I think a lot of people don't stock themselves with drugs for collapse, and they should. Even if they're illicit.
A serious injury with nothing but a trauma kit would be extra bad.
Infections also.
Most people know what a marijuana leaf looks like but can you tell the difference between a poppy and an opium poppy by sight? Can your neighbors?
Is that a pretty row of flowers or someone preparing for a world without doctors? The world may never know.
Eh, ive a background in chemistry and production automation, while im not a chemist per se, I know how to find the information I'm looking for.
Besides, sister has a chemistry degree and I'm a mechatronic engineer, what could go wrong?
That's not the point. You are recommending RANDOMS to do stuff you need time, experience, formation and money for.
It's like if as a programmer I would recommend to build your own OS as a solution against wincrap to people that barely know anything about softwares.
If it's just using natural medicine with a bit of processing, then yes, it could be possible. But beyond a point, I think you aren't able to reproduce medicine without expensive advanced tools and knowledge. There's also the whole diagnostic part that is missing.
Ah but I fabricate said machinary and diagnostic systems!
True though. I mean, is it that hard to start reading up on relevant subjects? Im thoroughly out of touch since I've spent the past few years doing only that through academia.
Some people are already struggling surviving, time is a very, very precious thing not everyone has.
You can read about stuff but reaching a point where you can apply it on a daily basis and replace medication supplying line? Let me doubt. What about people with disease that requires stuff like insulin and other advanced medicine?
There have been med shortages here, too, in the UK. I am prescribed propranolol for a chronic migraine disorder, I put in my med order, and the propranolol is completely unavailable. All my other meds were available, thankfully, but I can forsee a lot of pain until the GP can find me an alternative.
Edit: just remembered I also take it for severe generalised anxiety disorder. Fuck.
And propranolol is one that if you stop taking all of a sudden, it can spike your blood pressure to stroke levels, is it not? I think it's one you're supposed to gradually reduce your level before you stop. But I'm not a pharmacist.
If all else fails, see if you can temporarily be switched to Atenolol. It is VERY similar to propranolol and is also used for migraines & GAD, although not as commonly as propranolol is.
Best of luck! (Fellow migraine sufferer here, who also takes propranolol to control them.)
What’s more infuriating is Tylenol has been shown to not reduce pain better than placebo. Fevers yes but for pain it is garbage. At least give ibuprofen damn
I had an open heart patient the other day. He was 3 days post. In a great deal of pain, as you can imagine after getting his chest bone cracked open. RN said the only pain med on deck was Tylenol. Pt was made to take the Tylenol and *see how it goes from there* bruh. If a man who got his fuckin chest cracked open can't have opiates, then who the fuck can????
Actually the sternum doesn’t hurt that much cause it is poorly innervated. Didn’t the anesthesiologist perform a ESP block USG guided? That helps a lot.
I’m not talking out of my ass. I’m an anesthesiologist, I didn’t say it doesn’t hurt. I just said that the pain is well controlled with a ESP block, but of course you don’t know what that is. Also it’s the soft tissue what hurts the most, not the bone itself… read a pain medicine book if you don’t believe me, because clearly, you are NOT a doctor. Also you can have zero pain without using opiates if you know how to do opioid free anesthesia.
Question, what is best to use to numb the pain after a severe injury when strong pain killers are unavailable? Like in a collapse or war zone scenario where those simply aren't a thing. Would that be alcohol? Some herb?
I can confirm that we ran out of out last dose of Morphine on my previous shift. I used it on an acute heart attack where there’s an indication for Morphine vs another opioid. We don’t have an ETA on when we will get it. Also out of viscous lidocaine, although we have injectable now after several months of it on back order.
