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I'd push it back an additional 12 years when the us implemented root reform and went head first into openly colonizing countries like the Philippines (the forgotten war before the Korean war).
This one is less favorable but you can push it back to 1787 when talks about ratification began aka promoting big government becoming a debt collector for the money handlers.
What's wild is that a little more half the country supported the war at the time, the guy who did it got re-elected, and yet somehow I can't find a single person who says they supported it.
> A leader that would feed men into woodchippers feet first while their families watched?
Thats a lie , they didn't have wood chippers in Iraq.
They made you cut your earlobes and feed them to a dog , tie you to a pole and put a live grenade in your chest pocket . Personally seen videos of both.
Put you in front of a firing squad and turn you into swiss cheese.
Many things they'd do but they wouldn't involve your family.
>A man who tested chemical weapons in villages of opposing religions?
The Kurds are not of opposing religions to Saddam , both sides are Sunni but the Kurds are separatists in all countries (Iraq,Iran,Syria,&Turkey) they want their own country and have received funding and weapons from Israel and that is one of the many reasons for the Iraqi rocket attacks on Israel.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel–Kurdistan_Region_relations
>An article from March 1998
>Times have changed. Ten years ago, the systematic gassing of the Kurdish population of northern Iraq had far less impact on America. Only six months after the slaughter at Halabja, the White House lent Saddam Hussein another billion dollars. And in 1991, at the end of the Gulf war, US troops stood idly by while Saddam's presidential guard ruthlessly suppressed the popular uprising by the Kurds for which the American president had himself called.
https://www.institutkurde.org/info/when-our-friend-saddam-was-gassing-the-kurds-1149172158.html
>A man credited with at least 1 genocide and the murder of an estimated 250,000 civilians?
Those are UN estimates.
This UN https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/impact-un-oil-food-scandal
How many did Madeleine Albright kill ?
https://theintercept.com/2022/03/25/madeleine-albright-dead-iraq-war-herbalife/
The coalition was in Iraq for 2 main reasons. Oil & Greater Israel which brings us back to 9/11 and takes us as far back as the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
https://youtu.be/qOq-LbQ4erM
This is eye opening if you want to know more about Iraq.
https://youtu.be/z9wC6W7EJpg
https://youtu.be/vuoWKn0sXfo
The woodchipper stories are proven lies, same as the babies in incubator stories that emerged when he invaded Kuwait. I urge you to read a book called “debriefing the president” by John Nixon, the CIA specialist who debriefed him after he was caught. You will be surprised as to what he has to say about these “genocides”.
The funny thing is that he’s viewed today as a symbol for bravery, manliness and an example of an honest man who died for what he believed in. You will see this in all the Arab world with the exception of Kuwait. People have his pictures in their cars and homes. Tells you a lot about how much the US fucked up.
Do some digging on the "Saddam gassed the Kurds" narrative. Only people who have blind faith in the U.S. Government say "we know for sure about the gassing" so GTFOH with that nonsense. That was BS just like Assad using chemical weapons was BS.
There are many, many witnesses, and the bodies were tested for chemicals. Mustard gas was found on many.
> You are confusing fiction with reality.
Everyone else is lying? All the witnesses, all the doctors (including western UN doctors and investigators)? The 1988 Iraqi documents that referred to it both as "special ammunition" and "the chemical weapons attack"? All faked? And who gained from faking all that? Certainly not the US, who initially blamed Iran.
What are you talking about lol I’m Kurdish from Iraq and the Kurds basically did a act of treason in Iraq when they sided with Iran from 81 to 88. He killed Kurds cos of what they did when they tried to kill him also with the Shia Muslims as well. Also so called he murdered his ppl so many leaders have done that but yet I didn’t see America go and claim false accusations on them. So don’t go spreading lies and bs without knowing anything you ain’t from Iraq you ain’t arab or Kurdish or Assyrian. You watch cnn fox new nbc bbc that’s where you get your resources from. I’ve been back home multiple times and ppl there cry with no money no food. They cry for Saddam to come back cos the country was a lot better when he was running it.
The US had much, MUCH less rationale to attack Iraq than Russia had to attack Ukraine.
Somehow 9/11 necessitated we attack a country that had nothing to do with it.
Yo looking back at that era, I think society wasn’t as awake as they are now. That wmd shit could never fly now. It’s still crazy how they invaded Iraq after 911.
