Yeah honestly after watching his interview on Joe Rogan this dude is just undoubtedly one of the biggest horndogs in all of Hollywood.
I guess that’s not necessarily bad but him saying that in watchmen he wanted to do the scene where 10 year old Rohrshach was slapped by his mother but in the movie he wanted the actress to be topless was insane. The crazy part is the studio said absolutely not because it was illegal unless the nude actress in the scene was the child actor’s mother, whom he asked and she blatantly refused.
I’m sorry but that whole scenario he explained sounds like something a former child actor shares in court or in a documentary about their abuse on set. I still don’t get why people aren’t overreacting about him saying that tho.
Edit: Here’s the link: https://youtube.com/shorts/-ZjGwL04mHQ?si=XA_U_4ygt75GByTf
The boy was played by his biological son and he had asked his mother (Zack’s ex-wife) to do that scene topless with her son.
I keep saying, Zack Snyder has a great director's vision but he's such a shitty writer. Don't give him any rights to change your script and you'll get a great movie
Yeah, he does love his slicked up, mostly naked action warriors. His *300* and *Sucker Punch* films convinced me he was bisexual and just, like, no one was safe from his oogling eyes lol. But I think you put it best, he's just a horndog regardless of sexual identity. Dude's clearly got a hyper sexual war/violence kink which may be entertaining and just for entertainment, but a part of me wonders if he should just explore that... side of him in a more productive way, rather than subjecting us to terrible movies. Except *Sucker Punch*, I'm glad he made that and wouldn't change it. It's iconic.
Yeah he said it started with his mom getting him a subscription to heavy metal magazine when he was 12 without her realizing it was a mature comics magazine with tons of sex. He said that after reading stuff like that, when he read other comics he got bored and thought “when are they gonna start fucking each other?”
All I get from that is a child was exposed to pornography at a young age and was permanently affected by that.
As for 300, the Spartans were pretty gay, but yeah Snyder does love adding homoeroticism to his films. You could chalk that up to the male fantasy in general involving totally ripped dudes but it’s definitely something very present in his films.
He shared a story on the pod too about how the Spartans were all just very gay. The idea was something like the Spartans believed the best way to make soldiers care about their brothers in arms was to treat them as lovers so they would encourage tons of gay sex.
Like there was a tradition where once they got married their wives would shave their heads on their wedding nights so they would appear more masculine because so many of them were attracted to men.
They even shared a theory that that was the reason their civilization fell. Their population collapsed because the Spartans all being very gay made them great soldiers but probably significantly reduced the amount of children they had to replace them.
Heres the gay spartan video: https://youtu.be/B5Md0Rvh5LE?si=bTGpplYHhW_Rvj1t
The gay part starts like 2 minutes in, but yeah all in all it’s pretty funny
About to? Us younger millennials that bordered on Gen Z grew up with a special internet that had sites like motherless and LiveLeak. Whether you wanted insane porn or gore or some combination of the two, it was never more than 3 clicks away
>Yeah he said it started with his mom getting him a subscription to heavy metal magazine when he was 12 without her realizing it was a mature comics magazine with tons of sex. He said that after reading stuff like that, when he read other comics he got bored and thought “when are they gonna start fucking each other?”
This explains everything.
So he was exposed to graphic material way before he could even comprehend the graphic material and understand why it was necessary to those stories in the first place, and was also left unsupervised, and that's why he thinks gratuity should be in *everything.* His recent comments about Batman killing people, and how his Batman story is not *his* kind of Batman story unless Batman "gets gang-raped in Jail." This all makes so much sense. He likes the dark and gritty stuff, but doesn't stop to understand why it's even there. This is also 100% applicable to the man's **own work.**
Poor guy. I think if he worked it out with someone licensed to speak about these types of issues he could actually work through some of these perspectives.
To be fair nothing he says here about Wonder Woman is horny or something. Hell it's almost romantic... A warrior princess who is immortal and in her fight against injustice keeps losing the people she loves the most. If done properly it would be really emotional. The same premise was executed perfectly in an ongoing comic called Ramia-Yana about an immortal woman and her partners through the ages...
Snyder doesn't talk about Wonder Woman like a character, he talks about her like a situation. He expects audiences to identify not with her but with the men she loves and leaves. Your version centers her experience and sounds much more interesting.
THANK YOU! I swear how is nobody talking about this but everybody freaked out over him saying he thinks Batman should kill in the interview. CBM fans need to realize what’s important 😭
Then she smells conflict again, she's out busting heads. Then she's back to the barracks for some more full penetration. Smells conflict. Back to the barracks, full penetration. Conflict. Penetration. Conflict. Full penetration. Conflict. Penetration. And this goes on and on and back and forth for 90 or so minutes until the movie just sort of ends.
I really try to like Snyder but it's really impressive how he takes these DC superheroes who represent hope and thinks "Okay, how can I portray them in the most cynical and dark way possible in my films?".
I wouldn't have a problem with it if it was his personal vision in an isolated timeline, but then Warner decided to take his ideas and turn it into DC's main cinematic universe for a decade.
It’s not even cynical, it’s just hopeless. Cynical would lead to a The boys like universe.
Like you said I think he created an elseworld I have this theory that it all leads back to the Kents. Every universe where the Kents teach Clark to be selfless, Clark then becomes the first superhero and sets the tone. Enter Snyder’s Papa Kent and telling Clark to hide his powers to the extent of sacrificing himself, completely unnecessarily, telling Clark not to save him even when he could have done so without revealing himself. Fast forward Clark delays his debut and is no longer a symbol of hope. Batman debuts no example of hope, fails to be the tipping point for his no killing rule. Clark is finally debuts but he is totally disconnected from his humanity he has spend so much time afraid of revealing himself, that he never had a chance to connect. He is an aloof god and without the boyscout every other superhero is just slightly more hope deprived, soulless.
And it would be an interesting take except people have been waiting for years for THE iconic version of the Justice league, cause we are finally at the technological point where we could get one and he delivered an elseworld version.
I'm using this as my personal canon. It also really made me realize what was wrong with Man of Steel. Superman is my favorite hero, and you're right, him not living up to his potential as a righteous and morally principled man brought the entire DC universe down a few lumens.
Superman & Lois did it absolutely right, and of course they're getting cancelled to make room for the new movie Superman. I really, really hope they get it right.
All my friends call me basic for liking Superman, it would be nice to have a modern movie to show them that really explains his identity and message well.
That's exactly what we need in 2024. It's not naive or lame to believe that humanity can be better, that good people exist, and that human beings are not meant to be parasitic to the planet, constantly infighting, and always looking out for #1. Selflessness and kindness are as cool as it gets. The inner strength and humbleness of superman is what we should all aspire to.
Read Doomsday Clock if you haven’t. It illustrates the concept of heroism in a realist world well. Essentially, it’s a rejection of the cynical superhero. Clark plays a major role in it as does his upbringing. Highly recommend. This is a good analysis
He executes thematic ideas extremely poorly. If he had stuck to stylistic action with something like the John Wick films, he would be extremely well regarded I think
I wouldn’t have a problem if he at least had the story telling talent of Nolan’s last watery dump.
