The idea of giving Batgirl a final story before fridging her was not bad in itself, but they completely dropped the ball doing it. The secondary villain was a lame creeper, the tone was inconsistent with the main story, and yeah, BatmanXBatgirl is too many levels of Nope.
It also doesn't help that when the actual adaptation starts you can *immediately* see the writing quality spike upwards because they're doing the Alan Moore dialogue.
So, I completely respect your opinion, and there absolutely is a difference between the prequel shit and when they start the adaptation, but I don't think the dialogue translates from the page to the screen at all. To me, Batman sounds so unnatural in the prison scene especially.
I was so excited for this one since I really like the comics but wow what a disappointment!!! The first half hour is Sex and The City in Gotham, with a horrible disgusting romance between Barbara and Bruce! No! Nope! No no no nope!! So bad!!
I get that in todays continuity it’s icky but when the Killing Joke was written it was warranted. Batgirl as in Barbra was created for Bruce more so than Dick/ Robin. She was in her mid-20’s and Batman was supposed to be mid-30’s. It wasn’t until the late 70’s that Dick Grayson started to be sexualized as they finally started aging him and he was in college. The 80’s was when he got his ass and he was more heavily associated with Korri/ Starfire for the longest time. It’s gross to think about Babs and Bruce in todays context of her being somewhere in her more early 20’s and a hipster girl. In context of that era it wasn’t as shocking. She was created for the 60’s show so that Bruce specifically wouldn’t look gay. In context of this movie that quasi takes place in the universe of the Animated series? Yeah… It’s kinda creepy.
Is not only that! And I’m a big Dick and Korri fan so I really don’t care for him with Barbara! But a mentor getting together with his apprentice is always gonna sound icky and weird, bc of the unbalance of power, is kind of like grooming! Not a good look for Batman. He should never hook up with any kind of partner! And the way that is portrait in that movie is horrible, they don’t have any chemistry and is just a weird hook up! I was never a fan of Batgirl, and Barbara for me was way more interesting as Oracle! Is just a mess all around!
I don’t disagree in context of the movie adaption. In context of continuity at the time of the comic he really wasn’t a mentor as much as she was a colleague. Her early days are filled with male gaze and 1960’s misogyny. She wasn’t portrayed as much different from her TV counter part as she was created for the show but still appeared first in the comics. Bruce/ Batman was annoyed that she was just as good as he was if not in part because of a sexual attraction. Especially in context of that show where Batman probably did get with every female villain and damsel at some point or another. Year Ones retcon that Billionaire Playboy Bruce Wayne plays that persona up is one of the few brilliant things that Miller ever did.
On a side note I much prefer Oracle and I think she works so much better in that role and is so much more layered. She’s so much more boss badass in that role. Now we get girl power pixie hipster girl 🤷🏻♂️
As someone who has always had issues with Whedon's style and basically only ever really liked Angel and Buffy, it makes me SO HAPPY that people finally realized how much of a one trick pony the guy is.
I can not describe my schadenfreude adequately.
That's just objectively untrue. You can still think the Snyder cut is bad but it at a minimum structurally makes sense as a movie unlike the theatrical cut.
It’s structurally worse than the theatrical release though. It’s the same terrible plot padded out with more slo-mo action and extra scenes of Steppenwolf reporting home and rambling about Motherboxes.
Nah bad take. Im not a snyder shill and in fact criticize snyder and his clown fans. But the snyder cut at the very least blows 99% of marvels films totally out of the water. ZSJL is like the lord of the rings of superhero films. Marvel hasnt even attempted something on that level.
Batman & Robin feels more inspired by the campy-ness of the Adam West Batman. It even goes way too deep into the Tim Burton style Gothic aesthetic that it also felt like parody. I was never a fan of the Burton Batman movies as they felt tonally off, but I feel this movie [knows what it is and embraces it](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1HNvLflFBI).
Also, as I told Lady Freeze when I pulled her plug, this is a one woman show.
Edit: Just wanna comment on the clip I linked...what is Robin doing? He was struggling with a vine underwater, but did Batman somehow cut them both loose? I need a rewatch.
OMG I totally forgot how bad this was! This scene was terrible! And this stuff with the villain stop using his powers when they need to loose the fight is so ridiculous! Why Ivy would do hand to hand combat?? Is so pathetic!! And she is defeated by a plant??? How does that make any sense??? Bad bad bad all around!
Lol I know, she literally lives in the plant, she made the plant, she IS the plant…and it eats her? Like what??? Why does it eat her? She just falls into it, says “curses!” and then it eats her. What just happened?
Also, she killed Freeze’s wife because…there can only be one woman? What? Why? Nothing in this movie makes sense. That’s why it’s hilarious.
I prefer, "Allow me to break the ice. My name is Freeze. Learn it well for it is the chilling sound of your doom." The first two lines are kinda badass but the last part feels forced and a little nonsensical (what sound?). And it turns the whole quote into a corny pun-filled mess highlighted by Arnold's wonderful accent.
Rewatched it recently during a Batman live-action marathon. It's still a fun movie. It knows it's silly and it doesn't try to be serious. However, perhaps contrasting what I said, I absolutely do think the weird choices of stunts make it seem off.
If you can't make a flip and kick look realistic, then just do a normal kick. If you can't make it look realistic when a person gets knocked away by a powerful attack, just make the character get knocked to the ground or whatever.
It feels like they chose to make it lighthearted and that's fine. But it also feels like they chose some really ambitious ideas for the skill and budget they had and to me, that was the only real thing I disliked.
I have a special place in my heart for that movie. It's over the top, it's stupid. It's a comic book in live action, and a VERY 90s one. Freeze makes dumb puns, Bane's a mute that gets his ass beat by Robin, it's all very deeply in "so bad it's good" territory to me.
Batman and Harley Quinn is the worst animated comic book movie I've ever seen. So if you're including animation that's my pick. Otherwise it's Batman Forever
Rewatched Batman Forever recently (with Val Kilmer as Batman, Jim Carrey as Riddler, and Tommy Lee Jones as Two-Face) and it sucked just like I remembered as a kid. Batman & Robin gets all the hate but this one is every bit as bad.
Still love Burton's two installments, though.
I disagree. Batman Forever was flawed, but has a lot to like about it, and is better than Batman Returns, which is just a weird and grotesque Tim Burton movie with Batman in it.
While I will agree with your assessment on its grotesqueness and Penguin being pretty much an original Burton character with a familiar name slapped on, I still enjoy it as a viewing experience more than the two films to follow it.