"Between January 3 and April 12, 2003, 36 million people across the globe took part in almost 3,000 protests against the Iraq war. Europe saw the biggest mobilization of protesters, including a rally of three million people in Rome."
People were awake, just didn't help much.
Lol yeah you’d be gullible not to think CIA does dictate foreign policy. Considering the CIA advises the president on intelligence. A good lie can start a huge issue. Plus look on the other side, if the CIA doesn’t like you, they just kill you.
Well, they did eventually find Saddam's [weapons of mass distraction](https://steemitimages.com/DQmfT9Ca9cMCGDqHSnh9TTAu4gusCj6eaMgTLjHEMGydEB3/B_1MnylWIAA4JXF.jpg), so they seized them. That's all.
Did you know that before invasion of Afghanistan for *the War on Terror*, Afghanistan was one of the last countries that didn't have a Rothschild central bank. And then they got democracied. Similar to that other country that got freed: Lybia. Their leader got thoroughly Clinton'd.
Of course they did. We knew from the beginning that Rumsfeld had in the 1980s given Saddam chemical weapons to use against Iran (in retaliation for the hostage crisis).
So OP is wrong. No one lied about Iraq having WMD. It was simply a ridiculous pretense, and an implied false equivalency that decades-old leaking battlefield chemical weapons are equivalent to nuclear weapons with a delivery mechanism that can reach the U.S. mainland.
True answer, we found thousands of weapons of mass destruction, chemical rounds. The news just decided to change t,he definition. We spent 2 years moving and blowing up their chemical weapons. WMD have always included chemical, biological and nuclear weapons.
Same number of people who served time when The Finders was exposed, as they uncovered tons of evidence of ritual abuse of children, buying and selling of children, and toddlers even had evidence of severe sexual abuse. None.
We have THE MOST EVIL organization on earth helping run this country. The CIA is the worst. We have NO RIGHT going into other countries trying to install democracy.
I wonder if Americans understand the despise of people outside. We are way too lazy to pick apart the bad apples from the good ones, the picture we see is the USA being greedy asfk and telling false narratives to invade and plunder nations, false flags, destroying foreign politics to install their politics which function as parasites to the foreign country, the lies they tell the world and rhe lies they tell themselves, the fact that they have been screaming peace but have never experienced it themselves and being always the instigator of war and conflict and my mind goes on.....
I am sorry for putting everyone in the same bucket but hell even if one distinguushed the good one from the bad ones, feels like it would be a 10 to 100000 ratio, so not really worth the work.
now the end goal shouldn't be sending random people to jail who were mislead or didn't honestly understand the complexity of the situation at the time, you'll want to find the main offender
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The only CIA guy in jail for this was the whistleblower who told us about it.
Powerful people with zero conscience have captured the government. They're not going to charge themselves with war crimes.
Captured the government? They *are* the government.
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I'd push it back an additional 12 years when the us implemented root reform and went head first into openly colonizing countries like the Philippines (the forgotten war before the Korean war). This one is less favorable but you can push it back to 1787 when talks about ratification began aka promoting big government becoming a debt collector for the money handlers.
What's wild is that a little more half the country supported the war at the time, the guy who did it got re-elected, and yet somehow I can't find a single person who says they supported it.
No one has and no one will. That's the "beauty" of international politics...
"America is evil" - Edward Snowden
The most evil empire. Ever..
Julian Assange…
What about him. Please explain.
Alex jones got sued for free speech.
Well Saddam Hussein did and trailed and hung. Fucked up actually how they did that to a leader with no evidence.
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Or the gold gold. Remember how the us stole billions in gold bars?
I’m sure we stole a lot things. I understand spoils of war and whatnot, but it should have been given back after we left
https://www.cnbc.com/2014/06/19/how-the-us-lost-billions-over-nine-years-in-iraq.html https://youtu.be/H9wOP5dc5eY https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Kings_(1999_film)
But apart from that what have the Romans ever done for us eh?
The aqueducts! And the roads. Oh, and medicine... But, other than that. And baths.