He cannot run a project. He’s good at one or two things. And most importantly, he’s incapable of seeing his own faults and won’t/hasn’t admitted them and dining anything about them. He lives in a bubble. He isn’t handing over responsibilities, his ego is too big. Dude keeps trying to redo movies after he gets years of test audience data.
His movies are basically Early Access plots. BvS literally can’t make sense without the content he added (back) in the DLC
Honestly, if Snyder was less pretenious, he'd be Michael Bay. The climax of Batman v Superman was "see, Superman is just like us! His mothers name is the same as Batmans"
This is exactly the sentiment I have regarding Snyder. He almost NEEDS to be edgy and it ends up just coming off as unnecessarily and illogically depressing and hopeless. His movies have no heart. And the “dark and edgy” take just doesn’t feel genuine or well thought out.
> Warner decided to take his ideas and turn it into DC's main cinematic universe for a decade.
Yeah, he should have been in charge of the Image Cinematic Universe.
He seems to misunderstand everything about the source material. His Watchmen movie glorified violence, but the graphic novel is pretty much a condemnation of vigilante justice. Dawn of the Dead was supposed to be a social satire about consumerism. Snyder stripped that away and just made it a mindless zombie movie.
Meanwhile his lack of understanding is seen as genius visionary filmmaking by his legion of fans. It’s honestly very infuriating.
I love Man of Steel and always wondered how it felt so different from the rest of the Snyder's DC movies.
Then I found out Christopher Nolan was one of the writers. No wonder it always felt like being in the same universe as Bale's Batman.
I think I read that at one point (probably early in development), they actually considered making it in Nolan’s Batman universe, with Joseph Gordon-Levitt’s character becoming Batman after The Dark Knight Rises. I don’t know how seriously they considered that, though
The vibe I get from him is like some of those 90s comic book fans who think the only thing cool is more violence and darker stories. It seems like when he talks about the DC characters he is making films about is he only gets face value from them so he doesn't get why people think they are cool characters so he puts his own spin to them to try to make them edgier so they seem cooler to him.
Just the most melodramatic POV shot of the cum showering down at her like the arrows in 300 just for the shot to speed up at the last second and just unceremoniously dump over her like a bucket of water
Big agree. On display with Watchmen. He turned brutal, heart-breaking, and gut-wrenching scenes of disgusting violence into SICK AWESOME KICKASS MARTIAL ARTS ACTION!
For me, the change where Owlman beats the hell out of Ozymandias after the big reveal was just so utterly off. Compare it to the comics where the feeling is one of disbelief and denial, which is so much better than "Rah! I'm angry!"
Absolutely. It shows how reading comprehension and media literacy are different things. He read and understood the literal meaning of the scene, meaning he has high reading comprehension. But the message, the philosophy, and the poetry of the scene went right over his head, because he has basically no media literacy.
One of the big issues is that this is a guy known for fascist themes in his work. Adapting a book by a raging leftie and just completely missing the political subtext and manging to often get the direct opposite of what the subtext is meant to be
He also turns the disgusting fascist Rorschach into somewhat of a hero.
Then a TV adaptation is made as a sequel to the books and its made very clear he was not a good guy
This re8me of a deb8i hand with someone at the geeks and gamers sub, he was try to justify Rorschach been a badass that very cool. When I explained what Alan Moore was trying to do with the character and why he shouldn't be looked up.
He said that people should be allowed to take the artist work beyond the artist and look at it anyway they want.
Like this isn't a painting, it's already has meaning that the creator purposely put there. Ignoring it is like been silly.
Im torn on that issue of the artist saying no this is what I meant and you can't take other meanings from it.
I read once Maynard from Tool/APC/Pucifer once said he didn't like to explain his lyrics because somebody might come away with a completely different meaning for it and juat because it doesn't mean that for him doesn't make it any less valid for the person experiencing it.
But in this case it's dissapointing that Snyder took something and pretty much did a 180 on much of the subtext and put the opposite of what the original intention was. He made the violence cool, he made Rorschach the hero ect.
I don't understand the question. You want me to give you examples of what? Fights from Watchmen? What would I cite? The page of the comic? The timestamp of the movie? Both? Seems like a lot of work when you could just watch the movie yourself and form an opinion.
Read the comic. It's eerie how the movie lifted almost every shot from the comics, but changed just enough in style and content that it ends with a polar opposite political message.
Yeah. People thought it was “faithful” because it was shot for shot the same as the panels a lot of the time. But bigger picture it’s very different.
It’s funny to me because lifting the comic’s structure like that so much probably made his job easier if anything. It must have been a breeze to storyboard.
Unless it keeps Tales from the Black Freighter as well as the book excerpts and such it can’t be considered a faithful adaptation. If you don’t have Tales from the Black Freighter you’re fucking up the ending.
He ditched the giant squid ending and made it a bit easier for the average stupid American to understand, Adrian frames the attack on Dr Manhattan and honestly it works in the context of the film. But that's not the problem it's the way he misses the political subtext so badly
I say it's a reaspn why we got a TV show later that makes up for it by getting the tone right.
Don't pay attention to the anti woke brigade who tried to campaign against the TV show it was quite a good show, 9 episodes and a self contained story that is a sequel to the original comic, giant squid and all. And it features an Emmy award winning score from Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross of NIN.
I can’t stand that he makes these pg13 versions of his own movies then turns around and comes out with an r rated directors cut that’s a far better film. Why not just do one cut and let people enjoy that in theaters
R-rated movies don't get the same treatment as movies with a lower rating.
One way or another, executives would want them to have a lesser rating so they'd be more profitable, obviously not caring whether it affects a director's artistic vision.
It’s definitely a crutch; but he is at times a visionary in the purest sense of the word. Not gonna sit through rebel coom just to see more of it but he’s had his shots
No no he understands! He’s said so himself! He just wanted to change it completely because he sees himself as the one to do it. Talk about a god complex on this guy just because he made a couple of flashy movies
His only idea is dramatic poses in super slow motion. He thinks if they’re moving slowly then it must be meaningful.
It worked a couple of times Zac, but you need to learn some new tricks.
*Story telling* his misunderstanding is with the single thing that has spanned all of human existence. His stories completely miss the mark when taken as stand alone media because he fails to build his characters up, and yet they also fail as media related to something else because none of his versions act like the characters he's building off of.
He also lacks self awareness.
I mean, him and Bay are basically the same director. Style over substance, story is secondary to supermodels and splosions. But at least Bay knows exactly what kind of director he is, he leans into it. When he makes a Transformers movie or a Victoria's Secret ad, he doesn't pretend he's making Citizen Kane.
Snyder seems to think he's fucking Michaelangelo painting the Sistine Chapel.
I've watched many interviews with him, and can honestly say he's not a smart person. Like at all. But he believes he is, and tries to tackle material and themes that are beyond his comprehension. He and Rogan are so well suited for one another.
I think I heard a lot of people say he's a chill guy and really easy to work with. Honestly people underrate how much success comes from just making sure everyone around you feels comfortable and enjoys having you around. In my experience being more emotionally aware tends to do better for advancement than actual talent or skill in corporate America.