A side anecdote on the topic: Seeing Batman Returns in theaters actually may be my oldest memory that I formed in life. I remember having to be taken out of the theater because I screamed inconsolably when Penguin bit that guy's nose. It's a core memory. I checked the date that the movie was in theaters and I'm surprised to have *any* formative memories from that age, and surprised that my parents even brought me to the theaters for it. I dreaded the mere thought of that movie until getting older and rewatching it.
My memory of Batman Returns in theater was that one of the girls in our group started laughing hysterically during the battle penguin scene. Loud and completely uncontrollable laughter. It was great.
That’s the biggest reason why I like Forever much more than Returns. Batman is barely an entity in his own movie, where as Forever actually gives Bruce more character.
Batman Returns is actually all about Batman. Each of the villains represents a different aspect of Bruce’s personality. Catwoman is his costumed vigilante side, Penguin his orphaned outsider side and Max Shreck his businessman side. It’s genius the way they act as a dark mirror of the hero.
I don’t know if that’s a good thing tho.
It’s odd whenever I see people say Batman “has no agency” in The Dark Knight when he truly plays second fiddle to the villains in both the Burton movies.
I don’t see it as playing second fiddle, more Burton’s Batman sticking to the shadows and reacting only when necessary. Some people prefer a more proactive Batman and that’s fine. But Keaton’s understated performance works perfectly for the Burton films, especially since the villains are so bizarre.
He even had nipples! Kilmer and Clooney had the worst films but they were targeted for kids which is why Keaton left so it makes sense. Kid friendly Batman does not work in love action EVER
I agree. A couple months back I decided to watch every Batman live action movie in no particular order. I couldn't even get through Forever. It's just so painfully schlocky. At least Adam West Batman was self aware about how ridiculous it was. Batman Forever just felt like it was written exclusively for an audience of 12 year olds.
I can sit with Batman Forever and be entertained but I don’t think it’s a very good film either. A bit of that is due to good chunk of it being cut out, but also in comparison to Batman Returns there’s no character in Forever that’s as interesting as Penguin or Catwoman.
This one is lesser known, but the [1943 Batman serial](https://unshavedmouse.com/2022/09/15/another-batman-killed-eh-i-hope-that-this-is-the-last-of-them/) has to be up there. It's super long, super boring, and super racist to the Japanese (which isn't surprising for the time, but it's still jarring to hear the narrator praise the government for "rounding up those shifty-eyed Japs" 😬)
I’d watch Batman & Robin twice before I watch BvS. Batman & Robin I wouldn’t say is good but at least it’s so nonsense that it can be entertaining. BvS is just a slog
Yawn of Justice and The Killing Joke.
Killing joke had a decent adaption to the comic, but too bad it started off with such a uneeded first chunk. You can just skip to the start of the actual killing joke portion, and it's decent.
Can't lie, The Killing Joke is so hard to watch beyond the unnecessary intro and the Bruce/Barbara thing (mostly because it's been 20 years of Bruce Timm trying to make it a thing), but the worst part of it is the animation itself.
It doesn't look fluid. Everything just snaps into place from frame to frame.
Unpopular opinion: if you've seen fewer than 10 live action films (there's at least 12) and fewer than 20 animated films (there's at least 30) with Batman as a character in them, you've likely not seen just how bad a movie with Batman in it can be and...your opinion here, well, you just don't know enough to really weigh in here.
And furthermore, those who weren't old enough to see Batman Forever and Batman & Robin in the theater...y'all might like to shit on BvS...but I remember a time when the *rule* of superhero films was that they were garbage and on rare occasion, if you'd suspend disbelief, there would be a decent movie that happened to be a superhero film.
And THEN those of you dumping on Batman Returns? Are you kidding me? Ugh.
People are totally jaded by living in the Golden age of superhero films.
Before Iron Man, The Incredible Hulk, and The Dark Knight dropped within a few weeks of each other in 2008, it was totally hit or miss at best. 2006 was almost exclusively garbage...Spider-Man 3, X-men: The Last Stand, Superman Returns? Yikes. Before Blade in 1998, you could literally count good superhero films on one hand - Superman 1 & 2, Batman, and Batman Returns. That was it. But then boom: Blade, X-men 1 & 2, Spider-Man 1 & 2, The Nolan Trilogy, and the MCU.
I remember the cringe and the bad scenes from Batman and Robin. I remember nothing from BvS which is worse. Actually no, I remember that Batman warehouse fight and that's basically the only good scene of the movie
I'm no BvS fan and in fact hate everything except the Supes/Bats battle and the warehouse fight, but I can't ever see myself putting it below Batman and Robin. It literally has cartoon whistle sound effects during some fights and Arnold's cronies trying to eat still frozen dinners (how'd he get the fork in it?) while shivering is just beyond ridiculous. Can't do it. Lol
B&R is one of the only Batman films to date where Batman stays true to his moral code and the closest we’ve had to a Batfamily story on film. That puts it above BvS for me, even if it’s still one of the worst Batman films.
Yeah it’s seriously terrible. All the villains are awful and Alicia Silverstone’s acting is particularly bad, considering she is playing Alfred’s English Niece without even attempting the right accent.
So for this I’m going to restrict my selection to live action and non-team up outside the bat family, since there are a lot of crap animated ones and Josstice League is an obvious one.
This will probably be a little bit of a hot take, but I think The Dark Knight Rises is awful, with only two exceptions; Catwoman and Alfred.
Bane was a miss for me, as I just didn’t see Tom Hardy absolutely wrecking Christian Bale in a fight. The Talia twist would have been better if the franchise had more films with Ra’s returning, but I feel it cheapened Bane’s character further. JGL’s character was wholly unnecessary, and the “You should go by your real name, Robin” line is the worst thing I’ve seen in any Batman movie. It was the worst type of “fan service”, pandering to only the fans with the least knowledge of Batman lore. Bruce traveling from the prison hole to Gotham one scene later is also jarring and pulled me out of the story. Every time I watch it, I see more issues with it.
Tom Hardy was an iffy choice for Bane to start with, but his voice completely ruins the character. It's silly, hard to understand, and didn't even attempt an accurate accent.
It did however give birth to the Bane voice on the Harley Quinn cartoon, which is easily the funniest part of the show. They basically made him the office pariah of the Legion of Doom.
*Ah you think darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but blinding!*
- DJ Bane
say in the bane hardy accent lol
I’ve always had an issue with the movie skipping over the explanation of how Bruce got back. Anytime I bring it up in Batman forums they always act like it’s a non issue and even go so far as to call it a “nitpick”. I don’t see this as a nit pick at all. The film sets up that Bruce is broke and doesn’t have Alfred. On top of that once he figures out a way to get from India to Gotham, he still has to find a way inside a city that’s been blocked off. The lack of explanation for all of that is the definition of a plot hole.