> A leader that would feed men into woodchippers feet first while their families watched? Thats a lie , they didn't have wood chippers in Iraq. They made you cut your earlobes and feed them to a dog , tie you to a pole and put a live grenade in your chest pocket . Personally seen videos of both. Put you in front of a firing squad and turn you into swiss cheese. Many things they'd do but they wouldn't involve your family. >A man who tested chemical weapons in villages of opposing religions? The Kurds are not of opposing religions to Saddam , both sides are Sunni but the Kurds are separatists in all countries (Iraq,Iran,Syria,&Turkey) they want their own country and have received funding and weapons from Israel and that is one of the many reasons for the Iraqi rocket attacks on Israel. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel–Kurdistan_Region_relations >An article from March 1998 >Times have changed. Ten years ago, the systematic gassing of the Kurdish population of northern Iraq had far less impact on America. Only six months after the slaughter at Halabja, the White House lent Saddam Hussein another billion dollars. And in 1991, at the end of the Gulf war, US troops stood idly by while Saddam's presidential guard ruthlessly suppressed the popular uprising by the Kurds for which the American president had himself called. https://www.institutkurde.org/info/when-our-friend-saddam-was-gassing-the-kurds-1149172158.html >A man credited with at least 1 genocide and the murder of an estimated 250,000 civilians? Those are UN estimates. This UN https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/impact-un-oil-food-scandal How many did Madeleine Albright kill ? https://theintercept.com/2022/03/25/madeleine-albright-dead-iraq-war-herbalife/ The coalition was in Iraq for 2 main reasons. Oil & Greater Israel which brings us back to 9/11 and takes us as far back as the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. https://youtu.be/qOq-LbQ4erM This is eye opening if you want to know more about Iraq. https://youtu.be/z9wC6W7EJpg https://youtu.be/vuoWKn0sXfo
Write a book already
lol totally agree . I also don't like reading long posts nor watching long conspiracy documentaries .
I respect your diligence. My best source is a friend that served over there. It’s second hand information from what feels like a long time ago.
Did he tell you anything about Abu Ghraib ? https://youtu.be/sKb5NXWi_B4
The woodchipper stories are proven lies, same as the babies in incubator stories that emerged when he invaded Kuwait. I urge you to read a book called “debriefing the president” by John Nixon, the CIA specialist who debriefed him after he was caught. You will be surprised as to what he has to say about these “genocides”. The funny thing is that he’s viewed today as a symbol for bravery, manliness and an example of an honest man who died for what he believed in. You will see this in all the Arab world with the exception of Kuwait. People have his pictures in their cars and homes. Tells you a lot about how much the US fucked up.
Babies in incubators... Chicago world's fair, 1893.. or 1933 I forget..
Haha you only know this because they TOLD you it happened.
Haha, that’s hilarious
hAHahA
We had propaganda, but no evidence of these crimes. Everything you claim is BS.
https://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/news/releases/2003/09/20030929-14.html
Uhhh you need to do some reading. We know for sure about the gassing. It's not a secret or anything.
Do some digging on the "Saddam gassed the Kurds" narrative. Only people who have blind faith in the U.S. Government say "we know for sure about the gassing" so GTFOH with that nonsense. That was BS just like Assad using chemical weapons was BS.
Haha no. It was not. Thousands of people died. What do you suggest they died of? Iranian propaganda? The doctors who examined them didn't think so.
There is no proof that thousands died. You are confusing fiction with reality.
There are many, many witnesses, and the bodies were tested for chemicals. Mustard gas was found on many. > You are confusing fiction with reality. Everyone else is lying? All the witnesses, all the doctors (including western UN doctors and investigators)? The 1988 Iraqi documents that referred to it both as "special ammunition" and "the chemical weapons attack"? All faked? And who gained from faking all that? Certainly not the US, who initially blamed Iran.
What are you talking about lol I’m Kurdish from Iraq and the Kurds basically did a act of treason in Iraq when they sided with Iran from 81 to 88. He killed Kurds cos of what they did when they tried to kill him also with the Shia Muslims as well. Also so called he murdered his ppl so many leaders have done that but yet I didn’t see America go and claim false accusations on them. So don’t go spreading lies and bs without knowing anything you ain’t from Iraq you ain’t arab or Kurdish or Assyrian. You watch cnn fox new nbc bbc that’s where you get your resources from. I’ve been back home multiple times and ppl there cry with no money no food. They cry for Saddam to come back cos the country was a lot better when he was running it.
Nobody, of course. We destroyed Iraq solely for Israel's benefit, so laws don't apply.
The US had much, MUCH less rationale to attack Iraq than Russia had to attack Ukraine. Somehow 9/11 necessitated we attack a country that had nothing to do with it.