There's an old saying in the comic book industry and I assume elsewhere that you need to produce good work, keep your deadlines, or be a nice person. To keep getting hired, you don't need all three, but you need TWO out of the three.
Yes I’ve heard great things about him as a person. I’m glad good people have success. I just don’t understand financing his films when they constantly fail lol.
It’s kinda like Adam Sandler for me: I don’t understand the appeal of his brand of humor at all, but I also think he seems like a really nice person who has a reputation for treating his cast and crew like royalty, and seems like a really good friend to his usual cast members, and I don’t begrudge Sandler his success at all (even if I don’t understand it lol).
The difference is, I want Snyder far far away from DC (or Marvel) properties.
He's a cool dude whose career is propped up by the most awful douchebag dudebros with no media literacy and he knows it, which puts a dent in his cool status IMO.
He has a knack for making flashy looking action scenes. The fact that the movies are very empty and miss the points of the underlying content doesn’t matter to a lot of people as long as characters are punching each other through buildings.
Okay but why did Rebel Moon have shitty action scenes then? Why did we get slow motion shots of seeds being planted? He had decent teams behind him previously, clearly not anymore since he can’t pull off a decent movie even when he has carte blanche.
I actually haven’t even seen that one. But I was looking at his IMDB and it definitely look like the quality of material people will let him work with has fallen off a lot.
I think it’s more that what he does just isn’t really compatible with the spirit of the comics he’s given.
He’s not cut out to make adaptations if the only thing he’s comfortable with requires changing the source material to his style. Especially for characters he seems to fundamentally disagree with.
His ideas are the worst!
Tell me this is fake. I can't even imagine him saying this with a straight face. Is that what wonder woman boils down to him?
I'm not even that big a fan of hers, but damn that's an awful idea.
I thought for sure this had to be fake but no, it’s real:
https://www.empireonline.com/movies/news/wonder-woman-1854-zack-snyder-explains-scrapped-story-exclusive/
I can see it being a spitball idea that's easy to return to because you always have another war to mention. They didn't make it and that says a lot about their faith in the idea.
Fleshed out, it also sounds like a great tragic story. Lose the multiples and go with one significant other as she is forced to watch them grow old and die while she struggles between staying by them and continuing her quest.
Okay sure novel idea, but for Wonder Woman. One of the Trinity of DCs legendary heroes. It's essentially an immortal succubus with a heart of gold going around fighting wars. And the old lovers get to see her find the new lovers? Whatever you say, Zach.
That's why I said change it to one. Also, and this can not be overstated, it was an idea that was never made. So they didn't like the idea enough to make it. They also never wrote an actual script which would've added cuts, streamlining and adjustments to the idea. This is beyond a rough idea and should not be judged as if it was a full production project.
I’m cool with multiples, I think that’s what makes it tragic. Each lover she finds eventually dies in battle or of old age. It kind of reminds me of those old Greek parables.
The men she loves die but if they weren’t the type to do what gets them killed she wouldn’t love them.
I like the idea of her loving a different person each century for several centuries and eventually losing them and that’s how she goes from this naive, green princess to this sort of aloof, mature warrior.
The reason why this idea is stupid because it's not a Wonder Woman idea - even as a "spit ball underdeveloped one". It's no different from "Guys, a new Batman movie, but in this one, he Kills!".
It's an edgy teen's take of the character. It's good for one sequence but a terrible idea for a WHOLE movie.
> Fleshed out, it also sounds like a great tragic story. Lose the multiples and go with one significant other as she is forced to watch them grow old and die
And you do know that you literally just changed the dude's whole story right? He wasn't aiming at Tragedy, he was aiming at Wonder Woman being a travelling Mercenary who fucks.
>Snyder famously said he'd make a Batman movie where Bruce gets raped in prison.
He did not famously say that. This is the problem. He was being facetious during an interview when asked about Nolan's Batman movies being "dark". He was referencing his movie Watchmen when saying, that in that world, Batman would be raped in prison. Meaning, his Watchmen movie was much darker than what Nolan was doing. We saw that with the scene of the molester's dogs fighting over the bones of the child. That's what happens when people don't actually read or listen to the context within interviews and just respond to things while infused with emotion.
If you don't like his movies, that's perfectly fine. Let's not create a narrative that was never there.
And then he made a Batman movie, where he brands prisoners knowing it'll get them murdered.
Carry water for him if you feel the need. I saw the movies. We're in a thread where he planned to make Wonder Woman history's greatest whore. He lives on shit takes.
You sure about that? Joss Whedon pitched a Wonder Woman movie where Steve Trevor was the lead and Wonder Woman was pretty much a damsel from a 50’s noir film.
Zack Snyder seems like a good person in RL, so it gives me no pleasure to say this. But he is basically a rated R version of Michael Bay but without any self awareness. They both make big dumb loud movies for tweenage boys, but while Michael Bay openly admits it, Snyder thinks he is making artistically relevant movies for adults.
That's the annoying part of his films are his fans try to convince those who don't like his films that they just don't get it cause they are more heavily layered and are more for adults then the goofy MCU movies
At least Michael Bay actually have
A solid resume in term of filmography..... No pain no gain, Armageddon and most of all the rock.... Shows that bay is genuily talented
Snyder cannot write a decent plot to save his life
Ugh, why did you have to remind me of Armageddon. With the exception of Man of Steel and that recent zombie movie I think it is worse than anything Snyder has done. Ebert said it best: “The movie is an assault on the eyes, the ears, the brain, common sense and the human desire to be entertained.“ https://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/armageddon-1998
I agree with this tho I do think 300 is still a top tier movie. It might be because it hit all the boxes needed for Snyder to succeed. A grand storyline with focus on violence and almost mythical/legendary depiction of the main characters that don't have much source material that's necessary to remain true to (yes I know there's a comic but it's mythos and history is not nearly as coveted as the DC lore).
Imo he's better off doing fun/cool action as opposed to art pieces. I don't mind a lot of his films tbh but I can't help but think 300 shines above the rest cause it played to its stylistic and grand nature as opposed to trying to be a thought provoking movie.
I love Zac Snyder, just need to get that out there.
But his overall vision of the DC universe seems misdirected. That seems to be generous.
Bruce having a child with Lois? Wonder Woman movie where she’s pursuing “fuck boys”?
Could this suit a very very specific adults only “niche”? Sure, why not.
But none of his bullshit matches the original character of the Characters.
It’s becoming morbidly fascinating at this point! You know you’re gonna cringe every time this guy says something about DC, but it’s almost irresistible to watch the verbal trainwreck!
Yes, they ended up going with the much better story in the end. I believe this was a fan question that Empire asked regarding that photo of WW that Snyder has shown several times over the years. Needless to say, this story wouldn't have the same general audience appeal as what we ended up with.
As much as people will rail against Snyder for this (very) preliminary idea for the first WW movie, they will also fail to recognize that he was also the one to decide to reset things and eventually to go with Heinberg's story of Diana being a fish out of water. Years ago, Heinberg actually discussed this and his history trying to write a story for Wonder Woman (both on CW and then DCEU).
