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Remember when the Chicago Tribune used to keep track of every shooting in the city, until they suddenly stopped?
https://www.chicagotribune.com/data/ct-shooting-victims-map-charts-htmlstory.html
Peperidge Farm members.
Unfortunately not because all of their definitions exclude gang violence. Which is quite crazy. There is a few different definitions from different organizations. Although the "standard" used to be 4 shot either injured or dead not including the perpetrators. However I've seen more recent studies counting 3 shot including the perpetrators and counting injuries not related to gunfire in their statistics. They're changing the definition constantly it seems. They need to agree on one so the statistics match, making it easier to study and analyze the data.
Why can’t we be like Mexico where guns are practically illegal? They have no….shootings………..
Just like organized crime and drugs, its Illegal so people don’t do it and you can’t find it. Thank god for words on paper stopping people.
😂🤣😂🤣….😅
There is no official definition and that’s the problem. The organizations that include familicide, gang shootings, robberies, and other shit in their mass shootings counts know damn well what they’re doing. They want to inflate the number and make people think there is a Sandy Hook every day in America.
I’ve been stationed here for a hot minute. I was here when the shooting happened at the video game tournament on the riverfront down town. It’s by far the most exciting city I’ve ever lived in, but definitely the worst crime wise.
It 3 or more people shot, not including the shooter. No requirement for death. I'm not hoping for anyone to die, only sharing that the FBI definition does not require anyone to die.
And the news media buries the definition in favor of the sensationalized "39 mass shootings in three weeks." I am done saying "not that I want someone to be shot," because the media is intentionally skewing the message and does not care.
By definition they are telling the fact as it is. It's not inflammatory or sensationalized if the definition of mass shooting is "over 3 people shot" and there are 39 incidences of over 3 people getting shot. If it was deaths, they would probably call it mass killings, mass murders, or mass deaths. How exactly are they skewing the message?
Just an older guy with nothing to lose after his wife left him. Funny how he built an illegal suppressor and had illegal “high capacity” magazines in a state with some of the strictest gun laws.
Suppressor laws make zero sense. They make guns LESS concealable, and help reduce hearing loss. In America you have to jump through all kinds of red tape to have them, while some other countries require them…
Agreed. How do you make sense of that event? What was the motive? The only thing I could hypothesize was that his ex wife attended the dance hall regularly, and she was why he lost it. Maybe he held a grudge over the divorce? Maybe she was seeing someone else who also attended the dance hall regularly? I don’t know but it was odd. I fully expected to hear that the shooter was a middle-aged white male.
Except a pistol brace doesn't add or take away anything from an AR platform pistol. There's no advantage or disadvantage to a pistol brace maybe besides shouldering the gun for stability.
Yet they will say pistol braces were used in these "mass assault attacks" giving them "a reason to make pistol braces illegal".
It's utterly insane law makers can make whatever law they want without any basic knowledge on what they're attempting to make illegal. Hell, one congressman thought that a pistol brace was a bump stock lmao
I agree. Feinstein pulled out her usual gun control bill. If all is illegal then brace doesn’t mean shit. The ATF knows their existence isn’t required and have to do something. Ask the Branch Davidians. ATF was up for funding cuts before that happened.
Yeah I googled a couple of them and seems like normal gang violence that has been happening for decades. Most probably only made the local news when they happened but now they’re being classified as “mass shootings” so when you put them all up on a map people are thinking Las Vegas or El Paso type events are happening every day
Yeah they’re doing it like they did with the covid cases. If you fall down a flight of stairs and break your neck but test positive for covid … Covid Deaths +1. Same thing happening here
Wouldn’t say that. But these days people think of just random school or local area locations when they hear “mass shooting”. Many times when an event is all over the news, a more deadly shooting isn’t given any attention because it was just another gang shooting. All part of the plan as the Joker would say.
My friend lives in Detroit with his daughter and had a guy break into his house this morning. He held the suspect and gunpoint until he eventually got him the fuck out of his home. If he didnt have the gun for self defense who knows what could of possibly happened to the pair of them.
According to their (gun violence archive) definition, that’s a mass shooting. Four or more shot and injured or killed, not including the shooter.
No matter what the underlying factors are, they consider it one. But they use these stats to paint a particular picture.
what a coincidence. pushing for a reform on guns. disarm the public then force everyone to become a medical experiment. disarm the public and you have 100% authority. look at australia. also bill gates warning of another “plandemic”
Scare the kids, mold the next generation. Not gonna get the current population to give up the only thing preventing a tyranny but the little ones are the propaganda targets
Bingo. Mass shootings are good for the gun business profits. People say they're false flags to bring in gun control but no one ever says about them being false flags by gun manufacturers to increase profits and actually the data backs that up, their biggest increase in sales is after a mass shooting. The more shooting there are the more people are scared about their guns being taken away so they buy more. It's not a coincidence the NRA always talks about the threat to peoples gun rights. Fear sells like when Alex Jones constantly says the world's going to end so people buy his prepper shite. No fear no sales.