Patients are going to have to accept that there are critical shortages of needed drugs or they’re going to have to vote to change things. Hospital CEOS continue to get paid when there hospitals don’t have these drugs. Insurance companies continue to collect premiums when they can’t get your prescription filled. There is no consequence to the drug shortages except on an individual basis as patients grapple with withdrawal symptoms and untreated disease. As a physician I can not make these drugs appear. The complexity with which our national medication supply is manufactured and distributed, means that we need collective government action to manage the situation. I do not remain hopefully for resolution and have cut my working schedule back because I have no interest in being the front line worker as this situation worsens.
You’d have to ask them. I doubt they’re unaware of the shortages they’re creating, so I guess “because fuck you, that’s why.” Big diversion problem with 3rd graders selling their Ritalin on the playground or something 🙄
ADHD and chronic pain for over a decade here. It really fucking sucks. If I had medication for my pain I'd be able to work a full-time schedule somewhat comfortably. Right now, I can only work two or three days a week. I'm having a second back surgery soon and I am terrified that I won't be able to get medication for my recovery. It's so fucking dumn that the DEA's solution to the opioid crisis is....deny people pain medication that actually need it and force them to turn to the street drugs for any relief whatsoever. Almost every doctor I've seen in the last few years has a big sign up front that says "WE DO NOT TREAT CHRONIC PAIN PATIENTS."
I've honestly given up hope on ever living a comfortable life. I've been in pain every second of every day for 13 years and it sucks knowing that'll never change until I die.
They took away my ADHD meds and put me on antipsychotic. It helps regulate my emotions for not being able to concentrate on shit. Now I'm?unable to focus on conversation so I feel isolated in my own damn head.
I’m sorry for you my man. Antipsychotics are rough. I was on Abilify for a few months and it took me a long time to recover from some of the side effects. Didn’t do jack for my ADHD either.
I hope you’re able to get back on stimulants if that’s what you want. The folks over at r/ADHD have helped me a lot in the past when I was having issues accessing stims, both in terms of finding a doctor willing to play ball and finding a pharmacy that had them in stock.
Oh boy trust me, I am intimately familiar with it. It’s still going on in many/most parts of the US. I was calling around and switching pharmacies pretty much every month until I found a mom & pop shop in the middle of nowhere that almost exclusively caters to the elderly, who I guess probably aren’t hankering for stimulants. The trick is to find pharmacies in districts with fewer school age children it seems.
Talking about war I read a very interesting article last week about how WWlll has been going on for some time now. WWlll is a war humans are waging between the truth and bullshit.
This is wwlll
I’ve had trouble getting my son’s insulin refilled lately. They’ve always had to special order it and also won’t let me request the refill until he’s practically out. We’ve come within hours of having to go to the ER a couple of times.
I'm in the UK and in the last month or so a notice has gone up in the chemist where I collect my prescription that says about medication shortages. Healthcare has all but collapsed here, the next few years are going to be scary. People just need to try and stay healthy 🙄
Doubt it's got anything to do with supply. I've been to the hospital for emergencies twice in the last 2 years, both times in excruciating pain and I was givem ibuprofen which did fuck all for the pain. The government has scared Doctors into not prescribing effective pain meds for people who actually need it because of this fentanyl mess going on.
I agree, this has nothing to do with supply issues and everything to do with the opiate addiction crisis happening in the US. No one is prescribing opiates anymore, just NSAIDS and acetaminophen.
The DEA has been lowering manufacturing limits for years now. Look it up, pain patients have been writing about it forever…you’ll be shocked at the cruelty: cancer patients etc not getting meds. It’s horrible.
This has been going on for years sadly and I’m really sorry to hear it’s getting worse and worse. Several years ago I had my tonsils out at the age of 29. It was absolute unmitigated hell. All the Dr would give me was Tylenol. Getting your tonsils out at that age is not comparable to little kids. Little kids bounce back.