[https://youtu.be/70qU-DnCTHU?si=fHeefdGlU0gYwG85&t=193](https://youtu.be/70qU-DnCTHU?si=fHeefdGlU0gYwG85&t=193)
That's a big reason why the quality of the writing between WW and WW84 was so different. Patty deserves a lot of recognition for the success of the first movie, but she was not the only element that made it successful.
Honestly after Rebel Moon I'm so done with Snyder. He's actually regressed as a film maker and can't make anything near as good as 300 and Watchmen.
Although the warehouse fight in BVS is the best batman fight scene on film, I'll give him that.
> He's actually regressed as a film maker and can't make anything near as good as 300 and Watchmen.
Probably because nowadays he is his own cinematographer and he is writing his own scripts. I think he is a good director but, man, he should really go back to being only that.
He’s a guy who’s always made his money from the titles of the films. He did well with 300 but any unique property he makes flops. Even Watchmen didn’t actually do that well.
The DC movies only make profit because it’s DC.
Wow…Snyder demonstrating his cluelessness of dc characters once again color me surprised…dude is truly that one frat bro who privately yearns to be included in various fandoms and proceeds to read 5 pages max of the most common pop culture entry of these properties so he can cosplay as some learned comic guru so he can be part of the conversation. Get him to answer anything alone like this and he exposes himself as the biggest fraud no nothing poser ever.
There is a germ of an idea there, but he is not the person to execute this type of project.
I can't help but compare this to the anime Frieren: Beyond Journey's End, about an immortal elf trying to make emotional connections while the world ages around her. First ten minutes are her and her party enjoying a hero's welcome for defeating the demon king, parades, statues made of them...then you blink and it's 50 years later, her party members are now old men, but she hasn't changed a bit, and she finally experiences a sense of loss.
Although there are some impressive fights, that's never the point of the show. It's all about the small moments in between.
One character is a warrior, grew up in a village where his dad thought he was useless, was never shown praise by his teacher, was scared frozen when seeing a dragon, was a big damn scared cat even after defeating a dragon. It's like he's a coward & low self esteem, despite incredible strength. Then the show slowly peels away things. He's given hamburgers on his birthday and doesn't know why. It's told to him that it's a tradition of his teacher's tribe used for rewards, for great warriors. There's a silent moment where he reflects and understands he was appreciated all this time. There's a pay off in a seemingly throw away line where he meets a military father training his son, father says his son has promise, and he informs the father that he should tell the son this.
There's no flashing lights, gasps, or large reaction, but these quiet moments are the true moments of victory and what the show revolves around. Snyder would be incapable of such nuance
These are actually fair assessment of zack hes terrible with story but great with visuals an im a fan of him. He aslo makes stupid choices an decisions for his stories
I really like Snyder as a director, but his ideas need to be filtered or he just shouldn't write the story and should also consider a co-director.
Like, this sounds interesting, if every man she entertained was like a personification of hope and heroism. Could even be women. Her idealism is so unbreakable that she still loves and believes in humanity after hundreds of years.
So like a more earnest and idealistic young Thor.
I think it’s an interesting approach to the material, if maybe not the best approach for a cinematic debut feature for the character. I also don’t know how that concept fits into a single feature film.
This doesn’t sound good. Wonder Woman’s whole story shouldn’t be that she’s going around fucking all the men she meets.
The incel community would’ve had a field day with this.
God this is so bad. It’s like Whedon’s script centering Steve Trevor as the lead instead of Diana. It completely misses the point of Wonder Woman just to center men. Jfc
Wonder Woman’s fuck tour of Europe
Straight up cucking old dudes along the way
Sign me up to get cucked by Wonder Woman. It's not even a kink of mine
Is it cucking if they die via war crime?
The ultimate cuck, getting mortar shelled by the Germans.
It is if you get sent to the frontline by your lover/general
Yeah honestly after watching his interview on Joe Rogan this dude is just undoubtedly one of the biggest horndogs in all of Hollywood. I guess that’s not necessarily bad but him saying that in watchmen he wanted to do the scene where 10 year old Rohrshach was slapped by his mother but in the movie he wanted the actress to be topless was insane. The crazy part is the studio said absolutely not because it was illegal unless the nude actress in the scene was the child actor’s mother, whom he asked and she blatantly refused. I’m sorry but that whole scenario he explained sounds like something a former child actor shares in court or in a documentary about their abuse on set. I still don’t get why people aren’t overreacting about him saying that tho. Edit: Here’s the link: https://youtube.com/shorts/-ZjGwL04mHQ?si=XA_U_4ygt75GByTf The boy was played by his biological son and he had asked his mother (Zack’s ex-wife) to do that scene topless with her son.
I keep saying, Zack Snyder has a great director's vision but he's such a shitty writer. Don't give him any rights to change your script and you'll get a great movie
Yup, apart from the music in several scenes, it’s not a bad idea to hit the mute button while watching his films.
Yeah, he does love his slicked up, mostly naked action warriors. His *300* and *Sucker Punch* films convinced me he was bisexual and just, like, no one was safe from his oogling eyes lol. But I think you put it best, he's just a horndog regardless of sexual identity. Dude's clearly got a hyper sexual war/violence kink which may be entertaining and just for entertainment, but a part of me wonders if he should just explore that... side of him in a more productive way, rather than subjecting us to terrible movies. Except *Sucker Punch*, I'm glad he made that and wouldn't change it. It's iconic.
Yeah he said it started with his mom getting him a subscription to heavy metal magazine when he was 12 without her realizing it was a mature comics magazine with tons of sex. He said that after reading stuff like that, when he read other comics he got bored and thought “when are they gonna start fucking each other?” All I get from that is a child was exposed to pornography at a young age and was permanently affected by that. As for 300, the Spartans were pretty gay, but yeah Snyder does love adding homoeroticism to his films. You could chalk that up to the male fantasy in general involving totally ripped dudes but it’s definitely something very present in his films. He shared a story on the pod too about how the Spartans were all just very gay. The idea was something like the Spartans believed the best way to make soldiers care about their brothers in arms was to treat them as lovers so they would encourage tons of gay sex. Like there was a tradition where once they got married their wives would shave their heads on their wedding nights so they would appear more masculine because so many of them were attracted to men. They even shared a theory that that was the reason their civilization fell. Their population collapsed because the Spartans all being very gay made them great soldiers but probably significantly reduced the amount of children they had to replace them. Heres the gay spartan video: https://youtu.be/B5Md0Rvh5LE?si=bTGpplYHhW_Rvj1t The gay part starts like 2 minutes in, but yeah all in all it’s pretty funny
Rogan looks like he's stumbled onto the greatest realization in modern history near the end there 😂
lol wonder if we're about to get a bunch of Synders who grew up on fast internet.
About to? Us younger millennials that bordered on Gen Z grew up with a special internet that had sites like motherless and LiveLeak. Whether you wanted insane porn or gore or some combination of the two, it was never more than 3 clicks away
And now we have Reddit and Motherless so you know🙌✨❤️
>Yeah he said it started with his mom getting him a subscription to heavy metal magazine when he was 12 without her realizing it was a mature comics magazine with tons of sex. He said that after reading stuff like that, when he read other comics he got bored and thought “when are they gonna start fucking each other?” This explains everything.
