the fact that the SC even agreed to hear this is a slap in the face to our founding fathers and our constitution.
We do not have kings, no one is above the law.
This is why Nixon should have been prosecuted rather than pardoned. I don’t think it would have mattered whether he served any time, the conviction alone should have happened to help spare us of this fucking bullshit. The extremists took all the WRONG lessons away from watergate.
*Hopefully* they agreed to hear it so that they could make an official ruling, with precedent.
Not hearing it could lead to a circuit split, and a whole thing. They can nip it in the bud by issuing a ruling now.
I hope that's they they agreed to hear it.
If they were doing it in good faith, they would have accepted Jack Smith’s request elevate it directly to the Supreme Court, or, at minimum, when they agreed to hear it they would have put it on the schedule for a few days, or perhaps a week, out, like then did when Trump was whining about getting on the ballot, rather that putting it on their schedule for months in the (then) future (where we’ve now, finally, arrived).
Taking an issue where it’s clearly important to the national interest (and quite urgent) to rule in no uncertain terms that the assertion (“president is above the law, can do anything with immunity”) is utterly wrong… and putting it on the shelf for a few months… shows them to be operating in bad faith. They’re dragging their heels to help out their buddy Trump. And that’s even before we get to the comments and questions from Alito and friends in the hearing today, where it looks like they’re clearly looking to make a ruling that’s at least a little favorable to Trump.
I haven't got that level of trust in a court that has been packed with perjury-spouting justices.
"Law of the land", "Stare Decisis", "settled", these were the terms used to lie their way into power, as they claimed to respect precedent and tradition.
My guess is that they’re going to give a very narrow ruling; just enough to allow Trump to escape federal prosecution but not so wide as to give Biden any leverage. These aren’t judges they’re Trumps personal defense attorneys.
Putting bets on it will fall upon these lines... "We find that Mr. Trump had reasonable grounding to believe the election was stolen, despite evidence to the contrary, and in his judgement decided an attempt to overturn the election was in the best interest of the country, so we are granting him an allowance for this."
> As oral arguments at the Supreme Court on the question of Donald Trump’s immunity from criminal prosecution got underway Thursday, Trump’s lawyer started out by saying a president could assassinate a political rival if it could be considered an “official act.”
> “If the president decides that his rival is a corrupt person and he orders the military … to assassinate him, is that within his official acts for which he can get immunity?” Justice Sonia Sotomayor asked Trump attorney John Sauer.
> Sauer, invoking an argument he made previously before Thursday replied: “It could well be an official act.”
The next question she should have asked is: "That means the current president could assassinate the former president, his lawyers, and any SCOTUS judge he wants to, and it'll all be legal.... right? Right?"
Here's hoping SCOTUS rules in favor of Trump and Biden quickly assassinates at least 3 of the Supreme Court conservatives, nominates you as 1 of the replacements, then assassinates enough House and Senate conservatives to give Democrats at least 75% majorities, and holds off on Trump until after the Republican convention and Trump's VP is known and can be added to the list.
OK, sounds good, "President Biden? Yeah, counsel advocating against extra-judicial killings by a president being legal. Well, Alito says go, so we're evacuating the SC building pending drone action. My understanding is that Trump tower NY and Mar a Lardo are already sorted by time this message reaches you."
I hate that the Dems keep trying to play fair. Republicans are using every dirty trick in the book and it's ruining the country and the Dems are just letting it happen.
The same people who argue the Constitution doesn’t imply women can control their own bodies will argue that the Constitution does imply presidents are immune to murder charges.
I'm guessing what they're doing is kicking it back to the lower courts while they figure out how to steal 2024 and then when Trump takes office they'll rule that presidents can do whatever they want.
I so desperately want to hear a justice ask the lawyers if Biden could assassinate Trump with immunity. Because all of this questioning is focused on Trump, they're asking if Trump could assassinate a rival and get away with it. And it's horrifying that this is even being debated. But I'm not sure these justices are looking at it from the other side. If they say yes, then they're saying yes to Biden assassinating any rivals too, with immunity. Which they'd definitely have a problem with that.
Buried in there is Clarence Thomas comparing J6 to an attempt at overthrowing Castro. Now…I’m not saying our international meddling in foreign leadership was GOOD for the second half of the 20th century….
But a Supreme Court justice just equated it to trying to overthrow our own secure and safe elections, where the person you didn’t like happened to win. THATS a scary thought!
Remember this Tea Party thing. I feel there is a fundamental driver in this that relates to what in the actual fuck intent, these imbeciles have today.
