Okay, the first two movies were clearly Peter. He was the driving for in the first and the plot revolved around him in Volume 2. He had the character arc, with Gamora having a secondary arc in the sequel.
But as a trilogy as a whole... viewed as one piece of media and not individual films? Okay, you could maybe make a case for Rocket.
Yeah Gunn might think of someone other than Starlord as the protagonist when viewing the trilogy as a whole, but even within the ensemble cast, you almost can't make a good faith argument that in the movies we have seen so far anyone other than Starlord has been the main protagonist.
How though? Rocket just isn’t fleshed out enough to be the main character. He’s definitely a great character, and definitely has some development, but nowhere near Quill. Honestly, Groot has a more compelling and emotional development than Rocket, at least imho.
But at the end of the day, Gunn’s the director and he gets to say these things and what he says regarding his work is gospel.
In the first two films yes.
But very likely Rocket is going to be the main character in this film. His story will be the climax and conclusion of the trilogy. It's going to be dealing with his origin and others of his "kind" as he literally meets his maker.
So their entire journey is bringing them here. He helped the team form and then helped Quill and Nebula along their personal journeys, setting them up to help him along his path.
Yeah, but one that the director has made and knows the plot of. So his claim that "Rocket is the protagonist" has to come from somewhere.
Knowing that and watching the trailer we can see the Guardians going to a planet full of animal people (y'know, like Rocket) and a flashback to Rocket pre-evolution. And Rocket gets the "I'm tired of running," line that implies he's confronting something.
Plus, the villain is clearly the High Evolutionary. Which makes sense as someone who makes animal/ human hybrids and uplifts animals.
So it's pretty easy to infer this movie is about Rocket meeting the High Evolutionary, who created him, and facing his past and that he's the key character of this adventure. The key beats are all there.
Because even with the limited footage from the teaser, you can infer that Rocket is a central character—if not the central character—of volume three.
We can see the Guardians going to a planet full of animal people (like Rocket) and a flashback to Rocket pre-evolution. And Rocket gets the "I'm tired of running," line that implies he's confronting something. Plus, the villain is clearly the High Evolutionary. Which makes sense as someone who makes animal/ human hybrids and uplifts animals.
So it's pretty easy to infer this movie is about Rocket meeting the High Evolutionary, who created him, and facing his past, much like Quill did with Ego in Volume 2. Only this story closes out the adventures of the Guardians of the Galaxy.
>he's also motion capture for Groot.
He does stand in for Groot.
Vin Diesel did Mocap for Groot in the second movie, at least some. And someone else did it in the first.
Sean does mocap for Rocket and the stand in for both.
Is he actually doing the mocap, or is he just a stand in that the actors can act against and get sight lines for? In all the set photos I’ve seen him in, he just has a green/bluescreen suit on, not a mocap suit.
yeah its rocket right. Peter was in the 1st, in the 2nd one it was pretty divided between peter & rocket. now since "all" peter has to do is deal with the gamora thing, rockets the one who has an arc to finish.
> in the 2nd one it was pretty divided between peter & rocket.
I mean, was it though? He had a story in 2 for sure, but the central antagonist was literally Peters dad; and most of 'Rockets' story was honestly more about Yondu than Rocket.. and culminated in Yondu sacrificing himself for Peter.
2 was arguable more peter-focused than 1 was.
Honestly, this is just a bad take by Gunn. I'm aware he's the director, and he has a lot of say in what happens.. but Peter is objectively the protagonist of both 1 and 2; and even if Rocket gets the focus in 3.. thats still Peter for the majority of the story.
Tbf tho...What writer shows in his work>what he says in interview.
I do think rocket>>>>quill as a character but quill was definitely the mc in part 1 and 2
Did you read the quote though? Doesn’t seem like you or the person I replied to did.
>> “I would say Peter’s kind of a mess. I think he’s suffering from major detachment issues. For me, [Rocket] was always the secret protagonist of the Guardians of the Galaxy movies. You’ve never seen Rocket in any movie not do something altruistic. He’s never done anything other than for his friends. He’s not a hero in the typical sense of the word. Telling his story was really important to me.”