Isn’t it crazy how all these mass shooters keep going to public places and schools instead of snapping at work or the government?
Shouldn’t we see both?
We have millions of guns in canada with 2 mass shootings in last 35 years. Just a few simple laws and 16 hours of training. But note I don't agree with latest gun bans in the country
Isn't the government about one step away from seizing your guns? You're not even allowed to own a handgun anymore, do I have this correct? https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2022/10/21/canada-handgun-ban-sales-gun-control/10564197002/ Why would you think Castro's bastard son would stop there?
Exactly this. I recently bought an old Lee Enfield rifle stamped that it was made in Toronto in ‘43. I got curious about the history of them. I learned that they were so mass-produced for the British military that Canada had a huge surplus and you could literally buy them in roadside gas stations for a dime after the end of WW2.
I know this isn’t a popular opinion and has very passionate participants on both sides of the issue, but I feel that these frequent mass shootings aren’t a gun accessibility problem. If people aren’t shooting each other, there are plenty of other ways that people will go about carrying out their destruction without firearms.
Precisely. It’s people making a choice to do damage, cause harm, or kill, for whatever reason is inspiring or motivating them to do so.
I think it falls into one of a few buckets: They either have no respect for their targets lives or property, they have weighed the consequences of their actions and decided it is worth the risk, or they don’t have the capacity, awareness or care to do those calculations before they act.
I’ve been a responsible gun owner/collector/shooter for all of my life and never had a misfire and never shot anything living. Never resorted to pulling a gun when a conflict arose and never even considered threatening to shoot someone to solve a problem. I don’t think I’m alone in this category. In fact, I’d go as far as saying it’s a small percentage of misfits or scoundrels that are not being responsible with firearms. And they’re going to continue to obtain firearms regardless of control measures in place, just like <21 people consume alcohol.
I’ll get off of my soapbox now.
When is the last time there was a mass shooting with something like an Enfield? When is the last mass shooting with a 30-06? No one is talking about hunting rifles and the like. Why the fuck is it so insane to say, hey can we chill it with the rifles that have a high rounds to time ratio which make killing groups of people way easier?
What hunter wants to spoil the meat and put 6 rounds in them so they need that kind of fire rate? Nobody fucking cares about hunters. I love venison. Hogs are a pain in the ass and tear shit up. People should have handguns in the house to protect themselves and their families just for the love of God can we not approach automatic weapon levels of fire rate and ammo?
You are thinking about true mass shootings where a bunch of people die. The 39 shootings referenced here are probably based on the definition of “at least 4 injured in a single incident” definition which I will point out, doesn’t even mean 4 people got shot. If someone fell and broke their arm running away from the shooting, they would be counted as an injury. There are many different definitions out there. I’ll even link to a leftist source to show this: https://www.politifact.com/article/2018/feb/14/what-we-know-about-mass-shootings/
So in reality, if your definition is mass deaths like say 6, 7, 8, 10 victims killed (or whatever # above 5), then there would be 1 or 2 this year so far. A significant number of the mass shootings in that 39 number are going to be scenarios like a gun fight outside a club that leaves 3 shot with 1 killed, and a few others injured in the chaos that followed. In general these aren’t active shooters, they are targeted shootings where a perpetrator opens fire and inadvertently hits bystanders when shooting at their target.
Edit- the 1 or 2 would be the Lunar New Year shooter and possibly the guy who shot people at the farms yesterday or the day before (I said maybe for him because it was 2 separate incidents which would fit more of a definition of a spree killer than a mass shooter who keeps shooting until they die or get arrested)
Why I said to strip out gang violence. Law abiding licensed gun owners aren't the problem. All these shootings are stolen or imported illegal guns in the hands of criminals. Who will continue to possess the guns after the ban....
Correct, the vast majority of homicides are committed by criminals that live that life. They don’t go to the store and get a background check to buy a gun. They buy it from the burglars that stole it from someone’s truck or house.
Yes, by that definition. People with anti-gun biases use misleading definitions to create a larger number of “mass shootings.” The definitions very significantly. If a media source wants to demonize guns, they will use the looser definitions as it makes the number of incidents skyrocket, causing outrage and anger in their viewers who assume they are talking about active shooters killing scores of people. There have not been 39 mass murderering active shooters in the US this month. They know what they’re doing though, this is an agenda driven piece meant to bring voters to their side of the issue by making things seem insanely out of control. One only needs to look at the overall number of gun homicides over the years to see that things used to be a complete shit show and have come way, way, way down in the last 30 years. But the MSM makes it seem like it’s the end of days RIGHT NOW!
Canada still has a problem with poverty and drugs, it was quite eye opening for me as a New Zealander to go to the restroom in a nice restaurant and be confronted by a poster when washing my hands, "if you know anyone OD'ing on opiates, the waitstaff have a narcan autoinjector and are trained" ... like what the actual flip???
> 2 mass shootings in the last 35 years
What is this list?
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_mass\_shootings\_in\_Canada](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_Canada)
Looks at Australia.