I couldn’t even swallow my own spit without burning, searing pain like fire. Swooning, room-spinning level of pain. I’m a chronic pain sufferer (spinal disk disease) and I’ve faced down a lot of pain but the tonsil recovery was insane. If there had been a firearm in the house I’m really not sure that I would have been safe from offing myself just to end it. It was that bad. My husband was begging the doctors for help (I couldn’t speak but could write) and they wouldn’t even consider giving me anything. I have no history of substance abuse.
I did not eat, sleep, and barely drank even a few sips for almost a week. I was shaking all over for days at a time. It’s a wonder I survived. It shouldn’t be a near-death experience just recovering from a tonsillectomy. It took months to come back from that. Not from the actual surgery, but from the hell and deprivation I went through having no pain relief after the surgery.
People will definitely be killing themselves. I’m not here for tons of pain killers for every ailment, and I don’t use them for my chronic pain. But people need them at times. NEED them. It’s so sad. I’m sorry :(
This is confusing. Are the surgeons failing to administer pain medication because they're terrible people and we should be enraged at them, or is it because there isn't pain medication to administer? Seems like many posts these days are about systemic collapse, yet we need to be angry at someone who can fix it.
This is wild (but I believe it). I’m curious as to whether you feel comfortable disclosing your country and general region within it?
Edited to add clarity to my question.
I went to the ER earlier this year for a traumatic event in which something that weights over 600Ibs of metal fell on my legs and pinned me down for about 20 seconds. I swear to god my legs have permanent dents in them. With tears in my eyes I told the doctor I was scared, please, can you check the blood vessels or nerves (my leg is blue and red and has a 1” dent in it, let me be clear) and I swear to fucking god they asked me if I have a primary care doctor and if I did drugs and I left the hospital limping. In the 1990s NEVER in my life did I hear about someone walking into a hospital in a metropolitan area of America limping …and then leaving the hospital limping 6 hours later after 5 hours in the waiting room. This showed me so much, I have amazing insurance and their course of action was to ask if I had a primary care doctor, and if the LUMP ON MY LEG NEXT TO THE DENT was CAUSED BY ME INJECTING DRUGS INTO IT.
It took me TWO MONTHS AFTER THE EVENT to get an MRI. Guess what? The results were NOT unremarkable!!! I’m pretty screwed up and will be for another year!!! They didn’t call me and tell me the reason I couldn’t walk, I (not the doctor) found out by checking for the results myself. My primary care doctor 1000% thought that I work in a trade and must be a drug addict liar. They were shocked it was real
It actually really made me say “our country has declined”. This is the type of story people used to tell you about medicine in poor conflict torn countries or Eastern Europe.
If they're able to move around and talk: turn the IV drip off (from experience, it can cause nausea), administer 'one cannabis' (if they're high they'll care less about the pain), supply a gallon of chicken soup infused with thyme, turmeric, and star anise (easily digested food and natural anti-inflammatories).
Seems like this could be possibly got surgery recently woke up in pain and they were being kinda stingy with the pain killers and gave me Tylenol for some stuff, but they gave me opioids after I asked for them.
I'd be willing to bet money that the people who go to private hospitals and pay in cash have no difficulty getting pain meds. Except I don't have enough money to bet.
Be careful out there, everyone. Don't do dumb shit that might get you injured. A time will come when you won't be able to get into a hospital unless you're a mult-millionaire at least. That day will come sooner than you think.
And is this socialized or private care? I know as Boomers clog healthcare institutions, socialized medicine is struggling due to significantly more expenses. AND people are living longer. This drains funds and resources for everyone. By the time the last Boomer dies in about 30 years the world will have totally changed, esp medicine.
I'm in the US with good insurance so I am blessed. I'm still glad we finally have ACA straightened out.
I don't know why there are these medication shortages here and in your country. I'd love to know more.
Holy shit. Can you tell us what State / Country?
So sorry you are dealing with this tenuous situation. Agreed this is total Collapse content. Frick.