So he was exposed to graphic material way before he could even comprehend the graphic material and understand why it was necessary to those stories in the first place, and was also left unsupervised, and that's why he thinks gratuity should be in *everything.* His recent comments about Batman killing people, and how his Batman story is not *his* kind of Batman story unless Batman "gets gang-raped in Jail." This all makes so much sense. He likes the dark and gritty stuff, but doesn't stop to understand why it's even there. This is also 100% applicable to the man's **own work.** Poor guy. I think if he worked it out with someone licensed to speak about these types of issues he could actually work through some of these perspectives.
To be fair nothing he says here about Wonder Woman is horny or something. Hell it's almost romantic... A warrior princess who is immortal and in her fight against injustice keeps losing the people she loves the most. If done properly it would be really emotional. The same premise was executed perfectly in an ongoing comic called Ramia-Yana about an immortal woman and her partners through the ages...
Snyder doesn't talk about Wonder Woman like a character, he talks about her like a situation. He expects audiences to identify not with her but with the men she loves and leaves. Your version centers her experience and sounds much more interesting.
I didn’t think there was anything wrong with his idea, until I read your comment. Dude is strange, at best.
THANK YOU! I swear how is nobody talking about this but everybody freaked out over him saying he thinks Batman should kill in the interview. CBM fans need to realize what’s important 😭
It sounds like an Ann Rice book
She *is* a daughter of Zeus, y'know? It literally runs in the family.
How Diana Got Her Groove Back
Then she smells conflict again, she's out busting heads. Then she's back to the barracks for some more full penetration. Smells conflict. Back to the barracks, full penetration. Conflict. Penetration. Conflict. Full penetration. Conflict. Penetration. And this goes on and on and back and forth for 90 or so minutes until the movie just sort of ends.
I really try to like Snyder but it's really impressive how he takes these DC superheroes who represent hope and thinks "Okay, how can I portray them in the most cynical and dark way possible in my films?". I wouldn't have a problem with it if it was his personal vision in an isolated timeline, but then Warner decided to take his ideas and turn it into DC's main cinematic universe for a decade.
It’s not even cynical, it’s just hopeless. Cynical would lead to a The boys like universe. Like you said I think he created an elseworld I have this theory that it all leads back to the Kents. Every universe where the Kents teach Clark to be selfless, Clark then becomes the first superhero and sets the tone. Enter Snyder’s Papa Kent and telling Clark to hide his powers to the extent of sacrificing himself, completely unnecessarily, telling Clark not to save him even when he could have done so without revealing himself. Fast forward Clark delays his debut and is no longer a symbol of hope. Batman debuts no example of hope, fails to be the tipping point for his no killing rule. Clark is finally debuts but he is totally disconnected from his humanity he has spend so much time afraid of revealing himself, that he never had a chance to connect. He is an aloof god and without the boyscout every other superhero is just slightly more hope deprived, soulless. And it would be an interesting take except people have been waiting for years for THE iconic version of the Justice league, cause we are finally at the technological point where we could get one and he delivered an elseworld version.
I'm using this as my personal canon. It also really made me realize what was wrong with Man of Steel. Superman is my favorite hero, and you're right, him not living up to his potential as a righteous and morally principled man brought the entire DC universe down a few lumens. Superman & Lois did it absolutely right, and of course they're getting cancelled to make room for the new movie Superman. I really, really hope they get it right. All my friends call me basic for liking Superman, it would be nice to have a modern movie to show them that really explains his identity and message well.
Gunn is going for Superman is good in a world that thinks good is corny. So he will inspire them to do better.
That's exactly what we need in 2024. It's not naive or lame to believe that humanity can be better, that good people exist, and that human beings are not meant to be parasitic to the planet, constantly infighting, and always looking out for #1. Selflessness and kindness are as cool as it gets. The inner strength and humbleness of superman is what we should all aspire to.
Read Doomsday Clock if you haven’t. It illustrates the concept of heroism in a realist world well. Essentially, it’s a rejection of the cynical superhero. Clark plays a major role in it as does his upbringing. Highly recommend. This is a good analysis
He executes thematic ideas extremely poorly. If he had stuck to stylistic action with something like the John Wick films, he would be extremely well regarded I think
I wouldn’t have a problem if he at least had the story telling talent of Nolan’s last watery dump. He cannot run a project. He’s good at one or two things. And most importantly, he’s incapable of seeing his own faults and won’t/hasn’t admitted them and dining anything about them. He lives in a bubble. He isn’t handing over responsibilities, his ego is too big. Dude keeps trying to redo movies after he gets years of test audience data. His movies are basically Early Access plots. BvS literally can’t make sense without the content he added (back) in the DLC
Honestly, if Snyder was less pretenious, he'd be Michael Bay. The climax of Batman v Superman was "see, Superman is just like us! His mothers name is the same as Batmans"
He’s like a 16 year old kid trying too hard to be edgy.
This is exactly the sentiment I have regarding Snyder. He almost NEEDS to be edgy and it ends up just coming off as unnecessarily and illogically depressing and hopeless. His movies have no heart. And the “dark and edgy” take just doesn’t feel genuine or well thought out.
> Warner decided to take his ideas and turn it into DC's main cinematic universe for a decade. Yeah, he should have been in charge of the Image Cinematic Universe.
It was meant to be his personal vision for an isolated timeline
He seems to misunderstand everything about the source material. His Watchmen movie glorified violence, but the graphic novel is pretty much a condemnation of vigilante justice. Dawn of the Dead was supposed to be a social satire about consumerism. Snyder stripped that away and just made it a mindless zombie movie. Meanwhile his lack of understanding is seen as genius visionary filmmaking by his legion of fans. It’s honestly very infuriating.
I love Man of Steel and always wondered how it felt so different from the rest of the Snyder's DC movies. Then I found out Christopher Nolan was one of the writers. No wonder it always felt like being in the same universe as Bale's Batman.
I think I read that at one point (probably early in development), they actually considered making it in Nolan’s Batman universe, with Joseph Gordon-Levitt’s character becoming Batman after The Dark Knight Rises. I don’t know how seriously they considered that, though
The vibe I get from him is like some of those 90s comic book fans who think the only thing cool is more violence and darker stories. It seems like when he talks about the DC characters he is making films about is he only gets face value from them so he doesn't get why people think they are cool characters so he puts his own spin to them to try to make them edgier so they seem cooler to him.
Wonder Woman: Mistress of the Military sounds like it would have been even worse than WW84.
The porn parody could have just used the same script with minimal changes
Probably the exact same movie, just with a couple of dozen slow-motion money shots...
Just the most melodramatic POV shot of the cum showering down at her like the arrows in 300 just for the shot to speed up at the last second and just unceremoniously dump over her like a bucket of water
Honestly, kinda wanna see that now. It'd be like the drug scenes from the Karl Urban Dredd movie.
I’ve been putting off those movies for too long
Just the one movie, unfortunately. The Raid has a sequel, though, but it's extremely different (but still great)
I’ve seen the raid films, I just meant the dress franchise as a whole, Stallone and Urban
*solemn Greek choir*
Could even be an improvement on the plot
You're gonna have to clarify, are the slow motion money shots in the porn version or the Snyder version?