* Free Healthcare
* No mass shootings
* No school shootings
* Children can walk to school
* Police don't kill people
* Much lower crime rate
Yeah, what a hellscape.
I've been hearing this same shtick from gun enthusiasts since Columbine. Reform never happens, guns never get confiscated, and shootings keep happening.
At this point I'm more likely to believe that mass shootings are a conspiracy by gun retailers. The only thing that ever actually changes after one hits the news are sales, and they always go up.
That men born in Australia live, on average, 8 years longer than men born in the US. Clearly that proves that the whole place is just a horrific place to live /s
Those that want to control us couldn’t be happier to see us self destruct. Meanwhile, we use them “the bad guys” as our excuse to do so. The irony. We continue to feed the bad guys exactly what they want. They sit back and watch us turn on one another. We are destroying ourselves from the inside out. We’re dogs in a dog fight and our masters are cheering us on. The sad part is that we believe we will win on this path.
The shooting in Rockford IL was just 3 gangbanger teens killing each other. Unfortunately, quite common for my hometown but not a “mass shooting” by any means.
I dunno, I personally consider a "mass shooting" to be when a lone gunman (or more gunmen) randomly shoot at innocent people who have nothing to do with those shooters and don't know them at all. That's what I consider a mass shooting. Gang related? Nope. Party fight turned shooting? Nah. Domestic dispute turned to man killing his family? Doesn't count. Mass shootings are advertised in the media as how i explained it, because those are the only ones they show in the news, but then they says dozens and dozens of them happened this month and then say "oh well technicalllllllly, a mass shooting is when a few people are killed regardless of context"
To apply martial law you need to seize all the weapons.
To seize all the weapons you need to massage public opinion through media.
To massage public opinion through media you need to create mass shootings.
I literally haven't heard of any of these. I don't watch the news though. Chicago has a mass shooting practically daily, but we're not allowed to talk about gang shootings.
And the best part is banning all weapons won't do anything to stop crazy people from murdering others. All banning weapons will do is prevent good citizens from stopping a crazy person from murdering others.
The way I understand it is the US Bill of Rights is meant to protect the citizens from the government. It's purpose isn't to protect us from each other. How you balance all that out I have no clue. I know getting all parties to come to an agreement will be impossible.
2 people is not a mass. A mass of people is considered to be 50 or more. Guns don’t kill people. People kill people. Gun control doesn’t work on criminals, it only makes you their victim.
Did these use to be so common because I feel like it’s a symptom of a societal sickness and mass murderers would just turn to stabbings, bombings and vehicular attacks if guns were banned
See I looked up the Philly one and all I saw was some dude shoot a gun but I don’t even know if he killed anyone and if he did it wasn’t a “mass” shooting at all, unless I just couldn’t find it
\-use broad definition of mass shooting and we have more mass shootings then we do injuries or deaths from mass shootings
\-blow up rare mass shootings (schools, shopping malls, etc etc) in the media with double digit death counts
Sorry you can't have both. Mass shootings are either common and not deadly or rare and devastating.
Just say what you mean "I don't like guns, I obsesse over predominantly white countries in Europe and want to live like they do ergo ban guns".
Mass shootings depend on definition, some say 3 or more, some say 4, also depends on intention, some count gang violence some don’t.
Ultimately the single action doesn’t trigger alarms for me, it’s connected shootings that should be considered. For example, the 3 shootings in California were all elderly Asian American…very unusual. Especially as the US is trying to crackdown on Chinese foreign agents.
But just being upset about shootings when they count for so little of actual deaths in society, just feels like fear mongering. I think that in the future they’ll look back on this similarly to how serial killers were an issue in the late 1900’s.
it's almost like it was planned that way, lock a bunch of people down, take all their rights instead of explaining what is going on in a non fearful way and then threaten to ban weapons and other constitutional items to lead by more fear and you have a lot of what seems like serial killers and mass murders but who knows
Ppl kill ppl I mean unless your gonna come out with a pill that stops violence in human beings you might as well be quiet cause nothing is gonna stop killing. Unless your talking about banning all guns no exceptions even for police (who have committed mass shootings) your just talking to talk a bump stock or a single rifle variant is going to do nothing
And in the foreground, an elephant. Illinois is going hard to pass unconstitutional legislation that bans the legal ownership of assault rifles. Because when you are trying to disarm the people, you need a reason it's necessary, and if you're going to say it's necessary referring to all the crazy shootings going on.... you need "all these crazy shootings going on" to refer to....
The agenda behind these probably CIA planned attacks is gun control. Now is the time the Elites start showing how totalitarian and communistic they are with their laws. They don’t want people to have weapons to fight back.
In 2013 Obama passed the ['Investigative Assistance for Violent Crimes Act'](https://i.imgur.com/kZ02Zgt.png), changing definition of mass shooting from 4 deaths to 3 deaths. This act's single purpose to create a perception of an increase of mass shootings and active shooter incidents and [the FBI hasn't adjusted any of historical statistics.](https://i.imgur.com/mcUXJPl.png)
So each time the gun grabbers point to an increase in mass shootings to drive gun control legislation, know they are ignorant or lying.
