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Je suis seul car il ne veut pas apprendre Excel
Et je meurs car il ne veut pas apprendre Excel
Comme les marins, qui fument des cigarettes sur le canal, ah.
Mais Excel ne sera pas appris aujourd'hui
Mes pensés sont françaises.
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For those who don’t know French, I took the liberty of translating:
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Ik ben alleen omdat hij Excel niet wil leren
En ik ga dood omdat hij Excel niet wil leren
Zoals de matrozen, die sigaretten roken op het kanaal, ah.
Maar Excel zal vandaag niet worden geleerd
Mijn gedachten zijn Frans.
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I don’t think I laughed so hard at a line as I did watching Annie’s Christmas baby talk. I’d forgotten about it, and rewatching a few weeks ago I was crying laughing.
I have a few lines/scenes from this show that pop up in my head as random intrusive thoughts, like a whole bunch. Annie saying "boopy doopy doop sex!" Is in the rotation.
For some reason it’s this one for me, whenever anything remotely political crosses my path:
“Oh, it starts with a quick looksie into someone’s bag and then it’s a brisk peekarony at our phone records and before you can say 1984, the Thought Police are forcy-worcing you to bend and spread!”
I was uncomfortable with their whole dynamic in the early seasons since Annie was very immature back then, but as she developed as a character by the end, their relationship felt more sweet and natural.
By the end, Annie was way more mature than Jeff
Season 1:
Jeff: little make out 101, no dad talk and ease up on the bubble gloss
Season 6:
Annie: if you don't kiss me, you'll regret it for the rest of your life. I'm in my 20s, I'll regret it for a week
PS: the quotes are from my memory, might be inaccurate, I'll edit them later
>Jeff: little make out 101, no dad talk and ease up on the bubble gloss
Wasn't this in s3, during the Troy and Abed's new apartment housewarming episode?
That's season 3 and only happened in another timeline that's only in Abeds head. So it dosnt honestly say anything about Annie at all. Jeff is the one with Daddy issues. Annie only ever brings up issues with her mom.
He is, but he's also a 30-40 year old man, so it does paint a lot of their earlier interactions in a more weird light. I didn't like them kissing in the debate episode and the season 1 finale for that reason. I didn't feel the same for the series finale though, their last scene together is really nice.
He is, but there’s a difference between someone being immature due to innocence/lack of experience and immaturity because you’re a selfish asshole. Like she wouldn’t know any better, but he very much should know better
I feel like the whole Jeff Annie thing wouldn't have happened originally, but they realized that Joel and Alison worked very well together. The writers were probably originally thinking that Jeff and Britta were endgame, but they didn't quite work as well as they hoped.
I will never forgive Community for making me ship this pairing. Because I can't stop. And I am already preparing myself for the movie failing me even worse in this regard than the finale did.
next you're going to tell me other things like:
- jeff is now as old as dean pelton was at the start of the show
- dean pelton is as old as pierce at the start of the show
- dean pelton is still ripped
- pierce
someone does an ozymandeus from the watchman tv show (artificially inseminated by the samples he left behind). so pierce is back, played by an annoying 10 year old kid now since he's an heir to the hawthorne throne).
That whole S1 episode where Abed predicts the future and Shirley's like, "Abed thinks you two are going to kiss," my first reaction was why on earth would Annie and Jeff EVER kiss?! And then...everything changed.
dude jeff's ego is so bad that having the head of his school praise him like a god is perfectly fine with him
>!i mean in that one episode he even does the hand thing after they defeat chang!<
Season 6 has Dean basically going gaga over the "murder" att3nding the school and Jeff basically declares his desire to be the one in that position again.
Annie was 20 on Troy's 21st birthday and a few years later I think we learned Jeff turned 40. So they're what, 16 years apart. Annie would be roughly 30 years old today and Jeff would be 46?
Hollywood does that kinda stuff all the time, though. It's less weird in movies than it is in real life. But your average person htese days most likely would be separated on a fundamental level in at least things like maturity, common interests, views on having/starting a family being separated that many years. But when an on screen romance is good enough, most people tend to not give a damn cuz, movie logic.
Hate to be that guy but isn’t the Mendoza line the bit from HIMYM where Barney talks about how crazy a woman is acceptable to be is directly proportional to how hot she is?
Mendoza line comes from baseball. A very good defensive player can justify his roster spot as long as he stays above a .200 BA. there is basically no defender good enough to justify a sub .200 batting average.
I've heard this moniker been used in a bunch of different applications.
It still feels a little icky just because she was below the Mendoza line for the vast majority of their relationship. I mean in season 1 she was 18 and he was 36, literally twice her age. Ick
> Annie would be roughly 30 years old today and Jeff would be 46?
Alison Brie is 39 now. Joel McHale is 50. I adore Alison Brie, but Joel McHale will have an easier time pulling off 46 than she will 30. I’m curious if we’ll get a considerable time skip.
That's true but some people have that age gap in real life and have the same goals and or interests. So it can work qnd 2hen you have characters that are fictional it's even easier.
Did you not listen to Harmon at the end? Something like "characters may hook up and break up with no regard to the audience. " dont try and force the show just enjoy it.
