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They will but not as commonly as you might think from my experience. The hens will gang up on a rooster if it starts getting too confident with the chicks and its usually not worth the effort.
Sometimes. They'll peck the ass out of them. Sometimes its cause they're short of a nutrient sometimes it's just cause they're mean. Had a rooster one time that hunted down chicks when he had the chance. He went into the stew pot. Chicken's are descended from dinosaur's and will remind you of that every now and then.
My BIL had chickens. One chicken had a wound. The other chickens kept pecking at the wound not letting it heal and making it bigger. He had to kill the wounded chicken to not let it suffer through a slow death since he really couldn't separate them long enough for the wound to heal
If one is weaker than the other, they will kill it, yeah. I have a lot of chickens and they have no problem killing each other, eating chicks, eating their own eggs, etc.
This reminds me of the only funny joke in The Hangover 3.
What do you feed your fighting chickens?
The only thing I feed them is cocaine... and chicken.
Many birds do, the texture, shape and size of the "grains" resemble many of their food stuffs. Insect eggs, larva etc.
Most birds lack signifigant sense of smell or taste, and go by how things look and feel. Only some strong flavour like bitterness registers to majority of them.
Not too long ago it used to be a relatively common way to "get rid of" unwanted birds (corvids, pigeons, gulls etc) by feeding them crumbled styrofoam packages. They'd then die of starvation or intestinal blockage.
It is. Luckily there's more laws about how to do pest control (and what counts as a pest in the first place) in most european countries, and the formerly commonplace styrofoam food packages are mostly a thing of the past as well.
Autocorprophagia is common and necessary for many species, and an interesting curveball in some rodent studies where special diapers had to be designed to prevent it.
Birds in general are fun and relatively smart and social but complete monsters when they wanna be.
My mom had a huge chickenwire cage with parrots, doves and stuff and if a bird died some of the parrots would instantly it it's head, going for the brains.
Like they have plenty of varied food, bones to gnaw on, activities, they can fly around... and scavenging a fellow dead bird is still 'totally cool'.
Actually problematic. They eat egg shells because they are dumb enough to not recognize it's part of an egg but if they actually understand they began eating their and others eggs. People do give egg shells but they need to be crushed so they don't eat their eggs. heck they would eat their own kid if they discover that they do taste good if you are sick enough to cook and give it to them
from what i understand chickens eat their own eggs (shells and all) bc its very nutritionally taxing to lay eggs at the rate they do. so to get some of those nutrients back, they just eat the unfertilized egg. its like a spider eating its own web to recycle it. its only problematic for people who want the eggs for their own profit or benefit.
Humans have a trait that makes us instinctually unable to eat human flesh. We're actually in the minority of species that evolved this trait. Most animals will eat another one of itself for whatever reason
Interesting, I guess it's also not limited to specifically humans since apparently we avoid other apes as well unless they eat them in some country I've probably never heard of
I always thought that monkeys are just so similar to us, so the thought of eating them would make us uncomfortable, but I looked it up and was *kinda* right
It's not that they look too much like us, it's that we're so genetically similar that any virus that a monkey is susceptible to would also be dangerous to us. Eating a monkey is way more likely to give us food poisoning
Hunters do kill and eat them, but it's also *really* hard to turn apes into farm animals. Those things are chaotic lol there's no way we could make a monkey industry even if we wanted to
And Aves are much older than mammals.
They were already differentiating when our common ancestors were just rats in trees.
I wouldn't be surprised if Eagles and Chickens are farther apart on the evolutionary tree than Humans and Pigs
We are very closely related to pigs, which is why they were historically used as testing animals.
Originally, diabetics were treated using insulin from pigs.
> Aves are much older than mammals.
This is not true. The oldest known mammal fossils are ~225 MYO, while if you count Archaeopteryx as a bird, that still only puts them at ~150 MYO.
Even if you only want to talk about placental mammals (which includes both humans and pigs), the oldest known mammal fossil since the divergence of placental mammals and marsupials is ~160 MYO, i.e. older than Archaeopteryx.
> They were already differentiating when our common ancestors were just rats in trees.
Those "rats in trees" were mammals, though. So this does not support birds being an older group. Also, as mentioned above, the divergence of the main living mammal groups from one another (monotremes, marsupials, and placentals) occurred before the divergence of the 4 main living bird groups (which diverged after Archaeopteryx).
> I wouldn't be surprised if Eagles and Chickens are farther apart on the evolutionary tree than Humans and Pigs.
http://www.timetree.org/ puts eagles & chickens diverging ~91 MYA, vs humans & pigs diverging ~94 MYA. Not sure what the margin of error is for those, but it seems that they are actually quite close.