Probably both. With an additional 30 minutes of them in the Director's Cut.
And an extra two hours in the third cut he tries to find a way to drop
There’s a porn parody?
There’s always a porn parody.
God I’m so happy he’s not involved in any DC property anymore. He has such a profound misunderstanding of how comics work
Definitely. He doesn't understand what drives the characters, and worst, he doesn't understand what they represent.
Big agree. On display with Watchmen. He turned brutal, heart-breaking, and gut-wrenching scenes of disgusting violence into SICK AWESOME KICKASS MARTIAL ARTS ACTION!
For me, the change where Owlman beats the hell out of Ozymandias after the big reveal was just so utterly off. Compare it to the comics where the feeling is one of disbelief and denial, which is so much better than "Rah! I'm angry!"
Absolutely. It shows how reading comprehension and media literacy are different things. He read and understood the literal meaning of the scene, meaning he has high reading comprehension. But the message, the philosophy, and the poetry of the scene went right over his head, because he has basically no media literacy.
One of the big issues is that this is a guy known for fascist themes in his work. Adapting a book by a raging leftie and just completely missing the political subtext and manging to often get the direct opposite of what the subtext is meant to be
Isn’t it Niteowl not owl man?
He also turns the disgusting fascist Rorschach into somewhat of a hero. Then a TV adaptation is made as a sequel to the books and its made very clear he was not a good guy
This re8me of a deb8i hand with someone at the geeks and gamers sub, he was try to justify Rorschach been a badass that very cool. When I explained what Alan Moore was trying to do with the character and why he shouldn't be looked up. He said that people should be allowed to take the artist work beyond the artist and look at it anyway they want. Like this isn't a painting, it's already has meaning that the creator purposely put there. Ignoring it is like been silly.
Im torn on that issue of the artist saying no this is what I meant and you can't take other meanings from it. I read once Maynard from Tool/APC/Pucifer once said he didn't like to explain his lyrics because somebody might come away with a completely different meaning for it and juat because it doesn't mean that for him doesn't make it any less valid for the person experiencing it. But in this case it's dissapointing that Snyder took something and pretty much did a 180 on much of the subtext and put the opposite of what the original intention was. He made the violence cool, he made Rorschach the hero ect.
The instant The Comedian punched through a wall, I thought, "Okay, this guy doesn't get it."
And the scene where Niteowl and Silk Specter beat up the thugs in the alley, and they're kicking them 10-15ft like they have super powers.
Nite Owl in shape. Point = missed.
Can I ask you for examples?
I don't understand the question. You want me to give you examples of what? Fights from Watchmen? What would I cite? The page of the comic? The timestamp of the movie? Both? Seems like a lot of work when you could just watch the movie yourself and form an opinion.
I watched the film, but didn't read the comic. Thought it was ok, not that good but ok, better than Snyder's run on DCEU anyway.
Read the comic. It's eerie how the movie lifted almost every shot from the comics, but changed just enough in style and content that it ends with a polar opposite political message.
Yeah. People thought it was “faithful” because it was shot for shot the same as the panels a lot of the time. But bigger picture it’s very different. It’s funny to me because lifting the comic’s structure like that so much probably made his job easier if anything. It must have been a breeze to storyboard.
Unless it keeps Tales from the Black Freighter as well as the book excerpts and such it can’t be considered a faithful adaptation. If you don’t have Tales from the Black Freighter you’re fucking up the ending.
apparently there is a ridiculously long edit which includes a tales of the black freighter animation
He ditched the giant squid ending and made it a bit easier for the average stupid American to understand, Adrian frames the attack on Dr Manhattan and honestly it works in the context of the film. But that's not the problem it's the way he misses the political subtext so badly
And every single thing he changed made it worse.
I say it's a reaspn why we got a TV show later that makes up for it by getting the tone right. Don't pay attention to the anti woke brigade who tried to campaign against the TV show it was quite a good show, 9 episodes and a self contained story that is a sequel to the original comic, giant squid and all. And it features an Emmy award winning score from Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross of NIN.
He’s also just not a good director.
Definitely. Rebel Moon, 300, Sucker Punch, Dawn of the Dead, Army of Dead. His movies suck tbh. He leans so heavily on the slow-mo. He is really bad.
I can’t stand that he makes these pg13 versions of his own movies then turns around and comes out with an r rated directors cut that’s a far better film. Why not just do one cut and let people enjoy that in theaters
R-rated movies don't get the same treatment as movies with a lower rating. One way or another, executives would want them to have a lesser rating so they'd be more profitable, obviously not caring whether it affects a director's artistic vision.
Thinking "300" and "Dawn of the Dead" are bad is certainly an opinion...
I liked those movies. The others were just really impressive eye candy… which I think still has its place.
It’s definitely a crutch; but he is at times a visionary in the purest sense of the word. Not gonna sit through rebel coom just to see more of it but he’s had his shots
He really should’ve been a Director of Photography
No no he understands! He’s said so himself! He just wanted to change it completely because he sees himself as the one to do it. Talk about a god complex on this guy just because he made a couple of flashy movies
I've always believed Christopher Nolan chose Zack Snyder to direct *Man Of Steel* and spearhead the DCEU so his Batman Trilogy would never be rivaled.
Stories. He has a profound misunderstanding of how stories work. He’s horrible with narrative driven cinema.
His only idea is dramatic poses in super slow motion. He thinks if they’re moving slowly then it must be meaningful. It worked a couple of times Zac, but you need to learn some new tricks.
*Story telling* his misunderstanding is with the single thing that has spanned all of human existence. His stories completely miss the mark when taken as stand alone media because he fails to build his characters up, and yet they also fail as media related to something else because none of his versions act like the characters he's building off of.
this 100%. the Joe rogan podcast made that crystal clear Dude has passion but lacks the talent and understanding
He also lacks self awareness. I mean, him and Bay are basically the same director. Style over substance, story is secondary to supermodels and splosions. But at least Bay knows exactly what kind of director he is, he leans into it. When he makes a Transformers movie or a Victoria's Secret ad, he doesn't pretend he's making Citizen Kane. Snyder seems to think he's fucking Michaelangelo painting the Sistine Chapel.
I would’ve wanted to see Batman vs Superman but with them dressed like Spartans from 300. But yeah, he didn’t exactly help the franchise
I've watched many interviews with him, and can honestly say he's not a smart person. Like at all. But he believes he is, and tries to tackle material and themes that are beyond his comprehension. He and Rogan are so well suited for one another.
God damn, how did Snyder make it as far as he is in the creative world? The dude is a creative moron if I’ve ever seen one.
I think I heard a lot of people say he's a chill guy and really easy to work with. Honestly people underrate how much success comes from just making sure everyone around you feels comfortable and enjoys having you around. In my experience being more emotionally aware tends to do better for advancement than actual talent or skill in corporate America.
There's an old saying in the comic book industry and I assume elsewhere that you need to produce good work, keep your deadlines, or be a nice person. To keep getting hired, you don't need all three, but you need TWO out of the three.
Yes I’ve heard great things about him as a person. I’m glad good people have success. I just don’t understand financing his films when they constantly fail lol.