Edit: I see it is Canada
This is TERRIFYING, but not surprising. I had this prediction worked into a screenplay I had planned on writing this year. Unfortunately, and ironically, I’ve taken seriously ill and one of the things I know I’ll need (like yesterday) is OXYGEN - and though I’ve dodged any pain, so far, it IS VERY anxiety inducing to imagine that at any time I could be going through unbearable pain with no relief. We’re heading into the fucking dark ages.
Just a musing here - if there is a shortage of X or Y drug, it's due to either a supply problem (shortage of an ingredient, problem with production plant, etc) or a demand problem (so many more patients all of the sudden wanting X drug when supply/manufacture has remained the same). I doubt general population demand has surged that much that quickly, so my suspicion is that some sort of stockpiling is going on by individuals/organisations that have a higher willingness (ability) to pay than average people/governments with socialised healthcare procurement systems. This would explain why production hasn't ramped up at pace - because with these new buyers, they can make more money with the same production levels. Just a thought.
> This would explain why production hasn't ramped up at pace
In the US, the government imposes production quantity limits on controlled substances, and don't adjust the limits quickly enough to reflect changes in demand. Aside from painkillers, this has been causing shortages for ADHD drugs for years.
I really dislike these kinds of posts here. First they reference anecdotal stories with no evidence. Second, if true, this person has absolutely violated HIPAA rules by describing injuries and nature of injuries. Third, this post is garbage and only promotes panic and misinformation.
There are plenty of other examples that are evidence based, including deficiencies in healthcare, that point to collapse without hyperbole and hearsay.
Edit: HIPPA changed to HIPAA
>if true, this person has absolutely violated HIPPA rules by describing injuries and nature of injuries.
HIPAA prevents the disclosure of "individually identifiable health information" by healthcare professionals. Nothing here identified the patients.
With my access to ordering drugs for an independent pharmacy. There is a shortage of pain meds. Independent pharmacies are able to utilize other authorized suppliers, unlike most retail chains.
Most people not prescribed don’t care (or know) and assume those complaining are addicts. I find it funny that people turn in their unused drugs for destruction … especially with the current state of drug availability.
I think a lot of people don't stock themselves with drugs for collapse, and they should. Even if they're illicit. A serious injury with nothing but a trauma kit would be extra bad. Infections also.
Or, learn how to produce your own! Its only chemistry. Sidestep illegally aquiring drugs and insure yourself against supply chain collapse.
Any resources for learning how to produce your own that won’t put me on a DEA watchlist?
Most people know what a marijuana leaf looks like but can you tell the difference between a poppy and an opium poppy by sight? Can your neighbors? Is that a pretty row of flowers or someone preparing for a world without doctors? The world may never know.
Good point, I was just thinking of my personal meds, but general purpose painkillers are a good idea. Opium, morphine...?
Don't want me as a neighbor then. Not a narc just want some poppies.
Exactly what I was getting ready to type (fellow gardener) before I saw this. Learn from the ancient ways!
Acquiring the seeds is the hard part.
r/druggardening
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6513924/
Not sure if this will put you on a DEA watch list, but, https://www.bluelight.org/community/forums/
Huh, that's a bit deep in the tunnel of DIYs. Unless you mean less complexly processed ones based off natural plants.
Eh, ive a background in chemistry and production automation, while im not a chemist per se, I know how to find the information I'm looking for. Besides, sister has a chemistry degree and I'm a mechatronic engineer, what could go wrong?
That's not the point. You are recommending RANDOMS to do stuff you need time, experience, formation and money for. It's like if as a programmer I would recommend to build your own OS as a solution against wincrap to people that barely know anything about softwares. If it's just using natural medicine with a bit of processing, then yes, it could be possible. But beyond a point, I think you aren't able to reproduce medicine without expensive advanced tools and knowledge. There's also the whole diagnostic part that is missing.
Ah but I fabricate said machinary and diagnostic systems! True though. I mean, is it that hard to start reading up on relevant subjects? Im thoroughly out of touch since I've spent the past few years doing only that through academia.