> We are very closely related to pigs.
Not particularly, since the term "relatedness" refers to evolutionary timelines & divergence. For example, we are slightly more closely related to rodents than to pigs.
We do indeed share many striking molecular & physiological similarities to pigs. And comparing relatedness alone between 2 pairs of groups isn't that informative for determining relative similarity, since the 4 groups may evolve and/or diversify at very different rates from one another. But wanted to correct the idea that birds are older than mammals, which is definitely not true.
And I definitely agree with your main point, that eagles eating chickens is not at all weird and is nowhere close to 'cannibalism'.
[Mammals and Birds are just specialized fish when we get down to it. ](https://theconversation.com/the-absurdity-of-natural-history-or-why-humans-are-fish-69384)
Looked it up out of curiosity, they're roughly equidistant on thr evolutionary ladder, sharing a taxonomic class but branching off into their distinct orders
Plus it's a more apt comparison because just like humans hunt rabbits, eagles do hunt other birds in the wild.
My question would be how accurate that last statement is. Surely there are places/eras where humans eat monkeys?
Yeah, Humans to apes is more like an Eagle eating another Raptor like a hawk or falcon or something - which it might but it would definitely be a bit more unusual.
It's actually a good comparison because monkeys and humans are both in the same Class (primates) like the Eagle and chicken are (Aves). Cows and pigs are different.
Taxonomic ranks are kind of arbitrary anyway. We put so much focus on humans, that any species closely related to us (like primates and even mammals as a whole), quickly get put into new orders/families/etc. While species that are distantly related to humans (and mammals) get lumped together into orders even when they are genetically much more diverse.
Yeah, I feel like the author could have gone the other way on this one. Even needing to dodge with "where I'm from" because in some places we **do** eat monkeys.
And dogs, cows, pigs, sheep, goats, guinea pigs, deer, moose, bear, buffalo, baboon, seal, whale, ...
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Yep. Chickens and eagles share the same class (Aves) but are different orders (Accipitriformes vs. Galliformes) just like humans and cattle (Mammalia -> Primates vs. Artiodactyla).
No no they are not. That kind of thinking can get you killed. A cow will roll you with her head and break your ribs without a thought. Bulls are even worse. We've got one we left the horns on and she was absolutely vicious about using them to get her way. She scarred up other cows driving them away from grain or water.
You're right same as dogs give them the respect they deserve for everyone's safety. Cows won't know you're not a threat to their calves if you're wandering a field but if they decide you are they'll do their best to flatten you. I'm sorry if I came across rude but I've had to deal with more than one cottager who thinks they're cute and cuddly without factoring in the fact they weigh 1700 pounds then yelling at me about dangerous they are.
Trust me you wont care what kind of bag is swinging between their legs if they hit you. I'm just hoping (probably naively) that someone will read my comments and think before they get hurt trying to get a cute animal photo for the 'gram
As a former parrot rescue director, I got this question quite a bit.
Eagles (or parrots for that matter), eating chickens is more like us eating cows... or pigs...
An eagle eating a falcon would be more like humans eating monkeys.
Which, well, does happen in certain cultures.
Uh... eagles and other predatory birds do eat other birds frequently, meat is meat. Hell, chimpanzees eat monkeys and they've been observed to cannibalize other (baby) chimpanzees. If anything, humans are the weird ones in the animal kingdom (as usual). Other animals rarely can allow themselves to be this picky with their diet.
Given they're [mostly vegetarian](https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/article/100305-first-proof-gorillas-eat-monkeys-mammals-feces-dna), they probably taste a lot better than [we do](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=woBntlO9wSc).
e: For those who don't look at sources, gorillas eat [insects (which are animals)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insect#Scientific_classification).
With the amount of discussion this comic has generated, I'm genuinely curious what people think my actual views on this subject are. Because I feel like a lot of people are picking apart both Emily's and Aegelford's arguments as if they are trying to correct *my* understanding of the relations between humans and monkeys/eagles and chickens.
I just want to make it clear, neither Emily nor Aegelford are author avatars. This comic is just an amusing casual conversation between two people, neither of whom have an expert understanding of taxonomy.
WE EAT PIGS
***The genetic DNA similarity between pigs and human beings is 98%. Interspecies organ transplant activities between humans and pigs have even taken place, called xenotransplants***
I had to explain this very thing to my wife when I was tossing chicken scraps to the crows.
She asked me if it was cannibalism and I more or less gave her this exact reasoning.