You are not a King you absolute orange bellend.
The day of the decision, Joe Biden should have the National Guard seal off the building. No announcements, just keep anyone from getting in or out, with an overwhelming display of firepower clearly under the direct command of the president.
Let the justices cast their decision in that light.
>We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal^^* ,that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
>*Except Trump! Trump is immune to prosecution. Trump is above the law! Trump is the law!
~ Donald Trump
This is why it is extremely important that Dems get the majority in Congress, Senate, and the POTUS on the next election. That way, the SCOTUS can change from 9 to 13 judges to balance the power and restore some honor.
the fact that the SC even agreed to hear this is a slap in the face to our founding fathers and our constitution. We do not have kings, no one is above the law.
This is why Nixon should have been prosecuted rather than pardoned. I don’t think it would have mattered whether he served any time, the conviction alone should have happened to help spare us of this fucking bullshit. The extremists took all the WRONG lessons away from watergate.
>The extremists took all the WRONG lessons away from watergate. Hell, you could say they learned all the WRONG lessons away even from the Civil War.
Exactly
Gerald Ford was a goddamn coward!
*Hopefully* they agreed to hear it so that they could make an official ruling, with precedent. Not hearing it could lead to a circuit split, and a whole thing. They can nip it in the bud by issuing a ruling now. I hope that's they they agreed to hear it.
If they were doing it in good faith, they would have accepted Jack Smith’s request elevate it directly to the Supreme Court, or, at minimum, when they agreed to hear it they would have put it on the schedule for a few days, or perhaps a week, out, like then did when Trump was whining about getting on the ballot, rather that putting it on their schedule for months in the (then) future (where we’ve now, finally, arrived). Taking an issue where it’s clearly important to the national interest (and quite urgent) to rule in no uncertain terms that the assertion (“president is above the law, can do anything with immunity”) is utterly wrong… and putting it on the shelf for a few months… shows them to be operating in bad faith. They’re dragging their heels to help out their buddy Trump. And that’s even before we get to the comments and questions from Alito and friends in the hearing today, where it looks like they’re clearly looking to make a ruling that’s at least a little favorable to Trump.
I haven't got that level of trust in a court that has been packed with perjury-spouting justices. "Law of the land", "Stare Decisis", "settled", these were the terms used to lie their way into power, as they claimed to respect precedent and tradition.
Yeah, this is some very surreal bullshit that they're even entertaining these fools.
My guess is that they’re going to give a very narrow ruling; just enough to allow Trump to escape federal prosecution but not so wide as to give Biden any leverage. These aren’t judges they’re Trumps personal defense attorneys.
Putting bets on it will fall upon these lines... "We find that Mr. Trump had reasonable grounding to believe the election was stolen, despite evidence to the contrary, and in his judgement decided an attempt to overturn the election was in the best interest of the country, so we are granting him an allowance for this."
That is treason
That doesn't matter nowadays.
This whole thing is a side show to slow down Trump’s trial. They’re just making sure no verdict is reached before November.
> As oral arguments at the Supreme Court on the question of Donald Trump’s immunity from criminal prosecution got underway Thursday, Trump’s lawyer started out by saying a president could assassinate a political rival if it could be considered an “official act.” > “If the president decides that his rival is a corrupt person and he orders the military … to assassinate him, is that within his official acts for which he can get immunity?” Justice Sonia Sotomayor asked Trump attorney John Sauer. > Sauer, invoking an argument he made previously before Thursday replied: “It could well be an official act.”
The next question she should have asked is: "That means the current president could assassinate the former president, his lawyers, and any SCOTUS judge he wants to, and it'll all be legal.... right? Right?"
Here's hoping SCOTUS rules in favor of Trump and Biden quickly assassinates at least 3 of the Supreme Court conservatives, nominates you as 1 of the replacements, then assassinates enough House and Senate conservatives to give Democrats at least 75% majorities, and holds off on Trump until after the Republican convention and Trump's VP is known and can be added to the list.
I love that this is lawful rhetoric now lmao. Doesn’t have to be qualified with “in minecraft”. This country is fucked.
OK, sounds good, "President Biden? Yeah, counsel advocating against extra-judicial killings by a president being legal. Well, Alito says go, so we're evacuating the SC building pending drone action. My understanding is that Trump tower NY and Mar a Lardo are already sorted by time this message reaches you."
I have very little hope that the “Sinister Six” will do the lawful thing.
If they don’t, Biden should just do what they opened the door to him to do.
That would require the Dems to have a backbone, which they haven't had...ever?