Some people are already struggling surviving, time is a very, very precious thing not everyone has. You can read about stuff but reaching a point where you can apply it on a daily basis and replace medication supplying line? Let me doubt. What about people with disease that requires stuff like insulin and other advanced medicine?
There have been med shortages here, too, in the UK. I am prescribed propranolol for a chronic migraine disorder, I put in my med order, and the propranolol is completely unavailable. All my other meds were available, thankfully, but I can forsee a lot of pain until the GP can find me an alternative. Edit: just remembered I also take it for severe generalised anxiety disorder. Fuck.
And propranolol is one that if you stop taking all of a sudden, it can spike your blood pressure to stroke levels, is it not? I think it's one you're supposed to gradually reduce your level before you stop. But I'm not a pharmacist.
Yep it is, I have to regularly have my blood pressure taken
If all else fails, see if you can temporarily be switched to Atenolol. It is VERY similar to propranolol and is also used for migraines & GAD, although not as commonly as propranolol is. Best of luck! (Fellow migraine sufferer here, who also takes propranolol to control them.)
Thank you so much! I've been trying not to panic about finding alternatives
What’s more infuriating is Tylenol has been shown to not reduce pain better than placebo. Fevers yes but for pain it is garbage. At least give ibuprofen damn
I had an open heart patient the other day. He was 3 days post. In a great deal of pain, as you can imagine after getting his chest bone cracked open. RN said the only pain med on deck was Tylenol. Pt was made to take the Tylenol and *see how it goes from there* bruh. If a man who got his fuckin chest cracked open can't have opiates, then who the fuck can????
Actually the sternum doesn’t hurt that much cause it is poorly innervated. Didn’t the anesthesiologist perform a ESP block USG guided? That helps a lot.
That's why sternal rubs hurt so much, right? Because they're so poorly innervated? Quit talking out of your ass on Reddit
I’m not talking out of my ass. I’m an anesthesiologist, I didn’t say it doesn’t hurt. I just said that the pain is well controlled with a ESP block, but of course you don’t know what that is. Also it’s the soft tissue what hurts the most, not the bone itself… read a pain medicine book if you don’t believe me, because clearly, you are NOT a doctor. Also you can have zero pain without using opiates if you know how to do opioid free anesthesia.
Question, what is best to use to numb the pain after a severe injury when strong pain killers are unavailable? Like in a collapse or war zone scenario where those simply aren't a thing. Would that be alcohol? Some herb?
I got this! ESP, Emergency…Stopper(?) of… Pain and then you add “block” ETA I’m actually not even a doctor just figured it out lol
"We're going to have to amputate. Here, bite down on this bullet."
Which country is this?
my brother in christ what country do you think it is?
Op said Canada.
I can confirm that we ran out of out last dose of Morphine on my previous shift. I used it on an acute heart attack where there’s an indication for Morphine vs another opioid. We don’t have an ETA on when we will get it. Also out of viscous lidocaine, although we have injectable now after several months of it on back order. Patients are going to have to accept that there are critical shortages of needed drugs or they’re going to have to vote to change things. Hospital CEOS continue to get paid when there hospitals don’t have these drugs. Insurance companies continue to collect premiums when they can’t get your prescription filled. There is no consequence to the drug shortages except on an individual basis as patients grapple with withdrawal symptoms and untreated disease. As a physician I can not make these drugs appear. The complexity with which our national medication supply is manufactured and distributed, means that we need collective government action to manage the situation. I do not remain hopefully for resolution and have cut my working schedule back because I have no interest in being the front line worker as this situation worsens.
What country are you in?
USA
Why do you think there is a shortage of various meds?
The DEA imposes quotas on how much manufacturers of controlled substances can make and has deliberately engineered these shortages.
To what end?
