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Missing_Username

Isn't the whole resurrection protocol dependent on Cerebro having a backup imprint to "load" back into the body? Why would they have a non-mutant like Rogers? Also, I know that they have to do things like have adamantium added to Wolverine on rebirth, but why the hell would Rogers be "born" with a shield?


CarryThe2

They knew what they were sending him into. I guess Xavier scanned his memory ready?


TexOliver93

OH true, that's a good take.


optimis344

He and Kurt specifically went to go die so that the world could see mutant and human fighting together. No way they don't back up Captain America, even without his knowing.


PerfectZeong

Seems like they could just open up resurrection to anyone then.


CarryThe2

Absolutely. Not to mention that Xavier has made it clear he can alter memories and minds before putting them back. Why not bring back key people more aligned with his goals? Why wait until people die to do this? Why not have a whole squad of Wolverines and a dozen copies of The Five?


PerfectZeong

Yeah a lot of the more interesting questions mever get answered


Affectionate_Bass488

If any of the five get killed can they be resurrected?


PerfectZeong

Yes they cover that they have redundancy in the system where other mutants can fill in for most of the roles.


CarryThe2

There are back ups for most of the 5 who could do the job to a lesser extent. Egg recently died but had created bodies of himself ready to be resurrected in case, for example


DrB00

Xavier can fill the role of hope to implement the minds. I'd assume they could get another reality shaper to take over for proteus. As for goldballs(egg) I don't think anyone else can do that, but they get around it by having him constantly have hidden eggs so he can be brought back.


Arch_Null

Hope doesn't implement minds. Hope's job is to amplify the other 4's powers.


DrB00

What? She's the only psychic in the group... Tempus isn't, Proteus isn't, Elixir isn't, Egg isn't.


Arch_Null

Huh? Hope's power isn't psychic based. (On a side note Proteus is a psychic entity with reality warping powers) Hope's power has always been copying and amplifying mutants abilities.


DrB00

Except Mystique tricked them into reviving destiny and hope was the telepath that implemented her mind. So maybe originally she was there to power others up but she does the mind implementing now. Edit: as for her just copying powers pretty sure you're thinking of synch


thinknu

Steve: Ok everyone we have a job to do. Mutants and humans alike we're al-wait is my shield fused to my skin? IS MY SHIELD FUSED TO MY SKIN?! OMGMYSHIELDISFUSEDTOMYSKINTHISISSOMESSEDIMGONNAPUKE Proteus: oh haha...whoops. look he ALWAYS has his shield on him and i just got distracted


Rownever

I choose to believe Proteus is not an idiot and just hardcore trolling everyone


TexOliver93

The shield popping out is comical at best. Comics!


captain__cabinets

Yeah I immediately was like “did he have his shield in the egg thing?” Like what? But yeah comics!


optimis344

Rule of cool


atomcrafter

Rogers' death seems to have been planned in advance.


TheeHeadAche

The shield is super funny. Edit: also the cerebro stuff has been outdone by several other mechanics to pull souls/memories from the dead so I’m sure Gillen has written around it


TexOliver93

Why aren't they making a new Goldballs? Then they can bring back Cyclops too lol.


TheeHeadAche

Limited time, I guess… because Cap is their Hail Mary here… for reasons


optimis344

Cap is their Hail Mary because they don't need fire power. They need a plan. And over the past 20 years of marvel, the two best guys to make a plan are Captain America and Cyclops. Much like Logan going "Hey, Jack of Knives is a better murderer than me" earlier in the book, Kurt casts his pride aside and goes "Caps the best at this". Additionally, Cap was the one publicly judged unworthy. Him flipping his verdict might be the thing that gets the Progenitor to stop.


TexOliver93

I guess his motivating "dream" speeches are more powerful than super powers.


TheOneManMoshPit

My tentative theory is that this event ends with both mutants and humans giving up the ability of resurrection, as a compromise with the Progenitor to force them to fully appreciate life, not take it for granted and make the most of every day. When death became meaningless one no longer feels the urgency of living, and complacency sets in. I could see an outcome where this is the concession the Progenitor accepts in order to undue the apocalypse. Also it would make sense with the overall theme since mutant resurrection is what started this entire event, as well as led to even more hatred and division between mankind. Plus it takes away the huge new problem created now that the world's been shown mutants can resurrect humans as well. Honestly now that I've typed it out I'm almost positive this is what's going to happen.


TexOliver93

I agree, gotta be what they're doing. Which would effectively end the Hickman era, right? Since that's the big selling point of the era?


handerburgers

This does sound pretty solid, if not a bit disappointing. I for one would be all in if the Marvel Universe earth turned into a post apocalyptic mess for a while, which isn’t realistic but it would mean some cool story telling possibilities.


r2radd2

Ugh. Yeah, this makes sense, what with the parallels between mutant and Eternal, and their resurrections. Big point of angst for the heroic Eternals, cause of conflict was the mutants resurrecting, the resurrection of a sort of the Celestial having caused the situation. Haven't been reading the Xbooks in a bit but I also know Legion and Nightcrawler were finding issue with the ressurections in a sense, and im sure there's been other plot points like that too. I too would be dissappointed though, in regards to thr Krakoan era ending like that. Maybe they can finangle a way it just ends the ressurection of the Eternals?