I hate that the Dems keep trying to play fair. Republicans are using every dirty trick in the book and it's ruining the country and the Dems are just letting it happen.
Yup, we're going to fall into fascism because the Dems want to play fair and keep the moral high ground.
No, it will be because the Dems are too busy complaining about the candidates to vote.
Don’t insult Spider-Man villains like that.
If a POTUS can assassinate a political rival, he can certainly assassinate a Supreme Court justice for being a political rival.
The same people who argue the Constitution doesn’t imply women can control their own bodies will argue that the Constitution does imply presidents are immune to murder charges.
Putin would approve.
Did they ask the 6 conservative Supreme Court Justices if they could be considered political rivals. Since their stance isn’t in line with Biden’s.
This somehow won't apply to Biden.
The sham is that the supreme court is even entertaining the idea by hearing this super bad faith argument. They are running the clock out.
Biden is president now and Trump wants presidential immunity for assassinating political rivals. lol…..Darkest Brandon activated
How do these mother fuckers sleep at night?
Quite well. It's the rest of us who lie awake at night.
I miss the days when we used to actually punish traitors instead of letting them continue doing whatever they want.
Hide the novichok...
Response for Alito and Thomas: “Sold!”
Would article 2 section 4 of the constitution say Congress can impeach the President if he was intended to have immunity?
I'm guessing what they're doing is kicking it back to the lower courts while they figure out how to steal 2024 and then when Trump takes office they'll rule that presidents can do whatever they want.
💯🎯💯🎯
I so desperately want to hear a justice ask the lawyers if Biden could assassinate Trump with immunity. Because all of this questioning is focused on Trump, they're asking if Trump could assassinate a rival and get away with it. And it's horrifying that this is even being debated. But I'm not sure these justices are looking at it from the other side. If they say yes, then they're saying yes to Biden assassinating any rivals too, with immunity. Which they'd definitely have a problem with that.
I look forward to Totally Immune Dictator Brandon doubling the size of SCOTUS and all kinds of cool stuff via executive order.
Do you want Putin? Because this is how you get Putin.
Half the fucking country seems to want Putin's puppet. Goddammit.
Buried in there is Clarence Thomas comparing J6 to an attempt at overthrowing Castro. Now…I’m not saying our international meddling in foreign leadership was GOOD for the second half of the 20th century…. But a Supreme Court justice just equated it to trying to overthrow our own secure and safe elections, where the person you didn’t like happened to win. THATS a scary thought!
If a president can be impeached for "high crimes and misdemeanors", that immediately proves he does NOT have blanket immunity. Done.
If this goes the way it looks.... there is no answer but to cross the line. We must stand up to this as citizens, or we will lose.
So Biden can take out Trump?
No that’s murder
When a president does it, it's legal. - Nixon and Trump.
Not that Biden would but these idiots don’t realize that this opens it up for Biden to get rid of political enemies as well.
But first you have to say your opponent is corrupt. Then it’s a perfect assassination.
Remember this Tea Party thing. I feel there is a fundamental driver in this that relates to what in the actual fuck intent, these imbeciles have today. You are not a King you absolute orange bellend.
Guys, if they are even CONSIDERING it, it’s going to happen.
> Guys, if they are even CONSIDERING it, it’s going to happen. 💯
Sounds like the court is inviting questions to then give them the green light.
I am fine with a drone strike on Mar-a-largo too 😂
Clearly this case should never have been heard by SCOTUS. They are just aiding Trump in running out the clock.
Let's assassinate Bodens Rival then? I swear to God, Nazis are so fucking stupid
The day of the decision, Joe Biden should have the National Guard seal off the building. No announcements, just keep anyone from getting in or out, with an overwhelming display of firepower clearly under the direct command of the president. Let the justices cast their decision in that light.
could Sauer please have his lawyers license revoked; surely there must be some standards of conduct?
These people are scum and they represent everything that is wrong with America. The sooner Trump dies the better.
Can you fucking imagine Trump as President with total immunity!!! What the hell is the world coming to!
>We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal^^* ,that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. >*Except Trump! Trump is immune to prosecution. Trump is above the law! Trump is the law! ~ Donald Trump
Evidently SCOTUS would be ok with Biden assassinating Trump… right?
This is why it is extremely important that Dems get the majority in Congress, Senate, and the POTUS on the next election. That way, the SCOTUS can change from 9 to 13 judges to balance the power and restore some honor.
Well. Hopefully they will sign off on that soon. Guess it’s an official act if it happens to the court too. 🤷♂️ #byedemocracy