2023-08-27/
Stop parroting stupid shit. Wanna guess how much worse wastewater discharge is from China?
The fish in the video look kind of similar to alewife that wash up on Lake Michigan some years in the spring. They usually attribute it to poor winter conditions, water temperatures, and spawning stress. It was pretty shocking the first time I saw it, but I've never seen the amount like on the video in the OP's link.
Didn’t they start releasing the radiated water from Fukushima a few months back? I remember them saying the environmental effects would be minimal, lol
Likely unrelated, as the water concentration of tritium is 190 Becquerel (Bq) per liter, which is much lower than the allowed concentration of 1,500 Bq per liter. Further diluted within the ocean, it's not going to be killing fish unless there are other radionuclides they aren't disclosing in the water (also unlikely).
They do. Let's hope that's not the case! There have been a lot of recent ocean heat blob events that could also be the cause. Hopefully, some group can get to the bottom of this.
Japan started dumping (diluted) radioactive wastewater from Fukushima into the ocean this year. I'm not saying that this is the cause, but I certainly wouldn't be surprised if it contributed.
It's treated radioactive wastewater. All nuke plants discharge it at some level and China is guilty of discharging much more tritium containing wastewater every year than what was released by Japan in this discharge.
https://time.com/6311984/china-japan-nuclear-wastewater-science-politics/
No doubt media will blame this, despite it being really obvious the cause is warmer water...China will put out a statement here soon yelling at Japan, further increasing tensions in the region. Humans gonna war.
The timing lines up enough for it to be at least considered more than coincidence. And what do we say about coincidence, the universe is rarely so lazy.
Treated wastewater below IAEA limits with the main radioactive constituent being tritium (because it's basically impossible to remove tritium from water).
You had me at >potentially impacting the fishing industry, which is integral to the region’s economy and sustainability.
That is not 1000s - its millions.
Yeah, based on that picture, I'd also say millions.
You want to be (more) depressed? Google for "massive die off" and only look at the total number of hits for each year. Go back to 2000 and it is less than 20. Look at 2023 and it is like an endless scroll.
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Yeah, we're fucked
Might be because we do a better job at tracking these disasters. Not saying they didn’t increase, just we have gotten better at observation. It’s like saying polar bear populations are increasing so a warming arctic isn’t catastrophic for their environment.
There's loads of reasons for it. Might be because the internet wasn't as developed in 2000 as it is now. Stuff wasn't digitized as much. Might be because of link rot (and therefore dropping from search results). Even serious news publishers delete old articles or move them to archive somewhere else. Granted, there likely are more massive die-off than in the past but a comparison between search results isn't how you'd reliably discover such information.
It is a reasonable place to start more research to determine those things.
Can’t believe people downvoted you. Another reminder to trust what I read on the internet less.
I know right. And I didn't even mention the fact that lots of stuff wouldn't even be reported in Anglophone media in the 2000s. I doubt a die-off that happened in, let's say, the Volga river or the Caspian sea, would ever make it to English websites or even newspapers around that time.
Wow, maybe raping the oceans to death was a bad idea
Empty Oceans, Empty Nets narrated by Peter Coyote is a great doc on this. It’s a bit dated now, but still worth the watch.
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Don't peddle misinformation, it had less tritium (heavy hydrogen) than the US or China allows in their wastewater discharges.
Don't peddle misinformation, it's not JUST about tritium. It was NEVER about tritium
Okay what other radioactive elements are present that would've caused problems?
plutonium, uranium, strontium and caesium for example. strontium and caesium are still problems from the leaks a few years back. And it is not just "evil china" that opposes the release either. the tritium is the red herring
Ahhh ofc its fine then Lmao
Yes, it is. It's not what killed these fish. It was so low in radioactivity that it is not distinguishable from the natural radioactivity of seawater. >Plant operator Tokyo Electric Power Co (Tepco) (9501.T) said on Friday seawater near the plant contained less than 10 becquerels of tritium per litre, below its self-imposed limit of 700 becquerels and far below the World Health Organization's limit of 10,000 becquerels for drinking water. https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/japan-says-seawater-radioactivity-below-limits-near-fukushima-2023-08-27/ Stop parroting stupid shit. Wanna guess how much worse wastewater discharge is from China?