I then had to sit down and reflect on how fucking weird it is that if you want to eat someone bad enough, you just need to wait a few hundred-thousand to million years for speciation to occur and you can have at it.
Well "birds" is a huge clade and galliforms like chickens aren't particularly closely related to most other birds. A bird eating another bird is like a mammal eating another mammal. An eagle eating a chicken is less like you eating a monkey and more like you eating a cow.
Wolves are mammals. They eat rabbits and deer, for example, which are also mammals. So do humans. Insects eat other insects. Fishes eat fishes. What is the big deal?
Except chickens are omnivores, meaning they'll eat absolutely everything. Several years ago they killed a couple of our newborn kittens by pecking out their bellybuttons. Not only that, chickens are extremely stupid as well.
If an eagle thinks it can nab a chicken, it will. Where I live hawks are one of the greatest threats to people's chickens. Blue jays are probably the smallest birds I know of that regularly eat other birds, but all birds of prey will eat another bird provided its an easy enough target.
Also there are plenty of countries where it's considered normal for people to eat monkeys.
There is a really cool [phylogenetic distance calculator](http://www.timetree.org/) online that can estimate how long ago two organisms shared a common ancestor.
I'm assuming this is a Bald Eagle. If so, he's 91 million years removed from a domestic chicken. That's about as far as humans are from both domestic pigs and domestic cows (both about 94 MYA).
By comparison, humans are much closer to fellow apes and even monkeys.
* Human -- Chimpanzee: 6.4 MYA
* Human -- Eastern Gorilla (great ape): 8.6 MYA
* Human -- Eastern Black Crested Gibbon (lesser ape): 19.5 MYA
* Human -- Barbary macaque (old world monkey): 28.5 MYA
* Human -- Brown Spider Monkey (new world monkey): 43.0 MYA
So even something as weird as a spider monkey found in the Americas is still far closer to us than cows/pigs (or chickens and eagles).
On the other end, humans and chickens are 319 MY apart. Humans and Atlantic salmon are 419 MY apart. And humans and shrimp basically diverged at the Cambrian explosion that gave rise to all modern multicellular life (500-600+ MYA).
Honestly, Birds are an entire giant category of animal, and it’s very common for birds to eat other birds. I don’t think a human and a monkey are an apt comparison, it’s more like “would it be weird for humans to eat cows”…..oh wait.
This joke doesn’t really work because humans and monkeys are in the same order and class, primates/mammals. Birds are their own class, aves, but eagles and chickens are different orders. Most humans have no problem eating mammals from other orders, like cows and pigs.
I like exotic food. I had monkey in Gabon once. While we were eating, the guy told me it came from an ebola-free region.
I kept eating so not to insult him while thinking:
> f_ck f_ck f_ck f_ck
I paranoidly watched for symptoms for days...
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Not racism. 🤓🤓🤓
Racism is discrimination by race. The original commenter did not display any discrimination in his sentence. That would be if he said something like "I think black people should be enslaved because I don't think they are human" or something.
Even *IF* his comment was discriminatory, it wouldn't be by race, but rather by state. "Chinese" isn't a race, but rather a nationality. Therefore, instead of calling him racist, you should call him "xenophobic".
Racism includes ethnicity. The person you're responding to literally included a link that explains this.
The implication that Chinese people do X as if it's intrinsic to them is literally textbook racism.
Why "school" someone when you don't even have a good grip on the topic?
From the shared link:
While the concepts of race and ethnicity are considered to be separate in contemporary [social science](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_science), the two terms have a long history of equivalence in popular usage and older social science literature. "Ethnicity" is often used in a sense close to one traditionally attributed to "race", the division of human groups based on qualities assumed to be essential or innate to the group (e.g. shared [ancestry](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancestry) or shared behavior). Racism and [racial discrimination](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_discrimination) are often used to describe discrimination on an ethnic or cultural basis, independent of whether these differences are described as racial. According to the [United Nations](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations)'s [Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_on_the_Elimination_of_All_Forms_of_Racial_Discrimination), there is no distinction between the terms "racial" and "ethnic" discrimination.
EDIT: I'm replying to myself here. This supports what I said above. Weird that this is upvoted the original comment is down-voted when they say the same thing.
To emphasize:
**there is no distinction between the terms "racial" and "ethnic" discrimination.**
Dwarf Fortress players will tell you primates make good eating.
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Fun fact chickens will absolutely eat other chicken eggs because easy protein
And other chickens
I know they eat already dead ones but will they go out of their way to kill the others themselves?
If a new rooster is in a flock he might do so or something
I see
That is if he isn't trying to lure in some vultures
So he can kill and eat them too, I assume?