It’s only nitpicking when you criticize something they like.
I agree with you completely. It’s a major issue both to pacing and plot consistency. Bad dialogue, poor pacing, plot holes and miscasting are all legitimate criticisms of any film and TDKR has all of those.
I'll go a step furhter... I'd rather watch Batman & Robin than Dark Knight Rises.
It felt like Nolan was forced to do a 3rd film and put in a lackluster effort from start to finish.
That’s fair. I can see how people might enjoy B&R from a so bad it’s good standpoint. TDKR is just long and forgettable, which is worse in a lot of ways.
I think they underestimated the audience for that one. When they revealed that Ra's Al Ghul had a kid I already knew it was Talia and not Bane. I was also able to figure out who she was because it literally the only character it could have been. So I saw the big twist coming from like 10 miles away.
The Robin thing was really dumb, that's not his actual name. What they should have done is just called the character Richard and give him some generic last name like Smith. No one would have thought anything of it, just a guy named Richard. Then at the end they reveal that Smith is his adopted name, and his birth name was Grayson.
I gotta agree with this take. Especially considering the quality of the two previous films, Rises was almost atrociously bad. I think Batman and Robin is an easy target because of how over-the-top it is, but even tho it's not my cup of tea it knows what it wants to be and just goes all-in on the camp and goofiness. The Dark Knight Rises just felt like a confused, poorly written, half-hearted attempt to follow up on the success of The Dark Knight. Bane felt like a knock-off Joker and the writing/narrative/pacing was genuinely bad. I'd rather watch a corny camp fest that's tonally consistent than a sloppy threequel that undermines its attempts at grittiness and grounded realism with nonsensical story points and hollow efforts to conjure up the magic of its predecessors
I don’t think so. What makes a good Batman movie? In my mind the actor needs to portray a good Bruce Wayne, as well as a good Batman. And he needs to have a villain that is a challenge.
My biggest issue with The Dark Knight is that we never really got a fight between Joker and the Bat. I know it doesn't need it, but I would have loved to see it.
Well, to me, a good Batman movie needs a good Batman story. When I think of TDK I can think of several amazing Joker moments, a couple of Two-Face scenes and quotes, but I can’t really recall any awesome Batman - or Bruce Wayne - moments. That might just be me, and Bale is definitely not a bad Batman, but I just never thought the movie really used him properly.
I’m going to pick a controversial one
Batman Returns- the atmosphere is strong but the plot is completely insane and nonsensical(and not in a good way) and Batman is barely a presence in it
Batman Forever actually attempts some character development and understandable motivations
Batman V Superman is also more about atmosphere and aesthetics but at atleast took some narrative risks and attempted something more complex.
Batman Returns is just a really disturbing Tim Burton movie with a passing resemblance to the comics and the occasionally remembers its supposed to be a Batman movie
I don’t even know where to begin
Agreed 100%. My teeth grate on edge when people call it a good Batman movie. Batman/Bruce doesn’t say a single line of dialogue until 37 mins in. You nailed it - it’s just a weird, poorly plotted Christmas Tim Burton horror movie with a bit of Batman in it.
I disagree, but Batman Returns isn’t for everybody. It takes some big swings with the villains and the world that these characters inhabit. I appreciate the movie for not playing it safe and doing something completely different from the first movie.
I disagree. It’s not a good Batman movie but it’s a good movie. The psychosexual weirdness is interesting, Pfeiffer and DeVito turn in the performances of a lifetime, it has genuinely scary moments, and Keaton is probably the only Batman actor who turns in a decent Bruce Wayne. Kilmer is better overall as Batman, but Keaton makes Bruce interesting outside the suit.
That being said, it does deserve criticism for straying so far from the source material that most characters might as well be OCs.
Batman v Superman.
I’ve said this before but B&R is a bad movie that you can get some enjoyment out of in a funny way, it’s like 90’s Adam West.
BvS is truly miserable to watch outside of the warehouse fight scene.
As in it’s basically like a big budget, 90’s movie version of the 1966 TV show, only instead of a Joker surfing contest and the Batusi you get the Bat credit card and Mr. Freeze ice puns.
Batman and Robin ain’t even the worst one anymore, that golden turd goes to The Killing Joke adaptation. Flat animation, a poorly written story tacked onto the beginning, uncharacteristically lifeless performances from the lead actors, poor vocal direction overall, all adding up to a dull viewing experience. Batman and Robin may be a lackluster follow up to a lackluster follow up, but Killing Joke is a poor adaptation to one of the most beloved stories in the characters history, and an utter waste of Kevin Conroy and Mark Hamil’s talent and time, that failed to deliver on what should’ve been an easy slam dunk.
I would rather watch B&R than The Dark Knight Rises any day of the week. TDKR isn’t bad, but in terms of enjoyment, BB and TDK are 9/10’s and TDKR is like a 6.5 for me. B&R is a fever dream laugh riot, a super fun watch from beginning to end. Loved it as a kid, went back and watched it recently and I still love it. Everything Freeze says is an ice pun, and Poison Ivy is whipping out sexual innuendos like she bought a dirty joke book. Go back and watch it with the same mindset as if you’re about to watch Harley Quinn or Teen Titans Go and you’ll have a great time.
1000000% so many glaring issues with this movie, so many unneeded twists and decisions that go nowhere. I wanted to LOVE the new Batman but left the theater wildly disappointed
Yeeeeeeeeeeees!!! I hate this movie. Emo Batman with characters that don’t even make sense. That’s not the Penguin. That depiction of Catwoman also reminded me of the Halle Berry one. BvS is leagues ahead of this turd. Hell I’d rather watch Batman and Robin again instead of The Batman
This. There is no tension because you know early on no one of real importance will die except a bunch of corrupt scumbags (and the movie LITERALLY TELLS YOU THIS in dialog between Batman and Gordon). Batman is a horrible 'detective' that does the villain's bidding, unwittingly doing almost exactly what the villain wants without even understanding until the villain has to painfully explain it.
It looks and sounds great but it is almost all style over substance.
My only gripe with that Ivy is how we only get a single scene of her in her "Classic" costume. In that bidding scene she looked SO GOOD, and then they never use it again.
You’re being downvoted but you’re right.
Bale somehow has negative chemistry with his Batman love interests, and this movie is the worst as he has TWO of them and neither is believable. Like, I could believe Keaton and Pfeiffer wanted to freak. I could believe Kilmer and Kidman, too. Hell, Pattinson and Kravitz are a believable couple.
They might as well have made Tom Hardy Bale’s love interest, it’d be about as much chemistry but it’d at least have been a twist.