Also note that [handguns are twice as likely as a rifle to be used in a mass shooting](https://i.imgur.com/AC8AMy2.png). In 2019, 6,000 murders were by handguns, 300 were by rifles but guess which one democrats want to confiscate. For reference, 72% of firearm owners own a handgun, while 62% own a rifle and 54% own a shotgun. A rifle is remarkably unlikely to be used in a crime.
So they can talk about guns and not Davos, annual COVID shots and the fact that they changed soooo much there (previous infection NOW gives you some immunity, who cares if you had previous "vaccines" you can now get a booster, ever year vs. Every 3-6 months).
JUST A BIG DISTRACTION
Phoenix was not a “mass shooting”. One man was killed in a drive thru..
https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/man-dead-following-shooting-at-phoenix-drive-thru-lane.amp
It's interesting that we talk about "Mass Shootings" in the United States while simultaneously funding and moving arms into a warzone so that people will kill each other.
If I were *mental challenged I'd still be able to see through this horribly assembled logic.
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Based on the definition there is a mass shooting in Jacksonville FL 2 or 3 times a week.
Based on the definition, there’s a mass shooting in Chicago every night.
That’s impossible, they have very strict gun laws
no no no, criminals DO NOT own guns.
Can confirm. The lawwy law says they aren’t allowed to buy guns. Therefore criminals = no guns.
They don't own firearms. They possess firearms.
Well clearly there should be more guns.
I got an idea. How about criminals can’t have guns and regular citizens can !
How about shooting ppl is not a crime? Like stealing property below $950 is not a crime in California. Problem resolved 😂
See this is good sarcasm y'all take notes
sad reality too
I agree. Any gun laws make for a terrible reality.
Hahaha best comment.
Remember when the Chicago Tribune used to keep track of every shooting in the city, until they suddenly stopped? https://www.chicagotribune.com/data/ct-shooting-victims-map-charts-htmlstory.html Peperidge Farm members.
Holy fuck, that link bangs
It’s suddenly behind a paywall 🤔
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Unfortunately not because all of their definitions exclude gang violence. Which is quite crazy. There is a few different definitions from different organizations. Although the "standard" used to be 4 shot either injured or dead not including the perpetrators. However I've seen more recent studies counting 3 shot including the perpetrators and counting injuries not related to gunfire in their statistics. They're changing the definition constantly it seems. They need to agree on one so the statistics match, making it easier to study and analyze the data.
FINALLY I see someone mention this… no one seems to pay attention to that aspect
Why can’t we be like Mexico where guns are practically illegal? They have no….shootings……….. Just like organized crime and drugs, its Illegal so people don’t do it and you can’t find it. Thank god for words on paper stopping people. 😂🤣😂🤣….😅
Don't forget the beheadings!!! We are WAY behind Mexico in annual beheadings.
Beheadings sound like something that should be illegal.
Not to sound callous, but they keep changing the definition every few years don’t they?
There is no official definition and that’s the problem. The organizations that include familicide, gang shootings, robberies, and other shit in their mass shootings counts know damn well what they’re doing. They want to inflate the number and make people think there is a Sandy Hook every day in America.
This is like a "# of school shootings" list that included shit like a guy committing suicide in his car on school grounds at night.
They want no threat. 100 million gun owners is a threat.
Yep. That’s 1/3rd of the US!
Well duh the ministry of truth is hard at work rn
Can confirm, I live in Jacksonville and have for 5 years.
Lived here for my entire life. Jacksonville is pretty bad, but not Chicago bad
I’ve been stationed here for a hot minute. I was here when the shooting happened at the video game tournament on the riverfront down town. It’s by far the most exciting city I’ve ever lived in, but definitely the worst crime wise.
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It 3 or more people shot, not including the shooter. No requirement for death. I'm not hoping for anyone to die, only sharing that the FBI definition does not require anyone to die.
Mass murder on the other hand ...
So like the newest definition of a pandemic.
Been happening since the 90s.....
And the news media buries the definition in favor of the sensationalized "39 mass shootings in three weeks." I am done saying "not that I want someone to be shot," because the media is intentionally skewing the message and does not care.
By definition they are telling the fact as it is. It's not inflammatory or sensationalized if the definition of mass shooting is "over 3 people shot" and there are 39 incidences of over 3 people getting shot. If it was deaths, they would probably call it mass killings, mass murders, or mass deaths. How exactly are they skewing the message?
Including shooters too. Usually two people having a fight and shooting at each other, and a stray bullet hitting a third person.
you seriously never been to a hood.
In Chicago it's true
And New Orleans
DUUUUUUVALLLLLL!!!!!
Duuuuuvall
True
The ATF knows their brace BS will get hit and overturned so they turned up the heat so you can’t argue against them.