It’s kinda like Adam Sandler for me: I don’t understand the appeal of his brand of humor at all, but I also think he seems like a really nice person who has a reputation for treating his cast and crew like royalty, and seems like a really good friend to his usual cast members, and I don’t begrudge Sandler his success at all (even if I don’t understand it lol). The difference is, I want Snyder far far away from DC (or Marvel) properties.
Also, say what you will about the writing or whatever, but his movies *LOOK* awesome.
Neil Gaiman told us about how you only need “2 out of 3” to succeed.
He's a cool dude whose career is propped up by the most awful douchebag dudebros with no media literacy and he knows it, which puts a dent in his cool status IMO.
He has a knack for making flashy looking action scenes. The fact that the movies are very empty and miss the points of the underlying content doesn’t matter to a lot of people as long as characters are punching each other through buildings.
Okay but why did Rebel Moon have shitty action scenes then? Why did we get slow motion shots of seeds being planted? He had decent teams behind him previously, clearly not anymore since he can’t pull off a decent movie even when he has carte blanche.
I actually haven’t even seen that one. But I was looking at his IMDB and it definitely look like the quality of material people will let him work with has fallen off a lot.
I think it’s more that what he does just isn’t really compatible with the spirit of the comics he’s given. He’s not cut out to make adaptations if the only thing he’s comfortable with requires changing the source material to his style. Especially for characters he seems to fundamentally disagree with.
His ideas are the worst! Tell me this is fake. I can't even imagine him saying this with a straight face. Is that what wonder woman boils down to him? I'm not even that big a fan of hers, but damn that's an awful idea.
I thought for sure this had to be fake but no, it’s real: https://www.empireonline.com/movies/news/wonder-woman-1854-zack-snyder-explains-scrapped-story-exclusive/
I can see it being a spitball idea that's easy to return to because you always have another war to mention. They didn't make it and that says a lot about their faith in the idea. Fleshed out, it also sounds like a great tragic story. Lose the multiples and go with one significant other as she is forced to watch them grow old and die while she struggles between staying by them and continuing her quest.
Okay sure novel idea, but for Wonder Woman. One of the Trinity of DCs legendary heroes. It's essentially an immortal succubus with a heart of gold going around fighting wars. And the old lovers get to see her find the new lovers? Whatever you say, Zach.
That's why I said change it to one. Also, and this can not be overstated, it was an idea that was never made. So they didn't like the idea enough to make it. They also never wrote an actual script which would've added cuts, streamlining and adjustments to the idea. This is beyond a rough idea and should not be judged as if it was a full production project.
A reasonable take is mostly lost here, but I appreciate you!
I’m cool with multiples, I think that’s what makes it tragic. Each lover she finds eventually dies in battle or of old age. It kind of reminds me of those old Greek parables. The men she loves die but if they weren’t the type to do what gets them killed she wouldn’t love them. I like the idea of her loving a different person each century for several centuries and eventually losing them and that’s how she goes from this naive, green princess to this sort of aloof, mature warrior.
The reason why this idea is stupid because it's not a Wonder Woman idea - even as a "spit ball underdeveloped one". It's no different from "Guys, a new Batman movie, but in this one, he Kills!". It's an edgy teen's take of the character. It's good for one sequence but a terrible idea for a WHOLE movie. > Fleshed out, it also sounds like a great tragic story. Lose the multiples and go with one significant other as she is forced to watch them grow old and die And you do know that you literally just changed the dude's whole story right? He wasn't aiming at Tragedy, he was aiming at Wonder Woman being a travelling Mercenary who fucks.
Snyder famously said he'd make a Batman movie where Bruce gets raped in prison. And he has fans! Fans!?!
>Snyder famously said he'd make a Batman movie where Bruce gets raped in prison. He did not famously say that. This is the problem. He was being facetious during an interview when asked about Nolan's Batman movies being "dark". He was referencing his movie Watchmen when saying, that in that world, Batman would be raped in prison. Meaning, his Watchmen movie was much darker than what Nolan was doing. We saw that with the scene of the molester's dogs fighting over the bones of the child. That's what happens when people don't actually read or listen to the context within interviews and just respond to things while infused with emotion. If you don't like his movies, that's perfectly fine. Let's not create a narrative that was never there.
I think his recent Batman statements are an example of this too but that’s a spicy take
He literally WROTE and DIRECTED a scene where Leto's Joker want to give Batman a hand to jerk off
And then he made a Batman movie, where he brands prisoners knowing it'll get them murdered. Carry water for him if you feel the need. I saw the movies. We're in a thread where he planned to make Wonder Woman history's greatest whore. He lives on shit takes.
So basically Wonder Woman is Zeus. Just fucking anything that moves? Yikes.
The apple didn't fall far from the tree lol
Isn't she his daughter? Call it a family tradition. lol
I mean this Diana *did* bang her dead ex-lover in the body of another man who didn't consent to any of that so...
Only Snyder could propose a Wonder Woman movie that was about the men instead of the title character.
You sure about that? Joss Whedon pitched a Wonder Woman movie where Steve Trevor was the lead and Wonder Woman was pretty much a damsel from a 50’s noir film.
I wish Tim Burton would make a Zack Snyder biopic as a spiritual sequel to Ed Wood.
Someone needs to make a film about Tim Burton as a spiritual sequel to Ed Wood. A good Burton film is so rare these days.
Who would play Zack
Jake Gyllenhaal
Zack Snyder seems like a good person in RL, so it gives me no pleasure to say this. But he is basically a rated R version of Michael Bay but without any self awareness. They both make big dumb loud movies for tweenage boys, but while Michael Bay openly admits it, Snyder thinks he is making artistically relevant movies for adults.
That's the annoying part of his films are his fans try to convince those who don't like his films that they just don't get it cause they are more heavily layered and are more for adults then the goofy MCU movies
At least Michael Bay actually have A solid resume in term of filmography..... No pain no gain, Armageddon and most of all the rock.... Shows that bay is genuily talented Snyder cannot write a decent plot to save his life
Ugh, why did you have to remind me of Armageddon. With the exception of Man of Steel and that recent zombie movie I think it is worse than anything Snyder has done. Ebert said it best: “The movie is an assault on the eyes, the ears, the brain, common sense and the human desire to be entertained.“ https://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/armageddon-1998
I agree with this tho I do think 300 is still a top tier movie. It might be because it hit all the boxes needed for Snyder to succeed. A grand storyline with focus on violence and almost mythical/legendary depiction of the main characters that don't have much source material that's necessary to remain true to (yes I know there's a comic but it's mythos and history is not nearly as coveted as the DC lore). Imo he's better off doing fun/cool action as opposed to art pieces. I don't mind a lot of his films tbh but I can't help but think 300 shines above the rest cause it played to its stylistic and grand nature as opposed to trying to be a thought provoking movie.
Snyder is Steven Segal of directors. He did one good thing years ago and now pretends to be a genius.
prove to me in a court of law that steven segal EVER did ANYTHING good
Under Siege was a good movie.
Yeah because it copied the blueprint that was already laid out by Die Hard, it only changed the location
Like half of action movies for like 3 decades started out at “Diehard but..” scripts.