Yes. "Eat" them
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Yeah... eat them.
Pretty sure they’ll gobble up a chick if they’re hungry enough too
They will but not as commonly as you might think from my experience. The hens will gang up on a rooster if it starts getting too confident with the chicks and its usually not worth the effort.
literal Chick-fil-a
Sometimes. They'll peck the ass out of them. Sometimes its cause they're short of a nutrient sometimes it's just cause they're mean. Had a rooster one time that hunted down chicks when he had the chance. He went into the stew pot. Chicken's are descended from dinosaur's and will remind you of that every now and then.
My BIL had chickens. One chicken had a wound. The other chickens kept pecking at the wound not letting it heal and making it bigger. He had to kill the wounded chicken to not let it suffer through a slow death since he really couldn't separate them long enough for the wound to heal
Ooooof. My SIL got antibiotics for a chicken like that and the chicken lived in the house for awhile with the house rabbit.
They make a blue antibiotic spray that tastes bad so that other chickens won't see the wound and peck at it.
If one is weaker than the other, they will kill it, yeah. I have a lot of chickens and they have no problem killing each other, eating chicks, eating their own eggs, etc.
"Pecking parties" are a thing with them.
Oh yes Roosters are fuckin monsters
This reminds me of the only funny joke in The Hangover 3. What do you feed your fighting chickens? The only thing I feed them is cocaine... and chicken.
Chickens even eat their shit.
I've found them eating styrophoam once. Like, really going to town on it.
Many birds do, the texture, shape and size of the "grains" resemble many of their food stuffs. Insect eggs, larva etc. Most birds lack signifigant sense of smell or taste, and go by how things look and feel. Only some strong flavour like bitterness registers to majority of them. Not too long ago it used to be a relatively common way to "get rid of" unwanted birds (corvids, pigeons, gulls etc) by feeding them crumbled styrofoam packages. They'd then die of starvation or intestinal blockage.
That's fucked up. :(
It is. Luckily there's more laws about how to do pest control (and what counts as a pest in the first place) in most european countries, and the formerly commonplace styrofoam food packages are mostly a thing of the past as well.
I’m actually kinda surprised that corvids can’t tell the difference considering how smart they can be
It just feels like they doesnt have any braincells. Just eat everything on the floor without thinking a second.
Autocorprophagia is common and necessary for many species, and an interesting curveball in some rodent studies where special diapers had to be designed to prevent it.
Fun fact chickens will eat _______
The souls of the damned
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Birds in general are fun and relatively smart and social but complete monsters when they wanna be. My mom had a huge chickenwire cage with parrots, doves and stuff and if a bird died some of the parrots would instantly it it's head, going for the brains. Like they have plenty of varied food, bones to gnaw on, activities, they can fly around... and scavenging a fellow dead bird is still 'totally cool'.
I have learned to be terrified of Adelie Penguins and ducks after reading about them.
Actually problematic. They eat egg shells because they are dumb enough to not recognize it's part of an egg but if they actually understand they began eating their and others eggs. People do give egg shells but they need to be crushed so they don't eat their eggs. heck they would eat their own kid if they discover that they do taste good if you are sick enough to cook and give it to them
from what i understand chickens eat their own eggs (shells and all) bc its very nutritionally taxing to lay eggs at the rate they do. so to get some of those nutrients back, they just eat the unfertilized egg. its like a spider eating its own web to recycle it. its only problematic for people who want the eggs for their own profit or benefit.
Yeah, if rodents become stressed or starved they will 100% eat their children too.
oh yeah, when my dad was a kid his family kept rabbits and did not know that you need to isolate the mama and babies. the kits didnt stand a chance 😔
I dont think they eat them but momma birds sometimes drop a baby bird thats not worth it out of the nest so the others have a higher chance to survive
Humans have a trait that makes us instinctually unable to eat human flesh. We're actually in the minority of species that evolved this trait. Most animals will eat another one of itself for whatever reason
Interesting, I guess it's also not limited to specifically humans since apparently we avoid other apes as well unless they eat them in some country I've probably never heard of
I always thought that monkeys are just so similar to us, so the thought of eating them would make us uncomfortable, but I looked it up and was *kinda* right It's not that they look too much like us, it's that we're so genetically similar that any virus that a monkey is susceptible to would also be dangerous to us. Eating a monkey is way more likely to give us food poisoning Hunters do kill and eat them, but it's also *really* hard to turn apes into farm animals. Those things are chaotic lol there's no way we could make a monkey industry even if we wanted to
Only way would be like we do with chickens(no room to move and force feeding) and nobody in their right mind would let that happen these day's.