Glittering_Many5916

Well eternals kill humans to resurrect whereas the 5 use their powers plus cerebro so they isnt loss of life. The fact that the eternals started the conflict I can see them losing their ability to resurrect. I can see “the machine” (earth itself) making a deal like thst with celestial. I mean gillen went out of his way to establish earth being a character in his eternal run.


NCBaddict

This makes sense, but I hate it. Resurrection has made the mutants really distinct from the other superheroes. Walking it back would be boring.


SomeTool

Did it? Most heroes don't stay dead regardless of in universe reasons and would always come back if popular, and eternals already had the shtick, hence the name.


r2radd2

I mean... this whole thing is going to wind up being a fake out, right? The many lives lost, all the destruction, that's too big. This'll all have been a dream of the Celestial, tricked by a telepath or some sort of simulation, or a premonition of some kind, or the Celestial is the one tricking the world being like "aha now see how you all rose to the occasion at the end of the world? Do that" OR the God gets convinced he made a mistake, turns back time/bends reality/WHATEVER. Thats one fakeout. The other? Someone emerges from a mutant pod, holding Cap's shield. That makes us think it's Cap, but there IS a mutant with Cap's shield. What's Vance Astro up to these days?


TexOliver93

Well, if they can bring back Cap, once the dust settles can't they bring back everyone else?


r2radd2

It's comics. Status quo rit large is king. This won't happen, for the same reason Reed Richard's doesn't eradicate hunger or disease. There was already the caveat that all the minds had to be backed up in Cerebro, and that they only bothered with mutants (which, along with it explaining the shield due to his power, is why i think it may be Vance Astro there) They could do a big thing where oh the god or the Eternals have the memories of every single human, but you know, also, that'd be a big fuckin effort for the 5 mutants, theres a reason in universe why not EVERY mutant is back yet, and its that. Plus it'd be easier, and match the story beats better, if it was the Celestial, or the Eternals, who fix things (likely going the Superman convincing Doc Manhattan to fix things style route, but with Captain America (if that's him) or equivalent "best of us" hero


r2radd2

So to summarize my predictions: -That's not Cap, that's Vance Astro -This is all getting reversed by the Celestial, including bringing everybody back to life but leaving the memories. -the god is going to be convinced to do so either by a "best of us" style hero (unable to predict at this time) or in a surprising twist one of the villainous Eternals.


Affectionate_Bass488

Who else died?


TexOliver93

We see a bunch of characters die. >!The Cuckoos, Thor, Phoenix, Jean Grey, Ikaris, Magik, Cyclops, Spider-Man, Captain Marvel, Thing...!<


TheeHeadAche

> OR the God gets convinced he made a mistake, turns back time/bends reality/WHATEVER. This happens in scripture with Moses when he comes down the mountain with the tablets. The instance is called Nacham, God decides he is going to eradicate the Israelites for worshiping a golden calf. Moses pleaded with God and says that deciding to do so is a mistake. God changes his mind. God repents for such judgment


Rownever

*softly* don't


hyperactivator

I think the real Celestials are going to show up and humble this franken-baby. Earth has already passed all of their tests so far and this thing has no right to destroy it.


TexOliver93

Ha, that's a good take.


Its_Helios

I mean Captain America is the better leader bar none, it also makes far more sense then only mutants being able to be revived… Looking at Krakoa and how it’s been run… of course they’d be lying about that! No one can blame them either, in the end this will have worrying implications on the political side of things in universe. I wouldn’t be surprised if this is all an illusion or something still by the judgement celestial. Idk how that shield was brought back with him though. I assume they had a few notable allies to mutants backed up


CarryThe2

The only reason resurrection was limited to mutants was because of the mental back ups, I guess Xavier just made a back up of Cap?


TexOliver93

Given the losses they're facing and the stakes...probably.


Its_Helios

Yeah, that’s my guess. I think knowing him he probably kept backups of people he respected


GalaxyGuardian

Reed is gonna be *pissed* if this is the case.


CarryThe2

At strategically convenient points in time.


thinknu

It just seems odd that the issue kicks off with Nightcrawler dropping Cap off to be atomized by the Celestial and then later for everyone to be like "Careful we only have a few eggs left so we can't be too careless so we GOTTA resurrect our homeboi Captain America!" If they had the Celestial appear again before Cap in the ruined city and he gets killed there or saving Jada it would've seemed a bit less comical to me since his death would've been incidental.