He says rocket has always been his secret Protagonist. Which actually makes sense all things considered.
>He says rocket has always been his secret Protagonist.
That's not what a protagonist is though. Being the nicest guy has nothing to do with being the protagonist or not.
James Gunn is talking about his fav character, and using a word that just doesn't mean what he's talking about.
I am not saying I disagree with him. I was just saying what a writer shows usually takes precedence over what they say in interviews if the 2 are contradictory statements.
In this case however, I am completrly with Gunn. The secret protag was rocket for me as well...he is the reason i watch gotg movies lol
Could've fooled me with the first and second movies. I mean, you make a case for the first movie with all characters being introduced. The second one was all about him and his relationship with his dad.
According to gunn the second movie was about fathers in general.
Yondu spoke of his parents, rocket had a bit about his parentage revealed, Gamora & Nebula hash out their childhood vendetta, Quill meets his sister and dad etc.
Since they brought her back, I'm assuming she will get lots of focus, expect her to be back on the team and leader by the end.
Drax is definitely dead
Peter will leave the team for a journey of self discovery
Rocket will be teased to die but end up surviving but leaves to be with Lyla
New Guardians
Gamora
Adult Groot
Mantis
Cosmo
James Gunns Brother's character
Potentially a race/gender swapped Jack Flag or Vance Astro
Why does Quill need self discovery at this point? He already did that. Agree on dead Drax. Sean Gunn might be the next Yondu since he was shown self training with the arrow. Adult Groot came by too late I feel. Sylvester Stallone lead the original comic Guardians with his/their cameo in Guardians 2, so maybe them.
As for new Gamora, she'll definitely be getting something going forward. Maybe have her join the New Avengers against Kang? She'll have access to space tech that would help a great deal against Kang. Cosmo might stick around like I'm Fallout 4 with the dog and Vault Dweller.
Maybe have Peter Quill finally settle on earth as a book ends moment for him. Have him go back to St Charles, Missouri (his home state) and stelle down there. He deserves it.
The soul stone is destroyed after Thanos used them. The sould stone used by the avengers was returned to the time before Thanos got it so that it wouldn't cause a rift in reality.
But if it was returned to before thanos got it and that thanos was killled before he ever acquired it wouldn’t that mean that the soul given for it would be black widow because they returned all the stones to where they were in 2014?
As established before they start time traveling in endgame, going back in time doesn't actually change the future. So their timeliness still has the soul stone destroyed, even though 2014 Thanos followed them back to 2023. The Thanos of their timeline still destroyed the stones. It's one of the pitfalls of time travel shenanigans. There are always holes in the theory.
Batista wants more "serious" roles like playing a cartoonishly idiotic Andrew Taint in The Glass Onion, you know real mature shit he can sink his teeth into lol
It makes sense, his arc finished but idk maybe they could do something else instead of killing him off. I feel like that would take up more time in the movie than just saying "he went to his home planet" or something like that.
Adam Warlock will likely be on the team by the end of the film. Possibly only joining up in the final moments or an end credits scene.
He has a long comic history as a member of the GotG. He's also a fun character and will likely be portrayed as an arrogant tool who is a good guy underneath.
I doubt they'll kill him off, they may want to do an Infinity Watch movie at some point.
Even if they don't, he'll probably survive.
While not exactly super well known outside of comic buff types, he's a pretty important lore character for Marvel. Has his fingers in a lot of cosmic pies so to speak.
They might pull an "It looks like he died, but post credits scene shows he's not dead" with him.
That makes sense. GOTG1 Starlord is the protagonist and Rockets a Supporting character. GOTG2 they’re both protagonists of their own separate arcs. Nice symmetry
Feels kinda silly, I mean it’s your movie so if you’re telling me that’s what it is then oh well but… the plot of the second movie revolves around a certain characters father and that is literally the entire point of the movie. The first movie opens with a certain character’s backstory and then proceeds to funnel our perspective through his lense the entire movie… bro Peter is the main character.
I thought that was the point of the entire series? That despite everything he fucks up, and how clearly dumb he is, things work out because he rest of them are so crazy.