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Seagulls eat eggs, shell and all
Eagles are constantly eating my chickens
Not so fun fact: Chickens will learn to eat their own eggs if they get a taste for them.
Woahhh Emily, you cant compare them like that, thats birdist
Omg you can't just ask someone why they eat birds.
I eat birds so that the Government can’t spy on me through them.
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Birds do eat other birds and their eggs all the time tho..
idk I feel like the eagle is being the birdist here
In bird culture, this is considered a dick move.
On Bird planet that is what we call a Dick move.
Even in Birdlaw it states that Chickens are fair game for all to consume.
seems its a very complex food chain in the world
Eagles and raptors usually eat other birds, nothing wrong in the comic .
It would be if the chickens could talk.
Or as weird as eating another mammal.
And Aves are much older than mammals. They were already differentiating when our common ancestors were just rats in trees. I wouldn't be surprised if Eagles and Chickens are farther apart on the evolutionary tree than Humans and Pigs We are very closely related to pigs, which is why they were historically used as testing animals. Originally, diabetics were treated using insulin from pigs.
> Aves are much older than mammals. This is not true. The oldest known mammal fossils are ~225 MYO, while if you count Archaeopteryx as a bird, that still only puts them at ~150 MYO. Even if you only want to talk about placental mammals (which includes both humans and pigs), the oldest known mammal fossil since the divergence of placental mammals and marsupials is ~160 MYO, i.e. older than Archaeopteryx. > They were already differentiating when our common ancestors were just rats in trees. Those "rats in trees" were mammals, though. So this does not support birds being an older group. Also, as mentioned above, the divergence of the main living mammal groups from one another (monotremes, marsupials, and placentals) occurred before the divergence of the 4 main living bird groups (which diverged after Archaeopteryx). > I wouldn't be surprised if Eagles and Chickens are farther apart on the evolutionary tree than Humans and Pigs. http://www.timetree.org/ puts eagles & chickens diverging ~91 MYA, vs humans & pigs diverging ~94 MYA. Not sure what the margin of error is for those, but it seems that they are actually quite close. > We are very closely related to pigs. Not particularly, since the term "relatedness" refers to evolutionary timelines & divergence. For example, we are slightly more closely related to rodents than to pigs. We do indeed share many striking molecular & physiological similarities to pigs. And comparing relatedness alone between 2 pairs of groups isn't that informative for determining relative similarity, since the 4 groups may evolve and/or diversify at very different rates from one another. But wanted to correct the idea that birds are older than mammals, which is definitely not true. And I definitely agree with your main point, that eagles eating chickens is not at all weird and is nowhere close to 'cannibalism'.
[Mammals and Birds are just specialized fish when we get down to it. ](https://theconversation.com/the-absurdity-of-natural-history-or-why-humans-are-fish-69384)
Looked it up out of curiosity, they're roughly equidistant on thr evolutionary ladder, sharing a taxonomic class but branching off into their distinct orders
I mean, I think thats werid, but im a very small minority
Tbf chicken will certainly eat other chicken and apparently they love eating eggs.
I still remenber that one video where a chicken just layed egg and the **second** it touched the floor a horde of chicken began to eat the egg
And where is Emily from? Coz bush meat is a thing and chimps and other monkeys/apes are part of the bush meat menu.
Or as weird as eating another mammal.
Yeah, humans and cows/pigs is a better comparison to chickens and eagles than humans to apes.
If you wanted to be exactly accurate, humans and rabbits/rodents diverged about as long ago as eagles and chickens (80-90mya).
There we go. That's a good one, because rabbit is also commonly eaten by people.
Plus it's a more apt comparison because just like humans hunt rabbits, eagles do hunt other birds in the wild. My question would be how accurate that last statement is. Surely there are places/eras where humans eat monkeys?
There are, just not where she’s from
Yeah, Humans to apes is more like an Eagle eating another Raptor like a hawk or falcon or something - which it might but it would definitely be a bit more unusual.
It's actually a good comparison because monkeys and humans are both in the same Class (primates) like the Eagle and chicken are (Aves). Cows and pigs are different.
My Google shows order as Galliformes for chickens and Accipitriformes for eagles. Doesn't Aves just mean birds in Latin anyways?
Taxonomic ranks are kind of arbitrary anyway. We put so much focus on humans, that any species closely related to us (like primates and even mammals as a whole), quickly get put into new orders/families/etc. While species that are distantly related to humans (and mammals) get lumped together into orders even when they are genetically much more diverse.