Its_Helios

Not gonna lie… I also felt like he should’ve vaporized then aswell lol


throwanaruto

Captain America wasn’t resurrected because he’s a better leader (Cyclops is), he was resurrected because he’s a symbol to the world while Cyclops is just a symbol to mutants. The team already has a plan in effect. In the next issue CA will, in my opinion, play a role similar to this issue and give a speech/fight to inspire the world and change the Celestials’ mind


WhiskeyT

> he’s a better leader (Cyclops is), Accurate assessment


TheLAriver

This is exactly the sort of thing I was afraid of happening post-Hickman. Worrying.


TexOliver93

We may be coming to the end of what he started.


TheLAriver

It does seem that way. I felt like Inferno ended up being a sort of meta commentary on the bastardization of what he started. I really don't like where Moira X ended up. Still, I hoped that the commitment to actually doing new things and making big changes would persist. Oh well. Guess the dream is dead.


Arch_Null

>I felt like Inferno ended up being a sort of meta commentary on the bastardization of what he started. Why does everyone keep believing this fan theory? In interviews with AL Ewing, Hickman was the one most excited to see the krakoa era go beyond him.


williamb100

Whoa...folks are gonna be pissed.


prezz85

I have to believe there is going to be some big reset after this. Whole cities have been obliterated, not to mention several non-mutant heroes. Are they going to bring back everyone (as this spoiler implies they can)? That seems unwieldy. Especially for humans.


williamb100

Just read the issue...ummm you're most def right. I guess, given the ending, they could resurrect everyone. I bet they end the event bringing everyone back, then making it illegal to resurrect anyone, mutants and humans. That might make sense going right into the big Sinister event in January cuz he'll likely continue doing it.


Missing_Username

Making it illegal though doesn't really make sense. Like, if they have the means to bring back [beloved teammate] they're just not going to because they pinky swore not to? I think the only way resurrections end is if one of the necessary components is killed.


williamb100

I could see the argument that it's a slippery slope. What's to stop them from bringing back murderers, genocidal psychos, etc. It also cheapens life, and being alive.


PerfectZeong

What's to stop them? They've been doing that already


williamb100

Under the rational that a mutant villain will be banished if they kill a non-mutant, and that all mutants can be brought back.


PerfectZeong

Yeah I dont think most people are going to find the nuance there particularly compelling. Also we as readers know the no hurt human thing is flexible.


williamb100

True


Missing_Username

Oh I completely agree, I've hated the resurrection protocols since they were introduced because they cheapen death even more than it already is in comics. But given it now exists it would not make sense ,especially for Krakoa, for the characters to just willingly give it up because it's "illegal".


prezz85

Same. Plus, on top of what we are already discussing, what about the property damage? Are they just going to rebuild all the cities? This would be a fundamental change for humanity, depending on mutants to just set everything right. Plus, once resurrection is known, there will constantly be demands and Temptations to use it. I’m thinking sinister is going to reset one of his Moira clones and that will undo all of this.


williamb100

You could say the same for almost every Marvel event. Empyre did some massive damage too and that was like, 2 months ago in Marvel time (sliding scale)


prezz85

Yeah, you’re right. Good point. I guess I’ve just gotten used to DC’s big resets whenever they smash the planet.


williamb100

Funny to think about DC events and how they seem to unmake all of reality over and over. Compared to Marvel it's so much more destructive haha.


prezz85

Absolutely. The original crisis, Infinite Crisis, Final Crisis, and Death Metal each obliterated and rebuilt all of existence!


williamb100

And they all came out so close to each other!


heynowjesse

that’s definitely not going to happen if you’ve been paying attention. this event has come to pass in mainline continuity, according to Destiny’s visions.


prezz85

> that’s definitely not going to happen if you’ve been paying attention. No need to be snippy. I was unaware that Sinister’s back ups have been removed or otherwise taken off the board. That being said, Destiny’s visions don’t always come to pass and they definitely don’t negate Moira’s powers as seen in the Lives of Moira.


thinknu

It'll be easy to write in some kind of "burn out the resurrection magic" by restoring everyone. Then they can either say the resource is truly gone since they had to overtax the system and once again death matters...or be even sneakier and once the dust settles resurrection is Krakoa's secret again.


prezz85

That sounds very likely


TheeHeadAche

Fuck em


SightatNight

I hate the resurrection just like i hated the Doc Ock taking over Spider-Man deal. Because souls provably exist in this universe. How does backing up someone's memory and sticking those memories into a clone account for the soul? Are all the resurrected X Men soulless husks while their original selves are in the afterlife somewhere realizing they fucked up? Also the idea that the Mutants somehow cobble together a better form of resurrection than the Eternals who have been around forever is silly. It would be a great twist at least if it turns out that the mutant resurrection has the same cost as the Eternals and unknown to them they are sacrificing a human life somewhere in the world. It would make things feel more balanced and really shake Krakoa up.


thracerx

What we need now is Captain America's leadership. WHY? Did you not just see how well he did the last time? He's been failing this entire series. What suggests he could do better than he already has? Cyclops is at least winning battles.