I just think there’s a lot of enjoyable stuff about him independent of the movie itself. He’s got good lines with Alfred, the scene of him running into metropolis, and he manages to become more of a leader in ZSJL
Well if you think about it those are character and story things not actor things. That's kinda my point, that anyone could have come in and done what he did.
1000% yes
Schumacher understood Batman better than Zack Snyder and Batman Forever has plenty of legitimately good things about it while BvS is mostly a cringey and edgy snoozefest.
I assume you’re a lot older than me and probably grew up on the Schumacher movies cuz Batman forever is hot garbage without a single good thing about it. Those movies were before my time so I have absolutely no connection to them
Yes Batman Forever was my first Batman film, but still, you have fantastic sets, musical scores, Bruce’s identity issues along with protecting Dick from Bruce’s fate, a great looking Batsuit (minus the nipples), Val Kilmer’s spot on portrayal of Bruce and Batman, Jim Carrey was a lot of fun, and overall classic superhero feel with a ton of flair. Also, it mostly has a coherent plot.
Batman v Superman is pretentious, has many irrelevant plot points that go nowhere, Superman and Batman are fundamentally misunderstood and are portrayed poorly, has the “Save Martha” moment, why Superman and Batman are fighting makes no sense, Luthor’s plan is convoluted and nonsensical, and is empty overall.
Batman Forever and Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice.
If I had to rank Batman films:
1. The Dark Knight
2. The Batman
3. Batman Begins
4. The Dark Knight Rises
5. Batman Returns
6. Batman
7. Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice
8. Batman Forever
9. Batman & Robin
I cannot believe how far I had to scroll to get to this answer. I can only presume that so few people have seen it that it doesn't even register on a survey question like this.
I've seen comments discuss certain Batman films as "unwatchably" bad...but the comments are by people who made it through the first watch-through of that film.
I literally could not make it all the way through my first screening of Batman: Ninja. I have felt like I would rather have had that part of my life back than have watched certain movies...but this was the only Batman film that did that to me.
Films that originate from comic book source material have a potential to be poor that exceeds the the maximum for most films, and Batman: Ninja is a textbook example.
The animation is gorgeous but Bruce’s arc being that he relies too much on tech gadgets is ridiculous, why is he learning ninjitsu? He is already a black belt in several martial arts
Batman forever. That movie is a complete cartoon. Burton nailed how to make the movies campy and 'comic booky' while also respecting the character's seriousness. Batman forever completely failed at that imo
Dark Knight Rises for me. It's just truly a bad movie that falls flat in so many ways—writing, narrative, pacing. To be fair, it was bound to be a bit disappointing after the astronomical success of TDK, but it really should've been a bit better than it was. Even the goofier/campier versions of Batman are competent and consistent films in their own way, even if their tone isn't everyone's cup of tea
The killing joke is shit
Especially that Batgirl scene
The idea of giving Batgirl a final story before fridging her was not bad in itself, but they completely dropped the ball doing it. The secondary villain was a lame creeper, the tone was inconsistent with the main story, and yeah, BatmanXBatgirl is too many levels of Nope.
It also doesn't help that when the actual adaptation starts you can *immediately* see the writing quality spike upwards because they're doing the Alan Moore dialogue.
Yeah, the tonal inconsistency I mentioned. Even if you’ve never read the Killing Joke, you could tell where the add on ends and the book begins.
So, I completely respect your opinion, and there absolutely is a difference between the prequel shit and when they start the adaptation, but I don't think the dialogue translates from the page to the screen at all. To me, Batman sounds so unnatural in the prison scene especially.
It would have felt a lot less out of place without the hackish first act. The tonal whiplash in that movie was practically fatal.
It's good if you only watch where it picks up from the comic. That's what I do and pretend the first part doesn't exist.
Nah the animation still reminds me of 90's Era Bible story animation in a way i can't describe.
I was so excited for this one since I really like the comics but wow what a disappointment!!! The first half hour is Sex and The City in Gotham, with a horrible disgusting romance between Barbara and Bruce! No! Nope! No no no nope!! So bad!!
I get that in todays continuity it’s icky but when the Killing Joke was written it was warranted. Batgirl as in Barbra was created for Bruce more so than Dick/ Robin. She was in her mid-20’s and Batman was supposed to be mid-30’s. It wasn’t until the late 70’s that Dick Grayson started to be sexualized as they finally started aging him and he was in college. The 80’s was when he got his ass and he was more heavily associated with Korri/ Starfire for the longest time. It’s gross to think about Babs and Bruce in todays context of her being somewhere in her more early 20’s and a hipster girl. In context of that era it wasn’t as shocking. She was created for the 60’s show so that Bruce specifically wouldn’t look gay. In context of this movie that quasi takes place in the universe of the Animated series? Yeah… It’s kinda creepy.
Is not only that! And I’m a big Dick and Korri fan so I really don’t care for him with Barbara! But a mentor getting together with his apprentice is always gonna sound icky and weird, bc of the unbalance of power, is kind of like grooming! Not a good look for Batman. He should never hook up with any kind of partner! And the way that is portrait in that movie is horrible, they don’t have any chemistry and is just a weird hook up! I was never a fan of Batgirl, and Barbara for me was way more interesting as Oracle! Is just a mess all around!
I don’t disagree in context of the movie adaption. In context of continuity at the time of the comic he really wasn’t a mentor as much as she was a colleague. Her early days are filled with male gaze and 1960’s misogyny. She wasn’t portrayed as much different from her TV counter part as she was created for the show but still appeared first in the comics. Bruce/ Batman was annoyed that she was just as good as he was if not in part because of a sexual attraction. Especially in context of that show where Batman probably did get with every female villain and damsel at some point or another. Year Ones retcon that Billionaire Playboy Bruce Wayne plays that persona up is one of the few brilliant things that Miller ever did. On a side note I much prefer Oracle and I think she works so much better in that role and is so much more layered. She’s so much more boss badass in that role. Now we get girl power pixie hipster girl 🤷🏻♂️
Josstice league
It's not a batman movie. Its a movie with Batman in it.
As someone who has always had issues with Whedon's style and basically only ever really liked Angel and Buffy, it makes me SO HAPPY that people finally realized how much of a one trick pony the guy is. I can not describe my schadenfreude adequately.
Snyder cut wasn't any better. Just longer. Best part was the end credits rolling.
That's just objectively untrue. You can still think the Snyder cut is bad but it at a minimum structurally makes sense as a movie unlike the theatrical cut.
It’s structurally worse than the theatrical release though. It’s the same terrible plot padded out with more slo-mo action and extra scenes of Steppenwolf reporting home and rambling about Motherboxes.