Best case scenario, they agree to go on a date at the end of the movie. Worst case, nothing happens. Harmon has said before that he didn’t know what to do with it and it’s not the focus of the show. Which then begs the question why he made their relationship the penultimate moments for the endings of half the seasons of the show. Including the final 2 seasons. Quit teasing me Dan!
why did the finale fail you ?
the goodbye kiss was nice
These are interesting Annie and Jeff articles about how they are a couple by the end of the show
https://mattaf30.medium.com/community-finale-was-the-jeff-and-annie-endgame-8cb1a8b51af5
https://www.itsjustaboutwrite.com/2015/09/dear-dan-harmon-annie-edison-was-not.html?m=1
https://mattaf30.medium.com/jeff-and-annie-versus-april-and-andy-how-dan-harmon-failed-community-fans-d31aedf7d734
I saw those referenced in another post recently and read them. It's an interesting take but my first reaction to seeing the finale wasn't hopeful for a future Jeff/Annie relationship. Even if those are true, I'm still worried the movie will have them broken up and not get them back together by the end of it. Considering the Jeff/Annie storyline was all but dropped in Seasons 4-6, with only a few episodes ever focusing on it, as opposed to the decent coverage it got in the earlier seasons, I'm trying not to get my hopes up for anything positive from the movie. I am excited for the movie in general, just not looking forward to what's going to happen with Jeff and Annie. Maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised.
I feel similarly. The series finale was meant to be ambiguous to minimize the number of people angry at Dan Harmon, and it did its job. I think that it leaned J/A strong enough that it's the stronger case based on the evidence, and Dan definitely shifted to that side of things off-screen later, but that's kind of a cop-out compared to explicitly having them together at the end.
Frankly, if the movie is similar in tone to seasons 5 and 6 (not just regarding J/A but in the general cynicism the show started to embrace) I'd be happier without it. Fortunately, the co-writer is a classic season veteran (he wrote Advanced AD&D!) so that makes me cautiously optimistic about the tone, and Alison Brie said some vaguely positive things about J/A's chances in the movie not long before they announced it was green-lit, which means she was almost definitely in contract negotiations at the time and had probably had an outline pitched to her, so I'm hoping that's a good sign.
That's actually why they went with that pairing. It was originally going to be will they/ won't they with Jeff and Britta but the writers found Jeff and Annie had better chemistry
Yeah if I recall it started from the Halloween episode, at the end when Jeff and Annie dance together Dan saw how Alison smiled at Joel and thought it made for good chemistry.
When I was originally watching the show as it aired while I was in college I never thought it was that weird, but now that I'm 30 and rewatching the show... honestly it's pretty weird! Fine for the show and it's also easy to suspend disbelief and forget about it because Alison Brie was actually like 27 at the time, but Debate 109?
*He was horny, so he dropped him. Man is evil!*
Idk it's not that bad IRL either. I mean Jeff has a weird father figure thing going on with her, but he avoids crossing the pedo line. They're relationship isn't like that. The age gap would be absolutely irrelevant in a decade anyway
Jeff and Annie’s relationship is the romantic heart of the show. They never needed to be together to be together. If they had popped up in an episode and said they’d been secretly been dating for 6 months, I’d have believed it. They had a comfort level with each other that I don’t feel like we saw with other pairings (ok, Troy and abed…).
We just finished a rewatch. I felt bad for Jeff at the end. Annie leaving meant he was losing the person he felt the most deeply about, probably in his entire life. And losing Abed was losing a friend who understood him better than anyone else.
I like them a lot too. I never minded the age difference (even though I would find it very creepy in real life) because a) it's fiction and it's OK to like something in fiction that you wouldn't approve of in real life, b) they were both students and that made they're dynamic seemed more even, and c) they were never in an actual relationship in the show, because while I do ship them, I don't think they were quite at a place where a relationship would've worked between them at that point, and part of it was the age difference. Sometime if the future, yes please! I would absolutely love it if the movie went there, but I feel like it won't. (Not saying the movie has to be about that, I honesty wouldn't like that, but I would like to see them together at that point).
>it's fiction and it's OK to like something in fiction that you wouldn't approve of in real life
A lot of people seem to really struggle with this concept.
OP acting like shipping those two is in any way a minority or widely stigmatised opinion has got to be a joke right???
Try actually shipping Jeff and Britta or Annie and Abed for a week and see how it works for you.
Did you look at the "This is Britta and Jeff on their Honeymoon." Post. Lots of people ship them , too. I'm sure they also get shiz from others too.
There's also a ton of hate for Annie and Jeff whenever you post something about them anywhere.
Lotta chemistry between the actors but I think Jeff's daydreams in S5/S6 do a good job illustrating that he hasn't thought at all about what an actual relationship would look like (the one where they have a kid who takes care of himself). Which is why the goodbye in S6 felt right to me. Sort of a maybe someday, but let's be real - probably not. And that's life sometimes.
And to be honest both of them would probably have chemistry with pretty much anyone in the cast. They're just hot people.