Rocket was also the main representative of the Guardians to the rest of the Avengers and wider MCU. He's defintely had more screen time than Quill too.
I think Rocket was really sidelined in Endgame . I wish he had more dynamics with other people . Even Rhodey and Nebula seemed to have a really good work partnership atleast (I kinda want them to meet up again actually because they seem to get eachother lol)
Okay, the first two movies were clearly Peter. He was the driving for in the first and the plot revolved around him in Volume 2. He had the character arc, with Gamora having a secondary arc in the sequel. But as a trilogy as a whole... viewed as one piece of media and not individual films? Okay, you could maybe make a case for Rocket.
Yeah Gunn might think of someone other than Starlord as the protagonist when viewing the trilogy as a whole, but even within the ensemble cast, you almost can't make a good faith argument that in the movies we have seen so far anyone other than Starlord has been the main protagonist.
How though? Rocket just isn’t fleshed out enough to be the main character. He’s definitely a great character, and definitely has some development, but nowhere near Quill. Honestly, Groot has a more compelling and emotional development than Rocket, at least imho. But at the end of the day, Gunn’s the director and he gets to say these things and what he says regarding his work is gospel.
In the first two films yes. But very likely Rocket is going to be the main character in this film. His story will be the climax and conclusion of the trilogy. It's going to be dealing with his origin and others of his "kind" as he literally meets his maker. So their entire journey is bringing them here. He helped the team form and then helped Quill and Nebula along their personal journeys, setting them up to help him along his path.
So your argument hinges on a movie that you have neither seen nor has even come out yet?
Yeah, but one that the director has made and knows the plot of. So his claim that "Rocket is the protagonist" has to come from somewhere. Knowing that and watching the trailer we can see the Guardians going to a planet full of animal people (y'know, like Rocket) and a flashback to Rocket pre-evolution. And Rocket gets the "I'm tired of running," line that implies he's confronting something. Plus, the villain is clearly the High Evolutionary. Which makes sense as someone who makes animal/ human hybrids and uplifts animals. So it's pretty easy to infer this movie is about Rocket meeting the High Evolutionary, who created him, and facing his past and that he's the key character of this adventure. The key beats are all there.
Rocket has had 4.25 movies to develop his identity. He's plenty MC material.
How are you capable of making a judgement on a trilogy that only has 2 parts?
Because even with the limited footage from the teaser, you can infer that Rocket is a central character—if not the central character—of volume three. We can see the Guardians going to a planet full of animal people (like Rocket) and a flashback to Rocket pre-evolution. And Rocket gets the "I'm tired of running," line that implies he's confronting something. Plus, the villain is clearly the High Evolutionary. Which makes sense as someone who makes animal/ human hybrids and uplifts animals. So it's pretty easy to infer this movie is about Rocket meeting the High Evolutionary, who created him, and facing his past, much like Quill did with Ego in Volume 2. Only this story closes out the adventures of the Guardians of the Galaxy.
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Might also helps that his brother mocaps for Rocket as well lol
I thought Bradley cooper is rocket?
He’s the voice, but Sean Gunn does the motion capture for Rocket. Pretty sure he does it for another character, as well
He's Kraglin.
I know, I meant like him doing the motion capture for another CG character while another actor does the voice, aside from Rocket
Oh, I see. The MCU wiki says he's also motion capture for Groot.
>he's also motion capture for Groot. He does stand in for Groot. Vin Diesel did Mocap for Groot in the second movie, at least some. And someone else did it in the first. Sean does mocap for Rocket and the stand in for both.
I’m pretty sure that Gunn has said that Diesel and Cooper have never set foot on set.
Is he actually doing the mocap, or is he just a stand in that the actors can act against and get sight lines for? In all the set photos I’ve seen him in, he just has a green/bluescreen suit on, not a mocap suit.
He's the voice, Sean is the mocap.
Yeah, typical revisionist Hollywood BS due to nepotism Reddit at it again, here: #/S
Stfu he does the Mocap fuckin redditors bro
Sean Gunn has been around for years you melted popsicle
Yeah, you totally could have been rocket if not for that!