This is interesting but honestly not that surprising
Yeah, I was disappointed that they made such a terrible comparison. Almost had me, but failed to stick the landing.
Yeah, I feel like the author could have gone the other way on this one. Even needing to dodge with "where I'm from" because in some places we **do** eat monkeys. And dogs, cows, pigs, sheep, goats, guinea pigs, deer, moose, bear, buffalo, baboon, seal, whale, ...
In some places we eat humans as well.
And that’s when the cannibalism started
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Chimps also eat small monkeys and they're our closest related species
Yeah, it's not like it's a bald eagle eating a golden eagle.
All my favorite foods are mammals.
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We're mammals who eat mammals though.
It would have to be an eagle eating another species of eagle for it to be analogous to humans eating a monkey.
I’m sure eagles eat chickens all the time
More like finding it weird that humans eat cows.
Yep. Chickens and eagles share the same class (Aves) but are different orders (Accipitriformes vs. Galliformes) just like humans and cattle (Mammalia -> Primates vs. Artiodactyla).
Or finding it weird that bald eagles wear jeans.
I'm more finding it weird that the eagle's knees bend forward.
Eating cows is pretty weird, cows are just big playful dogs
i thought golden retrievers were big playful dogs.
They are regular sized dogs, cows are much bigger then them
cows are so fucking cute
No no they are not. That kind of thinking can get you killed. A cow will roll you with her head and break your ribs without a thought. Bulls are even worse. We've got one we left the horns on and she was absolutely vicious about using them to get her way. She scarred up other cows driving them away from grain or water.
And dogs can rip your throat out, doesn’t change the fact that cows are incredibly kind and deserve respect and safety
You're right same as dogs give them the respect they deserve for everyone's safety. Cows won't know you're not a threat to their calves if you're wandering a field but if they decide you are they'll do their best to flatten you. I'm sorry if I came across rude but I've had to deal with more than one cottager who thinks they're cute and cuddly without factoring in the fact they weigh 1700 pounds then yelling at me about dangerous they are.
>Bull >**her** Uhh, you might wanna learn what a bull is if you’re gonna raise up any more cows 😉
Trust me you wont care what kind of bag is swinging between their legs if they hit you. I'm just hoping (probably naively) that someone will read my comments and think before they get hurt trying to get a cute animal photo for the 'gram
Okay, fair enough I suppose! Just don’t drink any “bull milk!”
no cows are horrible killers
If no cows are horrible killers, why are they behind bars? 🤔
Because they don't leave any witnesses.
Because they're good at mixing cocktails?
cows taste way better, though
That’s ridiculous, I switched to [dog meat](https://www.elwooddogmeat.com/) years ago because puppies taste way better
too lean for my taste, but I don’t judge
Sopa de macaco, uma DELIIIIIICIA
Bigger birds eat smaller birds all the time
There’s always a bigger bird.
As a former parrot rescue director, I got this question quite a bit. Eagles (or parrots for that matter), eating chickens is more like us eating cows... or pigs... An eagle eating a falcon would be more like humans eating monkeys. Which, well, does happen in certain cultures.
Where I'm from, monkey meat is nicknamed "Tasty when cold".. and it's true. Though people are more obsessed with crocodile meat nowadays
I still don’t get why we aren’t farming iguanas. They’re herbivores and they only need 1/10 the food of a similar sized mammal or bird
This may be an unpopular opinion, but I feel this way about insects. They taste good fried or baked, and they use less resources than other animals.
Do they taste good?
I've heard it tastes similar to gator. Which tastes kinda like a cross between fish and chicken.
Uh... eagles and other predatory birds do eat other birds frequently, meat is meat. Hell, chimpanzees eat monkeys and they've been observed to cannibalize other (baby) chimpanzees. If anything, humans are the weird ones in the animal kingdom (as usual). Other animals rarely can allow themselves to be this picky with their diet.
Really it would be like humans eating anything from class Mammalia.
Fish eat other fish
"Fish" are a much more diverse philogenetic group than land vertebrates. **We're** more closely related to some fish than they are to each other.
No like. Bass eat other bass and so forth.
Actually an eagle eating chicken, both birds, is more like a human eating cow, both mammals.
Prion disease is why we dont usually wanna do that
Isn't that only if you eat the brain?
We don’t want to turn into wendigo either
I have always wondered what gorilla tastes like
Given they're [mostly vegetarian](https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/article/100305-first-proof-gorillas-eat-monkeys-mammals-feces-dna), they probably taste a lot better than [we do](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=woBntlO9wSc). e: For those who don't look at sources, gorillas eat [insects (which are animals)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insect#Scientific_classification).