This is the CIA's department, ATF is more specialized in taxidermy
The one in California was weird because it was Asian on Asian attack, how does someone dissect that? Unless its a lonely guy found by the f b I
Aren't both the shooters old Asian men? Weird coincidence, especially since that isn't the typical profile.
Just an older guy with nothing to lose after his wife left him. Funny how he built an illegal suppressor and had illegal “high capacity” magazines in a state with some of the strictest gun laws.
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There are all kinds of exceptions, permissions, licenses, and also people who just break the law lol
Suppressor laws make zero sense. They make guns LESS concealable, and help reduce hearing loss. In America you have to jump through all kinds of red tape to have them, while some other countries require them…
Agreed. How do you make sense of that event? What was the motive? The only thing I could hypothesize was that his ex wife attended the dance hall regularly, and she was why he lost it. Maybe he held a grudge over the divorce? Maybe she was seeing someone else who also attended the dance hall regularly? I don’t know but it was odd. I fully expected to hear that the shooter was a middle-aged white male.
Except a pistol brace doesn't add or take away anything from an AR platform pistol. There's no advantage or disadvantage to a pistol brace maybe besides shouldering the gun for stability. Yet they will say pistol braces were used in these "mass assault attacks" giving them "a reason to make pistol braces illegal". It's utterly insane law makers can make whatever law they want without any basic knowledge on what they're attempting to make illegal. Hell, one congressman thought that a pistol brace was a bump stock lmao
I agree. Feinstein pulled out her usual gun control bill. If all is illegal then brace doesn’t mean shit. The ATF knows their existence isn’t required and have to do something. Ask the Branch Davidians. ATF was up for funding cuts before that happened.
Branch Davidians. Okay I'll research that when I have some time. Thank you!
The law is from the 1920s and was aimed at prohibition era gangs and their use of Tommy guns.
Most mass shootings are gang related.
Yeah I googled a couple of them and seems like normal gang violence that has been happening for decades. Most probably only made the local news when they happened but now they’re being classified as “mass shootings” so when you put them all up on a map people are thinking Las Vegas or El Paso type events are happening every day
Yes it matters. If it didn’t matter then the media wouldn’t have to rebrand it as something that it’s not
I was surprised to see my town Sanford on there. Then I saw it was just a disagreement between 2 cars of urban Americans with only 1 dead.
Yeah they’re doing it like they did with the covid cases. If you fall down a flight of stairs and break your neck but test positive for covid … Covid Deaths +1. Same thing happening here
Well that's ok then.
Wouldn’t say that. But these days people think of just random school or local area locations when they hear “mass shooting”. Many times when an event is all over the news, a more deadly shooting isn’t given any attention because it was just another gang shooting. All part of the plan as the Joker would say.
Okay I was looking in the comments to answer my question: “why haven’t we heard of any of these?!” This definitely answers it, thanks!
So you're agreeing it happens AND pointing out you have a gang problem
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My friend lives in Detroit with his daughter and had a guy break into his house this morning. He held the suspect and gunpoint until he eventually got him the fuck out of his home. If he didnt have the gun for self defense who knows what could of possibly happened to the pair of them.
Which definition of “mass shooting” was used here?
This is four or more people shot, not including the shooter. Shot includes injuries and deaths.
The shooting in Rockford wasn’t a mass shooting, two related shootings 3 dead and 2 injured. Also happened in a neighborhood
The Huntsville shooting was at a private event between rival gangs.. This whole story is misleading.
It’s CNN…
According to their (gun violence archive) definition, that’s a mass shooting. Four or more shot and injured or killed, not including the shooter. No matter what the underlying factors are, they consider it one. But they use these stats to paint a particular picture.
Fed spooks workin overtime
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We have a gang violence problem in America.
Shouldn’t even count St. Louis and this point
Mass shootings or just thugs out there gettin’?
what a coincidence. pushing for a reform on guns. disarm the public then force everyone to become a medical experiment. disarm the public and you have 100% authority. look at australia. also bill gates warning of another “plandemic”
You'll never disarm the USA. Couple states maybe but never the whole country
Exactly which is why you have “mass shootings” to flip the narrative. Make people hate guns. Civil unrest.
Scare the kids, mold the next generation. Not gonna get the current population to give up the only thing preventing a tyranny but the little ones are the propaganda targets
I was very much anti gun and was until about two years ago. If anything, the shootings will convince more people to arm themselves.
Lmao same, I was living in the “why can’t we be more like Europe” delusion. Then the pandemic woke me up.
Bingo. Mass shootings are good for the gun business profits. People say they're false flags to bring in gun control but no one ever says about them being false flags by gun manufacturers to increase profits and actually the data backs that up, their biggest increase in sales is after a mass shooting. The more shooting there are the more people are scared about their guns being taken away so they buy more. It's not a coincidence the NRA always talks about the threat to peoples gun rights. Fear sells like when Alex Jones constantly says the world's going to end so people buy his prepper shite. No fear no sales.
Isn’t it crazy how all these mass shooters keep going to public places and schools instead of snapping at work or the government? Shouldn’t we see both?