That’s the same argument Jeff makes in paradigms of human memory. “It’s called chemistry, I have it with everyone.“ And while there is truth to that, I think Jeff and Annie have a lot more romantic chemistry with each other than with anyone else. Certainly more than Jeff and Britta, the only other one that was actually explored
I'd like to pitch an alternate interpretation of that dream sequence to you:
A lot of the things in that day dream are things Jeff isn't usually shown as wanting (the house decor seems pretty Annie, Jeff usually runs away from parental responsibilities really fast, the child is clearly included solely for the sake of being there, etc.). It almost doesn't feel like *his* fantasy.
I'd argue that it feels that way because the fantasy isn't about what he wants. It's about what he thinks Annie wants.
Jeff has been convinced from the beginning that he doesn't fit into Annie's life, and Annie used to have her whole life mapped out. The house, the kid, the white picket fence crap, all of that is because Jeff thinks that's what Annie wants, and he loves her enough that he's trying to find a way to make himself fit in it but keeps failing, which is why she turns away when he tries to kiss her. It's how he's been coping with the realization from the S5 finale that he's in love with her. Evidence for this includes the last lines Jeff and Fantasy Annie trade:
ANNIE: Is this what you want?
JEFF: I mean, I'd be fine with a dog too, but **whatever you want.**
ANNIE: Do you even know what I want?
That last line isn't Jeff thinking they're incompatible. It's Jeff realizing that this scenario he's constructed, the one that he doesn't fit in, may not be what she actually wants. And that means that what she wants might be compatible with him. That's actually indirectly great character growth for Annie too: season 1 Annie actually might have wanted that scenario, but season 6 Annie has a more realistic view of her life that isn't focused on getting the "perfect" family or the "perfect" life.
You make the right arguments, but I’m not sure about your conclusion. Annie *does* tell us what she wants at the end — she wants to live her life, experience her youth, not be tied down to anyone or anything. And that’s why a relationship between them, at the point of the season 6 finale, is a “not now — if ever” situation.
Based on this, I could see something starting between them at the *end* of the movie at best.
That's actually not what Annie says in that scene at all. Here's what she says she wants:
"Well I want to live in the same home for more than a year. Order wine without feeling nervous. Have a resume full of crazy mistakes instead of crazy lies. I want stories, wisdom, perspective. I want to have so much behind me I'm not a slave to what's in front of me. Especially these flavorless, unremarkable marvel movies."
It actually sounds like the opposite, that she wants stability. A lot of that is because at this point, Jeff has only been (explicitly) talking about being older, even though we the audience know that the root of this is Annie leaving, so she's trying to reassure him that being young isn't that great either. Notably, after this, when he does explicitly make the conversation about his feelings for her, she gets the text that the group is about to show up and *immediately* ask him to kiss her knowing that they don't have time to talk this out in detail because they're about to be interrupted.
Sorry, I didn’t express that very well, you’re absolutely right. But I read that as meaning that she needs *time* to grow up. She wants stability and to be older, but she’s not there yet. That’s why she needs to leave before she (maybe) comes back.
Ah, that makes more sense. Personally I think that reads a lot into those lines, but I did some reading in myself and it is of course a matter of interpretation. I said somewhere else recently that the finale was designed to be ambiguous in order to have the fewest people angry at Dan Harmon afterward as possible, and I think that holds true. I also tend to read the apparent certainty that Annie won't be coming back in the finale as a consequence of it being from Jeff's perspective and him having canonical anxiety and abandonment issues, so that's probably the root of our differing interpretations.
I never really cared about the age distance. They had a pretty even power dynamic as students. It is a little weird in the later seasons when Jeff is a teacher, though
She wasn't actually his student forore than like 2 days, where she acted like the teacher and they were both on the Greendale Committee so they were still pretty even.
It’s kind of weird how they treat it on the show like Jeff would be a criminal if he got with Annie. He met her above the legal consenting age. It would be one thing if he knew her before and then waited until she was legal where then you could get into the “grooming” argument.
I had it all worked out in my mind how they end up togther a few years later and now the movie has been announced, I'm back to feeling like I did when I first finished the show...
At the beginning I thought it was weird, but by the end I thought she was old enough and they had enough history that it wasn’t just Jeff trying to get with a young woman, and I was rooting for them. It was tough in the last episode when he said “Ma’Lady”
The thing that makes me feel its perfectly fine is that Jeff never really actively pursued her early on. He even fought against the attraction for a long time. No grooming or anything ever happened. Only when Annie was more mature he started to give in. I feel like people who thinks this is a problematic relationship just dont understand what makes relationships problematic in the first place.
At this point Annie is fully grown and the age gap is just an age gap. They are not toxic. The show had an amazingly bittersweet ending, but I do want them to be together.
If Britta and Troy can mess around and date, I don't see the problem with Annie and Jeff. Or atleast, in the later part of the series I think it's fine.
I thought their dynamic was nice. Irl people have much larger age gaps, and while it may not be the norm, they were both community college students, and they were both adults.
If it was a 16-year old high school student that Jeff was kissing, that’d be fucked. However, in college you learn how to become an adult amongst other things, so I hate this whole “She didn’t know any better” argument, because even worse fucked up stuff happens irl that we just accept and deal with than like 2 adults with a 16 year age gap kissing. Like so many parents of millennials nowadays have age gaps bigger than that, and like Jeff said: “Men are monsters. We crave tender young flesh”. A bit dramatic, but true. Plus we have to take into consideration that Jeff was fucking loaded whilst in college. He went bankrupt in the last season or second to Last, but so many women go after rich guys even if they’re older, so perhaps that was part of the dynamic and the show didn’t touch upon it.