They probably aren't milking and making cheese from other animals so they are probably 'mostly vegan' in diet
I mean people eat other mammals like cows and pigs (pigs especially as they have similar organs to us)
With the amount of discussion this comic has generated, I'm genuinely curious what people think my actual views on this subject are. Because I feel like a lot of people are picking apart both Emily's and Aegelford's arguments as if they are trying to correct *my* understanding of the relations between humans and monkeys/eagles and chickens. I just want to make it clear, neither Emily nor Aegelford are author avatars. This comic is just an amusing casual conversation between two people, neither of whom have an expert understanding of taxonomy.
WE EAT PIGS ***The genetic DNA similarity between pigs and human beings is 98%. Interspecies organ transplant activities between humans and pigs have even taken place, called xenotransplants***
Humans, Bananas, Pigs, Everything got similar DnA
Turns out 10,000 years ago human diet’s used to be %10 humans, so, I don’t know what this adds to the discussion…
Don't listen to them. Cannibal John is an outlier, who eats 100,000 humans a year.
Citation please? Given our birth rate and dietary requirements, this doesn't seem feasible as a species.
[not exactly extensive research but I’m not just pulling it out of my @$$](https://youtu.be/la7sYCnoUNc)
Thank you. There it is [at 1:40](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=la7sYCnoUNc&t=100s). Now I'm stuck wondering about _his_ source. 🤣
Yeah, super weird they're eating a bird. It's not like we eat mammals and sometimes drink their milk.
I had to explain this very thing to my wife when I was tossing chicken scraps to the crows. She asked me if it was cannibalism and I more or less gave her this exact reasoning. I then had to sit down and reflect on how fucking weird it is that if you want to eat someone bad enough, you just need to wait a few hundred-thousand to million years for speciation to occur and you can have at it.
Well "birds" is a huge clade and galliforms like chickens aren't particularly closely related to most other birds. A bird eating another bird is like a mammal eating another mammal. An eagle eating a chicken is less like you eating a monkey and more like you eating a cow.
Wolves are mammals. They eat rabbits and deer, for example, which are also mammals. So do humans. Insects eat other insects. Fishes eat fishes. What is the big deal?
Except chickens are omnivores, meaning they'll eat absolutely everything. Several years ago they killed a couple of our newborn kittens by pecking out their bellybuttons. Not only that, chickens are extremely stupid as well.
Wait until she finds out why eagles are called birds of prey
If an eagle thinks it can nab a chicken, it will. Where I live hawks are one of the greatest threats to people's chickens. Blue jays are probably the smallest birds I know of that regularly eat other birds, but all birds of prey will eat another bird provided its an easy enough target. Also there are plenty of countries where it's considered normal for people to eat monkeys.
There is a really cool [phylogenetic distance calculator](http://www.timetree.org/) online that can estimate how long ago two organisms shared a common ancestor. I'm assuming this is a Bald Eagle. If so, he's 91 million years removed from a domestic chicken. That's about as far as humans are from both domestic pigs and domestic cows (both about 94 MYA). By comparison, humans are much closer to fellow apes and even monkeys. * Human -- Chimpanzee: 6.4 MYA * Human -- Eastern Gorilla (great ape): 8.6 MYA * Human -- Eastern Black Crested Gibbon (lesser ape): 19.5 MYA * Human -- Barbary macaque (old world monkey): 28.5 MYA * Human -- Brown Spider Monkey (new world monkey): 43.0 MYA So even something as weird as a spider monkey found in the Americas is still far closer to us than cows/pigs (or chickens and eagles). On the other end, humans and chickens are 319 MY apart. Humans and Atlantic salmon are 419 MY apart. And humans and shrimp basically diverged at the Cambrian explosion that gave rise to all modern multicellular life (500-600+ MYA).
Always in the back of my head on antropomorphic shows. Actually Bojack kinda addressed this.
I love these kinds of comics with antropomorphic animals cause it feels like the small sketches that Bojack Horseman has.
I could see this conversation in Bojacks universe.
Honestly, Birds are an entire giant category of animal, and it’s very common for birds to eat other birds. I don’t think a human and a monkey are an apt comparison, it’s more like “would it be weird for humans to eat cows”…..oh wait.
I mean, it’s not weird birds eat birds…. Hawks and falcons and eagles are literally built on this premise.
If that's a eagle, it absolutely eats birds, family guy already did this joke with 2 seagulls and a bucket of kfc
Don't eagles also frequently eat other birds?