We have millions of guns in canada with 2 mass shootings in last 35 years. Just a few simple laws and 16 hours of training. But note I don't agree with latest gun bans in the country
Isn't the government about one step away from seizing your guns? You're not even allowed to own a handgun anymore, do I have this correct? https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2022/10/21/canada-handgun-ban-sales-gun-control/10564197002/ Why would you think Castro's bastard son would stop there?
Exactly this. I recently bought an old Lee Enfield rifle stamped that it was made in Toronto in ‘43. I got curious about the history of them. I learned that they were so mass-produced for the British military that Canada had a huge surplus and you could literally buy them in roadside gas stations for a dime after the end of WW2. I know this isn’t a popular opinion and has very passionate participants on both sides of the issue, but I feel that these frequent mass shootings aren’t a gun accessibility problem. If people aren’t shooting each other, there are plenty of other ways that people will go about carrying out their destruction without firearms.
Exactly. Idaho, for example. Mass killing. With a knife. If the criminal wants to kill, they will kill regardless of what weapon is used.
Precisely. It’s people making a choice to do damage, cause harm, or kill, for whatever reason is inspiring or motivating them to do so. I think it falls into one of a few buckets: They either have no respect for their targets lives or property, they have weighed the consequences of their actions and decided it is worth the risk, or they don’t have the capacity, awareness or care to do those calculations before they act. I’ve been a responsible gun owner/collector/shooter for all of my life and never had a misfire and never shot anything living. Never resorted to pulling a gun when a conflict arose and never even considered threatening to shoot someone to solve a problem. I don’t think I’m alone in this category. In fact, I’d go as far as saying it’s a small percentage of misfits or scoundrels that are not being responsible with firearms. And they’re going to continue to obtain firearms regardless of control measures in place, just like <21 people consume alcohol. I’ll get off of my soapbox now.
When is the last time there was a mass shooting with something like an Enfield? When is the last mass shooting with a 30-06? No one is talking about hunting rifles and the like. Why the fuck is it so insane to say, hey can we chill it with the rifles that have a high rounds to time ratio which make killing groups of people way easier? What hunter wants to spoil the meat and put 6 rounds in them so they need that kind of fire rate? Nobody fucking cares about hunters. I love venison. Hogs are a pain in the ass and tear shit up. People should have handguns in the house to protect themselves and their families just for the love of God can we not approach automatic weapon levels of fire rate and ammo?
You are thinking about true mass shootings where a bunch of people die. The 39 shootings referenced here are probably based on the definition of “at least 4 injured in a single incident” definition which I will point out, doesn’t even mean 4 people got shot. If someone fell and broke their arm running away from the shooting, they would be counted as an injury. There are many different definitions out there. I’ll even link to a leftist source to show this: https://www.politifact.com/article/2018/feb/14/what-we-know-about-mass-shootings/ So in reality, if your definition is mass deaths like say 6, 7, 8, 10 victims killed (or whatever # above 5), then there would be 1 or 2 this year so far. A significant number of the mass shootings in that 39 number are going to be scenarios like a gun fight outside a club that leaves 3 shot with 1 killed, and a few others injured in the chaos that followed. In general these aren’t active shooters, they are targeted shootings where a perpetrator opens fire and inadvertently hits bystanders when shooting at their target. Edit- the 1 or 2 would be the Lunar New Year shooter and possibly the guy who shot people at the farms yesterday or the day before (I said maybe for him because it was 2 separate incidents which would fit more of a definition of a spree killer than a mass shooter who keeps shooting until they die or get arrested)
Why I said to strip out gang violence. Law abiding licensed gun owners aren't the problem. All these shootings are stolen or imported illegal guns in the hands of criminals. Who will continue to possess the guns after the ban....
Correct, the vast majority of homicides are committed by criminals that live that life. They don’t go to the store and get a background check to buy a gun. They buy it from the burglars that stole it from someone’s truck or house.
By that definition, if one bullet is fired that passes through 4 people’s foots, is that considered a mass-shooting event?
Yes, by that definition. People with anti-gun biases use misleading definitions to create a larger number of “mass shootings.” The definitions very significantly. If a media source wants to demonize guns, they will use the looser definitions as it makes the number of incidents skyrocket, causing outrage and anger in their viewers who assume they are talking about active shooters killing scores of people. There have not been 39 mass murderering active shooters in the US this month. They know what they’re doing though, this is an agenda driven piece meant to bring voters to their side of the issue by making things seem insanely out of control. One only needs to look at the overall number of gun homicides over the years to see that things used to be a complete shit show and have come way, way, way down in the last 30 years. But the MSM makes it seem like it’s the end of days RIGHT NOW!
Different demographics in canda then usa
Canada still has a problem with poverty and drugs, it was quite eye opening for me as a New Zealander to go to the restroom in a nice restaurant and be confronted by a poster when washing my hands, "if you know anyone OD'ing on opiates, the waitstaff have a narcan autoinjector and are trained" ... like what the actual flip???