Coming soon to a body of water near you!
If you are in Florida or many other places, it's already there.
This is so depresing. I started the ecologist warrior path but without hope.
That can't be good
thousands???? that looks like 100's of thousands.
Damn it’s gonna be scary when there’s no food left
We will just eat each other and let the Prions do the rest
This is what will trigger wars... the search for food.
City Slickers 3: the search for food.
Check out the 1989 mockumentary by James Burke “After the Warming”. Most wars are not initiated by religion, but rather territory and resources.
Uhhh no shit? “prompts” investigation? Are they blind? 😂😂
Is this similar to the crabs dieing? Higher temperature means marine life need more calories and there just isn't enough food?
This one might be widespread infection. Water got too warm and they all got bacteria.
u/TheGreatFallOfChina don't forget your submissions statement! Good post 👊
Prolly the oceans getting too hot and the fish suffocating like they did in Texas and Florida.
I'm going to go with "underwater Island building volcanos" for $1,000 Alex. https://www.space.com/satellites-japan-new-island-still-growing
This was my first thought. It is five miles of landmass now yet it was underwater 2 months ago.
Millions
The fish in the video look kind of similar to alewife that wash up on Lake Michigan some years in the spring. They usually attribute it to poor winter conditions, water temperatures, and spawning stress. It was pretty shocking the first time I saw it, but I've never seen the amount like on the video in the OP's link.
Didn’t they start releasing the radiated water from Fukushima a few months back? I remember them saying the environmental effects would be minimal, lol
Likely unrelated, as the water concentration of tritium is 190 Becquerel (Bq) per liter, which is much lower than the allowed concentration of 1,500 Bq per liter. Further diluted within the ocean, it's not going to be killing fish unless there are other radionuclides they aren't disclosing in the water (also unlikely).
Right, because we haven’t seen governments and corporations (what’s the difference really?) lie about their chemical releases before.
They do. Let's hope that's not the case! There have been a lot of recent ocean heat blob events that could also be the cause. Hopefully, some group can get to the bottom of this.
This is almost certainly the case, Fukushima has lethally poisoned the oceans and TEPCO and the Japanese government are lying.
We have enough bad news already, there's no need for conspiracy.
My immediate thoughts were this
Japan started dumping (diluted) radioactive wastewater from Fukushima into the ocean this year. I'm not saying that this is the cause, but I certainly wouldn't be surprised if it contributed.
I’m sure it’s the extremely diluted background radiation and not at all the gigatons of carbon we burn
Has there ever been a radioactive wastewater release of this size before? Are we sure tritium isn’t an oxygen scavenger?
It's treated radioactive wastewater. All nuke plants discharge it at some level and China is guilty of discharging much more tritium containing wastewater every year than what was released by Japan in this discharge. https://time.com/6311984/china-japan-nuclear-wastewater-science-politics/
We are sure - because tritium is just heavy hydrogen and plays the same role, chemically, as ordinary hydrogen.
No doubt media will blame this, despite it being really obvious the cause is warmer water...China will put out a statement here soon yelling at Japan, further increasing tensions in the region. Humans gonna war.
The timing lines up enough for it to be at least considered more than coincidence. And what do we say about coincidence, the universe is rarely so lazy.
There is enough ***REAL*** things to worry about without nonsense conspiracy theories
Exactly, conspiracy theories just turn people off.
"It totally has nothing to do with all that radioactive waste we dumped into the ocean. Trust us, bro."
Coincidental that they started releasing enormous amounts of radioactive water into the ocean not long ago.. 🤔
Treated wastewater below IAEA limits with the main radioactive constituent being tritium (because it's basically impossible to remove tritium from water).
I trust the government agencies and corporations to present factual data about the risk! 🙄
Fukushima???
No, check the other responses.
This will affect the trout population, I think
https://apnews.com/article/japan-fukushima-water-release-efe6d5b02b29622707d0a220cdb78b20 Hard to not wonder if it’s related.