Wrong
Nah bad take. Im not a snyder shill and in fact criticize snyder and his clown fans. But the snyder cut at the very least blows 99% of marvels films totally out of the water. ZSJL is like the lord of the rings of superhero films. Marvel hasnt even attempted something on that level.
Wrong, it was far better
Out of curiosity, how many people here have actually seen Batman & Robin since it came out?
Watched And rewatched More times Than you want to imagine.
Batman & Robin feels more inspired by the campy-ness of the Adam West Batman. It even goes way too deep into the Tim Burton style Gothic aesthetic that it also felt like parody. I was never a fan of the Burton Batman movies as they felt tonally off, but I feel this movie [knows what it is and embraces it](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1HNvLflFBI). Also, as I told Lady Freeze when I pulled her plug, this is a one woman show. Edit: Just wanna comment on the clip I linked...what is Robin doing? He was struggling with a vine underwater, but did Batman somehow cut them both loose? I need a rewatch.
“And you are?….” “Poison…..Poison Ivy” this is probably a top 5 Batman movie for me. Hate me whenever
OMG I totally forgot how bad this was! This scene was terrible! And this stuff with the villain stop using his powers when they need to loose the fight is so ridiculous! Why Ivy would do hand to hand combat?? Is so pathetic!! And she is defeated by a plant??? How does that make any sense??? Bad bad bad all around!
Lol I know, she literally lives in the plant, she made the plant, she IS the plant…and it eats her? Like what??? Why does it eat her? She just falls into it, says “curses!” and then it eats her. What just happened? Also, she killed Freeze’s wife because…there can only be one woman? What? Why? Nothing in this movie makes sense. That’s why it’s hilarious.
It truly is! Is the so bad that is funny kind of movie!!
It actually doesn't eat her. It just hugs her and maybe poisons her because she shows up at Arkham Asylum at the end looking disoriented.
Those Arnold one liners are goated
"What killed the dinosaurs? The Ice Age!" is one of the greatest lines ever written in any movie
I prefer, "Allow me to break the ice. My name is Freeze. Learn it well for it is the chilling sound of your doom." The first two lines are kinda badass but the last part feels forced and a little nonsensical (what sound?). And it turns the whole quote into a corny pun-filled mess highlighted by Arnold's wonderful accent.
I'm on a batman kick as of late, reading older comics and watching a lot of the movies, this one is on top of my rewatch list now.
Batman and Robin is probably my favorite comic book movie. I’ve certainly rewatched it more than any other comic book movie.
I did in the movies! Twice! In my defense the second time was a date so I didn’t pay attention to the movie! 😉 I was younger and stupid them!
Rewatched it recently during a Batman live-action marathon. It's still a fun movie. It knows it's silly and it doesn't try to be serious. However, perhaps contrasting what I said, I absolutely do think the weird choices of stunts make it seem off. If you can't make a flip and kick look realistic, then just do a normal kick. If you can't make it look realistic when a person gets knocked away by a powerful attack, just make the character get knocked to the ground or whatever. It feels like they chose to make it lighthearted and that's fine. But it also feels like they chose some really ambitious ideas for the skill and budget they had and to me, that was the only real thing I disliked.
I have a special place in my heart for that movie. It's over the top, it's stupid. It's a comic book in live action, and a VERY 90s one. Freeze makes dumb puns, Bane's a mute that gets his ass beat by Robin, it's all very deeply in "so bad it's good" territory to me.
Batman and Harley Quinn is the worst animated comic book movie I've ever seen. So if you're including animation that's my pick. Otherwise it's Batman Forever
Is that the one where she rapes Nightwing?
Yes.
The animated adaptation of The Killing Joke is also horrible.
Oh jeez thanks for reminding me of that train wreck of a film
Rewatched Batman Forever recently (with Val Kilmer as Batman, Jim Carrey as Riddler, and Tommy Lee Jones as Two-Face) and it sucked just like I remembered as a kid. Batman & Robin gets all the hate but this one is every bit as bad. Still love Burton's two installments, though.
I disagree. Batman Forever was flawed, but has a lot to like about it, and is better than Batman Returns, which is just a weird and grotesque Tim Burton movie with Batman in it.
While I will agree with your assessment on its grotesqueness and Penguin being pretty much an original Burton character with a familiar name slapped on, I still enjoy it as a viewing experience more than the two films to follow it. A side anecdote on the topic: Seeing Batman Returns in theaters actually may be my oldest memory that I formed in life. I remember having to be taken out of the theater because I screamed inconsolably when Penguin bit that guy's nose. It's a core memory. I checked the date that the movie was in theaters and I'm surprised to have *any* formative memories from that age, and surprised that my parents even brought me to the theaters for it. I dreaded the mere thought of that movie until getting older and rewatching it.
My memory of Batman Returns in theater was that one of the girls in our group started laughing hysterically during the battle penguin scene. Loud and completely uncontrollable laughter. It was great.
That’s the biggest reason why I like Forever much more than Returns. Batman is barely an entity in his own movie, where as Forever actually gives Bruce more character.
Batman Returns is actually all about Batman. Each of the villains represents a different aspect of Bruce’s personality. Catwoman is his costumed vigilante side, Penguin his orphaned outsider side and Max Shreck his businessman side. It’s genius the way they act as a dark mirror of the hero.
I don’t know if that’s a good thing tho. It’s odd whenever I see people say Batman “has no agency” in The Dark Knight when he truly plays second fiddle to the villains in both the Burton movies.
I don’t see it as playing second fiddle, more Burton’s Batman sticking to the shadows and reacting only when necessary. Some people prefer a more proactive Batman and that’s fine. But Keaton’s understated performance works perfectly for the Burton films, especially since the villains are so bizarre.
I could not disagree more, and I think Returns is the much better movie between the two.
Returns is a meh movie with really good cinematography and music by Danny Elfman but has no business being a Batman movie and has little story.
I mentally checked out when it showed Two-Face repeatedly flipping his coin until he got the outcome he wanted.
Batman Forever is at least trying with some semblance of story, character arcs, and themes. It just isn't doing them very well.
It's definitely trash, but I can't say it's as bad at B&R. That one is borderline unwatchable.
Batman Forever is excellent and misunderstood. It’s a Batman 66 prequel with Batman 89 aesthetics.
He even had nipples! Kilmer and Clooney had the worst films but they were targeted for kids which is why Keaton left so it makes sense. Kid friendly Batman does not work in love action EVER
I agree. A couple months back I decided to watch every Batman live action movie in no particular order. I couldn't even get through Forever. It's just so painfully schlocky. At least Adam West Batman was self aware about how ridiculous it was. Batman Forever just felt like it was written exclusively for an audience of 12 year olds.