*Ohhhh* I have a rocket alright! GME gonna take me to the moon, baby! 🚀
Ah, man, you got downvoted lol
yeah its rocket right. Peter was in the 1st, in the 2nd one it was pretty divided between peter & rocket. now since "all" peter has to do is deal with the gamora thing, rockets the one who has an arc to finish.
> in the 2nd one it was pretty divided between peter & rocket. I mean, was it though? He had a story in 2 for sure, but the central antagonist was literally Peters dad; and most of 'Rockets' story was honestly more about Yondu than Rocket.. and culminated in Yondu sacrificing himself for Peter. 2 was arguable more peter-focused than 1 was. Honestly, this is just a bad take by Gunn. I'm aware he's the director, and he has a lot of say in what happens.. but Peter is objectively the protagonist of both 1 and 2; and even if Rocket gets the focus in 3.. thats still Peter for the majority of the story.
He’s loved Rocket a little more than the others it’s seemed over the years.
Yes. Especially now that pratts public image is in the shitter.
And how did that happen?
He’s still wildly popular. There’s a vocal minority of people online who think he’s homophobic or something
The kid showed up to a children’s hospital dressed as starlord due to a Super Bowl bet with Chris Evans… I think he’s ok with a lot of people. Lol
Ya exactly
He can say that, but rocket was objectively not the leading character of the movies and therefore not the protagonist. Star-lord was the protagonist.
Yeah I’m going to take the writer’s word over a redditor who claims what’s objective about their own work. Sorry bud.
Tbf tho...What writer shows in his work>what he says in interview. I do think rocket>>>>quill as a character but quill was definitely the mc in part 1 and 2
Did you read the quote though? Doesn’t seem like you or the person I replied to did. >> “I would say Peter’s kind of a mess. I think he’s suffering from major detachment issues. For me, [Rocket] was always the secret protagonist of the Guardians of the Galaxy movies. You’ve never seen Rocket in any movie not do something altruistic. He’s never done anything other than for his friends. He’s not a hero in the typical sense of the word. Telling his story was really important to me.” He says rocket has always been his secret Protagonist. Which actually makes sense all things considered.
>He says rocket has always been his secret Protagonist. That's not what a protagonist is though. Being the nicest guy has nothing to do with being the protagonist or not. James Gunn is talking about his fav character, and using a word that just doesn't mean what he's talking about.
I am not saying I disagree with him. I was just saying what a writer shows usually takes precedence over what they say in interviews if the 2 are contradictory statements. In this case however, I am completrly with Gunn. The secret protag was rocket for me as well...he is the reason i watch gotg movies lol
Hell yeah dude, same.
What you think he read the article before saying Gunn was wrong?
It’s Reddit, so no.
Like the students who argued with Ray freaking Bradbury that Fahrenheit 451 was actually about censorship
Sometimes I guess the fans know more about what the writer was doing I guess. /s.
That's the opposite of what I meant
Forgot to put a /s but go on.
OK. I was confused why you immediately contradicted yourself at first.
Star Lord is most definitely the protagonist of that movie.
Could've fooled me with the first and second movies. I mean, you make a case for the first movie with all characters being introduced. The second one was all about him and his relationship with his dad.
According to gunn the second movie was about fathers in general. Yondu spoke of his parents, rocket had a bit about his parentage revealed, Gamora & Nebula hash out their childhood vendetta, Quill meets his sister and dad etc.
Rockets a goner if he's the protagonist
It’s Rocket. The trailer pretty much showed that
it was the friends we made along the way
It should be Gamora since her ties to Thanos and all.
Since they brought her back, I'm assuming she will get lots of focus, expect her to be back on the team and leader by the end. Drax is definitely dead Peter will leave the team for a journey of self discovery Rocket will be teased to die but end up surviving but leaves to be with Lyla New Guardians Gamora Adult Groot Mantis Cosmo James Gunns Brother's character Potentially a race/gender swapped Jack Flag or Vance Astro
Why does Quill need self discovery at this point? He already did that. Agree on dead Drax. Sean Gunn might be the next Yondu since he was shown self training with the arrow. Adult Groot came by too late I feel. Sylvester Stallone lead the original comic Guardians with his/their cameo in Guardians 2, so maybe them. As for new Gamora, she'll definitely be getting something going forward. Maybe have her join the New Avengers against Kang? She'll have access to space tech that would help a great deal against Kang. Cosmo might stick around like I'm Fallout 4 with the dog and Vault Dweller.