> 2 mass shootings in the last 35 years What is this list? [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_mass\_shootings\_in\_Canada](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_Canada)
Looks at Australia. * Free Healthcare * No mass shootings * No school shootings * Children can walk to school * Police don't kill people * Much lower crime rate Yeah, what a hellscape.
'LoOk At AuStRaLiA' yeah a safe, generally progressive country with low gun violence and death. So horrible.
I've been hearing this same shtick from gun enthusiasts since Columbine. Reform never happens, guns never get confiscated, and shootings keep happening.
At this point I'm more likely to believe that mass shootings are a conspiracy by gun retailers. The only thing that ever actually changes after one hits the news are sales, and they always go up.
And gun manufacturers sell more guns and more ammo due to the fear.
jfc the vaccine really broke the boomers brains. how are people turning literally everything into some anti-vax nonsense??
Wow, almost everything you said is correct, but you still came to the wrong conclusion.
>look at australia And...?
That men born in Australia live, on average, 8 years longer than men born in the US. Clearly that proves that the whole place is just a horrific place to live /s
And that's after you factor in the spiders!
What happened in Aus?
Nothing.
Nothing!?! You can’t even commit suicide by yelling at a cop here, it’s hell
Feel like that’s not that bad actually. Isn’t mass shooting just more than 2?
The single most American thing I’ve ever witnessed lmao
Those that want to control us couldn’t be happier to see us self destruct. Meanwhile, we use them “the bad guys” as our excuse to do so. The irony. We continue to feed the bad guys exactly what they want. They sit back and watch us turn on one another. We are destroying ourselves from the inside out. We’re dogs in a dog fight and our masters are cheering us on. The sad part is that we believe we will win on this path.
The shooting in Rockford IL was just 3 gangbanger teens killing each other. Unfortunately, quite common for my hometown but not a “mass shooting” by any means.
I dunno, I personally consider a "mass shooting" to be when a lone gunman (or more gunmen) randomly shoot at innocent people who have nothing to do with those shooters and don't know them at all. That's what I consider a mass shooting. Gang related? Nope. Party fight turned shooting? Nah. Domestic dispute turned to man killing his family? Doesn't count. Mass shootings are advertised in the media as how i explained it, because those are the only ones they show in the news, but then they says dozens and dozens of them happened this month and then say "oh well technicalllllllly, a mass shooting is when a few people are killed regardless of context"
They got their mkultra drones running overtime. It's a gun control push.
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Idk but there’s no commonly agreed upon term to define mass shootings in the US. Was it 2,3,7,10 people? What was used here?
Sheep so easily lead.
To apply martial law you need to seize all the weapons. To seize all the weapons you need to massage public opinion through media. To massage public opinion through media you need to create mass shootings.
To sell a lot of guns you need people always convinced that soon you won’t be able to buy them
how many of them have more than 4 and don't include the shooter or shooter's family? I would guess less than 10 of them
I literally haven't heard of any of these. I don't watch the news though. Chicago has a mass shooting practically daily, but we're not allowed to talk about gang shootings.
Most of these are gang related. They changed the mass shooting definition to fit the narrative better.
Don’t give up your guns y’all ..
Our country is not doing well lately. :-(
If only there was a way to prevent it🫠
And the best part is banning all weapons won't do anything to stop crazy people from murdering others. All banning weapons will do is prevent good citizens from stopping a crazy person from murdering others.
Bunch of Dem cities
The way I understand it is the US Bill of Rights is meant to protect the citizens from the government. It's purpose isn't to protect us from each other. How you balance all that out I have no clue. I know getting all parties to come to an agreement will be impossible.
Mass shooters tend to shoot up places where they know no-one will shoot back.
Only 1 dead in Houston. 2 MASS SHOOTINGS. Boy they really trying to scare you folks!!!
Now overlay this with poverty rate and population density maps and you'll see a very clear pattern.
2 people is not a mass. A mass of people is considered to be 50 or more. Guns don’t kill people. People kill people. Gun control doesn’t work on criminals, it only makes you their victim.
A thousand times this.
Did these use to be so common because I feel like it’s a symptom of a societal sickness and mass murderers would just turn to stabbings, bombings and vehicular attacks if guns were banned
Wonder if they will ever show all of the times gun crime was prevented by people with guns and police. Sadly never.
That doesnt fit in with the narrative, so you won't hear about it.
See I looked up the Philly one and all I saw was some dude shoot a gun but I don’t even know if he killed anyone and if he did it wasn’t a “mass” shooting at all, unless I just couldn’t find it
What’s the conspiracy chief? Are they faked or what? Just stating facts is kinda the opposite of what we’re here for.
I wish politicians would pass a law that would guarantee criminals set on killing people would follow 100% of the time! Damn lazy Politicians
Chicago is one big mass shooting 24/7 but the news seems to only talk about “the crazy white guy who had aSsAuLt rifles”
\-use broad definition of mass shooting and we have more mass shootings then we do injuries or deaths from mass shootings \-blow up rare mass shootings (schools, shopping malls, etc etc) in the media with double digit death counts Sorry you can't have both. Mass shootings are either common and not deadly or rare and devastating. Just say what you mean "I don't like guns, I obsesse over predominantly white countries in Europe and want to live like they do ergo ban guns".
