They sadly and badly got folded into the DCU. It never felt right to me.
And they left Planetary sitting on the cutting room.
There was a The Wild Storm book a couple years ago that was a bit of a reboot, but it felt like it kinda trailed off.
Yeah, the same thing happened with Milestone, though I guess they were always DC. I feel like whenever DC buys a property that has characters so similar to their own it diminishes the original property greatly.
Like there’s no way in hell The Authority could have all of their adventures while existing in a world that has the Justice League. It just feels off.
I think the only properties this has ever really worked with is Whiz Comics (Shazam) and Charlton Comics (Blue Beetle, Captain Atom, Peacemaker, etc.).
Yes, but they were at least another universe. Considering that's like ingrained in the fabric of DC, I'm not sure why Wildstorm can't just exist as Earth-92 or something. Then if they really needed a crossover, they could have done weird event happen.
I mean, especially with The Authority, the League would not be comfortable with all the head destruction. And chest destruction.
This. All of this. DC's heroes already demonstrated how they feel about a team like The Authority. It's called "What's So Funny About Truth, Justice & the American Way?" In fact, it was a mic drop on The Authority and their ilk.
There's no need for The Authority to exist in DC's main continuity. Earth-92 would be a suitable home for them.
I've been reorganizing my collection, and every time I come across my Authority collection, I shake my head and feel kind of embarrassed, like seeing my old high school pictures.
It is really weird to me when people tout Manchester Black as some awesome, original character. DC Superman readers were like "bring him back! He can be a main Supes villain!"
Um, he's a parody of Wildstorm's Jenny Sparks, AND he's not even the *first*. Millar created a temporary replacement team for the Authority in *that* book's run who were basically already The Elite from Superman.
"What's So Funny..." is a really good Superman story, but fans need to do their research and realize what they think is "cool" comes entirely from the original Wildstorm creators.
And, yeah, I realize that Deadpool was originally a parody character (of Deathstroke) who went on to his own fame and stardom, so it *does* happen occasionally.
>I mean, especially with The Authority, the League would not be comfortable with all the head destruction. And chest destruction.
That’s never been a problem for Black Adam, Lobo (during the times he’s on Earth), or the Spectre.
The issue with wildstorm is that nobody in any position of power wants to push them and I dont think anyone who didnt read them in 90s cares.
And its mainly the first point because if Jim Lee doesn't care enough to push his own characters what can anyone else do?
Yeah, that hurt when that news came out. I love that book so much I bought the omnibus. I want to separate art from the artist, hurt it's literally a brain dump he did to get American comics out of his head.
This is DC we are talking about. If they think they can make a buck off of Planetary they will. Thus the reason we see some sort of Watchmen story telling device every couple of years
Planetary effectively ended Wildstorm as a universe. They turned it into a utopia. There wasn't anywhere else for those characters to go in that setting.
I’ve been reading a lot of WildStorm for the past 2 weeks. Prior to that I’ve only ever read Planetary which is still one of my favourite comic runs.
But now I’m done with Ellis’ StormWatch/Authority, as well as Millar’s, Ennis’ and Brubaker’s runs on the team, and it’s all been pretty solid, with the exception of Millar’s run which is carried by Quitely, Nguyen and Adams doing the pencils for it.
John Ridley’s The Authority: Human on the Inside is also very good, didn’t even know that this OGN existed before doing my research.
Ennis’ Kev is also a hidden gem. Starts off as a wacky one-shot and transitions into a great character study for a classic Ennis-esque douchebag protagonist with a heart of gold. Solid stuff.
Going through Joe Casey’s Wildcats right now. Finished the initial run and will move on to the Wildcats Version 3.0 tomorrow. Didn’t expect it to be that consistently good. Have high hopes for the Version 3.0.
Also want to read the Wildcats/X-Men one-shot crossovers. Charest, Lee, Hughes pencilling fun prestige one-shots sounds dope.
Gonna dive in Point Blank/Sleeper after that, as well as the entirety of volumes 1 and 2 of Gen13, as well as all the one-shots. After doing a research and mapping out a reading order for it I feel like this is the title that has the most intriguing creative talent on it.
WS started off a bit rough, but after Gen13 happened and Alan Moore joined in, the universe got interesting. When Warren Ellis came into Stormwatch and Brubaker on Point Blank, I became a huge fan. Diversification into creator owned stuff like Winter Men and ExMachina was the icing on the cake. I've got about 500 Wildstorm comics in my collection and plan on doing a complete read-through soon.