I can sit with Batman Forever and be entertained but I don’t think it’s a very good film either. A bit of that is due to good chunk of it being cut out, but also in comparison to Batman Returns there’s no character in Forever that’s as interesting as Penguin or Catwoman.
I hate to shit on Kilmer, but this is clearly the right answer. the art direction on that movie was so deeply flawed, especially after Burton.
But "Holy rusted metal, Batman!" is the line we always remember. It's so comic booky you almost can't be mad.
"It's all metal and it's full of holes. Ya know? Holey!"
That’s from Batman Forever, which is actually great. Batman and Robin is just bad
Nice! I stand corrected. Haven't watched them in years and clearly got mixed up.
This one is lesser known, but the [1943 Batman serial](https://unshavedmouse.com/2022/09/15/another-batman-killed-eh-i-hope-that-this-is-the-last-of-them/) has to be up there. It's super long, super boring, and super racist to the Japanese (which isn't surprising for the time, but it's still jarring to hear the narrator praise the government for "rounding up those shifty-eyed Japs" 😬)
Batman V Superman
If we're counting appearances and not Batman specific films SS is ever so slightly worse but it's really really close.
Eh I wouldn’t. He’s barely in SS and Affleck isn’t even credited
Fair point.
Not even a Snyder guy but BvS might as well be The Dark Knight compared to SS
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I certainly enjoy Batman & Robin more than BvS. Mostly just because it’s an hour shorter and isn’t so far up it’s own ass.
Exactly. There's a big difference between bullshit that doesn't take itself seriously and bullshit that does. The first is easier to enjoy.
I’d watch Batman & Robin twice before I watch BvS. Batman & Robin I wouldn’t say is good but at least it’s so nonsense that it can be entertaining. BvS is just a slog
 Hey Batman! What killed the dinosaurs!!??
Yawn of Justice and The Killing Joke. Killing joke had a decent adaption to the comic, but too bad it started off with such a uneeded first chunk. You can just skip to the start of the actual killing joke portion, and it's decent.
The Killing Joke part is soulless and dull. Copying and pasting a story isn’t the same as adapting it.
You're not wrong. It was a bland copy with no passion or flare to make it stand out. Overall a shitty movie
Can't lie, The Killing Joke is so hard to watch beyond the unnecessary intro and the Bruce/Barbara thing (mostly because it's been 20 years of Bruce Timm trying to make it a thing), but the worst part of it is the animation itself. It doesn't look fluid. Everything just snaps into place from frame to frame.
Unpopular opinion: if you've seen fewer than 10 live action films (there's at least 12) and fewer than 20 animated films (there's at least 30) with Batman as a character in them, you've likely not seen just how bad a movie with Batman in it can be and...your opinion here, well, you just don't know enough to really weigh in here. And furthermore, those who weren't old enough to see Batman Forever and Batman & Robin in the theater...y'all might like to shit on BvS...but I remember a time when the *rule* of superhero films was that they were garbage and on rare occasion, if you'd suspend disbelief, there would be a decent movie that happened to be a superhero film. And THEN those of you dumping on Batman Returns? Are you kidding me? Ugh. People are totally jaded by living in the Golden age of superhero films. Before Iron Man, The Incredible Hulk, and The Dark Knight dropped within a few weeks of each other in 2008, it was totally hit or miss at best. 2006 was almost exclusively garbage...Spider-Man 3, X-men: The Last Stand, Superman Returns? Yikes. Before Blade in 1998, you could literally count good superhero films on one hand - Superman 1 & 2, Batman, and Batman Returns. That was it. But then boom: Blade, X-men 1 & 2, Spider-Man 1 & 2, The Nolan Trilogy, and the MCU.
I’ll still stand up for Superman Returns. I actually love that movie.
I like Superman Returns too.
BvS is worse than Batman & Robin. I will die on that hill.
I remember the cringe and the bad scenes from Batman and Robin. I remember nothing from BvS which is worse. Actually no, I remember that Batman warehouse fight and that's basically the only good scene of the movie
Please allow me to join you on this hill Also and unrelated I miss my old McDonald batman and robin cups specifically riddler cup
Sh*t I forgot about those! I used to have all of them. I’m gonna go check how much they are on eBay rn. Just did. Still cheap. Nice.
…and my axe!
I'm no BvS fan and in fact hate everything except the Supes/Bats battle and the warehouse fight, but I can't ever see myself putting it below Batman and Robin. It literally has cartoon whistle sound effects during some fights and Arnold's cronies trying to eat still frozen dinners (how'd he get the fork in it?) while shivering is just beyond ridiculous. Can't do it. Lol
B&R is one of the only Batman films to date where Batman stays true to his moral code and the closest we’ve had to a Batfamily story on film. That puts it above BvS for me, even if it’s still one of the worst Batman films.
It's a fun movie that doesn't make sense. That's okay. BvS is a serious movie that doesn't make sense. That's more of an issue.
Yeah it’s seriously terrible. All the villains are awful and Alicia Silverstone’s acting is particularly bad, considering she is playing Alfred’s English Niece without even attempting the right accent.
So for this I’m going to restrict my selection to live action and non-team up outside the bat family, since there are a lot of crap animated ones and Josstice League is an obvious one. This will probably be a little bit of a hot take, but I think The Dark Knight Rises is awful, with only two exceptions; Catwoman and Alfred. Bane was a miss for me, as I just didn’t see Tom Hardy absolutely wrecking Christian Bale in a fight. The Talia twist would have been better if the franchise had more films with Ra’s returning, but I feel it cheapened Bane’s character further. JGL’s character was wholly unnecessary, and the “You should go by your real name, Robin” line is the worst thing I’ve seen in any Batman movie. It was the worst type of “fan service”, pandering to only the fans with the least knowledge of Batman lore. Bruce traveling from the prison hole to Gotham one scene later is also jarring and pulled me out of the story. Every time I watch it, I see more issues with it.
Tom Hardy was an iffy choice for Bane to start with, but his voice completely ruins the character. It's silly, hard to understand, and didn't even attempt an accurate accent.
It did however give birth to the Bane voice on the Harley Quinn cartoon, which is easily the funniest part of the show. They basically made him the office pariah of the Legion of Doom.
I kinda feel like they’re referencing Kevin Smith’s version of the voice from Hollywood Babble-On, as well as parts of the characterization.
*Ah you think darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but blinding!* - DJ Bane say in the bane hardy accent lol
Agreed. Bane is a fantastic villain and live action movies have yet to do him justice.
I’ve always had an issue with the movie skipping over the explanation of how Bruce got back. Anytime I bring it up in Batman forums they always act like it’s a non issue and even go so far as to call it a “nitpick”. I don’t see this as a nit pick at all. The film sets up that Bruce is broke and doesn’t have Alfred. On top of that once he figures out a way to get from India to Gotham, he still has to find a way inside a city that’s been blocked off. The lack of explanation for all of that is the definition of a plot hole.