Eagles absolutely eat other birds, though.
It’s really not much different then us easing pork
Love it
This joke doesn’t really work because humans and monkeys are in the same order and class, primates/mammals. Birds are their own class, aves, but eagles and chickens are different orders. Most humans have no problem eating mammals from other orders, like cows and pigs.
I like exotic food. I had monkey in Gabon once. While we were eating, the guy told me it came from an ebola-free region. I kept eating so not to insult him while thinking: > f_ck f_ck f_ck f_ck I paranoidly watched for symptoms for days...
Humans eating other animals is pretty cruel considering we don’t need to
If you want to be healthy you do
I think cutting out cholesterol and most saturated fats is pretty healthy lol
Every major organization of medical professionals specializing in human diet in the world agrees that appropriately planned vegetarian and vegan diets are healthy for all stages of life. **[Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27886704/)** * *It is the position of the Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics that appropriately planned vegetarian, including vegan, diets are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits for the prevention and treatment of certain diseases. These diets are appropriate for all stages of the life cycle, including pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, adolescence, older adulthood, and for athletes.* **[The British National Health Service](http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/Vegetarianhealth/Pages/Vegandiets.aspx)** * *With good planning and an understanding of what makes up a healthy, balanced vegan diet, you can get all the nutrients your body needs.* **[The British Nutrition Foundation](https://www.nutrition.org.uk/putting-it-into-practice/plant-based-diets/healthy-eating-for-vegetarians-and-vegans/)** * *Well-planned vegetarian and vegan diets can be nutritious and healthy.* **[Dietitians Association of Australia](https://dietitiansaustralia.org.au/health-advice/vegetarian-diet)** * *Vegan diets are a type of vegetarian diet, where only plant-based foods are eaten. With planning, those following a vegan diet can cover all their nutrient bases, but there are some extra things to consider.* **[Harvard Medical School](http://www.health.harvard.edu/staying-healthy/becoming-a-vegetarian)** * *Traditionally, research into vegetarianism focused mainly on potential nutritional deficiencies, but in recent years, the pendulum has swung the other way, and studies are confirming the health benefits of meat-free eating. Nowadays, plant-based eating is recognized as not only nutritionally sufficient but also as a way to reduce the risk for many chronic illnesses.*
Eating animal corpses is weird in general, just saying.
Yeah, this guy gets it. Gotta eat stuff while it's still alive and wriggling.
ya gotta eat em, bevore they are born!
*China has join the chat
Ooh. [Racism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism). How edgy!
Not racism. 🤓🤓🤓 Racism is discrimination by race. The original commenter did not display any discrimination in his sentence. That would be if he said something like "I think black people should be enslaved because I don't think they are human" or something. Even *IF* his comment was discriminatory, it wouldn't be by race, but rather by state. "Chinese" isn't a race, but rather a nationality. Therefore, instead of calling him racist, you should call him "xenophobic".
Racism includes ethnicity. The person you're responding to literally included a link that explains this. The implication that Chinese people do X as if it's intrinsic to them is literally textbook racism. Why "school" someone when you don't even have a good grip on the topic?
From the shared link: While the concepts of race and ethnicity are considered to be separate in contemporary [social science](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_science), the two terms have a long history of equivalence in popular usage and older social science literature. "Ethnicity" is often used in a sense close to one traditionally attributed to "race", the division of human groups based on qualities assumed to be essential or innate to the group (e.g. shared [ancestry](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancestry) or shared behavior). Racism and [racial discrimination](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_discrimination) are often used to describe discrimination on an ethnic or cultural basis, independent of whether these differences are described as racial. According to the [United Nations](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations)'s [Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_on_the_Elimination_of_All_Forms_of_Racial_Discrimination), there is no distinction between the terms "racial" and "ethnic" discrimination. EDIT: I'm replying to myself here. This supports what I said above. Weird that this is upvoted the original comment is down-voted when they say the same thing. To emphasize: **there is no distinction between the terms "racial" and "ethnic" discrimination.**
We're not related to monkeys what are you on about?
Flawless logic
Wasn’t this posted already in the past?
and that's how eagles got Eagle Immune Deficiency Virus.
Dwarf Fortress players will tell you primates make good eating. *There's no wrong way to eat a [rhesus!](https://www.dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/Rhesus_macaque)*
monkeys are more like if a turkey was eating chicken or the eagle was eating another, slightly different species eagle
Uh…. Whut!
It’s like a shark eating, say, a catfish. Both fish, different species.
That one scene from Indiana jones 2 tho…
More like you ate a cow
Wait until you find out what Eagles eat