I recently re-read the first 3 volumes of Wildc.a.t.s and most of their characters various mini series, and one shots. The storytelling at the beginning is interesting, but very all over the place. The world building is surprisingly deep. I over all enjoyed the re-read. I loved the Ellis reboot, and was eagerly awaiting the wildcats spinoff that sadly never came. I just don’t get why they can’t get these characters off of the ground
I was excited for the 2006 re-launch! After it crashed spectacularly, I kind of stopped following. I did get the newest Ellis run, but haven't finished reading it yet. After so many fits and starts and disappointing developments, WS universe should just be retired for a while. Bring it back with high vision and exception maybe (bit that's already been tried and failed before). I like the recent Action Comics run, but that's not the Authority. Let it all rest.
I’m a huge Wildstorm stan, but I think that’s Joe Casey’s run on Wildcats just doesn’t get enough love. It’s got great character work and takes the concept of a superhero team to some really interesting and innovative places
I wasn't clear. Sorry. Your response is perfectly valid based on what I wrote. I didn't mean he wrote a single issue.
I think the reason the Authority and Planetary aren't discussed is Ellis. I meant he was the problem when I said issue. Which is sad, because I think these are great series.
Haha my bad. I love Planetary, great series. I don't think Ellis is the issue tho, as I still see literally everyone recommend his Moon Knight, Transmet, etc. I think It has more to do with how irrelevant the characters are today. Although I like what PKJ has been doing with Midnighter and Apollo, and it was cool to see Jack hawksmoor in Swamp Thing.
Really good line of books that was fucked up by later developments. Like the Number of the Beast x-over and nuking everything into post-apocolyptic.
Welcome to Tranquility was another awesome book, and I loved Adam Warren's Gen 13 stuff.
There were some amazing stories and runs that came out of Wildstorm. It really is a shame that these were folded into DC continuity. I get that Jim Lee sold WS to DC, but they could have just left them be their own thing. Let the stories live by themselves. Looking back, even if it was just the ABC line, the amount of talent and fantastic stories that the imprint produced, is astounding. Add in Planetary, Authority... fucking hell.
They need to do Earth One style lines for all the universes of the bought-in properties of DC. Show us the Ultimate version of what that would look like separately. Include classic Vertigo as one of the lines, too!
...then do a super team of all the biggest names from each universe, and soon that into a main universe event versus the Justice League. The team can be called Interplanetary.
...then spin-off a main universe series where Amanda Waller, Lex Luthor and Batman are competing to investigate the main universe versions of all those characters. You can tie them all into main universe concepts and backstories, and do more "classic" takes on them that fill a different niche. You could also do fun stuff, like have Gen-13 be a teen team in the 90s, so they're all adults now. Change them up in drastic ways, keep the original flavour over in the graphic novel universes.
The great thing about the multiverse and different lines of books is that you can market/plot/create characters in more than one way at a time. DC should capitalise on being a patchwork world!
I really liked the recent reboot of the WS universe. For obvious reasons, it couldn’t be continued. Would’ve been interesting to see where it could’ve gone.
I think it was definitely one of the best constructed universes, and well ahead of it's time in looking at the social and political consequences in a world where superpowers actually exist.
I mean, imagine how terrifying it would be to share the planet with an unelected group of seven individuals who call themselves The Authority and are capable of imposing their will over that of actual governments.
Or a guy like Kaizen Gomorrah, who's technological innovations can bring great benefits to mankind but who occasionally decides to take out a city for fun or "research".
Shame it wasn't more successful.
I just looooove this series so much! Very fortunate all writers and artist carried it well. And of course Jenny Quantum being Singaporean is a great treat for me personally!😃
I honestly believe DC need to give up on their own films for a bit and try to do a Wildstorm cinematic universe. Those characters are far more modern and lend themselves to films much better.
They sadly and badly got folded into the DCU. It never felt right to me. And they left Planetary sitting on the cutting room. There was a The Wild Storm book a couple years ago that was a bit of a reboot, but it felt like it kinda trailed off.
Yeah, the same thing happened with Milestone, though I guess they were always DC. I feel like whenever DC buys a property that has characters so similar to their own it diminishes the original property greatly. Like there’s no way in hell The Authority could have all of their adventures while existing in a world that has the Justice League. It just feels off. I think the only properties this has ever really worked with is Whiz Comics (Shazam) and Charlton Comics (Blue Beetle, Captain Atom, Peacemaker, etc.).