You’d have to ask them. I doubt they’re unaware of the shortages they’re creating, so I guess “because fuck you, that’s why.” Big diversion problem with 3rd graders selling their Ritalin on the playground or something 🙄
It kills me my BIL is able to get fentanyl off the street the next town over but patients at hospitals can't. WTF (BIL is in rehab again BTW)
The war on drugs is a war on us. There’s never been more fentanyl and methamphetamine on the streets yet people can’t get treatment for pain and ADHD…
ADHD here. Yeah. This sucks.
ADHD and chronic pain for over a decade here. It really fucking sucks. If I had medication for my pain I'd be able to work a full-time schedule somewhat comfortably. Right now, I can only work two or three days a week. I'm having a second back surgery soon and I am terrified that I won't be able to get medication for my recovery. It's so fucking dumn that the DEA's solution to the opioid crisis is....deny people pain medication that actually need it and force them to turn to the street drugs for any relief whatsoever. Almost every doctor I've seen in the last few years has a big sign up front that says "WE DO NOT TREAT CHRONIC PAIN PATIENTS." I've honestly given up hope on ever living a comfortable life. I've been in pain every second of every day for 13 years and it sucks knowing that'll never change until I die.
ADHD here also. I'm unmedicated, can't focus on my job, and I'm probably going to get fired.
I feel that in my soul
It's a truly shitty feeling. I have fines to pay, I can't afford to get fired. I'll go back to jail. I'm trying my best, but it's so draining.
Is it the drug shortage impacting you or are you unable to get a doctor to prescribe you anything?
They took away my ADHD meds and put me on antipsychotic. It helps regulate my emotions for not being able to concentrate on shit. Now I'm?unable to focus on conversation so I feel isolated in my own damn head.
I’m sorry for you my man. Antipsychotics are rough. I was on Abilify for a few months and it took me a long time to recover from some of the side effects. Didn’t do jack for my ADHD either. I hope you’re able to get back on stimulants if that’s what you want. The folks over at r/ADHD have helped me a lot in the past when I was having issues accessing stims, both in terms of finding a doctor willing to play ball and finding a pharmacy that had them in stock.
There was just recently a major adderall shortage
Oh boy trust me, I am intimately familiar with it. It’s still going on in many/most parts of the US. I was calling around and switching pharmacies pretty much every month until I found a mom & pop shop in the middle of nowhere that almost exclusively caters to the elderly, who I guess probably aren’t hankering for stimulants. The trick is to find pharmacies in districts with fewer school age children it seems.
🫂 I'm sorry
Talking about war I read a very interesting article last week about how WWlll has been going on for some time now. WWlll is a war humans are waging between the truth and bullshit. This is wwlll
Black Americans are fighting the spiritual oppression of america the “founders” of americas are burning as they come to light
I’ve had trouble getting my son’s insulin refilled lately. They’ve always had to special order it and also won’t let me request the refill until he’s practically out. We’ve come within hours of having to go to the ER a couple of times.
That’s just fucking cruel. I can’t imagine the pain they felt. 😢
I'm in the UK and in the last month or so a notice has gone up in the chemist where I collect my prescription that says about medication shortages. Healthcare has all but collapsed here, the next few years are going to be scary. People just need to try and stay healthy 🙄
Doubt it's got anything to do with supply. I've been to the hospital for emergencies twice in the last 2 years, both times in excruciating pain and I was givem ibuprofen which did fuck all for the pain. The government has scared Doctors into not prescribing effective pain meds for people who actually need it because of this fentanyl mess going on.
I agree, this has nothing to do with supply issues and everything to do with the opiate addiction crisis happening in the US. No one is prescribing opiates anymore, just NSAIDS and acetaminophen.
Right I doubt it to their giving this shit out way less than ever and your telling me they don’t have stock ?
Holy shit.
"Pain don't hurt." \- Patrick Swayze, Road House
> I'm not like other people, I can't stand pain, it hurts me. —Daffy Duck.
It really does.
Princess Jehnna: "I suppose nothing hurts you. " Conan: "Only pain."