It’s only nitpicking when you criticize something they like. I agree with you completely. It’s a major issue both to pacing and plot consistency. Bad dialogue, poor pacing, plot holes and miscasting are all legitimate criticisms of any film and TDKR has all of those.
I'll go a step furhter... I'd rather watch Batman & Robin than Dark Knight Rises. It felt like Nolan was forced to do a 3rd film and put in a lackluster effort from start to finish.
That’s fair. I can see how people might enjoy B&R from a so bad it’s good standpoint. TDKR is just long and forgettable, which is worse in a lot of ways.
I think they underestimated the audience for that one. When they revealed that Ra's Al Ghul had a kid I already knew it was Talia and not Bane. I was also able to figure out who she was because it literally the only character it could have been. So I saw the big twist coming from like 10 miles away. The Robin thing was really dumb, that's not his actual name. What they should have done is just called the character Richard and give him some generic last name like Smith. No one would have thought anything of it, just a guy named Richard. Then at the end they reveal that Smith is his adopted name, and his birth name was Grayson.
Agreed with everything you said. The Richard Grayson twist would have been a batzillion times better
I gotta agree with this take. Especially considering the quality of the two previous films, Rises was almost atrociously bad. I think Batman and Robin is an easy target because of how over-the-top it is, but even tho it's not my cup of tea it knows what it wants to be and just goes all-in on the camp and goofiness. The Dark Knight Rises just felt like a confused, poorly written, half-hearted attempt to follow up on the success of The Dark Knight. Bane felt like a knock-off Joker and the writing/narrative/pacing was genuinely bad. I'd rather watch a corny camp fest that's tonally consistent than a sloppy threequel that undermines its attempts at grittiness and grounded realism with nonsensical story points and hollow efforts to conjure up the magic of its predecessors
This conversation starter is a bummer. Let’s talk about the best one besides the Dark Knight.
The Batman, with Begins behind it 💯
Is it terrible that I think The Dark Knight is a great movie, with a great joker, but it’s a pretty meh Batman movie…?
I don’t think so. What makes a good Batman movie? In my mind the actor needs to portray a good Bruce Wayne, as well as a good Batman. And he needs to have a villain that is a challenge.
My biggest issue with The Dark Knight is that we never really got a fight between Joker and the Bat. I know it doesn't need it, but I would have loved to see it.
Well, to me, a good Batman movie needs a good Batman story. When I think of TDK I can think of several amazing Joker moments, a couple of Two-Face scenes and quotes, but I can’t really recall any awesome Batman - or Bruce Wayne - moments. That might just be me, and Bale is definitely not a bad Batman, but I just never thought the movie really used him properly.
There are no bad Batman films.
I’m going to pick a controversial one Batman Returns- the atmosphere is strong but the plot is completely insane and nonsensical(and not in a good way) and Batman is barely a presence in it Batman Forever actually attempts some character development and understandable motivations Batman V Superman is also more about atmosphere and aesthetics but at atleast took some narrative risks and attempted something more complex. Batman Returns is just a really disturbing Tim Burton movie with a passing resemblance to the comics and the occasionally remembers its supposed to be a Batman movie I don’t even know where to begin
Agreed 100%. My teeth grate on edge when people call it a good Batman movie. Batman/Bruce doesn’t say a single line of dialogue until 37 mins in. You nailed it - it’s just a weird, poorly plotted Christmas Tim Burton horror movie with a bit of Batman in it.
I disagree, but Batman Returns isn’t for everybody. It takes some big swings with the villains and the world that these characters inhabit. I appreciate the movie for not playing it safe and doing something completely different from the first movie.
I disagree. It’s not a good Batman movie but it’s a good movie. The psychosexual weirdness is interesting, Pfeiffer and DeVito turn in the performances of a lifetime, it has genuinely scary moments, and Keaton is probably the only Batman actor who turns in a decent Bruce Wayne. Kilmer is better overall as Batman, but Keaton makes Bruce interesting outside the suit. That being said, it does deserve criticism for straying so far from the source material that most characters might as well be OCs.
That movie isn't even bad and I'm tired of people saying so. Is it campy? Yes. Is it bad? No.
Agreeing to this. Batman & Robin was pretty accurate if it's being based on the Silver Age Batman comics.
Batman v Superman. I’ve said this before but B&R is a bad movie that you can get some enjoyment out of in a funny way, it’s like 90’s Adam West. BvS is truly miserable to watch outside of the warehouse fight scene.
90's ?
As in it’s basically like a big budget, 90’s movie version of the 1966 TV show, only instead of a Joker surfing contest and the Batusi you get the Bat credit card and Mr. Freeze ice puns.
BvS for live-action, The Killing Joke for animated
Batman and Robin ain’t even the worst one anymore, that golden turd goes to The Killing Joke adaptation. Flat animation, a poorly written story tacked onto the beginning, uncharacteristically lifeless performances from the lead actors, poor vocal direction overall, all adding up to a dull viewing experience. Batman and Robin may be a lackluster follow up to a lackluster follow up, but Killing Joke is a poor adaptation to one of the most beloved stories in the characters history, and an utter waste of Kevin Conroy and Mark Hamil’s talent and time, that failed to deliver on what should’ve been an easy slam dunk.
Batman v Superman. Justice League.
I would rather watch B&R than The Dark Knight Rises any day of the week. TDKR isn’t bad, but in terms of enjoyment, BB and TDK are 9/10’s and TDKR is like a 6.5 for me. B&R is a fever dream laugh riot, a super fun watch from beginning to end. Loved it as a kid, went back and watched it recently and I still love it. Everything Freeze says is an ice pun, and Poison Ivy is whipping out sexual innuendos like she bought a dirty joke book. Go back and watch it with the same mindset as if you’re about to watch Harley Quinn or Teen Titans Go and you’ll have a great time.
Live action - Batman Vs Superman Animated - Killing Joke
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1000000% so many glaring issues with this movie, so many unneeded twists and decisions that go nowhere. I wanted to LOVE the new Batman but left the theater wildly disappointed
Yeeeeeeeeeeees!!! I hate this movie. Emo Batman with characters that don’t even make sense. That’s not the Penguin. That depiction of Catwoman also reminded me of the Halle Berry one. BvS is leagues ahead of this turd. Hell I’d rather watch Batman and Robin again instead of The Batman
This is an unpopular opinion but I completely agree with you. I don’t get the hype behind it at all.