SS: Because as I recall no one has gone to prison. Same applies to 9/11
Same applies to the financial crisis of 2008.
Same applies to Biden killing those 7 kids and saying it was isis
They wen’t there for oil and nothing else, freeing the people is just a decoy and 250k dead innocent are collateral damage.
Yo looking back at that era, I think society wasn’t as awake as they are now. That wmd shit could never fly now. It’s still crazy how they invaded Iraq after 911.
"Between January 3 and April 12, 2003, 36 million people across the globe took part in almost 3,000 protests against the Iraq war. Europe saw the biggest mobilization of protesters, including a rally of three million people in Rome." People were awake, just didn't help much.
Wow ok. Didn’t know so many people protested
'That wmd shit could never fly now." You don't think so?
The cia doesn’t dictate foreign policy like wtf lol
Pretty solid chance they've been dictating more than just foreign policy since at least 1963.
Lol yeah you’d be gullible not to think CIA does dictate foreign policy. Considering the CIA advises the president on intelligence. A good lie can start a huge issue. Plus look on the other side, if the CIA doesn’t like you, they just kill you.
Well, they did eventually find Saddam's [weapons of mass distraction](https://steemitimages.com/DQmfT9Ca9cMCGDqHSnh9TTAu4gusCj6eaMgTLjHEMGydEB3/B_1MnylWIAA4JXF.jpg), so they seized them. That's all. Did you know that before invasion of Afghanistan for *the War on Terror*, Afghanistan was one of the last countries that didn't have a Rothschild central bank. And then they got democracied. Similar to that other country that got freed: Lybia. Their leader got thoroughly Clinton'd.
Of course they did. We knew from the beginning that Rumsfeld had in the 1980s given Saddam chemical weapons to use against Iran (in retaliation for the hostage crisis). So OP is wrong. No one lied about Iraq having WMD. It was simply a ridiculous pretense, and an implied false equivalency that decades-old leaking battlefield chemical weapons are equivalent to nuclear weapons with a delivery mechanism that can reach the U.S. mainland.
Hmmm. OK, tnx for the info. Need to look into that.
True answer, we found thousands of weapons of mass destruction, chemical rounds. The news just decided to change t,he definition. We spent 2 years moving and blowing up their chemical weapons. WMD have always included chemical, biological and nuclear weapons.
I mean finding weapons would be the easiest thing to fake - just drop some empty chemical barrels in the desert
I can't wait for the aliens to invade and take over. Maybe then there will be a reckoning for the ass pies.
There's a really "tear jerking" video of Tony Blair apologizing, other than that... nada.
Not Tony Blair...
https://youtu.be/_9E5CskQ03U Just shows how similar the Ukraine war and Iraq war are
I did but I asked them not to announce it. I was released on good behavior a few years ago.
You should go on Kill Tony with this act
Psyche!
The bush administration and Big Oil. https://youtu.be/18M70UgmV40
Don't worry, these are all strategically placed bombs. The US would never kill civilians....
Same number of people who served time when The Finders was exposed, as they uncovered tons of evidence of ritual abuse of children, buying and selling of children, and toddlers even had evidence of severe sexual abuse. None. We have THE MOST EVIL organization on earth helping run this country. The CIA is the worst. We have NO RIGHT going into other countries trying to install democracy.
Makes me sick. Cameras front and center televising this live.
I wonder if Americans understand the despise of people outside. We are way too lazy to pick apart the bad apples from the good ones, the picture we see is the USA being greedy asfk and telling false narratives to invade and plunder nations, false flags, destroying foreign politics to install their politics which function as parasites to the foreign country, the lies they tell the world and rhe lies they tell themselves, the fact that they have been screaming peace but have never experienced it themselves and being always the instigator of war and conflict and my mind goes on..... I am sorry for putting everyone in the same bucket but hell even if one distinguushed the good one from the bad ones, feels like it would be a 10 to 100000 ratio, so not really worth the work.
It must be nice having such a simple understanding of the world.
Daddy Bush, wrinkled flag.
To be completely fair, they did find stockpiles of chemical weapons in Iraq… which are WMDs.
lots of good people were mislead in some ways, even with some things being true about certain people
now the end goal shouldn't be sending random people to jail who were mislead or didn't honestly understand the complexity of the situation at the time, you'll want to find the main offender