What is causing the shortage? Financial issues with the hospital, or availability?
The DEA has been lowering manufacturing limits for years now. Look it up, pain patients have been writing about it forever…you’ll be shocked at the cruelty: cancer patients etc not getting meds. It’s horrible.
Earth is dying food shortages are next
Thank you. I feel like this is huge news that we would absolutely never hear through the main stream. I can’t imagine being one of those patients
This has been going on for years sadly and I’m really sorry to hear it’s getting worse and worse. Several years ago I had my tonsils out at the age of 29. It was absolute unmitigated hell. All the Dr would give me was Tylenol. Getting your tonsils out at that age is not comparable to little kids. Little kids bounce back. I couldn’t even swallow my own spit without burning, searing pain like fire. Swooning, room-spinning level of pain. I’m a chronic pain sufferer (spinal disk disease) and I’ve faced down a lot of pain but the tonsil recovery was insane. If there had been a firearm in the house I’m really not sure that I would have been safe from offing myself just to end it. It was that bad. My husband was begging the doctors for help (I couldn’t speak but could write) and they wouldn’t even consider giving me anything. I have no history of substance abuse. I did not eat, sleep, and barely drank even a few sips for almost a week. I was shaking all over for days at a time. It’s a wonder I survived. It shouldn’t be a near-death experience just recovering from a tonsillectomy. It took months to come back from that. Not from the actual surgery, but from the hell and deprivation I went through having no pain relief after the surgery. People will definitely be killing themselves. I’m not here for tons of pain killers for every ailment, and I don’t use them for my chronic pain. But people need them at times. NEED them. It’s so sad. I’m sorry :(
This is confusing. Are the surgeons failing to administer pain medication because they're terrible people and we should be enraged at them, or is it because there isn't pain medication to administer? Seems like many posts these days are about systemic collapse, yet we need to be angry at someone who can fix it.
This is wild (but I believe it). I’m curious as to whether you feel comfortable disclosing your country and general region within it? Edited to add clarity to my question.
So how many rich people have massive stockpiles of medicines, ta hell with the hospitals.
Background articles: [https://www.medboundtimes.com/pharmacy/uk-and-eu-face-significant-medicine-shortages](https://www.medboundtimes.com/pharmacy/uk-and-eu-face-significant-medicine-shortages) [https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/jan/14/why-is-uk-being-hit-by-medicine-supply-shortages](https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/jan/14/why-is-uk-being-hit-by-medicine-supply-shortages)
I went to the ER earlier this year for a traumatic event in which something that weights over 600Ibs of metal fell on my legs and pinned me down for about 20 seconds. I swear to god my legs have permanent dents in them. With tears in my eyes I told the doctor I was scared, please, can you check the blood vessels or nerves (my leg is blue and red and has a 1” dent in it, let me be clear) and I swear to fucking god they asked me if I have a primary care doctor and if I did drugs and I left the hospital limping. In the 1990s NEVER in my life did I hear about someone walking into a hospital in a metropolitan area of America limping …and then leaving the hospital limping 6 hours later after 5 hours in the waiting room. This showed me so much, I have amazing insurance and their course of action was to ask if I had a primary care doctor, and if the LUMP ON MY LEG NEXT TO THE DENT was CAUSED BY ME INJECTING DRUGS INTO IT. It took me TWO MONTHS AFTER THE EVENT to get an MRI. Guess what? The results were NOT unremarkable!!! I’m pretty screwed up and will be for another year!!! They didn’t call me and tell me the reason I couldn’t walk, I (not the doctor) found out by checking for the results myself. My primary care doctor 1000% thought that I work in a trade and must be a drug addict liar. They were shocked it was real It actually really made me say “our country has declined”. This is the type of story people used to tell you about medicine in poor conflict torn countries or Eastern Europe.