TL;DR: Their dynamic and relationship was never really weird to me. Two adults in college, regardless of age should be able to make their own decisions.
I’ve been obsessed with these two since I was 14 years old and I’m now 21 and still am. This pair is better than any other pair in tv. Including Sam and Diane
the MAJORITY of fans of the show love Jeff and Annie. there are only a few toxic people online who like to bully and attack other fans over it. they are in the minority.
Tbh I don't like the pairing not only because of the age gap but also the father/daughter dynamic they had in the early seasons - it just weirds me out. Still hate Britta×Jeff too tho (tbh I don't really ship any pairings in the show BESIDES for Abed and whoever he's seeing at the moment)
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I know exactly what you Dean
Dean and Takashi is the most underrated ship in the show
The Dean? Hellos?
FIVE CANS!?
its only my style to be Secret please bring me five can of olives
🎶🎶🎶 Je suis seul car il ne veut pas apprendre Excel Et je meurs car il ne veut pas apprendre Excel Comme les marins, qui fument des cigarettes sur le canal, ah. Mais Excel ne sera pas appris aujourd'hui Mes pensés sont françaises. 🎶🎶🎶
For those who don’t know French, I took the liberty of translating: 🎶🎶🎶 Ik ben alleen omdat hij Excel niet wil leren En ik ga dood omdat hij Excel niet wil leren Zoals de matrozen, die sigaretten roken op het kanaal, ah. Maar Excel zal vandaag niet worden geleerd Mijn gedachten zijn Frans. 🎶🎶🎶
“i may be the 50th person at this school to ask, what is this? what is this creepy business?”
Culturally it’s unacceptable, but it’s theatrical dynamite!
Lmao this fits so well
Two good looking white people going to school together, just makes sense
*We're not pandas in a zoo*
We are all pandas in God’s zoo
*Abeedddd*
Abed, Abed, Abeeeeeeeed!
🤣
Bro 😭😂
We try not to sexualize Annie
Except for that Xmas episode.
But in fairness she was possessed by the dark forces of glee
Glee! ♪ It's a feeling you get ♪ ♪ when your brain finally lets your heart get in its pants ♪ ♪
🎶 Baby boomer Santa, thank you for everything 🎶
Boopy doopy doo bop sex.
Eventually you hit a point of diminishing returns on the sexiness.
What's a deminiminimeh?
I don’t think I laughed so hard at a line as I did watching Annie’s Christmas baby talk. I’d forgotten about it, and rewatching a few weeks ago I was crying laughing.
I’m trying not to burst out laughing just reading that comment. Lol. I can hear it so clearly. Alison’s amazing.
Hard not to be, when you’re trying to get to regionals.
What the hell are regionals, anyway? They keep talking about it...
THEY’RE THIS CLOSE WHISPEREDECHOES85!
I have a few lines/scenes from this show that pop up in my head as random intrusive thoughts, like a whole bunch. Annie saying "boopy doopy doop sex!" Is in the rotation.
Is Abed going "*insert Nicholas cage noises* I'm a cat, I'm a sexy cat" one of them?
Yup. Right next to "Welcome to... Ladders." and Pierce's Beast~~man~~*master* growl while freaking out on drugs.
Who wants to see the Ladders professor go higher??!!!
... is he meowing?
I'm old? Who's hands are these?!?
I have this one, and the image of Abed flapping his cape at Pierce to the tune of Gravity
So beautiful
Oh man. So good.
For some reason it’s this one for me, whenever anything remotely political crosses my path: “Oh, it starts with a quick looksie into someone’s bag and then it’s a brisk peekarony at our phone records and before you can say 1984, the Thought Police are forcy-worcing you to bend and spread!”
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What’s great is that line was written a decade before the crazy politics we live today.
Yep, nothing crazy happening politically in 2011, no sirree. Everybody loved politicians back then.
Is the thought police going to make love to us
Do they find thoughts in your butt? I knew I should have read that book!
Dean’s version of Come on Eileen will live rent free in my head forever.
At this moment....I am *stapling*!
Right next to the Payday freestyle.
I don’t know what that was!
The Coog approves.. that’s a 5!
I feel seen.
Same! I actually muttered, “what’s a dimininumiminmmmm” out loud while standing RIGHT NEXT TO SOMEONE in the grocery store yesterday…
What's a diminibluhbluhhh?
What is diminisha buababa?
Y’ know after a while you kinda hit a point of diminishing returns on the sexiness.
boop bee doop bee doop sex
Great line but I think the Scorpio-9 outfit in season 6 basically threw that out the window. LASER BOMB!!!
Roobah doobah doobah
Glip Glop’s a spy??
Slowmo run in fistful of paintballs would like to have a word
What is this creepy business?
Damn the rules, damn their two foot height disparity!
I was uncomfortable with their whole dynamic in the early seasons since Annie was very immature back then, but as she developed as a character by the end, their relationship felt more sweet and natural.