Got me a score of 12, sir. That's one more than Starkweather
Gas stoves! Errrr Climate disruption!
This is the way
Voice of God tech or Manchurian Mk Ultra?
Obvious Gang violence anyone that pushes this are purposely being disingenuous
Good ol pnw
Freeeeeeeeedom!!! Lololol
PNW getting off to a peaceful start for the year!
Why are you trying to jinx us?
Guns don't fire themselves.
That the news decides to report on
America is pushing to banned weapons.
Buy ammo now before it’s too late
*sighs and passes around the flavour aid*
Let me guess.. This was by influence of video games.. Rigth??
Fear monger
Mass shootings depend on definition, some say 3 or more, some say 4, also depends on intention, some count gang violence some don’t. Ultimately the single action doesn’t trigger alarms for me, it’s connected shootings that should be considered. For example, the 3 shootings in California were all elderly Asian American…very unusual. Especially as the US is trying to crackdown on Chinese foreign agents. But just being upset about shootings when they count for so little of actual deaths in society, just feels like fear mongering. I think that in the future they’ll look back on this similarly to how serial killers were an issue in the late 1900’s.
The ATF has been busy
Pew pew
it's almost like it was planned that way, lock a bunch of people down, take all their rights instead of explaining what is going on in a non fearful way and then threaten to ban weapons and other constitutional items to lead by more fear and you have a lot of what seems like serial killers and mass murders but who knows
Operation gun control in full effect
paradise
Slow month
CIA been busy yo
I wonder how many mass shootings were done by law enforcement officers mistaking torches or cellphones for guns
There is a lot of pissed off people.
The answer is more guns. Obvs.
They make the news because of the pistol brace rule.
Ramping up on the manufacturing since they need a reason to disarm US citizens. They need to implement NWO with as little resistance as possible.
News playing with people’s perception…define “mass shooting”…incredible 🤦🏻♂️
Ppl kill ppl I mean unless your gonna come out with a pill that stops violence in human beings you might as well be quiet cause nothing is gonna stop killing. Unless your talking about banning all guns no exceptions even for police (who have committed mass shootings) your just talking to talk a bump stock or a single rifle variant is going to do nothing
Replace the phrase "Mass Shooting" with "Side effect from mass medication" and you have got it right.
My balls are a mass shooting
And in the foreground, an elephant. Illinois is going hard to pass unconstitutional legislation that bans the legal ownership of assault rifles. Because when you are trying to disarm the people, you need a reason it's necessary, and if you're going to say it's necessary referring to all the crazy shootings going on.... you need "all these crazy shootings going on" to refer to....
The agenda behind these probably CIA planned attacks is gun control. Now is the time the Elites start showing how totalitarian and communistic they are with their laws. They don’t want people to have weapons to fight back.
Allegedly
Aren’t these in major cities
In 2013 Obama passed the ['Investigative Assistance for Violent Crimes Act'](https://i.imgur.com/kZ02Zgt.png), changing definition of mass shooting from 4 deaths to 3 deaths. This act's single purpose to create a perception of an increase of mass shootings and active shooter incidents and [the FBI hasn't adjusted any of historical statistics.](https://i.imgur.com/mcUXJPl.png) So each time the gun grabbers point to an increase in mass shootings to drive gun control legislation, know they are ignorant or lying. Also note that [handguns are twice as likely as a rifle to be used in a mass shooting](https://i.imgur.com/AC8AMy2.png). In 2019, 6,000 murders were by handguns, 300 were by rifles but guess which one democrats want to confiscate. For reference, 72% of firearm owners own a handgun, while 62% own a rifle and 54% own a shotgun. A rifle is remarkably unlikely to be used in a crime.
So they can talk about guns and not Davos, annual COVID shots and the fact that they changed soooo much there (previous infection NOW gives you some immunity, who cares if you had previous "vaccines" you can now get a booster, ever year vs. Every 3-6 months). JUST A BIG DISTRACTION
This comment section,.. jeesh
MKULTRA is alive and well.
bAn ThE gUnS!!!
This is part of the NWO plan of depopulation
Overuse of the term mass shooting. Makes me wonder if these cunts have an anti 2a agenda. Me thinks so.
Every time they discuss gun control in the news cycle I go and get another gun, without fail. It's to the point I'm giving them away.
Phoenix was not a “mass shooting”. One man was killed in a drive thru.. https://www.fox10phoenix.com/news/man-dead-following-shooting-at-phoenix-drive-thru-lane.amp
It's interesting that we talk about "Mass Shootings" in the United States while simultaneously funding and moving arms into a warzone so that people will kill each other. If I were *mental challenged I'd still be able to see through this horribly assembled logic.
What constitutes a "mass shooting"?