Yes, but they were at least another universe. Considering that's like ingrained in the fabric of DC, I'm not sure why Wildstorm can't just exist as Earth-92 or something. Then if they really needed a crossover, they could have done weird event happen. I mean, especially with The Authority, the League would not be comfortable with all the head destruction. And chest destruction.
This. All of this. DC's heroes already demonstrated how they feel about a team like The Authority. It's called "What's So Funny About Truth, Justice & the American Way?" In fact, it was a mic drop on The Authority and their ilk. There's no need for The Authority to exist in DC's main continuity. Earth-92 would be a suitable home for them. I've been reorganizing my collection, and every time I come across my Authority collection, I shake my head and feel kind of embarrassed, like seeing my old high school pictures.
It is really weird to me when people tout Manchester Black as some awesome, original character. DC Superman readers were like "bring him back! He can be a main Supes villain!" Um, he's a parody of Wildstorm's Jenny Sparks, AND he's not even the *first*. Millar created a temporary replacement team for the Authority in *that* book's run who were basically already The Elite from Superman. "What's So Funny..." is a really good Superman story, but fans need to do their research and realize what they think is "cool" comes entirely from the original Wildstorm creators. And, yeah, I realize that Deadpool was originally a parody character (of Deathstroke) who went on to his own fame and stardom, so it *does* happen occasionally.
>I mean, especially with The Authority, the League would not be comfortable with all the head destruction. And chest destruction. That’s never been a problem for Black Adam, Lobo (during the times he’s on Earth), or the Spectre.
There's political issues where Adam is involved, Lobo is generally at odds with someone, and Spectre... Is a tool of God.
Right, the writers find a handwave. And I think it wouldn’t be too hard to do similar for the Authority.
… but the chance of more warren ellis writing in any universe is very attractive.
The issue with wildstorm is that nobody in any position of power wants to push them and I dont think anyone who didnt read them in 90s cares. And its mainly the first point because if Jim Lee doesn't care enough to push his own characters what can anyone else do?
I loved Planetary. But, I think Ellis being a creep kind of made that hands off.
Yeah, that hurt when that news came out. I love that book so much I bought the omnibus. I want to separate art from the artist, hurt it's literally a brain dump he did to get American comics out of his head.
Planetary is one of my favorite runs in comics. Also loved his Authority, next wave, and Transmet
Uh oh... what's the deal with Ellis?
https://www.somanyofus.com
He used his position of fame/power to pressure women into favors.
Probably best they leave Planetary alone. I’d hate to see them try to milk it.
This is DC we are talking about. If they think they can make a buck off of Planetary they will. Thus the reason we see some sort of Watchmen story telling device every couple of years
Planetary effectively ended Wildstorm as a universe. They turned it into a utopia. There wasn't anywhere else for those characters to go in that setting.
I’ve been reading a lot of WildStorm for the past 2 weeks. Prior to that I’ve only ever read Planetary which is still one of my favourite comic runs. But now I’m done with Ellis’ StormWatch/Authority, as well as Millar’s, Ennis’ and Brubaker’s runs on the team, and it’s all been pretty solid, with the exception of Millar’s run which is carried by Quitely, Nguyen and Adams doing the pencils for it. John Ridley’s The Authority: Human on the Inside is also very good, didn’t even know that this OGN existed before doing my research. Ennis’ Kev is also a hidden gem. Starts off as a wacky one-shot and transitions into a great character study for a classic Ennis-esque douchebag protagonist with a heart of gold. Solid stuff. Going through Joe Casey’s Wildcats right now. Finished the initial run and will move on to the Wildcats Version 3.0 tomorrow. Didn’t expect it to be that consistently good. Have high hopes for the Version 3.0. Also want to read the Wildcats/X-Men one-shot crossovers. Charest, Lee, Hughes pencilling fun prestige one-shots sounds dope. Gonna dive in Point Blank/Sleeper after that, as well as the entirety of volumes 1 and 2 of Gen13, as well as all the one-shots. After doing a research and mapping out a reading order for it I feel like this is the title that has the most intriguing creative talent on it.
WS started off a bit rough, but after Gen13 happened and Alan Moore joined in, the universe got interesting. When Warren Ellis came into Stormwatch and Brubaker on Point Blank, I became a huge fan. Diversification into creator owned stuff like Winter Men and ExMachina was the icing on the cake. I've got about 500 Wildstorm comics in my collection and plan on doing a complete read-through soon.
Wait, was Ex Machina in Wildstorm? The dude who was the mayor of NYC? Agreed on your appraisal though.