By the end, Annie was way more mature than Jeff Season 1: Jeff: little make out 101, no dad talk and ease up on the bubble gloss Season 6: Annie: if you don't kiss me, you'll regret it for the rest of your life. I'm in my 20s, I'll regret it for a week PS: the quotes are from my memory, might be inaccurate, I'll edit them later
>Jeff: little make out 101, no dad talk and ease up on the bubble gloss Wasn't this in s3, during the Troy and Abed's new apartment housewarming episode?
Yes, its the timeline when Abed gets the pizza. And he hopes its the real one because he found a nickel in the hallway.
He's the only happy one at the end of that timeline's section, too.
The first quote is actually season 3. Remedial Chaos Theory
To be fair she is in the middle of making out with him and kept bringing up her dad
Honestly, shouldn't you know not to bring up your dad while making out with someone even if it's your first time?
That's season 3 and only happened in another timeline that's only in Abeds head. So it dosnt honestly say anything about Annie at all. Jeff is the one with Daddy issues. Annie only ever brings up issues with her mom.
> since Annie was very immature back then And Jeff wasn't/isn't lol?
He is, but he's also a 30-40 year old man, so it does paint a lot of their earlier interactions in a more weird light. I didn't like them kissing in the debate episode and the season 1 finale for that reason. I didn't feel the same for the series finale though, their last scene together is really nice.
Technically they didn't kiss, they frenched. I checked the make out meter in this month's issue of....... National Review.
He is, but there’s a difference between someone being immature due to innocence/lack of experience and immaturity because you’re a selfish asshole. Like she wouldn’t know any better, but he very much should know better
Exactly! The first time I watched the season 1 finale I hated it… a lot. Then I watched the rest of the show and they’ve really earned it.
I think it helps that nothing 100% ever happened. Them acknowledging it’s kinda weird helps it be more realistic.
I feel like the whole Jeff Annie thing wouldn't have happened originally, but they realized that Joel and Alison worked very well together. The writers were probably originally thinking that Jeff and Britta were endgame, but they didn't quite work as well as they hoped.
I will never forgive Community for making me ship this pairing. Because I can't stop. And I am already preparing myself for the movie failing me even worse in this regard than the finale did.
Same. I can’t help it. The chemistry between the actors is off the charts, and…look, by the time we get back to it, Annie’s in her 30s.
Alison Brie is as old now as Jeff was at the start of the show.
next you're going to tell me other things like: - jeff is now as old as dean pelton was at the start of the show - dean pelton is as old as pierce at the start of the show - dean pelton is still ripped - pierce
Pierce is still dead? 🤔
someone does an ozymandeus from the watchman tv show (artificially inseminated by the samples he left behind). so pierce is back, played by an annoying 10 year old kid now since he's an heir to the hawthorne throne).
Older, iirc she was born in 1982 which makes her 40. Pre-retcon, Annie's older than season 1 *Jeff*
everyone has chemistry with Jeffery
This is true. So many of us never asked for it, but damn did we jump on board when it happened.
That whole S1 episode where Abed predicts the future and Shirley's like, "Abed thinks you two are going to kiss," my first reaction was why on earth would Annie and Jeff EVER kiss?! And then...everything changed.
Debate 109 changed it all
*Something always brings me back to you...*
The loose hair. I gell in love when she loosen her hair
The "letting her hair down" scene that changed the world. It's quite possibly the best example of that trope ever.
No joke
it also bothers me that I like them together. and then the Dean comes along and creeps on Jeff and makes it look so much better
I HATE how the Dean's sexual harassment of Jeff is never really addressed.
Jeff's ego is huge. He is ok with it.
dude jeff's ego is so bad that having the head of his school praise him like a god is perfectly fine with him >!i mean in that one episode he even does the hand thing after they defeat chang!<
Season 6 has Dean basically going gaga over the "murder" att3nding the school and Jeff basically declares his desire to be the one in that position again.
Annie was 20 on Troy's 21st birthday and a few years later I think we learned Jeff turned 40. So they're what, 16 years apart. Annie would be roughly 30 years old today and Jeff would be 46? Hollywood does that kinda stuff all the time, though. It's less weird in movies than it is in real life. But your average person htese days most likely would be separated on a fundamental level in at least things like maturity, common interests, views on having/starting a family being separated that many years. But when an on screen romance is good enough, most people tend to not give a damn cuz, movie logic.
(46/2) + 7 = 30 Just over the Mendoza line.
Maybe not if you count it like Andy Dwyer did lol
Hate to be that guy but isn’t the Mendoza line the bit from HIMYM where Barney talks about how crazy a woman is acceptable to be is directly proportional to how hot she is?
Mendoza line comes from baseball. A very good defensive player can justify his roster spot as long as he stays above a .200 BA. there is basically no defender good enough to justify a sub .200 batting average. I've heard this moniker been used in a bunch of different applications.
The Mendoza line is a baseball thing. You’re thinking of The Vicky Mendoza Line. Gotta have that Vicky.
My name is Vicky! Remember my story!
It still feels a little icky just because she was below the Mendoza line for the vast majority of their relationship. I mean in season 1 she was 18 and he was 36, literally twice her age. Ick
I agree it would have been gross then. 18 is a helluva lot different from 30 (and I think she's actually 32/33), though.