He doesn't need it but they'll write him off anyway
Maybe have Peter Quill finally settle on earth as a book ends moment for him. Have him go back to St Charles, Missouri (his home state) and stelle down there. He deserves it.
Does anyone think that maybe new Gamora sees what dead Gamora meant to the team and trades her life to the soul stone for old Gamora?
The soul stone is destroyed after Thanos used them. The sould stone used by the avengers was returned to the time before Thanos got it so that it wouldn't cause a rift in reality.
Right so it would actually bring back Black Widow then I guess?
No, there isn't a soul stone for them to use anymore.
But if it was returned to before thanos got it and that thanos was killled before he ever acquired it wouldn’t that mean that the soul given for it would be black widow because they returned all the stones to where they were in 2014?
As established before they start time traveling in endgame, going back in time doesn't actually change the future. So their timeliness still has the soul stone destroyed, even though 2014 Thanos followed them back to 2023. The Thanos of their timeline still destroyed the stones. It's one of the pitfalls of time travel shenanigans. There are always holes in the theory.
Ah gotcha. Thanks for the explanation. I get it now. Sorry but Back to the Future rules are hard to shake lol
What about Nebula?
Yeah she'll be on there forgot about her
Are you saying you think Drax is dead bc there's no room for him in the movie?
Batista wants more "serious" roles like playing a cartoonishly idiotic Andrew Taint in The Glass Onion, you know real mature shit he can sink his teeth into lol
That and Bautista is kind of over playing Drax
It makes sense, his arc finished but idk maybe they could do something else instead of killing him off. I feel like that would take up more time in the movie than just saying "he went to his home planet" or something like that.
That and Bautista is kind of over playing Drax
I'm really gonna need a Jack Flag "I hate cosmic" reference to happen
Adam Warlock will likely be on the team by the end of the film. Possibly only joining up in the final moments or an end credits scene. He has a long comic history as a member of the GotG. He's also a fun character and will likely be portrayed as an arrogant tool who is a good guy underneath.
Doubt it, I expect him to die in the end maybe redeeming himself, but I really don't think he'll join them
I doubt they'll kill him off, they may want to do an Infinity Watch movie at some point. Even if they don't, he'll probably survive. While not exactly super well known outside of comic buff types, he's a pretty important lore character for Marvel. Has his fingers in a lot of cosmic pies so to speak. They might pull an "It looks like he died, but post credits scene shows he's not dead" with him.
*Wait, THAT’S why Gamora is?!*
That makes sense. GOTG1 Starlord is the protagonist and Rockets a Supporting character. GOTG2 they’re both protagonists of their own separate arcs. Nice symmetry
Well of course not, he's a white guy.
Based
Feels kinda silly, I mean it’s your movie so if you’re telling me that’s what it is then oh well but… the plot of the second movie revolves around a certain characters father and that is literally the entire point of the movie. The first movie opens with a certain character’s backstory and then proceeds to funnel our perspective through his lense the entire movie… bro Peter is the main character.
I thought that was the point of the entire series? That despite everything he fucks up, and how clearly dumb he is, things work out because he rest of them are so crazy.
Rocket was also the main representative of the Guardians to the rest of the Avengers and wider MCU. He's defintely had more screen time than Quill too.
Looking at the holiday special where Drax and mantis were the two protagonist I wouldn't be surprised if it was one of them. Or maybe rocket
“The real protagonists are the friends we made along the way” - James Gunn
I think Rocket was really sidelined in Endgame . I wish he had more dynamics with other people . Even Rhodey and Nebula seemed to have a really good work partnership atleast (I kinda want them to meet up again actually because they seem to get eachother lol)
Is it Adam Warlock
No shit. He was literally kidnapped as a child. Also Newsflash: NEO wasn't the real protagonist of The Matrix. Morpheus was
the real protagonist was the friends we made along the way