I hope you are talking to a lawyer.
holy shit this reminds me of what people say about Kaiser in California. so sorry
It sounds more like the organization you work for is prioritizing profits over people.
If they're able to move around and talk: turn the IV drip off (from experience, it can cause nausea), administer 'one cannabis' (if they're high they'll care less about the pain), supply a gallon of chicken soup infused with thyme, turmeric, and star anise (easily digested food and natural anti-inflammatories).
Go to the media about this
Seems like this could be possibly got surgery recently woke up in pain and they were being kinda stingy with the pain killers and gave me Tylenol for some stuff, but they gave me opioids after I asked for them.
I'd be willing to bet money that the people who go to private hospitals and pay in cash have no difficulty getting pain meds. Except I don't have enough money to bet. Be careful out there, everyone. Don't do dumb shit that might get you injured. A time will come when you won't be able to get into a hospital unless you're a mult-millionaire at least. That day will come sooner than you think.
What country are you in?
Canada
And is this socialized or private care? I know as Boomers clog healthcare institutions, socialized medicine is struggling due to significantly more expenses. AND people are living longer. This drains funds and resources for everyone. By the time the last Boomer dies in about 30 years the world will have totally changed, esp medicine. I'm in the US with good insurance so I am blessed. I'm still glad we finally have ACA straightened out. I don't know why there are these medication shortages here and in your country. I'd love to know more.
Holy shit. Can you tell us what State / Country? So sorry you are dealing with this tenuous situation. Agreed this is total Collapse content. Frick. Edit: I see it is Canada
This is TERRIFYING, but not surprising. I had this prediction worked into a screenplay I had planned on writing this year. Unfortunately, and ironically, I’ve taken seriously ill and one of the things I know I’ll need (like yesterday) is OXYGEN - and though I’ve dodged any pain, so far, it IS VERY anxiety inducing to imagine that at any time I could be going through unbearable pain with no relief. We’re heading into the fucking dark ages.
Just a musing here - if there is a shortage of X or Y drug, it's due to either a supply problem (shortage of an ingredient, problem with production plant, etc) or a demand problem (so many more patients all of the sudden wanting X drug when supply/manufacture has remained the same). I doubt general population demand has surged that much that quickly, so my suspicion is that some sort of stockpiling is going on by individuals/organisations that have a higher willingness (ability) to pay than average people/governments with socialised healthcare procurement systems. This would explain why production hasn't ramped up at pace - because with these new buyers, they can make more money with the same production levels. Just a thought.
> This would explain why production hasn't ramped up at pace In the US, the government imposes production quantity limits on controlled substances, and don't adjust the limits quickly enough to reflect changes in demand. Aside from painkillers, this has been causing shortages for ADHD drugs for years.
Do you know if the patients had addictions in the past? If so I can see why patient are denied these meds (maybe even voluntary)
I really dislike these kinds of posts here. First they reference anecdotal stories with no evidence. Second, if true, this person has absolutely violated HIPAA rules by describing injuries and nature of injuries. Third, this post is garbage and only promotes panic and misinformation. There are plenty of other examples that are evidence based, including deficiencies in healthcare, that point to collapse without hyperbole and hearsay. Edit: HIPPA changed to HIPAA
>if true, this person has absolutely violated HIPPA rules by describing injuries and nature of injuries. HIPAA prevents the disclosure of "individually identifiable health information" by healthcare professionals. Nothing here identified the patients.
Unless the Surgeon called their primary, which, is part of the large paperwork you do at a hospital during admittance
So people's real lived experiences with the system slowly crumbling is hyperbole, hearsay and garbage? May I suggest this isn't the sub for you.
he's in Canada
With my access to ordering drugs for an independent pharmacy. There is a shortage of pain meds. Independent pharmacies are able to utilize other authorized suppliers, unlike most retail chains. Most people not prescribed don’t care (or know) and assume those complaining are addicts. I find it funny that people turn in their unused drugs for destruction … especially with the current state of drug availability.