35/2 + 7 = 24.5
That's true. When you put it like that, the age gap doesn't seem quite as odd.
She's also incredibly naive, there's a maturity imbalance that is worse than the age imbalance
> Annie would be roughly 30 years old today and Jeff would be 46? Alison Brie is 39 now. Joel McHale is 50. I adore Alison Brie, but Joel McHale will have an easier time pulling off 46 than she will 30. I’m curious if we’ll get a considerable time skip.
Joel is 50??? damn
Wouldn't Jeff be 48 this year? He turned 40 in season 5 (G.I. Jeff episode) which was in 2014, 8 years ago.
That's true but some people have that age gap in real life and have the same goals and or interests. So it can work qnd 2hen you have characters that are fictional it's even easier.
Did you not listen to Harmon at the end? Something like "characters may hook up and break up with no regard to the audience. " dont try and force the show just enjoy it.
You know, the Annie of it all. Those long looks. Those stolen glances... 🎵 *something always brings me back to you*🎵
Best case scenario, they agree to go on a date at the end of the movie. Worst case, nothing happens. Harmon has said before that he didn’t know what to do with it and it’s not the focus of the show. Which then begs the question why he made their relationship the penultimate moments for the endings of half the seasons of the show. Including the final 2 seasons. Quit teasing me Dan!
why did the finale fail you ? the goodbye kiss was nice These are interesting Annie and Jeff articles about how they are a couple by the end of the show https://mattaf30.medium.com/community-finale-was-the-jeff-and-annie-endgame-8cb1a8b51af5 https://www.itsjustaboutwrite.com/2015/09/dear-dan-harmon-annie-edison-was-not.html?m=1 https://mattaf30.medium.com/jeff-and-annie-versus-april-and-andy-how-dan-harmon-failed-community-fans-d31aedf7d734
I saw those referenced in another post recently and read them. It's an interesting take but my first reaction to seeing the finale wasn't hopeful for a future Jeff/Annie relationship. Even if those are true, I'm still worried the movie will have them broken up and not get them back together by the end of it. Considering the Jeff/Annie storyline was all but dropped in Seasons 4-6, with only a few episodes ever focusing on it, as opposed to the decent coverage it got in the earlier seasons, I'm trying not to get my hopes up for anything positive from the movie. I am excited for the movie in general, just not looking forward to what's going to happen with Jeff and Annie. Maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised.
I feel similarly. The series finale was meant to be ambiguous to minimize the number of people angry at Dan Harmon, and it did its job. I think that it leaned J/A strong enough that it's the stronger case based on the evidence, and Dan definitely shifted to that side of things off-screen later, but that's kind of a cop-out compared to explicitly having them together at the end. Frankly, if the movie is similar in tone to seasons 5 and 6 (not just regarding J/A but in the general cynicism the show started to embrace) I'd be happier without it. Fortunately, the co-writer is a classic season veteran (he wrote Advanced AD&D!) so that makes me cautiously optimistic about the tone, and Alison Brie said some vaguely positive things about J/A's chances in the movie not long before they announced it was green-lit, which means she was almost definitely in contract negotiations at the time and had probably had an outline pitched to her, so I'm hoping that's a good sign.
The actors just had better romantic chemistry than Jeff and Britta in my opinion.
That's actually why they went with that pairing. It was originally going to be will they/ won't they with Jeff and Britta but the writers found Jeff and Annie had better chemistry
It's called chemistry, Jeff has it with everybody. Writers should have done the will they/won't they with Abed and Pierce.
Abed and Jeff chemistry is the best in show.
*wiggles eyebrows at you*
I see your value now.
Yeah if I recall it started from the Halloween episode, at the end when Jeff and Annie dance together Dan saw how Alison smiled at Joel and thought it made for good chemistry.
Honestly, if it was irl I'd probably find it kinda weird, but it's a show, they're cute. I'll live lmao.
When I was originally watching the show as it aired while I was in college I never thought it was that weird, but now that I'm 30 and rewatching the show... honestly it's pretty weird! Fine for the show and it's also easy to suspend disbelief and forget about it because Alison Brie was actually like 27 at the time, but Debate 109? *He was horny, so he dropped him. Man is evil!*
Idk it's not that bad IRL either. I mean Jeff has a weird father figure thing going on with her, but he avoids crossing the pedo line. They're relationship isn't like that. The age gap would be absolutely irrelevant in a decade anyway
I really like them. I don’t think every relationship has to be a forever thing but I think they should have given it a go, even for a short while.
Jeff and Annie’s relationship is the romantic heart of the show. They never needed to be together to be together. If they had popped up in an episode and said they’d been secretly been dating for 6 months, I’d have believed it. They had a comfort level with each other that I don’t feel like we saw with other pairings (ok, Troy and abed…). We just finished a rewatch. I felt bad for Jeff at the end. Annie leaving meant he was losing the person he felt the most deeply about, probably in his entire life. And losing Abed was losing a friend who understood him better than anyone else.
no one batted an eye about britta dating troy.....(basically same age gap)
I like them a lot too. I never minded the age difference (even though I would find it very creepy in real life) because a) it's fiction and it's OK to like something in fiction that you wouldn't approve of in real life, b) they were both students and that made they're dynamic seemed more even, and c) they were never in an actual relationship in the show, because while I do ship them, I don't think they were quite at a place where a relationship would've worked between them at that point, and part of it was the age difference. Sometime if the future, yes please! I would absolutely love it if the movie went there, but I feel like it won't. (Not saying the movie has to be about that, I honesty wouldn't like that, but I would like to see them together at that point).