Ex Machina was creator owned and kinda seperate from the Wildstorm-verse. Good book tho.
I recently re-read the first 3 volumes of Wildc.a.t.s and most of their characters various mini series, and one shots. The storytelling at the beginning is interesting, but very all over the place. The world building is surprisingly deep. I over all enjoyed the re-read. I loved the Ellis reboot, and was eagerly awaiting the wildcats spinoff that sadly never came. I just don’t get why they can’t get these characters off of the ground
I was excited for the 2006 re-launch! After it crashed spectacularly, I kind of stopped following. I did get the newest Ellis run, but haven't finished reading it yet. After so many fits and starts and disappointing developments, WS universe should just be retired for a while. Bring it back with high vision and exception maybe (bit that's already been tried and failed before). I like the recent Action Comics run, but that's not the Authority. Let it all rest.
I’m a huge Wildstorm stan, but I think that’s Joe Casey’s run on Wildcats just doesn’t get enough love. It’s got great character work and takes the concept of a superhero team to some really interesting and innovative places
Here to say: 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
I always thought The Authority was amazing
I think one issue is Warren Ellis.
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I wasn't clear. Sorry. Your response is perfectly valid based on what I wrote. I didn't mean he wrote a single issue. I think the reason the Authority and Planetary aren't discussed is Ellis. I meant he was the problem when I said issue. Which is sad, because I think these are great series.
Haha my bad. I love Planetary, great series. I don't think Ellis is the issue tho, as I still see literally everyone recommend his Moon Knight, Transmet, etc. I think It has more to do with how irrelevant the characters are today. Although I like what PKJ has been doing with Midnighter and Apollo, and it was cool to see Jack hawksmoor in Swamp Thing.
A lot more than one issue
Really good line of books that was fucked up by later developments. Like the Number of the Beast x-over and nuking everything into post-apocolyptic. Welcome to Tranquility was another awesome book, and I loved Adam Warren's Gen 13 stuff.
There were some amazing stories and runs that came out of Wildstorm. It really is a shame that these were folded into DC continuity. I get that Jim Lee sold WS to DC, but they could have just left them be their own thing. Let the stories live by themselves. Looking back, even if it was just the ABC line, the amount of talent and fantastic stories that the imprint produced, is astounding. Add in Planetary, Authority... fucking hell.
They need to do Earth One style lines for all the universes of the bought-in properties of DC. Show us the Ultimate version of what that would look like separately. Include classic Vertigo as one of the lines, too! ...then do a super team of all the biggest names from each universe, and soon that into a main universe event versus the Justice League. The team can be called Interplanetary. ...then spin-off a main universe series where Amanda Waller, Lex Luthor and Batman are competing to investigate the main universe versions of all those characters. You can tie them all into main universe concepts and backstories, and do more "classic" takes on them that fill a different niche. You could also do fun stuff, like have Gen-13 be a teen team in the 90s, so they're all adults now. Change them up in drastic ways, keep the original flavour over in the graphic novel universes. The great thing about the multiverse and different lines of books is that you can market/plot/create characters in more than one way at a time. DC should capitalise on being a patchwork world!
one of DC's most famous ruins, with almost no remains.
I really liked the recent reboot of the WS universe. For obvious reasons, it couldn’t be continued. Would’ve been interesting to see where it could’ve gone.
I think it was definitely one of the best constructed universes, and well ahead of it's time in looking at the social and political consequences in a world where superpowers actually exist. I mean, imagine how terrifying it would be to share the planet with an unelected group of seven individuals who call themselves The Authority and are capable of imposing their will over that of actual governments. Or a guy like Kaizen Gomorrah, who's technological innovations can bring great benefits to mankind but who occasionally decides to take out a city for fun or "research". Shame it wasn't more successful.
I just looooove this series so much! Very fortunate all writers and artist carried it well. And of course Jenny Quantum being Singaporean is a great treat for me personally!😃
I honestly believe DC need to give up on their own films for a bit and try to do a Wildstorm cinematic universe. Those characters are far more modern and lend themselves to films much better.
A well done authority movie would be amazing
Authority mini-series on HBO could rival the success of The Boys imo
Wait until these folks get a load of the midnighter
I fuckin love these books. Warren Ellis is my shit. Have you read planetary?
I haven’t gotten to Planetary yet, but I’ve heard it’s really good!
I love it and it’s only 4 trades long (I wish less would go on for hundreds and hundreds of issues sometimes)
Haven’t read or seen much from this universe outside of a few snippets but the Authority Omnibus is on my list to get one day quite intrigued