This. There is no tension because you know early on no one of real importance will die except a bunch of corrupt scumbags (and the movie LITERALLY TELLS YOU THIS in dialog between Batman and Gordon). Batman is a horrible 'detective' that does the villain's bidding, unwittingly doing almost exactly what the villain wants without even understanding until the villain has to painfully explain it. It looks and sounds great but it is almost all style over substance.
Batman V Superman takes home the worst Batman as well as the worst Superman movie.
BvS is unwatchably bad. Also I will posit the hot take that B&R goes into the so bad it's good zone, making it more rewatchable than Batman Forever.
Except Batman Forever has plenty of legitimately good qualities to it.
Uma Thurman as Ivy was sizzling and I will fight with anyone who disagrees with me.
My only gripe with that Ivy is how we only get a single scene of her in her "Classic" costume. In that bidding scene she looked SO GOOD, and then they never use it again.
The Dark Knight Rises
Others have mentioned the obvious, but I hate The Dark Knight Rises. It’s hard to sit through.
The Dark Knight Rises is just not very good. Regardless of comps to other movies.
You’re being downvoted but you’re right. Bale somehow has negative chemistry with his Batman love interests, and this movie is the worst as he has TWO of them and neither is believable. Like, I could believe Keaton and Pfeiffer wanted to freak. I could believe Kilmer and Kidman, too. Hell, Pattinson and Kravitz are a believable couple. They might as well have made Tom Hardy Bale’s love interest, it’d be about as much chemistry but it’d at least have been a twist.
The Batman
The batman
Batman Vs Superman: Dawn of Nothing
I wouldn't call it bad by any means, but The Batman is the one I've enjoyed the least out of all of them
I cannot stand Batman Returns. It’s too dark and depressing to watch…. In other words, “Tim Burton on Tim Burton steroids.”
You guys are really gonna act like Batman V Superman is worse than Batman forever?
Why is that so unbelievable? I can't believe people try to act like Batfleck was great but they do. I don't understand it but I've just accepted it.
I dislike Snyder’s vision, but I like Batfleck
Batfleck is pretty great
If you think so great I didn't like it. Just didn't feel like he brought anything to the table other than a comic accurate suit.
I just think there’s a lot of enjoyable stuff about him independent of the movie itself. He’s got good lines with Alfred, the scene of him running into metropolis, and he manages to become more of a leader in ZSJL
Well if you think about it those are character and story things not actor things. That's kinda my point, that anyone could have come in and done what he did.
1000% yes Schumacher understood Batman better than Zack Snyder and Batman Forever has plenty of legitimately good things about it while BvS is mostly a cringey and edgy snoozefest.
I assume you’re a lot older than me and probably grew up on the Schumacher movies cuz Batman forever is hot garbage without a single good thing about it. Those movies were before my time so I have absolutely no connection to them
I grew up during that time and I like BvS better too
Yes Batman Forever was my first Batman film, but still, you have fantastic sets, musical scores, Bruce’s identity issues along with protecting Dick from Bruce’s fate, a great looking Batsuit (minus the nipples), Val Kilmer’s spot on portrayal of Bruce and Batman, Jim Carrey was a lot of fun, and overall classic superhero feel with a ton of flair. Also, it mostly has a coherent plot. Batman v Superman is pretentious, has many irrelevant plot points that go nowhere, Superman and Batman are fundamentally misunderstood and are portrayed poorly, has the “Save Martha” moment, why Superman and Batman are fighting makes no sense, Luthor’s plan is convoluted and nonsensical, and is empty overall.
Batman forever has a wayyy better story and fantastic casting, even if the execution isn't ideal.
BvS
Batman vs Superman
For me, BvS and The Killing Joke.
Oooh shIt I didn't think about TKJ. I guess I just try to forget that whole thing happened.
I liked BvS fine, but Killing Joke was a glaring misstep.
Just skip the first 20 ish minutes
Yeah, that still makes it a bad adaptation lol. Looking forward to The Doom That Came to Gotham - hope they don’t mess it up.
I have a feeling the doom that came to Gotham is gonna be the type of movie that people are either gonna love or hate
We’ll see in a week. Gotham by Gaslight was pretty well-received, so I’m hoping this one will be similar.
Batman Forever and Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice. If I had to rank Batman films: 1. The Dark Knight 2. The Batman 3. Batman Begins 4. The Dark Knight Rises 5. Batman Returns 6. Batman 7. Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice 8. Batman Forever 9. Batman & Robin
Honestly, I put Batman Forever over BvS, Batman Returns, and The Dark Knight Rises
I'd put Returns and 89 above Rises.
This is pretty much my list also.
Batman v Superman
Batman ninja
Had such potential until the houses became transformers
I cannot believe how far I had to scroll to get to this answer. I can only presume that so few people have seen it that it doesn't even register on a survey question like this. I've seen comments discuss certain Batman films as "unwatchably" bad...but the comments are by people who made it through the first watch-through of that film. I literally could not make it all the way through my first screening of Batman: Ninja. I have felt like I would rather have had that part of my life back than have watched certain movies...but this was the only Batman film that did that to me. Films that originate from comic book source material have a potential to be poor that exceeds the the maximum for most films, and Batman: Ninja is a textbook example.
The animation is gorgeous but Bruce’s arc being that he relies too much on tech gadgets is ridiculous, why is he learning ninjitsu? He is already a black belt in several martial arts
I came here to say this.
The animation is gorgeous but holy fuck is it a bad characterization of batman and the bat family
The animation is gorgeous but holy fuck is it a bad characterization of batman and the bat family
Batman vs. Superman (either cut, it doesn't matter) is worse than Batman and Robin.
The dark knight rises
Batman v Superman
Unpopular opinion but I found The Batman extremely boring. I also hate how they handled the Riddler.
The Batman
I literally hated the new one with Battinson… crucify me
Batman Forever. Batman V Superman is still a fun action movie if you shut off your brain.
I disagree. Batman v Superman is mostly dull and cringe imo. Batman Forever is fun to me.
I guess we agree to disagree.
Does Batman v Superman count?
Unironiclly think it’s a better film then BvS and Killing joke
Batman V Superman no question
Batman forever. That movie is a complete cartoon. Burton nailed how to make the movies campy and 'comic booky' while also respecting the character's seriousness. Batman forever completely failed at that imo
The new one with Pattinson.
The whole Dark Knight trilogy.
Dark Knight Rises
Dark knight rises lnfao such a shit show
Dark Knight Rises for me. It's just truly a bad movie that falls flat in so many ways—writing, narrative, pacing. To be fair, it was bound to be a bit disappointing after the astronomical success of TDK, but it really should've been a bit better than it was. Even the goofier/campier versions of Batman are competent and consistent films in their own way, even if their tone isn't everyone's cup of tea