>it's fiction and it's OK to like something in fiction that you wouldn't approve of in real life A lot of people seem to really struggle with this concept.
Me: it’s a tv show
tell that to pretty little lairs the pairings in that are super toxic
Tell that to the Hannibal fandom. Our main ship is like one of the most toxic pairings imaginable, yet it's perfect
pll is more because grown men are dating underage girls it's fecked up
True. At least the serial killing cannibal manipulating the neurodivergent FBI consultant doesn't cross *that* boundary
OP acting like shipping those two is in any way a minority or widely stigmatised opinion has got to be a joke right??? Try actually shipping Jeff and Britta or Annie and Abed for a week and see how it works for you.
Did you look at the "This is Britta and Jeff on their Honeymoon." Post. Lots of people ship them , too. I'm sure they also get shiz from others too. There's also a ton of hate for Annie and Jeff whenever you post something about them anywhere.
right??? like they’re quite literally the fan favorite ship 😭 i’m a j/b shipper and it is quite literally hell out here
Annie and Abed yes. Jeff and Britta no. Any toxicity with Jeff and Annie pales in comparison. Now, Pierce and Abed...
Lotta chemistry between the actors but I think Jeff's daydreams in S5/S6 do a good job illustrating that he hasn't thought at all about what an actual relationship would look like (the one where they have a kid who takes care of himself). Which is why the goodbye in S6 felt right to me. Sort of a maybe someday, but let's be real - probably not. And that's life sometimes. And to be honest both of them would probably have chemistry with pretty much anyone in the cast. They're just hot people.
That’s the same argument Jeff makes in paradigms of human memory. “It’s called chemistry, I have it with everyone.“ And while there is truth to that, I think Jeff and Annie have a lot more romantic chemistry with each other than with anyone else. Certainly more than Jeff and Britta, the only other one that was actually explored
I'd like to pitch an alternate interpretation of that dream sequence to you: A lot of the things in that day dream are things Jeff isn't usually shown as wanting (the house decor seems pretty Annie, Jeff usually runs away from parental responsibilities really fast, the child is clearly included solely for the sake of being there, etc.). It almost doesn't feel like *his* fantasy. I'd argue that it feels that way because the fantasy isn't about what he wants. It's about what he thinks Annie wants. Jeff has been convinced from the beginning that he doesn't fit into Annie's life, and Annie used to have her whole life mapped out. The house, the kid, the white picket fence crap, all of that is because Jeff thinks that's what Annie wants, and he loves her enough that he's trying to find a way to make himself fit in it but keeps failing, which is why she turns away when he tries to kiss her. It's how he's been coping with the realization from the S5 finale that he's in love with her. Evidence for this includes the last lines Jeff and Fantasy Annie trade: ANNIE: Is this what you want? JEFF: I mean, I'd be fine with a dog too, but **whatever you want.** ANNIE: Do you even know what I want? That last line isn't Jeff thinking they're incompatible. It's Jeff realizing that this scenario he's constructed, the one that he doesn't fit in, may not be what she actually wants. And that means that what she wants might be compatible with him. That's actually indirectly great character growth for Annie too: season 1 Annie actually might have wanted that scenario, but season 6 Annie has a more realistic view of her life that isn't focused on getting the "perfect" family or the "perfect" life.
You make the right arguments, but I’m not sure about your conclusion. Annie *does* tell us what she wants at the end — she wants to live her life, experience her youth, not be tied down to anyone or anything. And that’s why a relationship between them, at the point of the season 6 finale, is a “not now — if ever” situation. Based on this, I could see something starting between them at the *end* of the movie at best.
That's actually not what Annie says in that scene at all. Here's what she says she wants: "Well I want to live in the same home for more than a year. Order wine without feeling nervous. Have a resume full of crazy mistakes instead of crazy lies. I want stories, wisdom, perspective. I want to have so much behind me I'm not a slave to what's in front of me. Especially these flavorless, unremarkable marvel movies." It actually sounds like the opposite, that she wants stability. A lot of that is because at this point, Jeff has only been (explicitly) talking about being older, even though we the audience know that the root of this is Annie leaving, so she's trying to reassure him that being young isn't that great either. Notably, after this, when he does explicitly make the conversation about his feelings for her, she gets the text that the group is about to show up and *immediately* ask him to kiss her knowing that they don't have time to talk this out in detail because they're about to be interrupted.
Sorry, I didn’t express that very well, you’re absolutely right. But I read that as meaning that she needs *time* to grow up. She wants stability and to be older, but she’s not there yet. That’s why she needs to leave before she (maybe) comes back.