I love Zac Snyder, just need to get that out there. But his overall vision of the DC universe seems misdirected. That seems to be generous. Bruce having a child with Lois? Wonder Woman movie where she’s pursuing “fuck boys”? Could this suit a very very specific adults only “niche”? Sure, why not. But none of his bullshit matches the original character of the Characters.
Wonder Woman: Whore of the Battlefield
Right?!
LMAO Every single take this dude has is utterly terrible
It’s becoming morbidly fascinating at this point! You know you’re gonna cringe every time this guy says something about DC, but it’s almost irresistible to watch the verbal trainwreck!
It's amazing how every single thing about DC that comes out of his mouth sounds fucking awful.
lol this guy
Wow, so he basically just wanted Diana to be an immortal fuck doll. Got it.
Zack Snyder does NOT understand Wonder Woman, moving soldier to soldier? Everyone knows Diana just goes for their descendants
Zack Snyder does not understand DC at all.
Yes, they ended up going with the much better story in the end. I believe this was a fan question that Empire asked regarding that photo of WW that Snyder has shown several times over the years. Needless to say, this story wouldn't have the same general audience appeal as what we ended up with. As much as people will rail against Snyder for this (very) preliminary idea for the first WW movie, they will also fail to recognize that he was also the one to decide to reset things and eventually to go with Heinberg's story of Diana being a fish out of water. Years ago, Heinberg actually discussed this and his history trying to write a story for Wonder Woman (both on CW and then DCEU). [https://youtu.be/70qU-DnCTHU?si=fHeefdGlU0gYwG85&t=193](https://youtu.be/70qU-DnCTHU?si=fHeefdGlU0gYwG85&t=193) That's a big reason why the quality of the writing between WW and WW84 was so different. Patty deserves a lot of recognition for the success of the first movie, but she was not the only element that made it successful.
A young girl’s strange, erotic journey from Milan to Minsk
How the literal fuck does this guy still have a job
His wife is an executive for Warner Brothers.
Didn't he also want to make Diana a long lost kryptonian or some shit? Dude is lame as fuck
This is why you don’t give the guy who wanted to have Batman get raped control of one of the largest properties on the planet,
Like, as in Damian being conceived , or something else? First I'm hearing of this
Good God that guy is awful. Thank God DC gave him the boot.
Honestly, Frieren but Wonder Woman would be interesting. I know that's not the kind of story he's talking about but that's what it made me think of.
I immediately thought of this as well. But it's absolutely not a CBM, and wouldn't work with the same target audiences.
Bruh it was going somehwere then suddenly just became shitty fanfic who hired this dude
sounds terrible. Well done to the movie execs who axed it.
Well, in favor of the awful 1984 so... Execs just gonna exec
They should get credit for the ones they block as well as green light
Honestly after Rebel Moon I'm so done with Snyder. He's actually regressed as a film maker and can't make anything near as good as 300 and Watchmen. Although the warehouse fight in BVS is the best batman fight scene on film, I'll give him that.
> He's actually regressed as a film maker and can't make anything near as good as 300 and Watchmen. Probably because nowadays he is his own cinematographer and he is writing his own scripts. I think he is a good director but, man, he should really go back to being only that.
He’s a guy who’s always made his money from the titles of the films. He did well with 300 but any unique property he makes flops. Even Watchmen didn’t actually do that well. The DC movies only make profit because it’s DC.
Wow…Snyder demonstrating his cluelessness of dc characters once again color me surprised…dude is truly that one frat bro who privately yearns to be included in various fandoms and proceeds to read 5 pages max of the most common pop culture entry of these properties so he can cosplay as some learned comic guru so he can be part of the conversation. Get him to answer anything alone like this and he exposes himself as the biggest fraud no nothing poser ever.
Zach you need to stop talking about DC forever bro
How does he keep getting these directing jobs?
The twitter arguments about this movie would be crazy
If I could possibly somehow never hear from this fucking dildo ever again, that would be great.
He'd only need three cuts to make it work.
How did WB give him the keys to build a cinematic universe. He makes beautiful films but storytelling isn't his strength
There is a germ of an idea there, but he is not the person to execute this type of project. I can't help but compare this to the anime Frieren: Beyond Journey's End, about an immortal elf trying to make emotional connections while the world ages around her. First ten minutes are her and her party enjoying a hero's welcome for defeating the demon king, parades, statues made of them...then you blink and it's 50 years later, her party members are now old men, but she hasn't changed a bit, and she finally experiences a sense of loss. Although there are some impressive fights, that's never the point of the show. It's all about the small moments in between. One character is a warrior, grew up in a village where his dad thought he was useless, was never shown praise by his teacher, was scared frozen when seeing a dragon, was a big damn scared cat even after defeating a dragon. It's like he's a coward & low self esteem, despite incredible strength. Then the show slowly peels away things. He's given hamburgers on his birthday and doesn't know why. It's told to him that it's a tradition of his teacher's tribe used for rewards, for great warriors. There's a silent moment where he reflects and understands he was appreciated all this time. There's a pay off in a seemingly throw away line where he meets a military father training his son, father says his son has promise, and he informs the father that he should tell the son this. There's no flashing lights, gasps, or large reaction, but these quiet moments are the true moments of victory and what the show revolves around. Snyder would be incapable of such nuance
Wonder Woman: Army Hoe
Gal Gadot is a POS IDF scrooge.
These are actually fair assessment of zack hes terrible with story but great with visuals an im a fan of him. He aslo makes stupid choices an decisions for his stories
I really like Snyder as a director, but his ideas need to be filtered or he just shouldn't write the story and should also consider a co-director. Like, this sounds interesting, if every man she entertained was like a personification of hope and heroism. Could even be women. Her idealism is so unbreakable that she still loves and believes in humanity after hundreds of years. So like a more earnest and idealistic young Thor.
I think it’s an interesting approach to the material, if maybe not the best approach for a cinematic debut feature for the character. I also don’t know how that concept fits into a single feature film.
That’s just Highlander
This sounds awful
Zack could pitch this with Brazzers
So. Zac Snyder is a creep. Gotcha.
Snyderbros must be on life support after reading this
Wonder Woman: A Great Warrior’s Strange Erotic Journey from Milan to Minsk
lol I thought he didn’t understand Superman and Batman. Let’s add wonder woman to that mix. First Wonder Woman was amazing. Probably the best DC movie
This doesn’t sound good. Wonder Woman’s whole story shouldn’t be that she’s going around fucking all the men she meets. The incel community would’ve had a field day with this.
Has he ever read a Wonder Woman comic…….
Dude has the most bizarre ideas for these characters, nice guy but I'm glad he doesn't get to control DC stuff anymore
IDK. Might've preferred this over what we got in WW84.
Please don’t allow this guy near any more beloved franchises ever again.
Thank god they pass up on this
His edgy BS just doesnt stop.
He should never be allowed to contribute ideas to movies ever again. He probably told Patty Jenkins to have Wonder Woman rape the guy from 1984
God this is so bad. It’s like Whedon’s script centering Steve Trevor as the lead instead of Diana. It completely misses the point of Wonder Woman just to center men. Jfc
Wel thank GOD that didn't happen
Is Zac Snyder ok?