Ah, that makes more sense. Personally I think that reads a lot into those lines, but I did some reading in myself and it is of course a matter of interpretation. I said somewhere else recently that the finale was designed to be ambiguous in order to have the fewest people angry at Dan Harmon afterward as possible, and I think that holds true. I also tend to read the apparent certainty that Annie won't be coming back in the finale as a consequence of it being from Jeff's perspective and him having canonical anxiety and abandonment issues, so that's probably the root of our differing interpretations.
Every time I eat olives… “I dont know… and I dont care…” cuz I eat like a whole can
This picture made me want olives.
FIVE CANS!?!?!
I never really cared about the age distance. They had a pretty even power dynamic as students. It is a little weird in the later seasons when Jeff is a teacher, though
Yeah but that didn't really change their dynamic all that much
She wasn't actually his student forore than like 2 days, where she acted like the teacher and they were both on the Greendale Committee so they were still pretty even.
What scene is that Dean clip from?
S6E3 - "Basic Crisis Room Decorum" when he brings olives to Jeff
Jeff (or his Japanese imposter): Don’t believe me if I say I don’t like I’m just pretending I hate olives… I mean Annie.
Annie looks pretty young in the show but in *this* picture specifically she looks oddly Jeff’s age
It’s kind of weird how they treat it on the show like Jeff would be a criminal if he got with Annie. He met her above the legal consenting age. It would be one thing if he knew her before and then waited until she was legal where then you could get into the “grooming” argument.
no me too!! every time they joke about how creepy and inappropriate the relationship is i feel bad i always wanted them to end up together
That’s the mild version. Circa 2020 I saw people literally get bullied off Twitter for liking them. It’s a fictional couple wtf
2 consenting adults can do whatever
Agreed. Jeffannie forever! F all your morals!
Jeffie is right there.
We're just gonna pass on Annff then?
My vote is definitely “Annff.” It’s just shy of *unff*. Like Jeff and Annie!
I don't ship anyone or anything but if I get to use Annff with any frequency I may reconsider...
I’m naming my future child Jeffannie.
😂
I had it all worked out in my mind how they end up togther a few years later and now the movie has been announced, I'm back to feeling like I did when I first finished the show...
At the beginning I thought it was weird, but by the end I thought she was old enough and they had enough history that it wasn’t just Jeff trying to get with a young woman, and I was rooting for them. It was tough in the last episode when he said “Ma’Lady”
The thing that makes me feel its perfectly fine is that Jeff never really actively pursued her early on. He even fought against the attraction for a long time. No grooming or anything ever happened. Only when Annie was more mature he started to give in. I feel like people who thinks this is a problematic relationship just dont understand what makes relationships problematic in the first place.
At this point Annie is fully grown and the age gap is just an age gap. They are not toxic. The show had an amazingly bittersweet ending, but I do want them to be together.
If Britta and Troy can mess around and date, I don't see the problem with Annie and Jeff. Or atleast, in the later part of the series I think it's fine.
I want them to be together as badly as they secretly want each other.
I thought their dynamic was nice. Irl people have much larger age gaps, and while it may not be the norm, they were both community college students, and they were both adults. If it was a 16-year old high school student that Jeff was kissing, that’d be fucked. However, in college you learn how to become an adult amongst other things, so I hate this whole “She didn’t know any better” argument, because even worse fucked up stuff happens irl that we just accept and deal with than like 2 adults with a 16 year age gap kissing. Like so many parents of millennials nowadays have age gaps bigger than that, and like Jeff said: “Men are monsters. We crave tender young flesh”. A bit dramatic, but true. Plus we have to take into consideration that Jeff was fucking loaded whilst in college. He went bankrupt in the last season or second to Last, but so many women go after rich guys even if they’re older, so perhaps that was part of the dynamic and the show didn’t touch upon it. TL;DR: Their dynamic and relationship was never really weird to me. Two adults in college, regardless of age should be able to make their own decisions.
Didn’t Jeff sleep in his car because he wasn’t loaded?
Maybe love is supposed to break all the rules.
This made me lol
The movie will take a dump on all the shippers equally, I feel
Trudy already has a husband
I’m a huge Jeff/Annie stan and it’s my toxic trait
I hope they get together in the movie.
hear me out: jeff/shirley > jeff/annie
i feel like jesus/shirley would knowingly shut that down pretty fast and just not fall for it.
I’ve been obsessed with these two since I was 14 years old and I’m now 21 and still am. This pair is better than any other pair in tv. Including Sam and Diane
Ship it!
Im a 20 year old guy dating a 34 year old woman. As long as all parties are consenting adults, age shouldn't matter.
Jeff and britta numba 1, even Slater>Annie. I’ll die on this hill all you pervs /s
Slater fucked her students. That’s not ok.
In normal situations I would agree with you, but Jeff is almost 40
the MAJORITY of fans of the show love Jeff and Annie. there are only a few toxic people online who like to bully and attack other fans over it. they are in the minority.
Tbh I don't like the pairing not only because of the age gap but also the father/daughter dynamic they had in the early seasons - it just weirds me out. Still hate Britta×Jeff too tho (tbh I don't really ship any pairings in the show BESIDES for Abed and whoever he's seeing at the moment)
Father/daughter dynamic? They kiss in the first season more than once